₦airaland Forum

@ Gbawe, I don't see what the point of an enclosed bridge would be. Are they scared of people throwing stuff from the bridge or are they just scared of birdshit? If it's raining, people can get umbrellas.

And I don't see what the point of an air conditioned bridge would be even if it were enclosed. It's not like they're going to sit around and loiter there. Put some heat reflecting or resistive materials or coatings on the outside of it and it'll be cool enough instead of diverting any of what little electricity is available to excessively cooling a place no one is going to be for any extended period of time.

This is a waste of time and money, period.

onila: 'ching chong' for any asian person they see or talk to

Wtf? Speak for your own family. Nigerians in general aren't racist against Asians, period.

4)People that are self confident and self assured and don't need to rely on reparations to get a job or go to college.

I don't know what insecure jackass wrote this, but I hope he or she one day comes to the realization that putting down other groups of black people, whether explicitly or indirectly, isn't going to make whites or Asians or Arabs or any group view your specific ethnic or national group in a better light or make them think more highly of your people. People like this need to stop shining their teeth and looking for a pat on the head and grow some balls already.

alj harem: With that said, it is quite unfortunate that the ones closer to home (Binis) are in denial. Maybe it has to do with the way Nigeria is who knows. Anyway goodluck to them.

This again? It doesn't matter if the king originates from Yorubaland or if the Binis were ever at Ife. At the end of the day, we're not Yoruba today even if some were, which is doubtful, and we don't want to claim such. End of. Focus on Ewe.

The Ewe are closer to the Fon than the Yorubas by the way, but they're claiming Yorubas pushed them out of their original homeland. I don't see what connection they have to Yoruba other than that and this thread hasn't done much to elaborate on any further connections.

Elaborate nau. . .

Afam, dude, it's no big deal. Let's just forget it. My post backfired and now a mountain is being made of an anthill.

Olu of Isa? Hmmm. . .why am I skeptical? Anyways, interesting explanation though short on details.

I'm pretty sure Olisa is not Edo.

On obasi, I don't think I'm going to get drawn into the same kind of argument in a different form twice in the same thread, so let's just forget that.

Afam4eva,

My point is that the name is not a good indicator of ethnic background, so the ethnic/tribal statements would have to cease. I have no problem with people claiming members of their ethnic group.

bittyend: Is Obasa (changed to obasi by ibos) an ibo name??

I think obasi is Ibibio, not a variant of obasa.

I intended to make the guy ethnically ambiguous by pointing out that his background couldn't be determined from his name, but some people are still dwelling on it. He's a Nigerian. Simple.

Andre Uweh: Thanks Physics.
Do you notice similarities between Nri (Igbo) and Bini cultures here?.

Lol, yeah. Both are fond of beads and white and red clothing.

PAGAN 9JA:
one of them was mine. i dont know why the cowards had to delete that. i was just saying that it is a shame that such a great people have to abandon their religious beliefs for that of the foreigners. .

Ah, I see.

afam4eva: These people might have an Igbo father and a Yoruba mother.

If you read the link I posted, you'd see that a certain Anthony Olisa published a Yoruba riddle book in the 19th century. I doubt that he was of mixed ethnic origin.

There's no evidence of name 'stealing'. And if someone with an even more ethnically ambiguous name achieves something, Nigerians will have to leave off all the ethnic or tribalist statements.

Found a Gbenga Olisa and an Adekunle Olisa. If I kept looking I could probably come across others. Anyway, point made.

@ afam4eva & German, I don't think Olisa is Edo. Here's a Yoruba with the last name below. I have come across others before besides this though.

http://books.google.com/books?id=aO8a3aqA0VkC&pg=PA20&dq=yoruba+olisa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oyXFT7CTJ8ry2QXM4_WrAQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ

Interesting. Very colorful.

What were all those hidden posts?

There are definitely Yorubas with the last name Olisa. There can be no doubt about that. It's no big deal or anything though.

Nri, where did I claim that Igbos bear the name orisa? I'm not sure whether they do, but it's not what I was really focusing on. I was actually just pointing out that orisa can in fact change to olisa or perhaps vice versa, hence the non-exclusivity of the name. In fact oliha can also change to olisa. Find out what 'lenition' and 'fortition' are to linguists and you'd understand my comment better.

As for the real meaning of orisa, that can be debated. But there's no point corrupting this thread to do so, so I don't think I'll discuss it at this time.

Nri, you've heard of the word 'Orisa' before, right?

And you know that r and l sometimes replace one another in words, right?

So what's your beef with my statement? It's just reality.

ACM, let's keep this simple. National matters require agreement between the different units and regional matters do not. Capish?

Andre Uweh: Well done.
I hope Oludashmi and Negro will read this post.
It's a pity that Physics RMD, Bokohalal and Exotic will turn blind eye to this topic because it has nothing to do with Igbo.

lol@ this. This thread was posted or resurrected during the delta bendel thread. I had better things to do and can't respond to every thread about Edo people.

