₦airaland Forum

Oche211:
Even though it's wrong of him to boycott the debate, it has however been proven that no be he who goes to the debate arena dey win the election.
GEJ is a typical example.

Try that in a normal country and see if you'll win. It is only in a God forsaken country like Nigeria that things like this happen. What is funny is after he wins the election, they'll start to complain about poor performance but forget that they forgot to ask question.

Femich18:
They willingly write those things. Most of their prescription are written in Jargons just to avoid self medication. And self medication is totally against the law

Only in Africa/Nigeria.

TrapQueen77:
I met this cute and humble guy & we clicked. It was love at first sight I guess ..each day our love grows & our phones are like on fire all the time when we chat or we call each other.
But our differences separated us twice
I blocked him thinking I can move on with my life without him but I was wrong! Everyday I miss him and been longing for him. I never moved on actually
After many wks I decided to unblocked him and was so surprised one day I got a msg from him on whatsapp asking me why I unblocked him? I told him I can't move on and I miss him so much & I want us to fix it for one more time but he declined & said tat he can't have me anymore & we better off as friends
Although we chat/call everyday & he even told me how much he loves me but every time I asked him if we cud fix our relationship., he will either ignore my question or he will juz say I'm his friend...

Do u think he friendzoned me coz he's already dating someone else or he is juz scared to be in a relationship?

Best to move on. I remember how my first love discharged me a long time ago. I thought i was going to die, or kill someone. Whichever comes first. Now i look back and laugh. Ain't nothing you can throw at the heart that the heart can't take. All it takes is time.

TV01:
So this is the vaunted understanding of individual liberties, freedoms and rights that makes you feel everyone who does not share it resides in the absence of all light .

How does the topic of the OP harm you? Why is incest wrong?
Is individual harm to you the only thing you could come up with? What about a "social cost", which burdens the collective, is that not a consideration ?


Straight to false equivalence, I actually hoped, secretly wanted there to be something more. My bad.

Because I don't feel deviant behaviour should be normalised or taught to children as such, or people forcibly made to consider it morally good and celebrate it - when it it is unequivocally deleterious for society - makes me a terrorist, wanting to kill others

Which belief have I sought to impose? I have taken a well reasoned position that same sex intimacy is at best dysfunctional and should not be normalised. Likewise other forms of deviant sexual behaviour, of which there is a long list. Outside that, how they abuse themselves is down to them.


I clearly stated this behaviour has been at the best on the periphery of all societies throughout all time and you make a statement suggesting I did not know it had been extant since the dawn of time


I should read up? . What has anything that has been said that suggested crusades or an inquisition. Do you consider histrionics a discussion tool?


I should read up?
What was the genesis of the crusades? How many died? The crusades where primarily a defensive reaction to marauding Islamic bloodletting. They were not expansionary be it in an imperial or religious sense. And the bloodletting that continues till this day. There has been a wholesale unabated genocide of Christians in the middle east. Have you the faintest of clues?

And I note your sly support for ISIS. You are the type of terrorist sympathiser the West could do without. Please return home as soon as your visa expires

Was Hitler a Christian. He was a humanist, only such believe in racial supremacy. So, your charter of rights is that everyone is free to do whatever, as to take collective moral positions makes one a terrorist, crusader, or Hitlerian .



Coco has already started to drop her absurdly reductionist one liners which stymie, rather than lend nuance to a discussion.


TV

It is utterly embarrassing that this simple concept of rights, liberties and freedom is so difficult for most people to understand. How hard is this to comprehend? The issue is not whether i approve of homosexuality, incest, etc, but the right of people to do whatever they want as long as it does not harm another person or hinder other peoples rights, or against the law. We cannot all be the same. It is just not possible. We cannot like everyone we see or know. What separates us from Animals is our ability to co exist despite our differences. Who made you judge jury and executioner. Trying to make someone conform to your beliefs has been proven by history to be disastrous. Why is this so difficult to understand for God's sake? Imagine a world where let's say someone like Muhammed had force everyone to be muslim, how would that have worked out for you? How would it have been if the crusaders had made everyone christian? I'm pretty sure you are against it depending on what religion you follow. So, if you are against that, then why would you want to force yours on another person? No one seems to be able to answer that question.

