naijapikin2:


You really need spiritual help, I mean it. Did I advise her to leave her church

Aside from falsely interpreting the bible another challenge of yours is comprehension. Did she mention a church then I advised her to leave

You are really warped in this quagmire of yours.

1. Daniel 12:3 they that turn. Many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever, so if she sees the light of. God's word. It also releases blessings for we soul winners.

John 15 16. We are ordained to bear fruiti and our fruits should remain. We are not called to win souls and leave them on their own. They should be planted in a bible believing church, that way they grow.

If these ones are not fully glaring for ito see then ONLY the Holy Spirit can deliver you. We are just going round in circles. I said number 2 was one of my emphasis on this discussion to you. If you believe that church going is not a bad thing then what is your point with arguing with the verses I quoted.

Please I can't help your unbelief. You go ahead and believe what you will and I also will stick to my beliefs.

I don't intend to respond to you again.

If what you believe gets you to heaven so be it.

Believe what you choose, if we meet in heaven so be it. If not....

Shalom. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

😅🤣 I simply asked you to explain the correlation between the above scriptures you quoted and the matter at hand, and you result into insults. (AGAIN)😅
I am falsely interpreting the bible. 🤣
How if I may ask?

No you didn't advice her to leave her church , you only adviced her to go to another church where her prayer will be answered. 😅
If I may ask, What happened to her own church?

I need spiritual help?😅
It's ok bro. I wish you well. 😆

naijapikin2:
read 2 samuel 7:10
John 15:16

Daniel 12:3

You are the one that needs to read your Bible more sir. If you believe that you don't need to go to church then in addition to all these scriptures remember iron sharpeneth iron so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

I can still give you a thousand verses to backup going to church for your spiritual growth sir. I'm not saying if you don't go to church you will go to hell, I'm saying you will remain a spiritual dwarf if you are not a church goer.. and more importantly a DOER!

Thank you sir.

In addition sir, I don't believe in running from one church to another. That's why I mentioned 2 samuel 7:10

Let me help you to drop the Bible verses you dropped. So that you can also help us explain the correlation they have with the topic. 😆

2 Sam 7:10 And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning

Please what is the correlation?😅

I dropped John 15:16 already. Please help us.

Daniel 12:3
"Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever"

Please help us explain
Thank you.

naijapikin2:


Do us one last favour.

Please read John 15:16

I won't argue with your next response 🙏🙏🙏

Let me do you one favour. I will drop John 15:16 so that we can all benefit.

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.

Now please kindly endeavour to explain the correlation between this verse and our present discussion.

No argument. Just explain. Thank you

naijapikin2:


Form your posts you don't read the. Bible you profess. Ever since this discussion started I've quoted verses to backup my point. Verses that you obviously don't agree with, no problem I respect your opinion but I believe it's a shallow one. Jesus gave a parable about compelling the people to come that His house may be full. The scriptures says IN THE MULTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE GOD IS HONOURED.

Go back and read my posts, I've said two things all along for emphasis sake this is the last time I will swing in that direction.

1. You can get answers to your prayers when you go to a bible believing church and it's program.

2. You can also get answers when you study the word on your own even at home. (Or under a tree as you opined)

This has been my emphasis.

But you on the other hand you believe only on the second one. That's the. Difference between us. I'm still of the STRONG opinion that if (note the word IF)... You say she does not have to go to church to get answers then you must be a DEMON. Without apologies. Am telling you.

Since it is obvious we both believe in different aspects then I've nothing more o say.

The. Above is my UNAPOLOGETIC view about you.

If. Have sounded insultive I'm sorry but this. Is what I feel about you and you and your warped conception about the bible.

Shalom.

Smiles.
I clearly understand your defense and the reason why you are so much trying to make it seems I am saying something so unchristianly.
it is very understandable.

First and foremost, Number 2 was NEVER your emphasis
You didn't advice her to reach out to God on her own. You specifically adviced her to visit Shiloh for answers.

Let me quote what you said.

"Don't forget to attend Shiloh.. (just a suggestion o).. the truth is that God has your best interest."

🖕Those were your exact words.

You didn't tell her to reach out to God on her own. You SPECIFICALLY adviced her not to forget to visit Shiloh.

Secondly, In no where did I say she doesn't need to go to church.

The simple question is "what is a church?"
A church is simply a congregation of people gathered together to commune and worship God. And that can be 2 or more people.

So the entire talk has been about correcting you about emphasizing that she goes to one particular church in order to receive answers to her prayer. That is very unchristianly. And I pray you and many more like you out there will learn and repent.

Just imagine Paul preaching that members of the church in Corinth should come for a program in Jerusalem so that they can "receive answers" to their prayers.

Is God not alive in their church in Corinth? Or MUST it be in Jerusalem until God perform miracles?

