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Hate or love us, the real love is with the men. Slawormir: |
If he did it, I really hope a thorough and transparent investigation will be conducted this time around. Nigeria needs a poster child of punishment for rape. It is soooo soooo scary to think that it is this widespread. And I believe the reason why it is this much is because no one is getting punished, and in few cases where the victim manage to bravely speak up it is often submerged under the silly cultural practice of accepting a 'sorry' and perhaps some few coins as sufficient reparation. No more sorry-s. No more apologies. We need the criminals removed permanently from amidst us. Amotolongbo: |
Nigerians and too much turenchi for a matter so simple. No wonder we have never moved forward as a society. Bring a societal problem up for debate and all you see is frantic exchange of blames... Yorubas are the problem... No, it is the Igbos... Oh no, it is the Hausas.... Come of it, it's Lord Luggard... Actually it is the Devil... In this thread some have managed to make it a blame game. Some have turned it into a moral discussion, some have deceitfully preached their religion by it. When we are speaking of the person who directly bears the biological consequences (100%), some even said the responsibility for the woman's biologically ordained vulnerability to the debilitating effect of pregnancy (planned or unplanned) must be equally shared by both men and women. Funny. Those of you who have been pregnant (and perhaps aborted) and those who will be, I am sure you can provide us with the insight of how >the morning sickness, >the health challenges, >the miscarriage scare or even the miscarriage, >the psychological trauma of getting pregnant when you don't want it, >the psychological and neurosomatic trauma of going through D&C/drug-induced abortion, >those of you that had to fvck a quack before procuring abortion, >those that suffer complications of post- infections, uterine rupture or those who have had their entire uterus removed, >those who have lost subsequent marriages as a result of this information coming out, >those who have lost their lives either procuring an abortion or while legitimately giving birth to their babies (planned or unplanned), >those who have lost jobs and productive work hours because of pregnancy, >those who have lost opportunities including schooling >those whose careers have ended because of pregnancy and raising the babies, >those who have to breastfeed and all.... perhaps you should explain to us how men share directly in any of these. Yes, you will educate the men to be responsible which is the ideal scenario, but then in reality with or without education men will want to fvck. Yes, we will educate the women to be responsible, which is also the ideal case, but in reality education or not women will want to fvck. And when that happens who is directly at risk with respect to pregnancy? If you like argue blindly, but no amount of the twisted erudition shown by some of you trying too hard to make men sure in this peculiar liability will suddenly make men develop a womb. Those of you who also live abroad will understand that it is mostly the ladies that is eventually responsible for her own body. The best you will get from a man is financial and emotional support, neither of which will reduce the biological burden that belongs to women. If you are tired using English grammar to argue with that, you can try Chinese or even Arabic, the womb inside a woman and her peculiar hormonal profiles will make you understand that you simply don't argue nature away... And next time you're pregnant, remember to share all the pain with the man, along with the responsibilities and the blames. Take it or leave it, the woman bears directly 100% the biological consequences of pregnancy and abortion. For this reason she must take ownership of her body. She must decide if and when she wants to get pregnant. And this alone puts the responsibility on her to tell a man to either use a condom or fvck off....even when she wants the sex. |
On a lighter note bukatyne deserves to be given an award today. Your contributions have been indeed very insightful. bukatyne: |
Here mrfranky: sassysure: |
Spot on! sassysure: |
I believe this is an open discussion regardless of what you had perceived the intention of the Op (me) to be. And there's nothing stopping you from including men in the topic of prevention. You should notice that I wrote that exclusively from the point of view of a lady (from another thread) so readily agreeing to abort (severally) for an irresponsible man who preferred to have unprotected sex with her. That was my alarm. And yes, I have seen several such cases that had ended badly for the woman. I cannot begin to count how many women (married and single) that I had had this discussion with trying to educate them that their body belonged to them and not some irresponsible men whose only concern is having sex raw. You would ask me why it wasn't men I was so educating. That's simply because once pregnancy happens you almost never find men accompanying their women in search of solution (whatever we might want to describe as solution). And yes, I had worked for years in this area in Nigeria. Kindly ask anyone in the health sector in Nigeria who deal with such cases and try asking them to include men in blame sharing and topic of prevention... You will immediately realize how impossible that is, because even in marriage too many men are so irresponsible that they refuse to accompany their women to antenatal care... That is the reality in a lot of cases in Nigeria. And apologies to men and women who have functional relationship where the man is on top of his game. This post is not about such exceptions. So, yes, men should be included in the topic of prevention except that will still not change the fact that women should take ownership of their bodies. cococandy: |
