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If he campaigns in the middle belt hard enough, plus in the south, yeah it would give him the necessary states/numbers.


It's all on him.


a) Sit back and wait until after the election while people die and then do something.


b) Or be bold, do something costly now and make up for it later with double effort.


I don't see GEJ as the hero type, so I'm not getting my hopes up, though.

R.I.P. to all those that died.


I think GEJ needs to forget the political implications and just come down on the Hausa-Fulani with full force.

That, plus scrap that Hausa-Fulani LG in Jos and set things back to how they were.


For all he knows, South + Middle Belt with no "Northern" support might be enough to win it. Forget Sambo.

Justcash:

My point is that there is need to divide Nigeria. Let people choose their destinies. We cannot be tied down because Abokis needs to catch up.
If the South South decides that they want to be on their own, then why not? Igbos won't force them. Same with mid-belt and mid-westerners. But fact remains that we need to have the right to exercise how we want to exist before progress can be experienced.
Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan is visibly Ijaw, yet with some sign of Igbo in him. So, If he has some Igbo blood flowing in him, then he is Igbo too. That is my point. Peter Odili is Igbo, but he is called a South Southerner.
There is need for Nigeria to divide into different parts. Until we do that, there will be no progress. It will continue to be 1 step forward, 50 steps backwards.

I'm not denying that Nigeria would be better if split, nor am I denying that Jonathan is part Igbo.

What you seem not to have put even the least thought into is how it will be split, hence your assumption that Ijaws will go with the defunct Eastern region based on some similarities of culture.

I am advocate of a split, but blind secession is just a costly way to fail.

lol, 990 on the Physics GRE, God help me. That's going to be an uphill climb.


I'll see what I can do. Hopefully I can break 900.

fstranger1:
You want to end up where Einstein started? Is that what you want for yourself?

But seriously, is it true the most physicist end up on Wall street?

I cant remember where I read it from, but it was a surprise to me that there arent that many jobs for these obviously great bunch

lol, no I was just joking about the patent thing


I guess most physicists of a certain kind do end up on Wall street.

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/News/Howard_Burton_Articles/Wall_Street_lures_many_physicists/

"To the objective observer, this looks comical indeed: after all, the last place you might imagine some geeky, otherworldly physicist would be among the robber barons and rapacious tycoons of Wall Street. But, in fact, that's exactly where you should look for wayward scientists, for Wall Street was the single largest employer of theoretical physicists throughout the 1990s.

Mathematics, not surprisingly, is the key. The physicists that were being hired in droves by investment houses throughout the world were engaged for their unique combination of high-level mathematical skills and computational flexibility at a time when mathematical modelling of derivatives and other financial instruments was not as developed as it since became. "




Curiously, this article

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/03/22/the-physicists-killed-wall-street/

claims physicists are actually a burden on wall street. Even more motivation for staying away from finance.


The thing is that condensed matter or atomic, molecular, and optical (AMO) physicists might not be in the same situation as theoretical physicists as far as job prospects. They might get hired by semiconductor companies, IBM, Raytheon, etc.

lol, finance? Never. I'd sooner become a lowly patent examiner. (Like Einstein )

@ SEFAGO thanks for the advice, and biophysics is hot right now, good choice.


@ ekubear

I do love the subject. I might settle for research at a company (fortunately, there are companies that take physics Ph.D's for research) after grad school if I run into a lot of traction, so I do have a kind of back up plan (and then another backup plan after that, but I won't go into it here).

Justcash:
[b]You guys are getting it so wrong. What Igbos, and Easterners in general (Forget the freaking South south nonsense) need is outright separation from Nigeria as a nation. A nation of 50 million people, with less diversity in terms of culture will be easier to manage and control. This is not about resources, it is about having the political will, passion and chance to move a nation forward. The North, East and West are entirely different nations. They are naturally meant to exist on their own. This is why there will never be progress until Nigeria allows nature to take it's course.
Igbo presidency or Ijaw presidency will solve nothing. They are all the same set of politicians that can turn an Aboki dominated army on their people, if there is a protest against them. Look at what is happening in Egypt and compare it to what is happening in Jos. In Egypt, the police and military exercise alot of restraint when dealing with protesters. In Jos, Bornu, Maiduguri etc, the military and police aid their ethnic people to slaughter the Beroms, Igbos and Yorubas like rams. Will an Oduduwa army embark on a slaughtering spree in an Odudwa republic because their countrymen are protesting? Well, I know that a Biafran military will not kill Biafrans for carrying placards in the streets.
Igbos and Ijaws are Easterners (Going by the original arrangement of Nigeria). So, an Ijaw holding power is equal to an Igbo holding power. The simple reason why the Aboki politicians are restless is because their "South-South" Scheme used to divide Eastern Nigeria is working against them now.
Nigeria needs to divide simple and short.
[/b]

1. There are lots of Ijaws in what was the Western region of Nigeria. I think asserting this idea of "Easterners" including Ijaws naturally when they might be a nation all on their own is not entirely accurate or honest. Wouldn't Ijaws in the East still have more in common with Ijaws in the West than they would have in common with other Easterners?