ACM, in that response on the other thread, what is it that you mean by 'the center'?

Are you just engaging in a game of semantics or are you really telling me that you don't understand that the decree requires input from all the regions before virtually anything of significance can be done on a nationwide level?

If you can't even admit that, there's not really any point in us discussing anything further.

@ Beaf, what side of the war did those troops of Ejoor's fight on and were they officially under his command originally? Refresh my memory please because it's not particularly clear to me at the moment what group you're referring to.

I made it clear some pages back that I felt that some of the things Beaf stated could not be accurate even if I agree with his overall perspective. I wasn't interested in focusing solely on what I disagreed with Beaf on in the thread, so I didn't dwell on it or go into detail.

I noticed you mentioned high court and supreme court judges. Do you believe that a single region should be able to appoint a supreme court judge that will be able to judge people from other regions without approval from representatives of the other regions to confirm that the individual is competent, qualified and relatively unbiased? Just wondering.

I'll be back in some hours to read your responses. Later for now.

@ ACM, 'Ejoor's troops' that Beaf for whatever reason called them were not sent to Nsukka. The troops at Okene, Kogi state that were sent to Nsukka were put there and later sent to Nsukka by Gowon. Second, of the few soldiers in the Midwest, they didn't actually retreat. There had been a kind of 'coup' inside the Midwest by Igbo officers and the non-Igbo soldiers didn't fight in any significant number because they had little to fight with.
As for Beaf, he comes from an entirely different world than Enahoro so I doubt very much that he's embarrased. Enahoro was one of Awolowo's sidekicks, Beaf doesn't have a high opinion of Awolowo, Enahoro didn't care for Midwest state creation, Beaf does, etc. Enahoro had no standing whatsoever in the Midwest after 1963 but he was later pardoned by the federal government under Gowon and suddenly he became the leader of the Midwest's politicians? Does that make any sense to you? Beaf does have a point there.
Anyway, honestly speaking, in an ideal world, Enahoro's perspective is factually correct. All of the best nations in all times have had a relatively strong center ( I don't want to derail the thread by bothering to argue this out though). Even the U.S. had to replace the problematic and weak 'Articles of Confederation' with something that would strengthen the center considerably. But we don't live in an ideal world and the peculiarities of each country have to be taken into account.

Pointless. I see that some people already have universities named after them but this trend should stop.
Also, University of Lagos just sounds better. If this trend continues Unversity of Benin will one day become Anthony Enahoro University, Ibadan will become Olusegun Obasanjo university when he dies, Benue State University will become Joseph Tarka University, University of Nigeria will become Chukwuemeka Ojukwu University, University of Port Harcourt will become Adaka Boro University or Saro Wiwa University and Nigerians might even see University of Maiduguri renamed Sani Abacha University if they're not careful. A disappointing choice

ACM please try and actually understand decree 8 and how the structure outlined in it would have transferred over to a civilian government. There was nothing unitary about it, period.

The difference between Aburi and decree 8 is that the former abolished the unitary system, made the federal government heavily/totally dependent on the regions AND effectively divided Nigeria into 4 countries almost fully without properly/explicitly saying so while decree 8 abolished the unitary system, gave several independent powers to the regions while still maintaining one country and made the federal government heavily, if not totally dependent on the different regions.

The truth is that there is no modern country anywhere that practices 'states' rights' to the point of granting states full autonomy. The Americans fought a brutal civil war in the 1860s that quashed such claims in the U.S. but it's unfortunate that Nigeria had to do the same because I don't think standing up for that principle was really worth all those lives.

lol@ the debate over the name Olisa. Multiple Nigerian ethnic groups use Olisa. It's not exclusive to one group or anything. One could be Yoruba from Lagos state and have the name Olisa.

It may be incorrect to call decree 8 a confederation rather than a loose federation but it's absolutely ridiculous to call it unitary. @ ACM, I don't think you understood what the smc represented. When you find out what it was, you should reread the document.

@ mpuma, you brought up the church issue because you don't understand the church issue and you thought you could try to ram it down people's throats as an example of oppression. What do you mean giving a dog a bad name? Those bishops just went there to collect awoof and didn't do jack as far as successfully spreading their religious sect among the population. And when certain people learn how to follow their own rules and guidelines for selecting candidates for positions, and when they stop going to places to sit on their lazy asses and collect awoof, there won't be a problem from my people. Oh yeah, and which chief wrote a letter complaining? And explain in very simple and clear terms how there's any evidence that Osayande's faulty promotions were fueled by tribalism. As far as I can tell those positions are dominated by northerners and he also failed to promote Yorubas and other groups, so why are you whining? There were only 4 Igbo AIGs to begin with when Osayande was doing promotions: http://mobile.saharareporters.com/report/re-retirement-former-igp-abubakar-hafiz-ringim-six-others-more-presidential-actions-including