Actually it was that other thread that you alluded to that made me start this. After reading that the lady had aborted severally for that irresponsible man (irresponsible even at 29) I kept wondering what she would have gained if any of the abortion had gone the wrong way. And to think that a woman would so submit her body to be toiled with at will to a man never ceases to surprise. I think we have established the fact that men having unprotected sex when we are not ready to be father is irresponsible and we have courts and social instruments to make the man own his responsibility in such a situation... Even then there are men who are unable to stand up to their bukata in such situation. Take that other post for instance, getting pregnant for a man who cannot even fend for himself, the shame of a man who still lives on his father's hand-outs, must be a nasty experience for a mother-to-be. But then all that will not remove the fact that the morbidity and mortality associated with getting pregnant (planned or not) belongs exclusively to a woman, and because of that alone the woman should have the final say when it comes to getting pregnant (planned or not). bukatyne: |
I agree with you 100%. Abstinence is the most effective contraception but if we are being realistic we will also recognize that different people for various reasons will not be interested in abstinence, and neither can we force others (men and women alike) to abide by abstinence... But should others feel the need to have sex, then I think the woman should have the freedom and the exclusive right to decide if she is indeed willing to expose her body to implications of pregnancy. Even in marriage. Sixfeetbelle: |
You would be surprised how many married men and women procure abortions every year in the country. That some men and women are married doesn't automatically mean they have special access to good sense with respect to unplanned pregnancies. And it is always the same story of the man not wanting to use condom while at the same time not discussing contraceptive options with the wife. For those that are interested in blaming men, yes such men though married are irresponsible and I offer no apologies for saying that. What amazes me every single time is meeting individuals engaging in unprotected sex and claiming the ensuing pregnancy to be an accident, a mistake. For those interested in interpreting the initial post beyond the intention to draw out a debate that emphasizes the fact that the woman is 100% the owner of her body and should determine whether and when she gets pregnant, I have no need to sate your desire to turn this into a men-vs-women thing. You can continue, which is the beauty of this forum. Yes, married men and women are highly involved in unwanted pregnancies and both the pregnancies and/or the abortion directly affects the woman more than the man. It is simple biology. I am going to quote a research publication by the Guttmacher Institute that touches the matter here: "An estimated 1.25 million induced abortions occurred in Nigeria in 2012, equivalent to a rate of 33 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–49. The estimated unintended pregnancy rate was 59 per 1,000 women aged 15–49. Fifty-six percent of unintended pregnancies were resolved by abortion. About 212,000 women were treated for complications of unsafe abortion, representing a treatment rate of 5.6 per 1,000 women of reproductive age, and an additional 285,000 experienced serious health consequences but did not receive the treatment they needed. Levels of unintended pregnancy and unsafe abortion continue to be high in Nigeria. Improvements in access to contraceptive services and in the provision of safe abortion and postabortion care services (as permitted by law) may help reduce maternal morbidity and mortality." Reference: International Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2015, 41(4):170–181, doi:10.1363/4117015 Notice that it says maternal morbidity and mortality. Not paternal. Neither does it talk about who is to blame. The morbidity burden and the mortality burden of unplanned pregnancies are qualified with a gender-specific adjective maternal. I am not sure that the right approach to discuss this matter is by inviting men to share the blame (yes, they have a large portion of that already), but by recognizing that the woman suffers those two burdens exclusively and to recognize that they should own their bodies 100%. Even in marriage. Unnerve: |
I am sure you would agree that contraception reduces the risk of unwanted pregnancies. And no one has the right or power to insist on how a woman's sexuality. Sexual expression will always remain the right of every woman (or man) and it is really scary when we start speaking of insisting on another person's right, even if you're the person's pastor/imam. Only the woman involved should have that right to so insist. Lastly, we cannot say that since contraception doesn't completely remove the risk of unwanted pregnancy that we should avoid it in favor of unprotected sex. Sixfeetbelle: |
It is amazing how you managed to give the discussion a moral hue. ![]() Also expanding the consequences of abortion from the immediate effect on the person who got pregnant to secondary and tertiary effects on the society... Yes your points are valid here and without invalidating what primary consequences are on the woman (abortion/unwanted pregnancy). Even with respect to wanted/planned pregnancy the woman carries personal risks that no sophisticated arguments will lessen. liberalchick: |
