MaxInDHouse:


What is evangelism?
Well we preach and teach about God's kingdom {Matthew 10:7} not heaven and hell.

Wonderful.
Endevour to quote a much broader view of Matt 10.

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

Most denomination preach of the kingdom of heaven according to verse 7. They also engage in healing the sick raising the dead, driving out demons etc.

Do you do those in Jehovah witness. Or you just claim yours is the perfect one and others are sinners?

Dtruthspeaker:


If you eat all of it, what tithe would you have to give the levites? Numbers 18:21.

And who are the Levites in Christianity?
I am sure your answer will be your pastors.

Now what was the major characteristics of the levite tribe of isreal?
They were consecrated to serve in the temple, and they owned no possesions to their names.

How many cars, houses, cash etc does your pastors have to their names?

If you can answer the above truthfully you will know how much of a scam the principle of tithing is In christiandom.

Putting that aside, whatsoever wasn't in the foundation of Christianity which you have gone to put into it today is nothing short of an abberation to please your fleshy desires.

The foundational principle installed by the early undiluted church of Christ to raise funds for the church was "free giving and raising of offerings". No one was compelled to give a tenth of his/her earnings to reap any particular imaginary blessings /curse.
They needed money to a great deal, Paul needed funds for his several travels and ministry. Every church of those days had several poor, several widows , several sick who needed financial help, Yet not for once was the issue of tithing the members EVER brought up.
But today, you have jumped into the old testament to drag it out and push it into the church.

Weldone

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus likens himself to a tree planted by God {John 15:1} his apostles as the branches {John 15:5} if anyone is claiming the title of Apostles such a person supposed to be attached to this tree but what if such a person isn't producing the same fruit as the Jewish apostles? Jesus said such a branch is FAKE so it will be cut off and burnt! John 15:6

A tree has two things: GIFTS and FRUIT

GIFTS are the side attractions found in any tree like appearance, fragrance, leafage, strength, height, width and so on. Different trees in the forest do have similar GIFTS that's why Jesus emphasized on the FRUIT because two different trees can never ever produce the same FRUIT.

FRUIT is the product of a tree and it's in this fruit that SEEDS are found to generate or plant the same tree elsewhere.

What are the GIFTS found in Jesus' tree?
They are faith healings, speaking in tongues, melodious songs of praise, large fellowship in number, beautiful worship centers and so on.
All these could be found in other religions just as GIFTS in different trees are similar.

What is the FRUIT found in Jesus' tree?
According to Jesus himself he commanded his disciples to go preaching, teaching and making more disciples who will in turn continue with the work {Matthew 28:18-20} if his disciples continue in this routine they will fetch disciples in all the earth who will also be doing exactly the same thing {Act 1:8} that is what the people living in Antioch observed before they started calling Jesus' disciples "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

So Jesus said there will be false prophets (fake religious leaders) forming churches here and there {Matthew 7:15} but how will interested persons figure out those belonging to Christ Jesus? Jesus himself answered:
"By their fruits you will know" Matthew 7:16
Because it will be extremely impossible for any fake religion to produce followers who will be zealous preachers and industrious teachers like he did! Matthew 7:17-18

So any religion can perform SIGNS and WONDERS but if the adherents aren't doing the WORK Jesus assigned to his disciples such a religion has nothing to do with Jesus no wonder he said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:21-23

So it's only those WORKING that has true faith! James 2:18-26

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

I believe by "doing the works assigned to his disciples" you mean evangelising the gospel?
Hope you know many churches evangelise the gospel and not only Jehovah witness ?

Or you think it is only your sect who does evangelism?

Akalia:
Men like daddy oyedepo have paid their dues in the lord's vineyard, you don't expect him to remain in the circle of financial struggle. Cast your eyes away from his imperfections and focus on the good works the Lord has done and is still doing with him.

Describe or define paying of dues in christianity

Wodu89:



Read the Book of Obadiah for example.

Read the Book of Malachi and let wisdom interpret what it means that you won't have room to store His blessings

In Deuteronomy, He says He would Bless our Bread and waters

And you don't know the difference between "He will bless our bread and water" and "he will give us extreme wealth"?


