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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 1:13pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
He walked with the Group led by his God (& bearing the name of his God,Acts 15:6,14-17).
Therefore, anyone following Jesus MUST replicate the same thing, working with the Group bearing the name of the God of Jesus Christ.

Ok, you may be right but how is that an issue here? All I said was that I would not reveal whether I went to church or not. Why are we making that a topic or a big deal? I would never have asked if you did not tell me your church. I have never asked anyone about their religion in Nairaland.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:20pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Ok, you are say that because another organization also believes the same nonsense, we are not allowed to ask questions?
Anyway, you have a point in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses will everything be established. Even nonsense.
See your weak defence.
Mummy Chijoke join me and thief the meat so I am not a guilty. That's exactly the point you are making.
Oga,is Psalms 103:20 in your Bible?
Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!

Psalms 110:1,"Yahweh said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand"

Oga, did Jesus Christ obey Yahweh's voice and perform Yahweh's word? Jesus says John 14:24 = Psalms 103:20.
Is Jesus Christ "mighty in strength?"

Tc, your "nonsense" is from Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2.
Jesus is the angel of Yahweh his LORD.
Oga,Store this Bible truth permanently in your brain
Or
Delete Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 from your Bible.
Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 is "unbelievers weakness", they reject the Bible like Tctrills
grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:26pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Ok, you may be right but how is that an issue here? All I said was that I would not reveal whether I went to church or not. Why are we making that a topic or a big deal? I would never have asked if you did not tell me your church. I have never asked anyone about their religion in Nairaland.
Oga, @ Act's 15,6,14-17, is your Bible right that Jesus walked with the Group led by his God (& bearing the name of his God)?


Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 1:48pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
Oga, @ Act's 15,6,14-17, is your Bible right that Jesus walked with the Group led by his God (& bearing the name of his God)?


I agree but that was never the debate.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 1:52pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
Oga,is Psalms 103:20 in your Bible?
Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!

Psalms 110:1,"Yahweh said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand"

Oga, did Jesus Christ obey Yahweh's voice and perform Yahweh's word? Jesus says John 14:24 = Psalms 103:20.
Is Jesus Christ "mighty in strength?"

Tc, your "nonsense" is from Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2.
Jesus is the angel of Yahweh his LORD.
Oga,Store this Bible truth permanently in your brain
Or
Delete Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 from your Bible.
Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 is "unbelievers weakness", they reject the Bible like Tctrills
grin grin
Sir which of these verses says Jesus Christ is Angel Michael.
Are you saying that anyone who obeys God and is Mighty in strength is Michael? Please make this make sense?
Which truth do you want me to store in my brain? Is it the truth that Jesus Christ obeyed his father or the Jesus Christ is Angel Michael one. Please point to the connection.
Could you do the house a favor. Please use these verses you have put together to show that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael. Thank you.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:42pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Loool
The man finally gives up.
I was not asking about your church, I was asking about you. We both promised not to bring up our churches but you have already broken the rule.

I imagine entertaining a JW church and telling them I am tctills. The better beating Dem go give me ehh. Loool. Just joking.
You want to talk about the son of God Jesus nothing further about his identity because different religions have their understanding on that! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 6:01pm On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You want to talk about the son of God Jesus nothing further about his identity because different religions have their understanding on that! wink
I don't even understand what you mean
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 6:47pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Sir which of these verses says Jesus Christ is Angel Michael.
Are you saying that anyone who obeys God and is Mighty in strength is Michael? Please make this make sense?
Which truth do you want me to store in my brain? Is it the truth that Jesus Christ obeyed his father or the Jesus Christ is Angel Michael one. Please point to the connection.
Could you do the house a favor. Please use these verses you have put together to show that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael. Thank you.
Before we proceed, do you agree with your own Bible. @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 that Jesus is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice and performing Yahweh's word?


When you respond to the question,we can move forward to present the evidence in your Bible.
grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:00pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
I don't even understand what you mean
Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?
If yes and i also believe the same thing there is nothing further to say about his identity because each religion claiming Christians have their doctrine on that.
If you have to cross the boundaries to start asking questions about how each religion view Jesus' prehuman existence then you have to mention your church! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 7:27pm On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?
If yes and i also believe the same thing there is nothing further to say about his identity because each religion claiming Christians have their doctrine on that.
If you have to cross the boundaries to start asking questions about how each religion view Jesus' prehuman existence then you have to mention your church! smiley
Oga just say you are tired of the discussion. Who are you to create rules for me or to give me a boundary.
If I as a question you can't answer, just keep quiet. You must not comment to all questions.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills:
Janosky:
Before we proceed, do you agree with your own Bible. @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2 that Jesus is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice and performing Yahweh's word?