Mindfulness:
Logic is foreign to you.

If people will commit crimes in the absence of law enforcement, what do we need morality for?

A sound level of morality makes people do the right thing even if no punishment is expected. This is what morality and conscience are for.

But the average Nigerian's morality is at the level of a three-year-old: I will do anything if I can do away with it.
Not: I will do what is right because my moral development extends that of a baboon.

And you have the guts to feel morally superior to Westerners.

Ouch. That is absolutely below the belt.

TV01:
Maybe it would help if you could briefly state what this charter of rights and freedoms should contain - at a minimum. And then explain how the sexual behaviour which all societies - until very recently - across all time have universally seen as destructive and immoral, suddenly becomes something that is mainstreamed and forcebly celebrated. What exactly was it that the enlightened who champion this know now, that was hidden from men all this time?

Danke Shoen


TV

You are missing the point. Personally, i believe that sex between two people of the same gender is absolutely disgusting but that is not the issue. The issue is, because i don't like it, does that mean people should not be free to do what they want as long as it does not harm me? Do you know why terrorists do what they do? Because they believe that they are right and you are wrong. Your way of life is abnormal. So, by your logic, since they believe that, then it is ok for them to kill you, right? Just because you believe their way is wrong does not mean you can impose your beliefs on them. And you might want to brush up on your history. Homosexuality has been in existence since the dawn of time. Look up greece, the Roman empire, france, and most arab countries etc. The only reason everyone is so aware of it now is because of the internet. You can't say because you don't like something you can then shackle someone else. This is why Africa is so backwards. There are many people i don't like i work with but i have to work with them and be civil. If we all all acted on our pre dispositions, this planet would be destroyed. Read up on the spanish inquisition and the crusade and you will understand why it is not a good idea to impose your beliefs on other people. What christians did then would make ISIS members look like kindergarten kids today. While you are at it, read up on Hitler and his reasons for killing six million jews. His thought process was no different from yours.

Cc cococandy

dickrider:
Instead of yobo to look for a club he is busy playing politics. When hunger wire am his gold digger wife will flee to the next rich man

He already found a club. It's called the Nigerian economy football club. Who needs to work when you can loot the economy?

5minsmadness:




Oh Lawwwwwwwdddd!

All you have to do is look at your surroundings and environment and ask yourself; is my way of thinking, which is a reflection of how millions of Nigerians think, is it working out for us? You guys are doing the same phucked up thing and thinking the same phucked up way, and are expecting a different outcome. In what planet does that work?

crackhaus:
So I should kill myself on top Nigeria matter, I am not one of those people you send $50 to once every two months...

Smh. You see, i come hear to make fun of you people because of your ignorance. I have no vested interest. You do and you don't care? Wow.

crackhaus:
Obviously, that comment struck a familiar chord...

Yea the Nigerian society is a mess, big deal..
Isn't this part of the reason why you clowns desperately try to detach yourselves? Lol...

How many times a day do you take a bath trying to wash Nigeria off of you?

Big deal? Really? Did he just say "big deal"? His country is all jacked the phuck up and he say's "big deal". Like it is normal for a country to be phucked up. I rest my case. Smh

crackhaus:
I am not one of your struggling family members in Nigeria dude, check your phonebook for their numbers.


I see you've now calmed down tho...

I have CQ today so i am multi tasking. I can handle my duties as well as educate a 12 year old. I mean't it though. You have zero exposure. You are not alone. There are millions like you. Until you grasp the true concept of rights and freedoms you can never understand. Obviously your environment can never afford you the opportunity to understand it. It is like trying to tell someone born and raised in the village that there is a better way of doing things. He would argue with you to death which is why i am not surprised by your responses.

crackhaus:
They've got family in Nigeria begging them for dollars every month, why won't they feel funky....