Do you remember the lord's prayer?
If you can't, please endeavour to revisit it.

"Give us this day our daily bread"
It is very clear.

If any so called "man of God" tells you he is super rich because he is serving God and obeying his commandments, just remind him of the fact that he is still very much far behind Apostle Paul and other early heralder of the gospel when it comes to serving God and the pushing the gospel. And that no where was it recorded that these ones were extremely wealthy.

Let's all stop being deceived.

Matt 6: 19-21 says it all.

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

That is the teaching of Christ.
Any other teaching or idea contrary to this is not Christ-Like. And thus doesn't make you a Christian.
Feel free to continue arguing and amassing wealths for yourself on earth while others around you suffer.

coputa:
The billions own by the Catholic church is not controlled by one man and his family

Leave him. He should be comparing incomparable things. Maybe he sees the name of the pope as part of the richest persons in the world

clems88:
no need to explain to him. So many people that call their self are a disgrace to Christianity. Have you ever heard a Muslim criticizing themselves or their imam ? NO , we we Christian seem to disgrace and ridicule our selves . That's why muslims will come and quote the Bible upside down and rubbish our faith

Have u ever seen a Muslim wake up one morning and set up his religious practice and give it a name, his own dortrines, his own teachings etc?

That should tell you the reason why you can't have Muslims facing a supposed leader.

Islam does not condole the several nonsense and freedom which Christianity allows. It is in christainity that the church is your property. Your blessings. Etc. It isn't so in Islam. No one owns the mosques. The cases are way differnt.

So before you compare try to understand.

We know for certain that in the end times like these several false prophets will arise. Teaching their own made up messages and dortrines. So it is very necessary for the Christian folks to speak out when we see perversions from the TRUTH.

Wodu89:



That proves the situation. First of all God and repent and give your life to God. You can't debate spiritual truths that needs spiritual insights. You won't understand these things. I hope you turn from your ways and return to God

Wonderful!
It is interesting that you understand this things so much but can't prove them.
Yet you believe someone else is a sinner so he can't understand it.

Wonderful Christian brother.

Wodu89:



Read the Book of Obadiah for example.

Read the Book of Malachi and let wisdom interpret what it means that you won't have room to store His blessings

In Deuteronomy, He says He would Bless our Bread and waters

I said drop quotation. You are telling me to go and read entire books. Are you being serious?

The huge mistake you all keep making is that you can't differentiate the dispensations of the bible.

Christianity is a lot differnt from several things in the bible.

Imagine quoting when Elijah sent down fire upon his enemy and referencing it as an act in Christianity. You will be very wrong.
Imagine digging into the laws that says stone a woman caught committing adultery, and trying to apply that as a Christian . You will be very wrong.

You need to understand the fact that the life of a Christian is simply Christ's teachings and life. Alongside that of the early heralders of the gospel. I.e the apostles.

Quoting Malachi, obadiah, etc to support your actions as a Christian will only be self deceit and flesh indulgment.

All Christi's teachings emphasised the fact that lay down your treasures not on earth, but in heaven. He didn't promise anyone riches for following him.

If indeed you are a person who desires giving, then you can't amass wealth.
Your life will be centered on moderacy and love.

You wont see your neighbour who doesn't have a shoe while you have 4shoes. You will joyfully give him one.

You wont see or hear of your neighbour who is about to be chased out of the house due to failure to pay his rent, while you have billions stored up in foreign accounts.

I can go on and on.

The only way you are extremely wealthy in this world is simply because you love money and you are not a giver.

I am not saying don't be rich. I am saying extremely wealthy.

There is no issue with having the luxury of life. But there is an issue with unrelenting aquisitions.

JuicCR:
Money is Nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5cXTHnqsgU

Money is nonsense, yet you acquire it and amass billions of it to your name.

Wodu89:



The Catholic church sits on billions. Many Christian organizations now sit on billions. God promises us as Christians wealth. My only pain is why would one be a follower for a decade and look like a skunk. You need emergency financial aid of 500k for medical surgery for your loved one, then stories begins to enter and a while family may have committed there for a decade. When people then ask for help, speeches like you're coming to church because if financial aid not for God. Even after spending up to a decade in followersip and service. Then I begin to wonder if we have blood in us or iron


I dare to be challenged, did someone not say they had a mandate to make people at liberty almost thirty years plus ago.


