tollyboy5:

I won't agree totally with you. They might be varient but there's always some similarities. The farther they are from ijebu ode the varient their diaper become.
Epe and ijebu ode understand themselves well. Agoiwoyi , and remo with ikorodu might have little distinct

“The Ijebu sub-dialects just like every dialect/sub-dialect in the world are almost similar but also differentiated.”

Our clan is to large and we all speak one ijebu dialect

TAO11:
Okay, I won’t be mad then if you get this wrong.

Can you translate the following into Ijebu to the best of your knowledge. You can try translating in multiple ways though. It doesn’t have to be one way — but provided each is your best Ijebu attempt

“OYo is the King”

But again, it would be understandable if you’re not accurate since you admitted to not being fluent.

TAO11:
Why did you write exactly what I wrote but yet think you only partially agree with me?

My Reply:

Your Words which I replied:

JohnSin97:


Thunder fire you there and your stupid lie. Omo igbo radarada

gomojam:
Oyo r'oba.

tollyboy5:

Nobody allocated land to the ijebus. It was expansion of territory. My ancestor came to oko epe for hunting after Ogunmodede came in the first place to settle down.
Different wave of migration also happened after then from ijebu ode. I think aworis has gotten to Lagos island all this time.
My ancestors from 26ths awujala also came with slaves and his brothers to form lesser kingdoms around Epe.

TAO11:
Yay! You got it. Why did you think you’re not fluent.

I was educating an ignorant Benin some months ago on how the Ijebu dialect has retained some of the last words in ancient Yoruba language.

And how the English wor “is” (present Yoruba: “ni” ) have changed over time from “li” to “ni”, and that even prior to “li” it would have been “ri” has the Ijebu dialect has retained and now shows.

In other words, I was basically discussing the etymology of the word “Yoruba”.

From the imperial status of the ancient Oyo — Oyo is the kingt — Oyo r’Oba — Yoruba.

TAO11:
Bro. Ijebus are Yorubas. My ancestors are Ijebus and Aworis. Do not misinform people. Ask questions if you’re not very clear. Peace!

TAO11:
Land on Lagos island!

gomojam:
He doesn't know his priority now is to grab a book.

tollyboy5:

Yoruba is just a political name giving to us by the northerners. We are all Yoruba's but I'm trying to explain that , just like the way egun of badagry has different ancestral history the ijebus also has a different ancestral history from oduduwa.
Even though that doesn't make us not Yorubas but we should always tell the truth.
My aunt once told me years back that when she heard the itshekiri people spoke she thought they were ijebus.
I've met with an itshekiri girl many years back and she had Yoruba name and insisted that she is not Yoruba. She told me her dialet is different from Yoruba. I don't even know then that its similar to ijebus.
And the itshekiris has inhabit warri before the Ijaw people came. So its not a coincidence that the ijebu and the itshekiri might have similar ancestors. Then the oduduwa lineage would have been close to the ijebu lineage from where they migrated from.
As far as I'm concern we are yorubas but not oduduwa decent .

tollyboy5:

I dont read to protect statue quo. I read to understand and know actual truth. Any words that seems not to favor oduduwa lineage of Yoruba people is seen as rubbish.
Is that what you're proving also? How come tao11 refer to ijebus has preserving the the old Yoruba dialect even when we know ijebu dialect is a varient from the popularly know yoruba dialect. Recent research shows the itshekiri to speak a more ancient ijebu than we even do.

Oyo should be the ones people should study to know the Yoruba original dialect or better still ife people not ijebu

I even wonder if you've read actually and did some research. I've heard stories and also read. Stories from royal family not anyhow story.
Eweso Dede omoalaro

TAO11:
No Northerner named my ancestors, but if you think Northerners named yours, then who am I to object?

tollyboy5:

No matter the variant history I've heard about how the word Yoruba came to be. Even the Yoruba's are not yet consistent with the actual fact. The term Yoruba became general name during the colonial times.
And it doesnt change the fact that ijebus are not from oduduwa/ile ife.

I only search for truth. Aworis are the ones who has ife link. Egun of badagry are Yoruba's also. They see theirself as one with the egun at Benin republic. So as the way ijebu see themselves as one ijebu in Lagos and Ogun state

TAO11:
Someone has already pointed out whom you are. So no need talking much to you. Have fun trolling.

Refer to my comment at this link for details on the Itsekiri people.

cc: gomojam

TAO11:
Someone has already pointed out whom you are. So no need talking much to you. Have fun trolling.

cc: gomojam

TAO11:
Imagine the following statements

Egba people are originally Chinese.

Oduduwa was the first person to fry dodo.

Obatala is from old-England originally.

Does the mere fact that I typed these statements make them true?

In respect to all your statements, this analogy should help you to realize the difference between making a claim and proving the claim with evidence.

Two different things.

Cheers!

gomojam:
Have you now seen what we've been pointing out? The impostor is trying to sow a seed of discord among us. I have always wondered why they like choosing Ijebu for such agenda. What's your opinion.

tollyboy5:

You're the one who is not being factual. You might be right about the Yoruba origination.
I'm talking about a broader part of history.
We never fell from the sky and the the western Africans are migrant from the east afrika.
Ijebus are from the nile of of Egypt.
And trying to do research on the the biblical Canaanite who's son was jebus.
And the the bible tagged them jebusite.
We all knew the sons of ham were the ancestor of many Africans.
I'm just trying to establish fact and you're here pursuing the "Yoruba" agenda.
I'm not saying I'm not Yoruba but let do our research in peace

TAO11:
Imagine the following statements

Egba people are originally Chinese.