2. The "South- South" scheme seems to have Igbo, not Northern, origins: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-561386.0.html

SEFAGO:
I thought university of Utah was good for medicine? I always considered them very good fo medicine, infact they have a famous hospital. Or is it Brigham Young? You know I was premed, before I decided that medicine was not for me. What was he anyways- a doctor or a biochemist. All the nobels go to biochemists nowadays in chemistry or medicine. Interested to know.

@PhysicsMHD
Who is your friend in the football team? If he is Nigerian I definitely know him. I know like all the Nigerians in the football team during my year though most are igbo. Missed those guys, cool people definitely not Biafra loving or tribalistic at all like Ezeuche. All though they made fun of my nigerian accent they were always ready to play wingman when I hit on girls.

Word, I have done it a couple of times for people on NL. However, I never tell them I did it since it would make them uncomfortable.

He's a nursing student his last name ends with "deji." If you did know him, that would be enough information to go on.

SEFAGO:
There is not that much of a gap between UT Austin and Havard in terms of research. I meant for example do you expect to find a top researcher at the University of Tennessee? No, but you will find some genius researcher at the University of Central Lancaster (hope i spelt that right).

Yeah Cambridge is awesome for physics one of the best. I really would love to work at Cambridge to be honest. Its my dream school to work at.

Apparently, the University of Tennesee has a lot of high rankings, and some standout researchers/alumni


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee

"Research

The total research endowment of the UT Knoxville campus was $127,983,213 for FY 2006. UT Knoxville boasts several faculty who are among the leading contributors to their fields, including Dr. Harry McSween, generally recognized as one of the world's leading experts in the study of meteorites and a member of the science team for Mars Pathfinder and later a co-investigator for the Mars Odyssey and Mars Exploration Rovers projects.[32] The University also hosts Dr. Barry T. Rouse, an international award-winning Distinguished Professor of Microbiology who has conducted multiple NIH-funded studies on the herpes simplex virus (HSV) and who is a leading researcher in his field.[33] UT's agricultural research programs are considered to be among the most accomplished in the nation, and the School of Agricultural Sciences and Natural Resources is home to the East Tennessee Clean Fuels Initiative, recognized by the United States Department of Energy as the "best local clean fuels program in America."[34]. UT Knoxville operates the most powerful US academic supercomputer, Kraken, a National_Institute_for_Computational_Sciences supercomputer hosted on the Oak Ridge National Laboratory campus."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Tennessee_people


I think its a case of the lack of educational/academic prestige of the location (Tennessee) attaching itself to the institution, which undoubtedly has a huge number of non-Tennesee people.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=593966.msg7631920#msg7631920 date=1296366203]How do you get that low in SATs? Dont they give ppl free 200 points for correct name spelling?
Mind if I ask the name of your Uni? Are you currently a grad student?  Just curious where that high score could take one.


Anywaz, thanks to SEFAGO and his blown up mensa ego, the topic has been soooooooo derailed[/quote]Yeah, I know, I was stunned at the scores too. I couldn't find the website where they were complaining again by googling though.

I'm not going to mention my university here, sorry. Privacy thing. Not that many blacks and/or Nigerians in the U.S. go into physics and I already gave away which Nigerian ethnic group I belong to so if I said where I was at, it wouldn't be too hard to search the phys department website, look through research groups and pin me down. Also, not a grad student yet, though I've been active in research. I'm retaking the Physics GRE and then applying this semester. Took it last semester, didn't do as well as I hoped (because its hard as hell.)


Don't blame SEFAGO, I think Sagamite was really at fault there. (ROFL @ comparing Bristol to Cornell)

Beaf:
I hope this crisis spells the end for Dr. Zahi Hawass. That creep is one of the worst showmen and pretenders to be unleashed on the intellectual World.

Lol, please elaborate further on this.

