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http://metmuseum.org/exhibitions/view?exhibitionId=%7b3836826F-B525-4F56-BAC3-DACB71D75B5C%7d&oid=50015023&pg=2&rpp=60&pos=99&ft=*

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I saw these and felt they had to be posted in case other people haven't seen them.

https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ao/web-large/1.38R2_98B.jpg

https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ao/web-large/1.39.BR2_98B.jpg

https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ao/web-large/1.39.AR1_98B.jpg

bokohalal: @PhysicsQED,check out OSARETIN IGHILE'S Oba Ovonramwen. It is a contemporary piece which cannot really be termed 'Benin Art' but it is by extension. It is on display(among other artworks by same artist) at the Skoto Gallery in New York.

I don't live near NY so I won't be able to go but thanks for the information. I looked him up and his work looks unique and creative from the few pieces that I saw, although the materials seem a bit unusual, especially for the piece you mentioned on Oba Ovonramwen. There's probably a very interesting explanation behind his choice of material for each piece though.

@Eko Ile, thanks for the clarification.

So for those who would know, can you guys tell people who it was in the government that actually signed the conmess agreement and with what representative of the doctors? And when it was signed?

Govt never signed CONMESS agreement with doctors, says HOS

Well there goes that whole argument.

ezotik: oba esigie was not a nigerian.

True. Nigerian is a nationality that didn't exist until half a century ago.

Sijo01: Take it or live it.
Oba Esigie was d first 2speak foreign (Portuguese)language in Nigeria, dat was in 1503.

Being dat d portuguese was d first european to visit nigeria n deir first point of call was Benin kingdom.

The claim is probably incorrect, but there's no easy way to disprove it so that's probably why it has been repeated. I suspect that the ancestors of some of the Songhai people in Nigeria might have been familiar with Arabic prior to the 1500s, but there's no direct evidence for that.

Anyway, lol @ this topic.

lmao

"Let us not compound the aberrations of the past with provocations in an era that should propel us towards a belated new Age of Enlightenment."

I like this sentence.

afam4eva: "Ojo" is a different case. We know that Yorubas and Igbos from the Ohafia, Abriba and Arochukwu axis share the name but I don't think they mean the same thing.

Yet you didn't know that some Edo and Igala used it as well until I told you just now in this very sentence and you might have tried to argue about it with me as you did with olisa even after being shown proof. I never claimed that olisa in Igbo and in Yoruba necessarily had the same meaning and don't even care.

So much for 'a different case'.

otokx: They can use dedicated generators to produce electricity as they do to the street lights.

. . .

Una no dey tire? Next we'll hear how 'ojo' is an indicator of ethnic background. Just let it rest.

Not that I care what the 'race' of the Beja is claimed to be @ Pagan, but it seems that most Beja people are dark skinned and wooly/'kinky' haired rather than looking like the ones you posted.

Neither Papabrowne nor Beaf is Igbo. People should look through their past posts and think a bit harder before perpetuating faulty claims. I agree that Papabrowne does seem a bit biased against Yorubas, but that's not somehow synonymous with being Igbo.

@ Gbawe you said

Aside the stupidity of arrogating intellect/economic importance horribly wrongly ("Bendelites" ) and obviously deliberately denying it wrongly also (inane and deliberate failure to mention the Yorubas),

Yes, Papabrowne may be deliberately denying or downplaying Yoruba intellectual or economic achievement, but how do you know he's arrogating such achievement 'horribly wrongly' to so called 'Bendelites'? Or do you know more about 'Bendelites' than him?

manny4life: To add to that, govt will spend tens of million of Naira to pwer the ACs for the bridge, what sense does that make? Or will they have a special generating station to power the ACs?

It's just a terrible idea to focus on this right now. These kinds of things are luxuries which richer countries (the countries the governor visited) can pull off because they don't have too many other areas requiring urgent attention. Air conditioning is great, but this is simply wrong headed.

I just looked up images of Perugia and it is indeed a beautiful city, although I don't know about most beautiful in the world. I hope that someday in my lifetime Nigeria can have multiple cities that have that kind of beauty.

From what Gbawe posted, it seems that much of the motivation for this stuff is for appearances and to be able to proclaim it as the first of its kind in Africa - or at least that seems like part of the motivation for the air conditioned bus stops the government is also planning. Appearances do have some importance - anyone can admit that - but I really think that we're looking at yet another Nigerian state government that doesn't have it's priorities straight since there are more useful projects that could be carried out.

Even if the bridge is between buildings, it does not necessarily have to be enclosed, but if it is very high up, it may be prudent to do so for safety reasons.

But if it does have to be enclosed, it simply does not necessarily need to be air conditioned. If the bridge is connected to two buildings which are themselves at reasonable temperatures due to insulation (to reduce heat transfer) and/or air conditioning, then the bridge will almost certainly be at a significantly lower temperature than outside granted the bridge is not extremely long or the rooms it's connected to are not too small, simply because the bridge will have to reach thermal equilibrium with the adjoining rooms.

Using better materials on the bridge itself to reduce heat transfer - if it must be built and there really are no better projects that are within the state government's power to execute - is also a better idea than wasting any electricity on air conditioners for it.

It's close, sure. But is the top center portion of the hat the same and is there a white version of the ozo hat?

Nri, I really don't know what picture you're talking about where the hat looks like an ozo hat specifically rather than just a red or white hat, but I'd like to see it.

And my point is that those swords were borrowed from the Onitsha monarchy or from Delta Igbos. If you look at old pictures of Igbo kings or images of Igbo regalia/swords you won't see those two swords specifically, let alone see them together - although you'll see differently shaped swords - unless you're talking about Anioma or Onitsha.

And I don't know who first designed which sword exactly but I have a pretty good idea of the path of cultural diffusion of these items within southern Nigeria based on what I've seen so far.

Nri, the hat the Oba of Benin wears on non-ceremonial occasions isn't the ozo hat. I explained this already. Hats with that shape and outline are worn across Africa and the choice of white or red is obviously to match other clothing.

I didn't want to comment on the borrowing of Ada and Eben by this Nri related king from the nearby Onitsha king because I knew all sorts of claims would follow regarding Benin even though there are old pictures of the Nri kings where such swords are conspicuously absent. Let's just say that as direct neighbors we (Edo and Igbo) borrowed from one another and leave it at that.