That is exactly what you are trying to do here by advicing her to leave her own church and go to One Shiloh in order to "see God" or get answers to her problems.

God is everywhere. He manifests his power and answers prayers even in the depth of pits. As far as you believe and trust in him.
We have left the era when people trekked miles to see Christ and touch the linen of his garment.
Christ is now available to everyone everywhere, as much as you are willing and ready to receive him.


I will leave you with the final note again, STOP PREACHING CHURCH, PREACH CHRIST.

Feel free to insult me again.

God bless you.

naijapikin2:


You are contradicting yourself with your quotes sir

Where two or three are gathered in my name i am there. IS SHILOH NOT A GATHERING OF MORE THAN TWO IN THE NAME OF GOD. HABA!

It seems both of us are saying similar things from different perspectives. In line with all we have read in the scriptures IS IT WRONG TO GO TO SHILOH WITH THE MINDSET THAT YOU WILL ENCOUNTER GOD HIMSELF?

THE ANSWER IS NO... IS IT POSSIBLE TO ALSO STAY IN YOUR HOUSE OR UNDER A TREE AND ENCOUNTER GOD? THE ANSWER IS ALSO YES . IF SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT.

So here is my summation sir. You can be under a tree and have an encounter with God.. also you can go to Shiloh and ENCOUNTER GOD. If at the beginning you said she can go to any bible believing church event and ENCOUNTER God and also equally be in her house and have an encounter I wouldn't have had any issues, but you made it seem as I was directing her to a wrong place where she will not be blessed.

But like I said, over 80% of your spiritual growth will come from going to a bible believing church and growing in the word and in the spirit.

NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLY OF THE BRETHREN

FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD. you already know these verses.

I still believe you worship with redeemed church 🙏🙏🙏

Shalom

Smiles.
I in no way contradicted myself in any of my posts.
And we are not saying similar things from different perspectives.

You are emphasizing on a specific gathering as a go to centre for answers and deliverance. While I am emphasizing on the point that a Christian does not need to go to a specific centre before his/her prayers can be answered.


The point you want to keep arguing is that you are wrong.
You don't need to preach a specific church to a Christian. Rather preach Christ. Your advice to her should have been for her to seek Christ over her issues, and not to tell her to go to one specific church or the other. Just as you would do a business centre or private company.
That is not Christianity. That is very far from it.

Unfortunately you will keep arguing, because you have been doing so for so long that you believe yourself to be right. and thus, won't take to corrections.

Well, I leave you with your opinion about which church I attend.
It doesn't surprise me that you see this correction of mine as a competition between Winners and redeem church
That is the problem your type of advice has created in the Christianity of today. Competitions. It is so sad.

I am a Christian and the church I attend has 2 or more members. And it has no name other than it being a "church"
Hope you are now satisfied?

In conclusion, this is my advice to you; preach Christ and not individual churches. Lead people to Christ and not to your church.

God bless you.

If we analyse your points well, and the assumption and conclusion of yours of the fact that I must be a redeem church member , you will see how much damage this "Go to one particular church" orientation is having on Christianity in general.

You have created business- like divisions and unhealthy competitions which was never the intention of Christ or of the apostles.

I will tell you once again; God does not live in buildings. Neither do you need to be in one Particular place or under one "man" before you will get answers to your prayers.

If you read the entire Jer 3 well, you will get the point.

naijapikin2:


I said she should go for a particular church program to get answers and to see God. EMPHATICALLY YES. if it doesn't work for you does not mean it won't work for others. If you are saying she doesn't need to go to church to ENCOUNTER God, then you must be a demon.. possessed demon to say she doesn't need to go to church to ENCOUNTER God. But I believe you are a believer and a true one. So get in line.

Please read inorder to learn, I gave some verses read them and respond according to the verses then tell me what I said is wrong. I quoted the bible. Quote your own to back up NOT GOING TO CHURCH, or else keep quiet.

Shalom 🙏🙏

Since u asked for a Bible quotation to back up my point, I will give u the easiest one which we should all know.

Matt 18: 18-20
And i quote
"Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”


That is the word of Christ our Lord and savior. The one who we are named christians after.
This simply means Mr kola and Mr kunle can pray together in one corner of their house and achieve results. It is not until they go to one "mount Zion ministry or mount shiloh church"


You dropped Jer 3:15.
Let me help you with the full quote and endeavour to analyse the meaning.

And i quote
"And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will guide you with knowledge and understanding."
This is the New living translation.

This was a prophecy dropped far back as the time of Jeremiah unto the children of Isreal. And it was about this time.
Now can we break it down. Did it say the shepherds will be an intercessory to God?
Did the prophecy say the Christian won't be able to access Christ or God without the shepherds?
Definately no!

Now don't get me wrong, it is important you go to a living church as a Christian, in order to
Get guidance, commune with other brethrens, and strengthen yourself spiritually.