The guy always struck me as a little out of place in all those history shows.

Seems less like an academic and more like a nationalist loudmouth.


I also wonder if he has any Coptic or REAL Egyptian ancestry. The way he always talks about Egypt's ancient achievements in glowing terms and with a kind of pride made me wonder whether he was forgetting that the majority of the present inhabitants have almost no relation to the past achievements except for those with Nubian or black ancestry.

fstranger1:
Impressive!

Thanks.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7631885#msg7631885 date=1296365075]

I was consistently at the 1550+ mark in the summer prep class my HS had that summer. But as sometimes is my nature (and big failing in life), I got overconfident, stopped reviewing, and did poorly.

In retrospect I should have just retaken it. My life would have been better off if I had. But I just assumed that the 1450 would be enough to get me into the schools I wanted to go to, with money

Definitely if I had a time machine, I'd would do things a bit differently.[/quote]Lol, don't worry about it. There were 4 people in my high school AP physics class with 1580, 1570, 1580, and 1560, and I was kind of pissed at being 5th. (we were comparing scores like the obnoxious smartasses we were) I almost wanted to retake it just to see if I couldn't get a 1600 but I came back to my senses after a while.

Then after I entered college I found out that the R & B singer Ryan Leslie got a 1600 and I was angry as hell again (and slightly impressed, kudos to him). Kind of shows how test scores aren't everything. Plenty of people who couldn't get such a score will go on to do more significant things than that guy.

SAT scores don't mean anything after admissions though, research, firsts, entrepreneurship, etc. during and after are what matter. A test is just a test.


[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=593966.msg7631886#msg7631886 date=1296365151]Omo Edo, very impressive!

I guess my 500 score meant nothing.[/quote]Lol, thanks.

lol@ 500, funny. You'd be surprised. Some athletes could actually have such scores. I read one website where somebody was bitching about Rutgers admitting football players with 700ish scores.

SEFAGO:
Surprised though about the Chicago comment. No way in hell though that the student body at UCL is even close to Gtown. Man trust me, I am not making empty claims here, the amount of daft students I have encountered- non-Nigerian sef trumps that at my undergrad. For undergrad I can confidently say Georgetown>UCL. But UCL smashes Georgetown in all measures for research. They are not in the same class though. Georgetown is s/h/i/t for research. I would prefer to go and work in unilag than do a PhD there. However at undergraduate level the students there are better than the kids at UCL. However, thats what those rankings are about- world class research.

Ok, that's a little clearer then, I have a friend who goes to Georgetown who's pretty smart (and on the football team- a rarity), and with an SAT score way higher than 1250, so I wouldn't be surprised at Georgetown's undergrads being brighter.

UCL is elite for the biomedical sciences about the same level as Yale, So is Cambridge- the MRC laboratory is top notch. Manchester is top notch for physics (They have Geim) but its no Princeton. Oxfords great for the humanities. LSE and UCL for economics. Actually I will be honest lots of the researchers there are top notch, its just that they have lots of people are the undergraduate level who are average. Lots of Cancer Institutes in the UK are excellent, well known in their field. I considered going to UCL or Cambridge for graduate school but thought it might be a bad idea.

[b]The interesting thing about the UK is that they have lots of top notch researchers spread out even at non-top universities while in the US everyone is just concentrated at Harvard, Yale e.t.c [/b]Thats how their undergrad system is- they have lots of average kids then you are going to meet very smart ones.

Cambridge is also apparently top notch for physics and math.

@ the bold, I would have to disagree with you VERY strongly here.

Ex: The greatest living (since a lot of the greater ones have died) physicist, apart from maybe Murray Gell-Mann, is Steven Weinberg and he's at UT Austin.  

There are many similar examples I could produce.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7631829#msg7631829 date=1296363617]The Mutallab thing still pisses me off. I know where my 22 year old sister got into and got rejected from with her 1360 SAT score, and I know where I got into, got rejected/waitlisted/didn't get enough scholarship money from with my 1450.

Back in 2001 when I was applying for college, I simply didn't have enough information  

Bleh.[/quote]Hehehe


1530.

Unfortunate the way things turned out, but this is not so much about marginalizing the Igbo as much as it is other groups asserting themselves. If MKO Abiola hadn't won more or less legitimately, the issue of sidelining Ekwueme for a Yoruba would not even have come up. An Ijaw VP and now president is due solely to ND agitation. No conspiracy there.




Perhaps Igbos should agitate in 2015.