When you respond to the question,we can move forward to present the evidence in your Bible.
grin
No, my own bible did not say Jesus is an angel in Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2
Just so we are sure let me copy and paste.

Psalms 103:20
Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psalm 110:1-2

110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

First passage
The writer is pronouncing blessings upon the Lord and his Angels.

Second passage
The Father tells the Son to sit at his right hand and promises to give him rulership over his enemies.

Nothing about Jesus Christ being an angel. I suspect you mistakenly sent the wrong verses .
If I missed out anything in my summary of the passages please let me know so I can learn.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:09pm On Feb 20, 2025

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 10:24pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
No, my own bible did not say Jesus is an angel in Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2
Just so we are sure let me copy and paste.

Psalms 103:20
Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psalm 110:1-2

110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

First passage
The writer is pronouncing blessings upon the Lord and his Angels.

Second passage
The Father tells the Son to sit at his right hand and promises to give him rulership over his enemies.

Nothing about Jesus Christ being an angel. I suspect you mistakenly sent the wrong verses .
If I missed out anything in my summary of the passages please let me know so I can learn.
Are you really sure you believe in your Bible?
Obstinate heart of Tctrills!
grin grin grin


Oga,who is "the LORD" @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

Is the son doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

What did your own Bible calls those doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20?
What did the Father calls those doing his command @Psalm103:20?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:34pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
Are you really sure you believe in your Bible?
Obstinate heart of Tctrills!
grin grin grin


Oga,who is "the LORD" @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

Is the son doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

What did your own Bible calls those doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20?
What did the Father calls those doing his command @Psalm103:20?
tctrils doesn't have any faith but when a believer proves to be steadfast in faith tctrils will die there asking stupid questions claiming he wants to know! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 10:41pm On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
tctrils doesn't have any faith but when a believer proves to be steadfast in faith tctrils will die there asking stupid questions claiming he wants to know! cheesy
Tctrills knows that we know what he is very desperate to avoid.
He wants the holy scriptures to say what pleases him.

grin grin.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 11:08pm On Feb 20, 2025
when false jw's have nothing, which is much of the time,
then they often post stupid pictures like the one mad max just did

example below

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 11:24pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
Tctrills knows that we know what he is very desperate to avoid.
He wants the holy scriptures to say what pleases him.

grin grin.
Lol
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills:
Janosky:
Are you really sure you believe in your Bible?
Obstinate heart of Tctrills!
grin grin grin


Oga,who is "the LORD" @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

Is the son doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1?

What did your own Bible calls those doing the Lord's command @ Psalms 103:20?
What did the Father calls those doing his command @Psalm103:20?
Sir, are you pretending to be unintelligent?
But I know that you are much smarter than this.
Now let me answer your question from the last.
The Father was not the one speaking in Psalm103:20. That is why the writer says his angels and not my angels. Learn that one first.

Next, you have a problem with simple English. Your doctrine can only be true when one chooses to intentionally misunderstand simple grammar
Let me use another English sentence to explain.
If I say, Bless my father, ye his workers, that live in his house.
Then a semi-illiterate will assume that anyone living in my father's house must be his worker.
That's the grammatical error you are making here.
Doing the father's will doesn't make you an angel.
Many men have done the will of the Father, but it did not make them angels.
On the other hand, if the verse says everyone who does the Father's will is an angel, then you will be right.
Let me give you another simple English example.
If I am a teacher, and I say, thanks to all my students that came to my house yesterday, does it mean anyone that came to my house yesterday is my student?
It's funny that you have to be extremely poor in grammar to belong to some organizations. If an organization will go about misrepresenting language just to get members, that is a very sick thing to do. It's evil. I hope this isn't the official explanation of your church because if it is, it tells everyone that your is a wicked organization that thrives on the stupidity of its members grin grin grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 11:41pm On Feb 20, 2025
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 1:30am On Feb 21, 2025
before and after Jesus was flesh,
His name is: "the Word of God", "the Word" for short:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word,
Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

there is no one above the Word of God except the Father


michael is one of the chief angels:

Dan_10:13  "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

God made everything through the word which of course includes the angels
nothing was made by Father alone:

Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

^^ showing that the Word is not made and is not a created angel


Jud 1:9  But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" 

could you imagine the Word of God not daring to pronounce judgment against the devil, of course not,
but michael did not dare
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:00am On Feb 21, 2025
tctrills:
Lol, you never grow out of this. How old are you now?
A true believer doesn't raise questions against the foundation of what he claims to believe so you don't believe in God or Bible you are just disguising among those claiming worshipers.
I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully to provide concrete evidence to back what Jesus said at John 3:16.
Misinformed churchgoers may hail you for attacking Jehovah's Witnesses with your questions but there is nothing in the Bible that really matters to you! wink

Here you are asking stupid questions:

tctrills:
Is it ok to take cocaine if not taking excessively?
Also, did the bible ever condemn Slavery, Gambling or underage marriage?
As you keep on asking stupid questions this is what a commentator told you:

Felimax:
Go and study your Bible very well. Love is the summary of it all. Where love is abundant those vices you mentioned will expire.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:44am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There are many spirit sons of God or angels in heaven and they are all called "morning stars" {Job 38:7} but one was singled out among the rest as "the bright morning star" {Revelations 22:16} he is called the Arch/Chief angel {Jude 9} this angel always represent God in the Old Testament as the angel of God {Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19} but the Bible call other angels as if they all belong to Archangel Michael and Satan being a rebellious spirit son also leads his cohorts who are rebels like him! Revelations 12:7

Whenever God makes any declaration in heaven it's Michael who often passes the message to other angels so they all respect him as the voice or word of God {John 1:1 compare to Revelations 19:13} that's why he jumps into action whenever any of his angels have issues with Satan the head of rebels! Daniel 10:13; Jude 9

Salvation of obedient mankind rests on the shoulder of this angel {Daniel 12:3} as he always takes the lead in doing what his father wants and his father has given him the power to raise the dead with just a call! 1Thessalonians 4:16 compare to John 5:28 and 11:43

So it's the same angel that was sent to us as Jesus!
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:08am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
A true believer doesn't raise questions against the foundation of what he claims to believe so you don't believe in God or Bible you are just disguising among those claiming worshipers.
I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully to provide concrete evidence to back what Jesus said at John 3:16.
Misinformed churchgoers may hail you for attacking Jehovah's Witnesses with your questions but there is nothing in the Bible that really matters to you! wink

Here you are asking stupid questions:



As you keep on asking stupid questions this is what a commentator told you:
As always, you are wrong. A true believer must keep asking.
But I totally get your position, you are not allowed to question anything that's why someone would tell you that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael and give you Psalms 103:20 as evidence and you will swallow it. There is a big difference between a son and a slave. A son is allowed to ask questions but you are not.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:20am On Feb 21, 2025
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=134231877][/quote]The bible never taught that angels are sons of God. Not in Job, not Anywhere. But the bible taught that men are sons of God
The bible called Angels servants of God.

Then the statement that whenever God makes a declaration, it's Michael that passes the message, that's clearly false. Let's see the verse you quoted to know if any of them taught this rubbish.
Revelations 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
From this, we learn that you are dishonest. The bible never taught that Michael passes messages to the other angels, you made that up.
Salvation rest on Christ not Angel Michael. The verse you quoted never mentioned Angel Michael.
Daniel 12:3

Please provide the verses that say that salvation rest on Michael or that he reveals Gods words to the other Angels. Thank you.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24am On Feb 21, 2025
tctrills:
As always, you are wrong. A true believer must keep asking.
But I totally get your position, you are not allowed to question anything that's why someone would tell you that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael and give you Psalms 103:20 as evidence and you will swallow it. There is a big difference between a son and a slave. A son is allowed to ask questions but you are not.
Olódo! cheesy

Is Nairaland (a faceless forum where their are antagonists of faith in Christ) your church where you are supposed to ask your TEACHERS what you don't understand?

Why do you think Jesus' disciples always ask him questions regarding what he is teaching them in private and not in the presence of antagonists? Matthew 13:10 ; 24:3

If truly you are a believer in Christ is it here on Nairaland that you should be asking contradicting questions against your own professed faith?