It is however not a Miracle centre, or a special centre where Christian will "meet God" as we are tagging it to be in Nigeria of today. God is reachable anywhere. Not only on a mountain or in Shiloh.

Your church can be under a tree. And yes your prayers can be answered if you ask in Jesus name. For where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name, christ is there.

The problem we have today is that we have equated the church to the babalawo centre which we(Africans) patronised in those days.
The run in and run out centre. Where you go to with a "spiritual problem" and get quick fix "solutions."
Christianity is not like that.
Christianity is relationship with God through Christ. Not through your pastor.

naijapikin2:


I said she should go for a particular church program to get answers and to see God. EMPHATICALLY YES. if it doesn't work for you does not mean it won't work for others. If you are saying she doesn't need to go to church to ENCOUNTER God, then you must be a demon.. possessed demon to say she doesn't need to go to church to ENCOUNTER God. But I believe you are a believer and a true one. So get in line.

Please read inorder to learn, I gave some verses read them and respond according to the verses then tell me what I said is wrong. I quoted the bible. Quote your own to back up NOT GOING TO CHURCH, or else keep quiet.

Shalom 🙏🙏

Wonderful.

If I say "she doesn't need to visit a particular church program before she gets answers from God, Then I must be a demon." 🤣
Wonderful.

I should get in line?😆
I guess u mean "in line with the norm"?

You just summarized the Nigerian Christianity mindset. The very reason why so called "christians" flood church gatherings but do not have a relationship with God.

Kudos to you.

naijapikin2:
read 2 samuel 7:10
John 15:16
Daniel 12:3

You are the one that needs to read your Bible more sir. If you believe that you don't need to go to church then in addition to all these scriptures remember iron sharpeneth iron so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

I can still give you a thousand verses to backup going to church for your spiritual growth sir. I'm not saying if you don't go to church you will go to hell, I'm saying you will remain a spiritual dwarf if you are not a church goer.. and more importantly a DOER!

Thank you sir.

In addition sir, I don't believe in running from one church to another. That's why I mentioned 2 samuel 7:10

Smiles.
Now u are changing the goal post. Going to church is to aid your spiritual growth as iron sharpeneth iron. This is is very true.
However you are not campaigning that the person go to church, Rather you are campaigning that she visit a very "particular" church program/ gathering "in other to see GOD"
And in other to get her prayers answered.
You see where your problem lies?

That is the very same unchristianly comments today's christians make all over the place, and they feel so much pride with it.

God can be reached anywhere! He doesn't live in a particular building.
Encourage people to have a personal relationship with God, and to trust in him. Not to visit your church before they get delivered or answers to prayers.

It is written , where 2 or more are gathered in my name, I am there.

A church is 2 or more people gathered in his name. Not necessarily a fancy name building or location. God can answer your prayer whether u pray alone or better still when you engage with a fellow or more in same spirit anywhere. It may be under a mango tree.

Christians should grow in spirit and not keep running after "men of God" for their contact with God.

May God open your inner mind.

naijapikin2:
God does not live in SHILOH

He APPEARS IN SHILOH. 🙏🙏🙏

Wonderful.
And I guess you learnt that from the story of Eli and Samuel?
Wonderful!

Well, the truth is that with Christ, God is available to you even in your room.

I pray you receive the truth and knowledge of Christ Jesus, and cease running helter skelter for "miracles".

naijapikin2:
Congratulations to me on reading your long epistle.
Anyway dear. Don't rush into relationship or marriage.

Some are looking for miracle marriage some are looking for miracle divorce.

Get this strait. LOVE STILL EXISTS. And it'll find you. Let your belief in love not fade because of someone who clearly doesn't deserve you. We don't stop buying cars simply because an accident happened. We don't stop drinking water simply because someone drowned. (Davido no dey drink water again?)

Pardon the analogy. Just believe that you will get a man who will treat you like the queen you are and it will happen.

Don't forget to attend Shiloh.. (just a suggestion o).. the truth is that God has your best interest.

Cheers.

Lol. And God lives in Shiloh.

We didn't expect less.

Simply show evidence of adoption, or else na sakamanje.

When was adoption done? When she was a kid?

MissLeslie:
Abacha is a good investor, he invested the money only for the senior looter to reloot the loot

Lol. If only you know what Abacha did, you won't say this. Do you know that those money were the exact sum looted in over 30years ago? The money never acquired any interest.

It is just like you putting 1m in the bank since year 2000. Ur money has lost value more than 10folds. What 1m naira could buy in year 2000, 20m can't buy now.

Imagine the worth of $4b in those days. It could have built Nigeria into a world class country, a fully developed nation with all infastructures. Yet one man stole all and put it in accounts all over the world. out of greed

Abacha's body should be excavated and hanged.

Hmm.
She just spoke out what more than 50% of Nigerian locals agrees on.

Evidence of a distorted society.

