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One of the soapstone birds.

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People are quick to blame the government, but the article Wesley80 posted shows that the fake yellow fever card racket is coming from criminals among the Nigerian people.

In all likelihood, the Ghanian authorities were aware of this racket from past experience with fake cards, assumed there would be some fake cards among these Nigerians and they therefore made the entire group (except the pregnant woman) get real vaccinations. Safety and security takes precedence over diplomatic niceties, so I would say they did the right thing.

Is there some kind of African hustle/racket involving yellow fever cards that Nigerians are totally oblivious of?

afam4eva: he didn't ask the question. he was just painting a typical opinion from the Berom people.

I know he put forward the question along with other statements as the supposed position of the Berom people. I said that above. But the point is, even if he didn't put forward the question as representative of his own views, I don't see where he actually answers it. It's not any less of a valid question just because the author believes that it's representative of the Berom point of view.

pleep: Another question: Do women where weaves for themselves or for men?

Themselves. Something about it being "easier to manage" (that's the usual phrase).

I think black women should go back to wearing their hair naturally, personally. But you can't take away a whole area of fashion (straight hairstyles) from women in an age where fashion is such a big deal. If somehow weaves were banned from majority black countries, it would be equivalent to limiting people's choices and freedom.

ROSSIKE: ^^There are two kinds of Africans in this world - Those who are Building up the continent, and those who Moan from morning till night. Keep Moaning.

It's just annoying seeing oases of prosperity and opulence being focused on in places that aren't really developed as a whole.

When one can post pictures of most of the cities and towns in an entire state/province/region in an African country and have them look developed/prosperous, then maybe there will actually be a point to posting all these images.

Many places like those shown in the pictures in this thread are a dime a dozen in the West.

Ironic that some are arguing over which group was sold the most as a roundabout way of arguing about influence.

Wow. Shocking.

This woman (Tonto Dike) may just be the fakest human being ever to live in Africa. The opening post is an awful sight.

shymmex: That's Jamaican food.

Ok. But seeing Southeast Asian and Portuguese food mentioned in a top 5 black cultural foods thread is kind of strange to me.

odumchi: Sorry for the inconvenience. I've revealed your post and you will be unbanned in approximately half an hour.

I apologize once again.

Thanks for the unban.

shymmex: Curry Mutton with veg, and rice & peas = my favourite Jamaican dish..

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Curry?

Isn't that Indian?

SmoothCrim: Not even 10 percent as important as GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!!

lol, whatever. You sound like a shill for Goldline International.

SmoothCrim: http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/IV/416.extract

GOLD!!!!!\

written in 1902!!

Some of the facts are wrong but, one this is indisputable. GOLD GOLD GOLD!!

Already came across it. It only reinforces my point. Gold was in copious amounts only in certain parts of the continent.

SmoothCrim: We are talking about West Africa! Not central!!! GOLD Gold GOLD!!!

Some places thrived with gold and some places in Africa thrived with copper and variations on copper such as brass and bronze. It makes no sense to insist that a place should have been trading heavily in gold when they didn't have it significant amounts in their area. Anyway, copper was considered very important in ancient African cultures, so point made.

SmoothCrim: Have you read this thread. The gold culture of West Africa!!!

What made Mansa Musa loved across the world??

GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gold is not only the culture of Ancient West Africa but, Ancient Africa!!!


Get out of my FACE!!!!

Gold is just one commodity. It may be extra special in some cultures because of what they could get from non-Africans for it, but to others it was not the "essence" of anything.

The entire continent of Africa did not have gold in copious amounts, so this is really a weak argument for defining what the essence of ancient African cultures was.

"As trading links with the
north expanded, so did the demand for ivory. The Crusades stimulated
European interest in gold and ivory, particularly the soft ivory of
Africa. Ivory exports from the central Sudan were apparently maintained:
Leo told of the ruler of Gaoga giving an Egyptian trader
one hundred wonderfully large tusks.
Legends abound concerning gold, and Ghana was known as the
land of gold well before the year 1000. But this strange, gilded garden
lay always to the west of our area. The central Sudan boasted of no
comparable mineral wealth, though it was reported that the Kwararafa
possessed a gold mine. Some gold went north from Bornu - we are
told of several instances in the seventeenth century - but it was described
in terms of curiosity, such as a gilt saddle, or a golden tortoise,
rather than of bulk. Regalia and ornaments - such as the maces of the
chief praise-singers of the mai, horse-trappings, decorations for the head - tended to be of silver rather than gold." - Cambridge History of Africa, Volume 3: From c. 1050 to c. 1600