Millions of Nigerians have the same moral mentality you have. How has that improved yous lives and the society? You guys are one of the most dangerous people on earth. Not only to yourselves, but to the world. Smh.

crackhaus:
You obviously didn't see me coming amigo, a huge tactical blunder on your part.

A simple yes or no answer, but you went into overdrive by adding differentials and unknown vectors.

What a complication you must be.

Oh i saw you coming alright.

1. You are a Nigerian.

2. You are the usual Nairalander.

3. You have zero exposure.

Trust me; I saw you coming. Kinda hard to miss.

Timbuktou:
You must be more exposed, better civilised and probably more enlightened than thise oyibo you met in their country who still despise anything gay. Oya, clap for yourself. If the toleration of gayness is the hallmark of goodness and enlightenment, I refuse to be good or enlightened.

The joke is on you. Everyday, white people in the west are being prosecutex or persecuted for homophobia, many of those who aren't are free from such treatment because they're too scared to speak their minds. You have a looooonnng way to go.

And that is what you and millions of Nigerians do not understand. It is not about what i feel about it. It is about the right of others to live their lives freely and without discrimination. Your argument is the same one a terrorist uses to cause mayhem. Trying to force your belief on others never ends well. Of course we have pockets of people in the U.S who just don't get it, but they are the minority. As long as they don't cause any harm to me or the society, anyone is free to do whatever they like. You talk of what is moral and what is not. As a Nigerian, that is hilarious. Nigerians do not have a clue about morality. If they did, Nigeria would not be the decay it is today. Look around you. You have to be high to do the things most Nigerians do. Nigerians are the most corrupt and bitter people one earth and yet you have the nerve to pass judgement on others. How does that work?

crackhaus:
He says I'm the one dancing in circles...lol.

PIIMP, do you know any Nigerian who is gay and was born before the 80s?

Your answer will not prove to me they don't exist, it will only prove to you that you know none.


Who be this one again?

Do you even listen to what you are saying? It's like trying to a educate a five year old. Smh.

crackhaus:
And what education do you assume I have?

You are just another loony with no sense whatsoever...you're meeting me here for the first time and already assuming where I got educated, you must be an airhead.
Do I seem like a member of your extended family domiciled in one village somewhere?

I asked a question, you and Mindfulness still haven't answered and you keep dodging by talking about death sentence and stigma.

How many people born before the 80s do you know personally? Who said you should ask them anything?

You are dancing around in circles. You cannot ask a question like that when the people and environment is backwards societally and mentally. Who would you ask in the 80's? Who would agree to being gay in those days when you could be killed for it? Put yourself in that position ask yourself the same question. Do you know any gay people? If not, does that mean because you don't they don't exist? Even a 12 year old wouldn't have this kind of thought process.

crackhaus:
See me see this nigga..

I asked a question...instead of you to provide an answer if you can help it, you're busy telling us the question doesn't make sense.

How many Nigerians born before the 80s do you know personally as being gay?
Simple question, simple answer.

This is how you go about a research.

I'm pretty sure you have some sort of education. That is if we can call what Nigeria provides an education. I already answered your question. Didn't you read what i wrote? How do you get people to open up positively to an issue when there is a death sentence or social stigma attached to the response you give. Plus, this is Nigeria we are talking about. You guys don't know how many people live in a given street not to talk of a state, so how can you get an accurate measure of anything? I hope my post is not too complicated for you to understand?

crackhaus:
Do you know the difference between a statement and a question?

It is a question, you can either choose to answer it truthfully by forming a statistic from your personal experiences or you leave it be.

Ok. Your bold statement question makes no sense. What research are you basing your question on? Even if there was some sort of research, who would admit to something that could earn you a death sentence? When fear is predominant in a society, you will never achieve accuracy or the truth.

cococandy:
Well I've lived in Nigeria all my life. Born and raised until very recently. And I don't agree with the mainstream opinions on many issues. So maybe that's not the problem.


