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PapaBrowne: Benin history, overrated or not, is the most outstanding compilation of historical events in all of Sub-Saharan Africa. While other tribes including the Yorubas were limited to Oral history which is usually replete with folklore,[/b]the Binis documented their history for centuries and all of that is still available for your perusal. A 1000 year history that replete with specific names, actions, locations, events and much more!! [b]You can call it overrated in comparison to others that passed down fables and folklore as evidence of their history.

Papabrowne, apart from this being quite offensive, condescending, and uncalled for, this is simply not true. I encourage you to read about Oyo, Mali, Nupe, Igala, the Sokoto Caliphate, Bornu, Kongo, Ashanti, Kwararafa, and Songhai when you have time in order to get a more realistic perspective.

shymmex: Some idiotic posters are even claiming that ibini empire extended to dahomey, funny clowns.. The bini empire stopped where it's today.. Bini NEVER in their history conquered the IJEBUS - so, how the phuck did they get to Dahomey then?? Did they fly over our heads like the ogisio (or whatever they are called)? Binin history is overrated IMHO.. And the EKo thing is only limited to Lagos Island (EKO) - please other parts of the Island in Lagos were NEVER under Bini.. I'm from EPE and bini people NEVER ruled over waterside Ijebu people.. Bini history is overrated, period.

Look I'm not going to rehash this same argument with you again, but there are contemporary documents from centuries back and oral history and even some art that suggests very strongly that Benin at one time conquered Ijebu, but they were free of Benin's political hold by the mid 17th century. I gave you scholarly sources last time and you obviously looked at none of them. I'm not going to re-argue this since anyone who wants to can read about it from various non-Bini sources.

alj harem: I suppose. The monarchical topic should indeed be a separate one. One of which I am very much interested in because there should be an explanation for the name Oba in the title of the King

A bigger question is why no Edo anywhere had ever heard of an Ooni prior to British colonization but had a very specific title for the king at Ife that could easily morph into 'Ooni' in a place where certain consonants are eliminated by the people, but the title itself is not derivative of a non Edoid word. This is something that still has not been resolved by professional historians. It's funny how people note that the Bini could pronounce numerous Yoruba words but suddenly imagine that they could not pronounce the correct name of the king at Ife at any time without any kind of linguistic argument or analysis for this claim.

Anyway, however many religious and political ties the Edo and Yoruba do share, I still think this topic is misguided.

Alj harem, I never said that I necessarily believed/agreed exactly with Papabrowne's perspective or that of the author of the article he cited, but what I do know is that questions of monarchichal origin are quite separate from the question of the thread so perhaps I should have responded to both him and you.

@ alj harem, 'Erediauwa' is quite distinct from 'Oduduwa'. The Itsekiri version is Erejuwa by the way.

@ alj harem, if we all agree that the Edo monarchy is from Yoruba, rather than Egypt, Sudan, or Mecca, how does that relate to the threadstarter's topic? Any Yoruba ancestry would be from nearly 1000 or more years back and would not be particularly relevant to the ethnic makeup of the group.

ak47mann: well i have seen it my self, you know i dont talk rubbish

That's not exclusive to the Bini.

Not quite clear why there's any friction but it seems to go both ways.

Anthony Enahoro's middle name was Eromosele. I don't know why somebody (alj harem) would just pick a random Yoruba name and claim it was his middle name.

It makes no sense that a thread which is a repeat of Obiagu's is on the front page when Obiagu's thread was itself on the front page.

@ the original poster, if everyone said that the Edo were in fact Yoruba and that 1000% of them saw themselves as Yoruba, what difference would it make? Why do you even care?

I've got stuff to do. I'll check on the thread later and maybe I'll reply if I see something interesting. I told myself I would avoid any more civil war threads so even being on this thread right now discussing the same stuff is a violation of that and I don't like discussing the same stuff over and over and not making any headway.

amosy007: dude i dnt have ur time.. go and mop red sea

But you have time to pretend to be an ethnicity that you're not online? Go fvck yourself.

Igbinosa is specifically a Bini name meaning God is my protector. He came from Lagos to Benin to get the boats. There is no one claiming he was a Midwestern region officer or that he was not directly under Gowon. He was obviously picked to go to the Midwest because of his origin.

Now has it occured to you that if Ejoor did not attempt to get Igbinosa and whoever else was with Igbinosa to come back and did not confront Nwawo and Igboba about an officer he was expecting, then maybe he either a) was not aware of a specific plan to take boats to Bonny in the first place without being informed by Igbinosa who he was prevented from seeing or b) he found out that Igbinosa had been turned back but did not want to alienate the Igbo population or Igbo soldiers of the Midwest and actually see to it that Igbinosa was brought back to take the boats to Bonny because he felt that was not a neutral enough course of action?

Dede1, if I accept that the Escravos group was teeming with tons of young men from every non-Igbo ethnic group in the Midwest save one or two groups that you didn't mention, what exactly is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that? What exactly is the import to you of that?

And since me, you and Omoigui seem to actually agree that Biafra was going to invade the Midwest, boats to Bonny or no boats to Bonny, what exactly is the significance of repeatedly bringing up boats to Bonny? It wasn't even a deciding factor in what would have inevitably happened.

I didn't even notice Dede1's mention of legions and hordes of young men from Isoko storming Escravos in order to build up a brigade. Perhaps it was out of blind patriotism that they did so, but I would at least like to know who these blind patriots were by full name, origin, etc. before I accept that there was a significant Isoko factor in the group at Escravos. The other groups sound more plausible to me as of right now, but I'd be willing to take correction if I could see the list of Isoko soldiers in the Escravos group.