"While gold was in short supply, copper, relatively abundant in the central Sahara, to some extent took its place. Hornemann, indeed,
about 1800 remarked that copper was for Bornu what gold was for
Timbuktu and Hausaland. Copper has a long history as a metal of
special esteem in black Africa. Probably as early as the mid tenth
century, it was reported in Muslim Spain that in black Africa gold and
copper were exchanged weight for weight. Varieties of copper were
generally recognized, and that of a dark rich red colour was particularly
prized. This may well be the origin of the 'living gold' which the
So are said to have introduced into the central Sudan, a luminous metal
of mysterious qualities, surrounded by myth. In the early eighteenth
century, Labat reported stories on the west coast of Africa of unusual
red copper, a ring of which would give light equal to that of two
candles. Strange properties continued to be associated with copper,
and the practice of wearing a red copper ring for protection against
jinns was one of many pagan accretions later condemned by Muslim
reformers in Hausaland.
The early and widespread use of copper among the So is revealed by
the many bronze ornaments, and the waste and remains of forges, which
survive among other archaeological artifacts; in contrast, no gold
ornament has been found. Tradition among the Kotoko, however, the
most likely modern descendants of the So, is explicit that the Kotoko
themselves have never worked in metal, this being the skill of foreigners.
The earliest reference to copper currency in the central Sudan comes
from the fourteenth century, when al-Maqrlzi reported that cloth,
cowries, and pieces of gold or copper valued in cloth, were all circulating
in the region. A copper weight, the ratl, long continued as a principal
form of currency in Bornu, and even when it ceased to circulate it
continued as a standard accounting device." - Cambridge History of Africa, Volume 3: From c. 1050 to c. 1600

[Note: the "So" referenced above are the Sao.]

I know you're just trolling, and only semi-serious, but this gold argument isn't something sensible enough to be even half serious about.

This thread is way too derailed and it's a bit annoying.

I usually don't care if a topic is derailed if the derailed discussion turns out to be a more interesting topic, but what you guys have been discussing is kind of boring.

You guys should probably start a new thread in the culture or politics section on Francophone African countries and their alleged connection to French puppetry.

TerryCarr: that not gonna get you to America

Africans built boats way bigger than that in later times though.

The Dufuna canoe is a decently sized fishing boat for something from 6000 B.C.

CAMEROONPRIDE: not switching but we have to be real here if the gulf of guinea is in West Africa that's means we are in Africa...same with bakassi what if bakassi belonged to Nigeria you would have said that balkassi is in west africa right? so Cameroon is in west Africa just like nigeria.....and i have to admit that cemac members especially gabon and guinean piss me off

There has to be a transition point or boundary country between the west and the center or the center and the east when looking at the map of Africa with the standard orientation if one is going to divide the continent into regions to begin with.

Cameroon is considered western central Africa, not eastern West Africa. I've read where other Cameroonians have argued about where they should be classified besides just you, but I don't think it really matters when almost everyone else outside of Cameroon considers Cameroon to be Central African.

Hey Cameroonpride, I came across this a while back:

http://www.voanews.com/content/archeological-findings-reveal-central-african-history-125075209/161668.html

Just thought I might mention it.

It mentions ancient iron working by central Africans in what is now Cameroon. I've always held that iron smelting was probably discovered independently from the rest of the world in at least one or a few parts of ancient Africa below the Sahara desert, even if the use of iron in many other parts may have been introduced from north Africa in later times.

Oh yeah, and Cameroon is in the western part of central Africa as far as most people are concerned. I don't see why it's so important to you to leave central Africa and join West Africa. What's the big deal to you about switching geographical classification?

SmoothCrim: Because, Nigeria historically lacked the essence of Ancient West African cultures!!!

Kanem-Bornu? You've heard of it right?

The issue of whether they traded in gold is not so clear cut (different sources make different claims), but they were around as early as some of these other places we're talking about, and were also involved in Sahelian and North African trade.

Somebody should get that kid some shares in Barrick Gold so he can pipe down about gold already and stop derailing.

SmoothCrim: Why are all of you so obsessed with African imperialism in Europe??

It makes it seem like you are desperate to counter European colonialism in Africa by focusing on African imperialism in Europe.

Well the guy that started the "black nobility of ancient Europe" thread may be interested in that. And shymmex may have some partial interest in that. But I don't think many other people (including myself) have shown much interest in that.

This is the wrong premise.

The correct premise is the simple fact that Colonialism, Imperialism and other similar ills are BARBARIC, USELESS and embarrassing history which belongs in the dustbin. Why would anyone apart from a very sick person want to relive that barbarian erahuh

It is embarrassing history, shameful history when a group of Barbarians overrun a place and call it an empire! In the end, learn from history rather than finding joy in others misfortune.

True.

But disputes over land and trade are almost inevitable between expansive cultures/groups, right?

So when one of these groups defeats another group, it's not always mere barbarity. Sometimes it's just one group of warriors besting another group in a fair enough fight over political and territorial supremacy.

I think most people, whether African or non-African, are far more interested in the social complexity and culture of ancient empires than in the details about their conquests.