Ekealterego:

I could not capture this full description but they mixed it up with admiration and a light hint of racism.
These are excerpts from Crow.

9Pluto:


We are trying to have an intellectual discourse here and I would appreciate claims backed with proofs. You can read through the original post and see my comments abouts names. Here is a sample family name in Opobo, 'Ikeokwuadighm'. Remember facts not fiction.

DitariDisciple2:
So why is Bonny and Opobo under all Ijaw socia-cultural organizations till today without leaving even one behind, but they are not even in one Ibo own till today.
Why do their Kings use Amayanabo as title, same with other Ijaw subgroups, like Nembe in Bayelsa Brass in Bayelsa Kalabari, Wakirike and other Ibani.
And never ever Eze.
Both Bonny and Opobo answer Ijaw names and never Ibo own.
Is Ibim Ibiwari from Opobo Ibo names??
Is Adawari from Opobo Ibo name
Is Preye from Bonny Ibo name??
Is Ebi from Bonny Ibo name??
Is Tamuno Kpokpo from Opobo Ibo name
All una lies end here.
All those write ups u posted are all created by Ibo.
Tell me why they are in all Ijaw socia-cultural organizations without leaving even one behind, till today, but they are not even in one Ibo own.

DitariDisciple2:


That's never ever Opobo name.
Why are they not under Ibo socia-cultural organizations
But are in all Ijaw own.

oyatz:
All these aren't necessary if we understand two important facts;

1) Ethnic Identities are self-indentities.














2) Ethnic Identities , though relatively stable are nevertheless dynamic and may change over a long period of time.

Ekealterego:

The described Bretches in my thread Empire of the Igbos.

The only living "Bretche" today celebrated his 100th birthdaz some weeks ago
The first picture is a Bretche living in Sierra Leone in 1850s.
The Bretches were responsible for most of the ship revolts during the slave trades because they were already titled and rich.

9Pluto:


Here is proof.

Igboid:
The Ottam were the Ndoki.
Nwotam is said to have been invented by the Ottams.

DitariDisciple2:


That's never ever Opobo name.
Why are they not under Ibo socia-cultural organizations
But are in all Ijaw own.

SlayerForever:



Thanks for that piece of information. I couldn't recognize the term.

Pass11:

Anybody can belong to ijaw national council as long as 100 hungry people from the place come together, that is according to your ijaw constitution, infact we will soon register nairaland as part of ijaw we are 80 people now just waiting for more 20 people to sign up

Ekealterego:

Make it 81, i will help out too.

oyatz:
All these aren't necessary if we understand two important facts;

1) Ethnic Identities are self-indentities.














2) Ethnic Identities , though relatively stable are nevertheless dynamic and may change over a long period of time.

Ekealterego:

Make it 81, i will help out too.

Pass11:

Anybody can belong to ijaw national council as long as 100 hungry people from the place come together, that is according to your ijaw constitution, infact we will soon register nairaland as part of ijaw we are 80 people now just waiting for more 20 people to sign up

Igboid:


Either this or the Ottam were another proto Cross River group Indigenous to the area currently called Ndokiland, and Bonny, and Opobo, that the Ndoki people assimilated when they arrived the area.

In which case, the Ottam no longer exists today, but exists in the blood of every Ndoki man.
Just like the Neanderthal never went on extinction but were rather assimilated by the homo sapiens we call Caucasians today.
So they continue to exist but inside the blood of Caucasians.

DitariDisciple2:


The next thing wey remain for you is to pull clothes and enter road.
The people that enter already have oil.
If they want money, e already dey their land.
Your frustrations end here.

Ekealterego:

I guess, by the time their language was collected in 1848 by clarke, you could tell they were at least Igbos or something close to the Igbos.

Another thing is that the historically collected names of some of these people might have changed. At least, some changed.

The Alinsaw or Alinso recorded by Tabot and older historians have changed to Egbema I think.
Eleme was recorded as Mboli (the Arochukwu's settlers' name for what we now call Eleme9. In older books, they were called Mba oli or Mbolli

Igboid:
The Ama-Onye-nabo relationship to the two kings who reigned at same time in Bonny is so on point.
I had always insisted that Amayanabo is an Igbo word.
I couldn't just explain how it became a title for a king.
The OP have done great justice to that.

Igboid:


Yeah.
They were probably already assimilated by Ndokis by then and were Ibo, but still have one or two vestiges of their original Cross River language.

Ekealterego:

I guess, by the time their language was collected in 1848 by clarke, you could tell they were at least Igbos or something close to the Igbos. It was confusing also because some part of the language was kind of close to Ibibios too.

Another thing is that the historically collected names of some of these people might have changed. At least, some changed.

The Alinsaw or Alinso recorded by Tabot and older historians have changed to Egbema I think.
Eleme was recorded as Mboli (the Arochukwu's settlers' name for what we now call Eleme9. In older books, they were called Mba oli or Mbolli

SlayerForever:


Mba oli like single town?

SlayerForever:
The bomb is here!

Igboid:
Either this or the Ottam were another proto Cross River group Indigenous to the area currently called Ndokiland, and Bonny, and Opobo, that the Ndoki people assimilated when they arrived the area.

Igboid:


According to Eleme Wikipedia page. The full name was "Mbaolli iche" meaning a single special town.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleme_people

Eleme are basically Ogoni people who mixed with Aros and lost their Ogoni flavor and now don't consider themselves Igbo(Aro) or Ogoni, but want to be independent.
Their saving grace is that they retained their original Ogoni language.
If they were Igboid speaking, we would be wanting them to reconnect to us through Aros.

The Aro influence on Eleme is retained in Igbo names some of them of Aro origin bear till this day.
Look at the names of Eleme important personalities on Wikipedia.
See Dimkpa and other Igbo names there.

Ekealterego:

The name "Kamalu" is as ancient Aro/Bende as it can be. Today, it is now shortened to "Kalu" or "Kanu" but some areas in Abia state still maintain the full verion "Kamalu" and "Kamanu", especially Ukwa areas of Asa and Ndoki.

9Pluto:
It might interest you to know that the title Amanyanabo use by ijaws originated from Bonny. The igbo interpretation means, “The town/community of 2 kings/persons”.