Oduduwa was the first person to fry dodo.

Obatala is from old-England originally.

Does the mere fact that I typed these statements make them true?

In respect to all your statements, this analogy should help you to realize the difference between making a claim and proving the claim with evidence.

Two different things.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Nobody said Yorubas fell from the sky. That’s not Yoruba history. That’s Yoruba mythology. (You May be hearing the word fro the gist time)

Every culture of the world have their mythology side-by -side their history.

Your comments shows you’re ignorant of too many basic things — that it would take me several free hours to rid you of ignorance.

But I don’t have such time to divert into a project that will most likely end up failing.

As you may have realized, I an you have very little in common.

Ask me questions instead of pretending to want to match me. I may entertain your questions.

tollyboy5:


http://www.limelitehotels.com/ijebu-origin-and-history-20-amazing-facts-about-the-ijebus/

Since you claim to know more about history. Go do your proper findings. Ijebu origin is not yet established.

I gave real life evidence that itshekiri speak similar ijebu language. You mean its not actual fact
Have even moved with itshekiri people to know what I'm saying.
The reason ijebu people need to taking serious is because we've seen more evidence that we migrated from Sudan.

I'm trying to establish connection with the middle east. The ancient Egyptians were people of color so as the earliest Israel.
Jebusite descendant of jebus are inhabited Jerusalem and the city names was jebus.
Now after the conquest of Israel by the roman empire it only make more sense for more people to migrate down deep to Africa.
History is distorted and whites claimed the Israelite ran to Europe. The jebus who lived with the jews knew their ancestors were conquered. And still maintain their identity despite the city name change to Jerusalem.
Till now the ijebu people see themselves as ijebu despite being Yoruba.
Do you think it happened by mistake. We refer ourself as omo-ijebu pronounced as "omo-jebu"
I'm not after the normal Igbo vs Yoruba rubbish I'm trying as much to establish a more larger fact.
Instead of people to use the advantage to do more search on Yoruba origin they're forcing us to accept the oduduwa story

TAO11:
Oga carry your self to one corner. You’re repeating blog posts that I came across over a decade ago and you call that research. And who said Itsekiri dialect is not similar to Ijebu — you probably seem to have just stumbled upon that information. No wonder it intoxicates you even though no one was discussing that.

See, like I have said — you have heaped a lot of ignorance that it will take me hundreds of hours to break down for you. And provided you know you’re ignorant.

The worst ignorance is being ignorant and also ignorant that you’re ignorant. That’s what I see here.

You keep directing me to make research, how many peer reviewed arrival of the Journal of Historical Society of Nigeria do you have?? Lol.

Ijebus are not Sudanese. My spouse is a Sudanese and all those recent Ijebu claims of Sudanese is bull-crap.

The tradition of the Ijebu as they came from Ife was revorder in 1919 by the indigenous D.O. Epega. What about the speech of a certain Ijebu man in refutation of Obadiah Johnson submission in 1901. Or what about the admission of the then Seriki of Ijebu to the Hindereer’s team in the 1800s that Ife is the home? And many more.

I see I am not sure what to begin educating you from. I am Ijebu, and I doubt you are.

And if you think you are I will I will ask you to translate just one Ijebu word right here and you will be exposed.

Etinosa1234:
So Tao11 don marry sef

Precolonial map of west africa
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0
You want to get rid of the myths: then first start telling yourself the truth concerning Benin and Lagos.
For your info, Lagos was a part of Benin Kingdom, like many nigerians you confuse Benin Kingdom with its capital Benin city.
I totally join you in throwing away myths, but are you really ready for the truth ? Well your answer to this comment will inform me.

tollyboy5:

:p I'll take my time to do more research. But don't force your idea on all ijebus.
If you you have any recommend book for me to read I'll do that when I'm free.
Shalom

tollyboy5:

Olosho! you dey expect all this knowledge from babe?
I know sey mama de mama she be. Na ijebu blood go dey flow 4 her body.

But I no go accept her ife claim of ijebu people.
As a scientist who has interest in history I will try as much to do more archaeological search in future.
History is too deep for only historians to compile with no scientific investigation or DNA test. No carbon dating.

JohnSin97:
The general public should note that tollyboy5 is a ret@rded imposter from Igbo land claiming to be ijebu, ignore the brainlet and his stupid agenda.

gregyboy is another stupid ret@rded impostor claiming to be edo but peddling stupid falsehood around... the bastard is Igbo, an Ipob specie to be precise.

It's pathetic that Igbos out of desperation and inferiority complex have decided to go around peddling falsehood about the Yoruba culture all while their culture gradually goes into extinction... totally pathetic and disgraceful
Kindly avoid their stupidity.

tollyboy5:

Just because Benin conquered a small ancient Lagos you want to change history with picture
You must be joking

Explain to me how does a conquered settlement mean no one was there?
By the way it was a tiny portion of the the present Lagos that was under the Benin kingdom. The dahomy and ijebu don't have anything to do with Benin and they're part of the present day Lagos state so what are you trying to prove?

Is it because our ijebu war lords decided not to interfere in the Benin business thats why we did not conquered the ancient Lagos.
Our clan is to large and we all speak one ijebu dialect so we're powerful self sufficient enough. Go ask your grand parents