LIAR! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29am On Feb 21, 2025
tctrills:
The bible never taught that angels are sons of God. Not in Job, not Anywhere. But the bible taught that men are sons of God
The bible called Angels servants of God.

Then the statement that whenever God makes a declaration, it's Michael that passes the message, that's clearly false. Let's see the verse you quoted to know if any of them taught this rubbish.
Revelations 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
From this, we learn that you are dishonest. The bible never taught that Michael passes messages to the other angels, you made that up.
Salvation rest on Christ not Angel Michael. The verse you quoted never mentioned Angel Michael.
Daniel 12:3

Please provide the verses that say that salvation rest on Michael or that he reveals Gods words to the other Angels. Thank you.
Jehovah's Witnesses organization has answered your question as the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught {Matthew 28:19-20} so if you know a better performing group doing what Jesus taught present them because true Christians are Jesus' witnesses {Act 1:8} Jesus is Archangel Michael that's why his true disciples who are doing his work can't be questioned over whatever they say about the true identity of the spirit King who is leading them to do God's will in a world that is filled with contradictions! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:32am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Olódo! cheesy

Is Nairaland (a faceless forum where their are antagonists of faith in Christ) your church where you are supposed to ask your TEACHERS what you don't understand?

Why do you think Jesus' disciples always ask him questions regarding what he is teaching them in private and not in the presence of antagonists? Matthew 13:10 ; 24:3

If truly you are a believer in Christ is it here on Nairaland that you should be asking contradicting questions against your own professed faith?

LIAR! cheesy
Again, you must always enforce your opinion. Just one question my boy. Where is it written that we cannot ask religious questions in public?
And yes, I want the antagonists to hear these questions because as Christians we have nothing to hide. And it's an opportunity for them to learn when answers are provided.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:37am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses organization has answered your question as the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught {Matthew 28:19-20} so if you know a better performing group doing what Jesus taught present them because true Christians are Jesus' witnesses {Act 1:8} Jesus is Archangel Michael that's why his true disciples who are doing his work can't be questioned over whatever they say about the true identity of the spirit King who is leading them to do God's will in a world that is filled with contradictions! smiley
Lol
I love what you do whenever you can't provide answers. If you don't know who Jesus Christ is then you can never be Jehovah's witnesses. If you think Jesus Christ is Angel Michael then you are a witness of stupidity.
I use the word Stupidity because even without scriptural evidence, you still believe your nonsense.
We live by every word the proceed from the mouth of God. Not every word that proceed from some funny white guy.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:42am On Feb 21, 2025
tctrills:
Again, you must always enforce your opinion. Just one question my boy. Where is it written that we cannot ask religious questions in public?
And yes, I want the antagonists to hear these questions because as Christians we have nothing to hide. And it's an opportunity for them to learn when answers are provided.
Paul said:

"Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith" Hebrews 13:7

It's the Apostles of Christ that established Christianity and it's their footsteps we are following as we imitate their faith.

Do they use to question Jesus their teacher publicly?

NO!

This further buttress my point that you don't associate with any church because if you do that's where true believers will take their questions to in the midst of those who knows better than them not on a faceless forum where there are many antagonists of faith in Christ! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43am On Feb 21, 2025
tctrills:
Lol
I love what you do whenever you can't provide answers. If you don't know who Jesus Christ is then you can never be Jehovah's witnesses. If you think Jesus Christ is Angel Michael then you are a witness of stupidity.
I use the word Stupidity because even without scriptural evidence, you still believe your nonsense.
We live by every word the proceed from the mouth of God. Not every word that proceed from some funny white guy.
Try to make disciples with whatever you know nah! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:05am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Try to make disciples with whatever you know nah! cheesy
It's one thing to be a disciple, witness of Jehovah and another to be the witness of a confused white man. I choose the first.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:07am On Feb 21, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Paul said:

"Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith" Hebrews 13:7

It's the Apostles of Christ that established Christianity and it's their footsteps we are following as we imitate their faith.

Do they use to question Jesus their teacher publicly?

NO!

This further buttress my point that you don't associate with any church because if you do that's where true believers will take their questions to in the midst of those who knows better than them not on a faceless forum where there are many antagonists of faith in Christ! wink
Where is it written that the apostles never had public discussions and asked questions.
Or where you there with them. Stick to what you know my boy.
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