Whoops, didn't know University of Chicago was private. Anyways, my point still stands.

Katsumoto:
I am sorry but I miss your point. Why is Sefago in a position to look down on British university graduates? The link you provided does not have Georgetown higher than all British universities. Please elucidate further.

That list is not fully accurate. For example it has Arizona State University, the University of Utah, Indiana State University, and a few others on there that shouldn't be there.

My point is that University College London should not even be considered as prestigious or on the level of University of Chicago yet it is and it should only be considered at or around the level of Georgetown, yet because of its name and because it is the fifth or sixth best university in the whole U.K. it is assumed that it is "better" than somewhere like Georgetown (which is nowhere near the fifth or sixth best university in the U.S.) by a significant margin.


edit:  Actually I would put UCL above Georgetown by a significant margin, but clearly UCL's admissions are kind of lax, so they may be living off past glory.

The failure of Chief Obafemi Awolowo-led South-west to join forces with the centre in the First and Second Republics meant the South-east had an advantage over them.

What does this even mean?


The North is now the center?

If there was any failure, it was Azikiwe's failure to join forces with the Awolowo in the first republic and second republic, both of which would have changed the whole history of Nigeria in unimaginably positive ways.



@ the rest of the post, a decent analysis. It's kind of unfortunate the way things turned out, I would have liked to see an Igbo president 2015, but I think it might be 2019 now.

What we need most is a good administration, regardless of ethnicity, however.

Katsumoto:
I guess you miss my point. Tell me why Sefago should be in a position to look down on students who get into British universities?

He's kind of justified actually.

Look at this

http://www.ulinks.com/topuniversities.htm

It's not entirely accurate on certain positions, in my opinion, but U.K. universities seem to have a prestige attached to them that U.S. universities that are actually better do not seem to have.

Maybe it's all in the name.

If somebody told you he/she went to the University of Illinois or the University of Michigan or University of Chicago or some other public university in the U.S. what would that connote to you or most others?

Probably nothing. But if someone says he attended University College, LONDON , it has an air of prestige to it.

Yet those three universities are just as good or better (in the case of University of Chicago, definitely better).

It would be funny if the whole thing was just off of names.

Wow.  I'm pretty shocked to learn about how easy it is to get into top British universities for undergraduate education. With my scores I could have gone to Cambridge, done the tripos, worn the fancy gown, and got to see all those self-important royal society dons.  




@ SEFAGO, Cambridge is not living off reputation, in my opinion. If anything, Dartmouth that you've mentioned on here is living off Ivy league reputation. Same with Brown University.


I think its all about numbers and the boom in the quality of American scientific research following the European influx (emigres) after WW2.


I mean how many universities at the level of

MIT
Harvard
Caltech
Stanford
UC Berkeley
Princeton
Columbia
University of Chicago
Yale
Cornell
Duke

does ANY country, not just the U.K., have? And yet, with 1 or 2 exceptions, none of these universities had amazing reputations or huge high quality scientific output prior to WW2.


The U.S. may have tougher admissions tests (SAT + ACT), but I think all the concentrations of centers of excellence is due to "luck" (WW2 influx) rather than a tougher system. Otherwise, all the great research centers might still be in continental Europe + U.K.

@ topic, R.I.P., nobody should be killed like that for trying to obtain tolerance for his beliefs/lifestyle. I think gays should have the right to express themselves, although  within certain limits (not making out in front of children, for example).

As per the science thing, I'm not a full advocate of determinist sociobiology, but I suspect natural or inherent revulsion to homosexuality may be due to evolution rather than fear due to closeted homosexuality in the person feeling such revulsion. It's not to the advantage of any larger society or group to have a large number of homosexuals if reproduction is an ideal (which it is) that we have certain genes just to ensure, after all (putting apart the issue of artificial insemination, which shouldn't affect anything).

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=594164.msg7625281#msg7625281 date=1296274830]Eh, given our collective lack of faith in this project called Nigeria, such calculations and considerations seem quite appropriate. Anybody in fact who is not prepared for this possibility is only fooling themselves.

With that said, is this a high probability event? Imo, no. But still necessary to prepare for it. Including making sure that for certain territories, ownership is quite clear.[/quote]Such calculations are not appropriate really. I think the only people who think Lagos is not a Yoruba city are self-deluding nairalanders.