And when one mebtors followers for 10-20-30 years then the fruits should be the judge

And when followers of 10-40 years are yet in terrible conditions in large swarths, what right do we have to claim fullfilment ?

"God promises us as Christians wealth"

Please kindly drop quotation to support this. Will he waiting

12345bbt:
I remember during my nysc in the north when I joined living faith church also one of their chorister, the pastor always refer to me as a weak believer simply because I don't speak in tongues like others. One day he approached me in his car I asked reason why I don't speak in toque and I respond that the scripture said " we shall receive power when holly spirit has come upon us ...." I made him to understand that speaking in tongues is far from what you pick inside gutter or grab anyhow but has it's own Divine control. Even the desciples pray to some extent in the upper room before the holy spirit come upon them. Despite all my response he just wanted me to speak for others to know I too can speak until one day the spirit of God touched and pulled it out of me while praying earnestly and the pastor was so surprised while others remain silent and shocked. So speaking in tongue is not just bread n tea but a full force of power of God while engaging in fervent prayer.

God bless you o.
Let them keep forcing members to speak in fake tongues.

vicardino:
Before you brandish your ignorance, shouldn't you first understand the context? You should have at least taken your time to see the content I was replying. Blasting in tongues in churches is wrong according to who? If a church is full of tongue talking believers, how then is it wrong to speak or pray in tongues? I hope you know as well that Romans 8 : 26 And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that [b]cannot be expressed in words[\b]. The pentecostal experience, where did it happen? At the upper room and that paints a picture of a church. In fact, the church was birthed that day. May the Lord give you understanding.

It is good that you have mentioned the holy spirit in your statement. Now answer , what percentage of those who do shekerabulazaga!! And the likes in church are led by the holy Spirit?
How many are filled with the holy spirit in the churches? Is it not your pastors that propel them to start speaking in tongues and not the holy spirit.

If you like keep arguing. Truth remains that self deceit is what 90% of Christian's do when it comes to tongues speaking.

vicardino:
Problem with people like you is you don't pay attention even when you read the Bible. Many Christians as basic as it is still don't know what happened to them the day they gave their lives to Christ and the basics to know about Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. When Apsotle Paul was addressing a whole church in 1 corinthians 4:18 when he said I thank God that I speak in tongues more than you all and in the next verse he said that he'd rather speak 5 intelligible words in
CHURCH to instruct others than speak 10,000 words in tongues. This shows that Apostle Paul preferred speaking intelligible words in Church to instruct others yet he said he speaks in tongue more than a whole church put together. So, if he doesn't speak in tongues in Church really, where then and how did he speak in tongues more than a whole church? It's simple, he speaks in tongue everywhere, on the road to preach, when he's making tents and all. That a Christian brother or sister speaks in tongues on the road isn't wrong at all. Read your Bible and pay attention

It is you that need to read your bible well and be calm.

First and foremost your quotation is wrong.
It is 1cor 14:18 and nor 4:18

Please endevour to read the entire chapter.
And you will have a real understanding of the topic and why this issue of abuse is important.

Let's look at what Paul said.
1cor 14;
18.
thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
19
But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.


With this it is clear that blasting tongues in churches is indeed very wrong.

Speaking in tongues isn't to be done by fleshy or brain commutations like rapping. It is a genuine spirit led utterings.

The fact that Paul said he will wish that they all could speak in tongues does not mean speaking in tongues is what makes you a better Christian.
What we see in churches today is just an abberation.

Kobojunkie:
Not at near the same rate you lot do in your Africa considering there are currently millions of homeless children in Nigeria today and adoption remains all but a taboo to this present day.

Well, I never argued about who has it more. My point was that it happens everywhere.

Well, in defence of the black man, children gets abandoned by their mothers everywhere around the world for various reasons.