@bold is what really pisses me off. Like we are in some sort of childish competition with other countries (I.e the west). Your house is burning and you're gloating over your neighbor's house with the leaky roof. Pfft.

I know for a fact that western countries do a better job protecting their children than we do. They don't kill them for being witches, marry them off at 11 or send off to labor in exchange for meals and basic education. I've even seen where molested children are blamed for it. With the common saying that children of nowadays are more exposed than before. Thereby implying that it's okay to sleep with underage children because they asked for it. So many appalling things that shouldn't happen to any kid alive happens to kids in Nigeria frequently and someone is here mentioning me over possible legalized pedophilia in the western future. Meanwhile it's already legal in his country.

5mins pls let this be the last time you mention me over this issue. It's annoying honestly.

If i understand you correctly, you mean while in Nigeria, your views on gay relationships was amiable? If that is the case, then you are a better person than I. It took some serious reorientation in the true meaning of freedom and rights for me to really understand. This is why i understand how they think because i used to think like that. You must have come from a well groomed environment which affected your mentality. The vast majority of Nigerians, because of societal upbringing and norms have serious issues they are not aware of. I wasn't aware of it till i was exposed to something better.

crackhaus:
I told Tim earlier the reason I called you on this thread was to see how you would twist and turn as usual, and you've finally outdone yourself while at the same time embarrassed yourself.

You did no research, all you did was go into google to type something like history of homosexuality in Africa to come up with this...deny it!

You didn't even realize that Nigeria was not mentioned once in the article, did you?
Or did the writer not have enough information?

Again I ask, how many people were born gay in Nigeria before the 80s?
No meanders, no dancing....just give me a statistic of what you might think.

Your bold statement makes no sense. What research are you basing your question on? Even if there was some sort of research, who would admit to something that could earn you a death sentence? When fear is predominant in a society, you will never achieve accuracy or the truth.

cococandy:
Pls stop mentioning me when you're typing senseless comments.

Instead of worrying about future pedophilia in the west , why not focus on its presence in your own country? Alive and kicking and happening every second.

Crying more than the bereaved. Are we?

I swear most Nigerians are ridiculous. (Including you) Is the focus on the west supposed to relieve you of the bad feelings that come with the horrible things that happen in your own country? Where humans are burned alive on the streets and unprintable things are done by those who have a little power over others. Like girls being stripped and flogged on video by men.

Why are you (and indeed many Nigerians) addicted to masturbating over whatever you perceive to be bad news coming out of 'the west'. When you have a millions of it living with you and you're existing just fine.
It's a trend but I don't know what to call. Like some hidden way to gloat over a country to make you feel better about yours. When you should be doing is working on your own country so that you have genuine reason to feel better about it.

Cc pippimp. See the west bashing thing I was telling you about. This section is like hub of it.

Believe it or not, i completely understand the way 5minsmadness is thinking because i used to think like that. Nigerians have a level of ignorance and bitterness unparalleled. Back in Nigeria, i thought my way of thinking was normal and everyone else was crazy. I never took the time to consider that if my way was normal and i had other like minded people thinking the same way, then my surroundings would be fine. I mean, i was thinking like a normal human being right? The economy would be fine, people wouldn't be burned in the streets on a daily basis, there wouldn't be trash littering every nook and cranny, policemen wouldn't be standing confidently in public collecting bribe like that was there job, etc. Nigerians don't want to understand that every country has issues and it is the magnitude and frequency of the issues that matters. What also matters is how you manage it as a people. Nigerians don't have a clue what their issues are or how to go about solving them but are quick to point out the perceived fault in others. They are a true example of the saying, "misery likes company". Since they are so depressed and unhappy, they are always on the lookout for the worst news to come of countries like the U.S.A, so they can say "ehen, i talk am. See wetin dem don do too". People like him don't understand that the solution to their problem is exposure. Once they can have access to it, their perception will change. The problem is just how does one get them exposed.

richidinho:
There is artisan Association which has chairman and secretary so they can monitor it because if they do not deliver on this none will come their way again.
Brother that is governance, stop hating

You guys deserve to suffer. Until you learn to do things the way normal people do things, this societal outcome will always be your outcome.