I know a lot of Edos from Lagos and while they consider themselves Lagosians, they don't pretend its not a Yoruba city. If you go to a place and 7 out of every 9 people you see/meet are from one ethnicity, how are you going to claim it is not a city of that ethnic group. Cosmopolitanism has its limits.


http://books.google.com/books?id=XdWJXwp5v_QC&pg=PA98&dq=1954+lagos+western+region&hl=en&ei=3plDTfW2D9T1gAfsosiTAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=1954%20lagos%20western%20region&f=false


^^^^^^

Western region wanted to secede from Nigeria over the issue of Lagos being considered "apart" from or separate from the rest of the West and the only reason Lagos ever was considered as separate was colonial (British) pressure.

If Calabar had remained the capital of Nigeria some people would be making the ridiculous claim that that city belongs to no one as well.

seanet03:
@PHYSICSMD What you dont know dont talk about. When was Lagos independent of Nigeria? I come from the First town in Nigeria to have INDEPENDENCE which we got before anybody in the country, we have our own Anthem and Government as at the 18th century. Lori oke ati Petele, ibe lagbe bi mi o, Ibe lagba to mi dagba o. Ile ominira. Emi omayo lori olumo emi osogo yii lokan mi wipe ilu olokiki o lawa EGBA n gbe. Mayo mayo mayo oo, lori OLUMO Mayo mayo mayo o, lori OLUMO. ABEOKUTA ILU EGBA n o ni gbagbe re, emi osogo yii lokan mi wipe ilu OLOKIKI o LAWA EGBA n gbeeee. Mayo mayo mayo o lori OLUMO OO. I am from ABEOKUTA.

Comprehension problems?

Go back and reread my post.

fstranger1:
^^^

Nassarawa state?

Nah. Go further North.


If alj harem can be Igbo, I officially declare myself 1/16th Fulani starting today.

The Heartbeat of the Nation, Mr. Tribalism.

Nothing wrong with being from the "bush." I don't advocate blind cosmopolitanism just for the sake of cosmopolitanism. Different groups have unique cultures that they should try to preserve and not see muddled into one big boring generic "Nigerian" mix. That said, ethnic chauvinism to the point where you start comparing which group would slaughter which group or crush and maim the other group in the event of a dispute is not really natural or normal, in my opinion.

On the issue of Lagos which generated so much heat on this thread, I think Lagos should always have a southwestern/Yoruba orientation culturally and politically, for historical reasons. Likewise for Kano with respect to the north, or Calabar or other places. These places are historically centers of  distinct cultures. Not like Abuja which was non-existent to the Gwari before oil money built it. Lagos has a history of its own independent of Nigeria and in that history it is a Yoruba city.






By the way, I don't really see myself as a Niger Deltan, though I sympathize with some of their causes. I can't really wear that label when I and my people are not going through what they are experiencing (the exploitation, pollution, etc.).

Wow. This thread got even uglier.


Smh @ the baboon style chest beating on both sides. So provincial.




This senate president position isn't even important.

Akunyili's position is totally justified.


1. However one does have to ask, how many times before this has an Igbo been senate president relative to other groups? From my understanding, they have occupied it far more than any other group. If this is because they worked for it/deserved it, then all the more reason not to worry about the ethnic zoning of that position. It shows that when competent leadership in an area is needed, Nigerians are sometimes able to put away the ethnic glasses and see clearly.

2. How many times has a Yoruba been senate president?

3. If rotation among zones is strictly adhered to, then it will be noted that there are at least 5 distinct zones ("North", "SW", "SE", "SS", "Middle Belt" so rotation among 4 positions (President, VP, Senate President, Speaker) could justifiably exclude any one of those zones at any time. If we are actually to talk about rotation among ethnic groups for the 4 positions, it could be justified more easily still.

4. Are we then to measure all the highest legislative and executive posts and take a tally of which group has held what and for how often? I don't think it will make any difference really. You could just end up with an Igbo or a Yoruba or Ijaw or Efik working as a Hausa houseboy in one of those positions.

5. Is the Senate president elected? Or are they appointed? If elected, once again, I say the Igbos have nothing to worry about, because that would mean they've been selected for that post more than any other group due to mutual respect of their colleagues for those particular Igbo individuals. If appointed, then those senate presidents might just have been political appeasements and leftovers, but even then, if they've been the group to give political concessions to, then that shows they still have far more power/influence than some overly worrisome people might think.

Good news.


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Hail Fashola.

Why are there two ruling houses?


Maybe it has to do with ensuring that there is always an heir.


Otherwise, whichever family was a ruling house first (whichever is oldest) should just be the one ruling and the younger house/family should just quit and settle for a lower title.