Kobojunkie:
Of course, laugh now.. after you have been caught in yet another Churchian lie...

..
Exactly. 😆

Kobojunkie:
Actually it isn't! Jesus Christ never instructed His followers that they had to dress modestly!

As a matter of fact, when Jesus Christ was naked on the cross, He did not request he be covered up for modesty's sake.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
Of course these churchians have more than learned this but with the stick up their arse, they can't help themselves but continue to insist, against commonsense, that how you dress influences how people treat you or how Life goes for you. The high they get from telling others to live according to their own doctrines and traditions is too much for them to overcome.

2. Leave God out of it since God is strict about obedience to His teachings and commandments, and He is not so particularly about whether you should do it clothed or naked. His one and only obligation is obedience to HIs actual teachings and commandments and nothing else.

🤣🤣
Here comes the religious confusionist with her confusion again.

Can't you just rest?
God is not concerned whether they do it clothed or naked, they should. Just obey his teachings? 😆
Dressing morally is not part of his teachings and commandments?🤣

Hmm. He is not alone.

It is well

MaxInDHouse:

Good!
At least now you have a REASON to IGNORE us.

Now enjoy the thread with your friends!

Thanks. I hope you equally enjoy watching we hell bound sinners. 🤣

MaxInDHouse:


Now watch how your friends who has come to distract you from reasoning with Jehovah's Witnesses will leave your thread stylishly since they purposely came to distract you not to make any meaningful contributions.

Farewell my friend and may you have PEACE!

There is no reasoning whatsoever with JW
You showed your true colour, painted the picture well.
And it has been entertaining to say the Least.

What is there to reason?
If not to ignore you

achorladey:


We were at no time at war with anybody

True

achorladey:


He and his crew will still come back and peddle lies and manipulations here even if you leave them alone That's why we expose them repeatedly here.

.😆😆
It is well.
well, now that I know them enough, I won't bother engaging. There is no point trying to discuss the Bible with someone who believes he will make heaven just because he belongs to a church organization. And every other individual who doesn't belong to his organization is hell bent.

It's been a wonderful eye opening discussion.

Well, let's have peace. We Have heard from the JW that every other christians are hell bound. That is ok.
A big congratulations to them.

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks for your time!

Thanks for explaining yourself too.

I have really enjoyed this thread. At least I have learnt of what JW stands for. And why ONLY THEM will make the kingdom of heaven, even if their members are fornicators.

Please Let's leave them alone. @achorladey

I don't have a problem with anyone who believes only him and his sects are God's chosen. And that Christian preaching publicly are sinners.

Smiles..

achorladey:






When you see a liar and manipulator, you will know

Acts 20:20...... while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.

What came first?

A. Publicly
B House to house
C. Allow me to peddle my lies and manipulations
D. I divert into something else.

Your Bible even said teaching publicly but your hypocrisy filled brains says it noise making

The sermon on the mount is what?

A. Publicly
B. House to house
C. Allow me peddle lies and manipulations
D. I will avoid apostates



To advance your lies and manipulations, you have to lie and manipulate more. The same madness and insanities peddling peddler will tell us churchgoers that are military men filled the churches and killed churchgoers of another country during war.

Oya change mouth and lie again



Madness and insanities peddling questions as usual. The same person that said they don't have members that carry guns in their midst. While members are still gainfully employed not just as police officers but mobile police and even civil defence e.t.c . You think watchtower will give them food to eat free of charge without working



After your lies and manipulations are exposed it becomes they don't understand

🤣

cornelboy:
The Ukrainian and Russian Christian soldiers are currently killing one another. That was the love Jesus preached haha 😂😂

Like I always say sir, the Bible started making a lot of sense to me after reasoning with the JWs.

I swear I started learning new things that I had never learned before. I didn't know what paradise and God's kingdom really mean.

Jehovah God bless the JWs wherever they are

And the Military and police protecting you from jihadist and assassins who wish to kill you in your sleep too are all sinners too.

You are perfectly right sir.

MaxInDHouse:
@Porksupplyib
Are we through with our discussion?

Yes bro. Now we are through. I have gotten all your inputs. It is the very first time I am hearing what you stand for.
Now I understand you perfectly and I see why only your sect will enter the kingdom of God.

cornelboy:

Thank you.
He didn't know those in forces are tools in the hands of evil politicians. And as a Christian you'd definitely be forced to do politicians's will instead of God's will.

Common sense will not pass me by in Jesus's name.

A big Amen to your prayer

MaxInDHouse:


He only wanted to know:

Why his country is filled with religious centers all claiming Christians yet there is corruption everywhere.

Surely when Jesus (God's Son who founded Christianity) walked the earth there was nothing like corruption in his own country!

Oh!
I never knew that. So there was no corruption in government in the time of Jesus?

Now this is more related to the topic at hand.
Please say more.