Dede1: This is laughable indeed. For all intent and practical purpose, Ejoor was a mere figure-head in mid-western region during the period Ironsi was declared missing. The military show in mid-western region was ran by army headquarter in Lagos or Lt Col Nwawo with team of Igbo officers posted to Benin City.

But Ejoor was at least in charge of single-handedly procuring boats right? Or who actually procured them and when?

What is even funnier here is the idea of Ejoor alone, as if running a one man show, procuring boats singlehandedly and the omission of precisely where, when, and why he got them.

Lt. Igbinosa came from Lagos to Benin to get boats from Ejoor (and is it not stated why or when he originally procured those boats 'from the Delta' in Omoigui's account! - yet another sloppy and misleading omission from an otherwise good writer) in order to escort them to Bonny (which were his orders and his job, not Ejoor's) and was turned back by Ejoor's (Igbo) subordinate officers, and neither Igbinosa nor Ejoor did anything about this. Yet the one person who supposedly deserves blame or who is not neutral is claimed to be Ejoor. Amazing!

Dede1: Please check with Nigerian army

How? (I'm not being sarcastic. I do in fact want to know the names of the soldiers at Escravos in order to determine the extent of each ethnic group's participation.)

Dede1: In fact, with urging of David Ejoor, Gowon relocated LGO under Adekunle to Escravos to be bloated into a brigade or possible a division.

Where is the evidence that Ejoor urged anybody to do anything? Can you please provide the book, professional article, or newspaper source that supports what you wrote here?

Also, David Ejoor procured the sea-craft LGO needed to launch amphibious operation on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region of July 1967

Do you have a proper source for this claim? Or is this one of those instances where Omoigui suddenly becomes infallible? The same Omoigui that stated quite matter-of-factly that plans to invade the Midwest had already been made before Biafra was declared, not after an assault on Bonny.

Dede1, I know you have a 'database' so can you actually list the names of those soldiers put together at Escravos?

amosy007: GBAM.. am edo and i can never join biafra with all this hates.. That tribe is to treachrous 4 my likening

Will you stop it already and crawl back into the sewer you crawled out of?! We hashed this out already. You are not and have never been Edo you shameless demon.

The fact that you have even one friend is the most surprising statement in this thread.

The page count starts from page 0 not 1 so 0 through 9 is ten pages.

We all know ayanle isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed mentally and so he should be mostly pitied, but I can't help but chuckle a bit at the fact that he didn't realize that he'd won his bet as soon as this thread reached page 9. No doubt the refugee living and anarchy ret@rded his ability to do something as basic as counting.

@ Beaf, Einstein was a very much a 'trained' physicist. His doctoral advisor was this fella:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kleiner

A good example of a self taught, 'untrained' physicist of note is Oliver Heaviside or George Green.

ndu_chucks: @Physics, Can you envision any scenario wherein your people can share a new country with Igbos, in Biafra or some other country? You don't have to answer and I am not here to bait.

Yeah. Why not? They're peaceful, progressive hardworking people like most other Nigerian groups. And my people already share a country with them now and I don't see what would be much different in a new country in terms of inter-ethnic relations. The thing is, whether it's Yorubas (such as in the old western region) or any other group, every group of people is going to want to form an association on their terms and those of the other group(s), not solely on the terms of the other group(s). So there will always be problems if that principle is not adhered to and it would be infinitely simpler for any group to just be on their own.

But my people aren't asking for such an association and neither are Igbos. I'd prefer to either go it alone (who cares if it's a tiny country, at least there'll be peace of mind and no ethnic conflict, disputes or saber-rattling) or go with some of the groups from the old Midwest if Nigeria were to dissolve.

The Midwest had nothing to do with a betrayal of Biafra. End of story.

I honestly don't see how the Ijaws in general 'betrayed' anybody, but I understand why some people would interpret it that way from their perspective.

This is a decent article which shows little bias and sheds some light on that issue for those that intend to discuss it among themselves (I'm not going to get involved, I'm no longer interested in Biafra v Nigeria threads.):

www.codesria.org/IMG/pdf/04_Dahou.pdf

ekt_bear: Regarding 2:
b) We don't know if the few percentage points is significant. I suspect that it is, but I don't know for sure.

Well, apart from literature, I haven't seen any really amazing or significant differences in the academic/intellectual achievement of the top people in different areas for most southern groups - despite the frequent assertions of superiority from this or that group.

Perhaps the different subject areas may be a factor in the small differences in southern states as claimed by that poster Afaukwu in that thread. Not 100% clear cut though.

I think this is the source of the previous statement from Beaf, actually, not the waec thing or the university admission thing:

https://www.nairaland.com/237534/look-who-going-school-nigeria/1#3500137

And if you scroll down a few posts the sunglasses faces that one sees are obviously mutilated 8's caused by the switch to the new forum.

shymmex: Why do you always bring Edo state into everything?

It's about geo-political zones lol.

Edo defender!

Actually, I was commenting on the beaf - ekt bear dispute over which states did best on jamb. Beaf mentioned Edo state, which on previous threads from years back was noted as having one of the highest university admission rates in certain years along with some of the other states he mentioned. I think that either that or the waec thing was what beaf was mistaking for highest jamb scores.

@ ekt bear

1. Well I see why I was confused about columns c, d, and f now. I misread it and had a completely different interpretation, lol. I was way off the mark.
2. I don't think a few percent is significant or i guess i don't see how it really could be and for the northern states there are cultural and economic factors that probably explain why the gap is so large. So I'm not sure we would know what the mean really would be for those states since the students are possibly operating in a less competitive and less challenging environment prior to taking the test.