You just won't hear so much of it in the news when it happens is developed countries cuz there is a system that takes them in.

damoobaba:


Church is not Federal government, state government or local government

This shows how truly ignorant you are. The church is greater and stronger than the government ! It is an aggregation of people who come together in one spirit sharing and supporting one another spiritually and
physically.
It is not a person's business where one man dictates how the church's offerings are spent. Or where one man assumes control of the churches properties as his own.

Well, it is an African sickness. I am not surprised.

Material wealth have no correlation with salvation or Christianity. Until the church understands this the deceit will go on.

The richest people in the world are not Christian's. Many of them don't even believe in God.
That you are rich does not mean God loves you more than the poor man. Or that you are God's favorite. The wicked ones are getting richer by the day. While the meek has mastered the spirit of love and contentment even when they have the means to be extravagant.

With the spirit of love and contentment , you won't keep acquiring wealth to your name, while millions around you can barely feed.

That is not God's blessing , it is a curse.

Well, we will all give account one day.

Wodu89:
God blessed the church not an individual and if such is the case, should the sheep not partake of the corporate blessings ? Even in corporate entities, dividends are distributed vertically and horizontally. The board of directors do not end up becoming the beneficiary of corporate profits alone, No. The organization becomes more established as it benefits. Then, share holders benefits as well


When you belong to any church that emphasizes receiving and not giving back and is fast to say IT IS WELL WHEN YOU'RE IN A VERY BAD SITUATION over queries like what could be your needs, know that you're in an unhealthy church.


The kingdom of God is not dependent on any single individual. God will raise alternatives.an must be subject to God and submissive to The Holy spirit, not the other way around !

The tone of the church is "we" and "our", ND not "I" and "mine". Pastor Oyedepo has made it clear that The entire church and all its assets are his property. Nothing more nothing less

damoobaba:


Oga, if the multitude is NOT BENEFITTING ANYTHING, they'll not be running to the church talk less of remaining there. Its d 21st century and nobody can use jazz to tie down hundreds of thousands of adults in a place for several years. The church is NOT THE WORSHIPPERS' PROBLEM. The society put the people in problem which the church is only trying to help them find a solution to. The church is NOT COLLECTING TAX from worshippers, whatever you have you give, THATS ALL.

Yes the masses are benefiting a lot

Abifarin16:

You don't need to. Then you will continue arguing without end. You don't like a particular phenomenon, you claim to know better. But you will not help people with the Said better understanding, permit me to say you are worst than him.

"arguing" you say.
Naaaa!
We don't need to argue. We only need to speak up. It is left for those who have ears to ear. False prophets will rise up for financial reasons, fleecing the sheeps. It has been written. It is not today. We have nothing to argue about.

At least it is clear now that the CHURCH and all its assets is seen as his property.
The tone of the church is "we" and not "I".
So no one should come and tell us that the church owns the properties, buildings, cars , and planes.
Your pastor owns them all.

Abifarin16:


Why did God not bless everybody but choose Abraham? Are they not all human beings? His Father had 3 sons.
Why did he choose only Noah to save and not the whole world?

Are you practicing abrahamic dispensation or practicing Christianity. What are Christ's teachings about wealth acquisitions and storing properties on earth?

The problem the today's christian have is that they select what pleases them from the bible and follow it in the name of "Christianity" .

When you want to pray down fire on your enemies you run to quote Elijah.
When you want to talk about riches you run to pick Abraham and the likes.
I only wonder why christ came to die for you in the first place.

Abifarin16:


Start a ministry based on the understanding that you proclaim to have and teach all this false Christians/Preachers what's right.

I don't need to start a ministry before I can share the genuine word of God. That is the mistake you all make.

It is not until you proclaim yourself "pastor" or general overseer, and instill dortrines on a number of people before you can share the word, or correct wrong doings in the body of Christ.
It is left for those who have ears to hear. It is not by force.

Christianity is not about being wealthy or having material blessings in abundant amidst the poverty of millions.

May God open the eyes of his people.

damoobaba:


You simply dont know the number of people that's blessed by them. The FULL TIME Pastors alone of Winners chapel are more than 30,000. Let's not start talking about other workers. You simply dont know the number of people enjoying free scholarships in their schools talk less of free foods in their churches. Yet, that's not even the main reason for the establishment of the church. STOP GOING TO CHURCH FOR FOOD.