He'd better start negotiating. Nigerians are not worth fighting for. Go ask Abiola.

Quakertellicus1:
Well...this is the season of savings....so if the local artisan can do a better job than the big company at a lower price....better hire the local artisan

PLus,.....it might benefit the local economy

I am not a Fayose fan....I don't like him or his party....but there is some logic to this decision.

There is no logic to it. There is a reason you outsource through certain agencies. Who will monitor it? Government? We all know how efficient government is right? You are just wasting money if you do things like this because you will eventually spend double by hiring someone else to fix the problem that will arise.

madridguy:
I'm with GEJ on this one.

Youth must take over.

It's not about the youth or old age. It is about the mentality in Nigeria. There is something wrong with Nigerian mentally. Fayose began his political ambition as a youth but what do we have as performance from him? No one young or old is fit to lead Nigeria until you all change your mentality and the way you do business. The corruptive mentality in Nigeria has seeped through all age groups and levels in Nigeria. This needs to be cleansed first in order to proceed forward.

Drabeey:
Why are we so gullible and unrepentant in Nigeria?
The last news was how some idiots killed a dolphin its Now a shark.

The fact that this are animals that are supposed to be conserved, that fish is poisonous.
We keep shouting that Nigeria ecinimy is in comatose, that the country is collapsing, but we all keep doing things that are not expected of a human beign.
We cant manage surplus, we cant even manage normal income without surplusm and now we are eating what we are supposed to leave for the incoming generations to see.
Why are we so primitive sef?
Ha! Hmmm!


Drabeey Was Here

Guy, stop that nonsense. We don't like people who use common sense here.

adegeye38:
Like father, like daughter morals in the state is nonexistent.

Nigerians don't understand the meaning of morals. If they did, Nigeria would not be the decay it is today. Look around you. Nigerians mostly don't smoke pot but they act more abnormally than people that do. You have to be high to do the things most Nigerians do. Remember, the man in the picture is the president of the most powerful country in the world. What does that tell you? The fact that you don't don't smoke pot does not mean you will amount to anything in life.

mercichoco:
What of d adultrous wife?

Southwesterners always tempting people to commit crimes

So what of her? This might sound strange to you, but adultery is not a crime. If a man is s.tupid enough to commit murder because of infidelity, then he deserves whatever punishment comes after.

otokx:
So after building road and drainage for the citizens who decide to throw their garbage in the gutters; it is now the job of the same government to come and clear the drainage?

Nigerians and their entitlement mentality.

Your problem is exposure. And that is the problem of millions of Nigerians. You guys just don't understand what your responsibilities are or what is expected of you. Thank your stars you crossed paths with me today. I will educate you. First, the government in normal countries, keyword here is "normal", will provide the drainage. This will also include maintaining it. They pay for it by taxing the citizens the drainage is meant for. They also ensure that they monitor it's use constantly. It is normal that people will throw trash in them because every single person, in every single country does that. It is expected. They help control it, with the help of the L.G, by ensuring they punish people who throw trash or build structures on it. In Germany, fines for throwing trash around go as high as one thousand Euro. In Nigeria's case, because of people like you who don't understand how things are done, you expect magic when it comes to maintenance. It doesn't work that way.

Cc cococandy. We need to be educating these people constantly. They just don't know how things are done. God help them.

otokx:
Is it commissioner of works that will come and clear the drainage?

It is his job.

splenzard:
it was inevitable because we didn't value what we had we rather had ourselves believing in promises that were too good to be true.

Come 2019, I would rather vote KOWA than make the same mistake twice

What you had? You mean you value incompetence and corruption? Ok. Got it. Carry on.

Nigerians are truly dirty people.