Misogynistic indeed... you're finally giving vent to your personal hatred of me. But then you have been noticed. You can not return to where ever you emerged from until next time there's another opportunity to post without sense. kneehighbootz: |
I have always been impressed which how practical and wise you are in your comments. May your wisdom continue. I am a man, and I know 100% that many men are irresponsible and all they are interested in is satisfying their sexual appetite. In fact they will promise heaven and earth just to get the tip in raw and discharge raw. As long as a woman consents to allowing that then it's not a crime even though we can to apportion blame. But in reality the woman suffers more, in fact almost exclusively. And because of that alone a woman needs to be "selfish" like you have rightly pointed out. I can not count the number of ladies I have come across in Nigeria whose reason for getting unwanted pregnancy is simple because their men don't like to use condom. I am always always enraged whenever I hear this. And I always ask them why exactly they refused to make the use of condom the minimum requirement for sex... Ladies need to be selfish! 100% selfish. This is not even about preaching abstinence, but safe sex. pocohantas: |
Wisdom and good sense is really difficult for the simple. Some only want the psychological victory/validation that comes from pushing the blame to men, while they conveniently ignore who suffers the real consequence. Thanks for capturing it so perfectly. JONNYSPUTE: |
That's just sad. But then many of us have different similar examples. sassysure: |
Spot on! And it is a systemic failure of parenting in Nigeria. My parents NEVER for once even mistakenly instructed me about sex, apart from warning me about getting a girl pregnant. I think as a country we have to start discussing these issues openly. Some of us that are busy turning this into a gender blame trade really needs to get acquainted with the number of lives being lost to covertly procured abortion...I offer no personal opinion about the legality of abortion, except that I believe a woman owns her body and should own the responsibility of what happens with it. liberalchick: |
Thanks a lot for your insightful contribution. I believe it would be helpful if you start a discussion on various options available to women on this platform. Will you consider doing it please? sassysure: |
Perhaps you're already knocked up and your painment is currently unbearable. Next time don't just fling your thighs open anyhow at sound of candy, coins and chin-chin. While you're at it, also stop transferring your painment to me. I'm not responsible for your misery Rapidcunt97. Find other people to bite today. ![]() SweetCunt97: |
God will bless you Sir! That is my point. Unfortunately and as expected some people like to seize the opportunity to trade blames and attack men. I have seen and heard so many heart-rending cases involving abortion and unwanted pregnancies...In all of these cases the women were the ones who bear the full brunt! In all of the cases. A woman owns her body. Whether you're a random lady, girlfriend, or wife. The woman owns her body 100% and should exert the right to protect it. That right will definitely include insisting on protection before/during/after sex. This obviously excludes ladies who try to tie men down by getting pregnant...and I have no pity for such sill.y men so tied down. Justbehave: |
That is correct. A man should take responsibility....unfortunately several chop-and-go men litter our country. Tonymegabush1: |
I agree 100% with your points. 100%. This is the more reason why we should do something about the cultural restriction in Nigeria. Our women should have complete ownership of their bodies, whether to be pregnant or not. Both abortion and pregnancy take direct toll on a woman's body and that decision should never be up to a man who might have zero participation in the ensuing consequences. Yes our women may be culturally restricted from openly procuring contraception, but a woman can insist that the man who wants to have sex with her uses protection. If he is not willing, then he should zip up. The message is clear, she is interested in having sex with him but she is insisting on him doing it responsibly. missjo: |
Both are to blame? Definitely. 100% But who bears the consequences? The woman. Your story just perfectly illustrated the point. If she had damaged her womb she would have lived with it for the rest of her life. At the same time it is a reckless man who has unprotected sex with a woman when he is not ready to be a father. Few years ago I was home visiting and this long time female friend who heard that I was around decided to visit me at the hotel where I was lodged. She arrived when I was down in the hotel's conference room holding an important business meeting with some people. I had told her over the phone about the meeting that it would take long and we would be finishing later in the evening, that she probably should wait for my next visit to the country. She said no, that she wouldn't mind sleeping over. She came over, was taken to my room and she waited till I was done. Later that night after every every, the water started getting warm and the steam rising, the cloths falling to the ground, the bodies touching, the lungs expanding, the muscles tightening.... all the sherenren...time to dig in, I removed condom, tore it and was about wearing it... then this babe held my hand and said No. That she wanted it raw. Wanted to feel everything... Shooooo! A babe I hadn't seen in more than 2 years! Shooo! Too much discussion would kill the vibe, but i had to tell I never have sex without condom...She asked if I didn't trust her. Emotional blackmail. I said it's not about trust.... Accused me of rejecting her ...blah blah blah.... To cut the story short, we didn't have sex that night. If I had allowed myself to be cajoled I am 100% certain it would have ended in tears. donbachi: |