Now this is the popular defense we always hear too.
"You don't know how many people they are blessing bla bla bla."

Dear brother, we don't need to know how many people they are "blessing", we however clearly see the overflowing lack in the multitude of sheeps. That is clearly enough.
We see the poverty among the sheep's. How they lack so much.

The foundation of the church was clearly on love and sharing . "So that none was found wanting"
None should be found wanting!

God is not glorified when you own 10 houses while your brother can hardly pay his rent in a one room apartment.

That is not God's blessing. That is simply greed ,worldliness and lack of love. It has no place in the body of Christ.

Wodu89:



LoL. I'm making my case. It's not about yours. Another man's wealth doesn't make you poor. I'm not about covetousness but uploading righteous decrees. Take your case about your pastor being rich while you're poor to God, not to me.

no bro you are only making your gullible religious case. Same gullible defense millions always put up when the subject of tithing in the church and riches of pastors come up.

It is interesting to see that you clearly see your own gulibility and hence have no tangible response to why Levites who tithes was proscribed for, owned no possesions, while your pastors are acquiring possessions. Congratulations to you

Wodu89:



Stop saying nonsense. God Himself instructed the Levites to receive offerings. You don't carry the entire kingdom and make a mockery of it because of your perceptions about one man


Tithing is God's provision for first distribution in the house so there's no lack, for the needy, for the poor, for the widow and emergency needs of faithfuls. The use of tithes for business and then expansion should then imply that the profeeds is adequately used to cater for these needs again. Not that it's entirely bad

How many horses, sheeps, goats , oxens , possesions etc did the Levites own?

Try to be using small small sense sir. It isn't difficult

Botragelad:

Alright, mate, let me explain what this news is saying in a simple way. It's about how India's ban on exporting some types of rice has affected Nigeria and other countries that depend on importing rice from India.

Basically, India decided to stop sending out non-basmati rice, which is a cheaper and more common kind of rice, to keep the prices low in their own country. This means that Nigeria and other West African countries can't get enough rice from India to meet their local demands. Nigeria has been trying to produce more rice locally, but it still needs to import some rice to make up for the gap.

Now, because of the shortage of rice from India, the local rice farmers and millers in Nigeria are also struggling. They can't get enough rice to process and sell, and they have to deal with other problems like border closure, sanctions, and bandits. This has caused many of them to shut down their businesses and lose their income.
As a result of all this, the price of rice in Nigeria has gone up a lot in the past few months.

Now, to answer your question about whether or not it is the raw rice from India they mill in Nigeria and brand locally produced rice, the answer is no. Nigeria imports mainly Indica white rice from India, which is already milled and polished. Nigeria also produces its own local rice, such as Ofada, Abakiliki, and Lake Rice, which are different from the Indian rice in terms of quality and nutrition. The local rice is milled by local millers who add value to the product and create employment. Nigeria does not import raw rice from India and repackage it as local rice. That would be considered dishonest and illegal. That's my little idea!

So if we don't mill imported rice from India, what now concerns our Millers with India stoppage of exportation?

You are still deceiving yourself sir

yemmit90:


You are still saying the same thing, narrating the problem majority of investors are having ( good capital).

Alts has proving to be bad investments since past 7 years, except inexperience people or newbies, no good crypto traders will ever rely on them anymore. Contrary to your opinion, you don't really need big capital to profit from Bitcoin, $500 and above is enough to make decent little but consistent income from Bitcoin.

For instance, when TRX, XVG was around $15, bitcoin was around $7k and BNB around $14 then, fast forward to today, the two coins mentioned are less than $1, while bitcoin and BNB has gone up to $26k and $220 respectively. There was a time XRP was around $80, and the same ripple now is less than $1. OG was around $15 two months ago, the same OG is now less than $5, I am sure it could still go down to $1 or less.

It was later I learnt from my Americans crypto lords i meet on Twitter that those making good return in crypto markets are no longer trading alts but Bitcoin and other major coins including fiat. They also invest little or nothing in ICOs and hope they later come into limelight.

XRP $80?

Reduce the lie sir.