I think it boils down to the basics, if the man is not 100% in support of pregnancy then the two of you must discuss and stick to an effective contraception method. The point of the post is that whatever the story surrounding abortion it is the woman that bears 100% liability. Tonymegabush1: |
Omoge, your ability to export your failing to men is legendary. Let's take the premise you painted... 1.) community pricks refusing to wear condoms: I would say this is common to reckless men with nothing to lose. Absolutely NOTHING to lose. But as a babe you have everything to lose. Absolutely EVERYTHING to lose. The man gains a few minutes (or even seconds) of orgasmic eruption from kpanshing raw. You the babe might NOT even gain the tiniest cum, while you are about to lose everything. That makes him the explorer and you the explored. Interestingly the water-well be explored belongs exclusively to you. In fact, you own both the well field and the water-well. Yet you refuse to mount guards and security around your field and water-well. And when the explorer approaches you, asking you to open your water-well that he wants a dip. Perhaps he offers you a candy or some lousy chinchin. So you open up and he dips, farts, and poops inside your well, and he leaves. You smell the fart and feel the poop but yet you refuse to do anything about it. And few weeks after you have disease break out you start accusing the explorer... or explorers depending on how generous you are towards explorers. Your well belongs to you. Lock up. If he must dip there must be protection. This should be no rocket science.... Men that have a lot to lose will never take the risk in the first place. Or perhaps, you try to use the well to trap the explorer. 2) who engage in the act of stealthing: if by this you allude to a criminal act then you are absolutely right, even though you seem a little too shy to call it rape. The perpetrator should not live in the society of men, should either be jailed or sho.t. That said, the woman still holds the responsibility to safeguard her health even in such situation. There is such thing called emergency contraception which may work for up to 3 days after unprotected sex. Point 1 or 2, it takes an irresponsible woman to get unwanted pregnancy. Of course this excludes marriage/relationship gone sour. MoodyQueen: |
I would think it means women are irresponsible or worse... Do men own your v-jay or your body? Who asked them to risk their lives 'necessarily'? Stop deflecting. Ladies need to take more responsibility with their own body/health/life with respect to senseless and unplanned pregnancy. The fact that the abortion is usually procured in secret means the women bear all the negative consequences also. If she gets infection, ruptured womb or loses her life, she bears all consequences 100% while the men you branded 'not reliable' work free. But why not, blame men again even for an irresponsibility clearly yours. lalanice: |
This is one-sided story. For all we know you were the one who messed up in the first place that made her dump your sorry ass.... Not accusing you in advance, just saying you left too many aspects of your story out. Provide more details and our able panel of Nairaland judges will come to your aid. Also include your age. There's a particular age when the players are highly impressionable and also likely to think that the love of a man/woman is the whole essence of their lives. If age is your challenge, our expert advice will be to ask you to wait few more years and allow experience to properly bake your perception to maturity. Says the Oracle. Samlix2f: |
What exactly is the reason why Nigerian women are so much in love with abortion? It is so rampant that you get tempted to categorize abortion as another method of contraception. The funny thing is that most of these ladies involved are religious individuals... What exactly is going on? And they always claim it is a mistake. There is no accident in having sex. You don't walk on the streets and suddenly slip and fall on a ready-to-fire di.ck. There's always a process involved in sex. Make no mistake, this is 100% about women, in case some start feeling the need to balance the gender here. If you're a single mother because of this-kind of mistake, then what a shame. Abortion and single-motherhood should never be a replacement for good sense. Says the Oracle. |
Don't mind the guy jare. Countless so-called Christians/Muslims have died just like everyone else, and these deluded religious people still somehow manage to believe that they have the answer to life's questions. Y'all go through all of life's ups and downs, and are as corrupt as everyone else (in fact more hypocritical and more wicked than so-called unbelievers)... and yet they still think they have the moral right to tell people how to live their lives. I have been treated better by non-religious people than I have been by religious people. Every single time that I suffer wickedness from the hands of people, a Christian or a Muslim is always behind it. BotherMleeper: |
Until some of you find out after death that there's no heaven. And that the only heaven was this Earth you already through ignorance and self-righteousness spoiled.... Always resist the urge to throw your faith in other people's faces. Righteousness89: |
It never ceases to amaze me why human beings kill and are ready to kill because of some imagined deities, some Allah that most likely doesn't even exist. Christians had done similar things centuries ago. Racoon: |
A wise woman once said, "Di.ck is life". Always has been. Always will be. UDOKABESTLUV: |

