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[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=460850.msg6266154#msg6266154 date=1277257195]@pres-elect,

You have started to argue again, not based on reality but emotion. Please tell us if Tony Hayward or Obama is responsible for the following.

1. Temporarily lifting the Jones Act to allow help from other nations immediately following the disaster.
2. Who was responsible for turning down help from other countries immediately following the disaster?
3. Who did not provide Louisiana the needed permit to protect their shores following the spill?
4. Who awarded this particular rig a top safety award?
5. Who is responsible to guard the US Coast from events such as this?
6. Who declared that he is in charge of the response?
7. Who makes the final decision on what approach is adopted to fight the spill?

The answer to ALL the above is Obama. So how could he have the time for all that partying and Tony Hayward can't even take one weekend off to spend with his family?

While BP will be paying for the cleanup (and rightly so if I may add), one can only wonder, what about the billions they have paid in taxes? Shouldn't some of that have been set aside to deal with this kind of inevitability that comes from pushing the oil companies into the sea when we have abundant sources of oil on land?[/quote]grammar
BP is responsible for this spill and they should pay for it as you accept. there is no law against tony hayward going on vacation, but all i said is that given the circumstances . . it is inappropriate. if i were in his shoes, i would rather go on vacation in england, away from the US. doing it here looks like insult upon injury.
but in your characteristic manner, the only way to justify what he did is to say obama went on holiday too. as long as Obama is attacked, blamed, berated . . its all good for you . . I understand. . . there are people i hate too . . and i feel the same way about them too . . infact i'm begining to suspect that someone is behind all this problems obama is having. note that there is only one top foreing policy official that mccrystal did not insult . . . hmmmn, i smell a rat

@all
thanks for your comment
@montelik
i did not just play the race card. i asked a question. is it bc he is black? note that it wasnt the only question i asked. i also asked if it was bc he is a democrat. and just a little correction, gen mcarthur was fired by harry truman(democrat) whom he overtly disrespected.
@tayo
showing his frustration by throwing ''this stunt'' to the ''community organizers'' in the WH makes him what? he has disrespected himself. if obama (in his delusion as pretend jesus the saviour of the world) decides to keep him, that makes obama grand(not to me) and him so little.
what issued did he raise? biden bite me? jones a clown from the 80s? even other generals(who dont have regard for obama anyway, stand with obama o this issue. this is not about the issues he raised(if any) but about military tradition and constitution of the US. he failed and failed woefully.
@kobojunkie
he did not raise any issues here. he just insulted the civilian authorities. he has no case really. by the way, i agree with the statement about dead end policies in afghanistan. that is classical obama playing to the republicans. . . . . . .Pull Out of that Country.
@metal-gong
you should have read the whole post. dont just read one line and rave and rant. i asked questions. what the general did was so unbelievable that all questions have to be on the table. but u selected one and showed your innermost character.
@all
if a general is fed up with a president, what he needs to do is to resign. that is what top generals with intergrity do. resign and then feel free to criticise.he failed the military tradition.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=460850.msg6265235#msg6265235 date=1277242824]@dayokanu,
So tell me, what do you think of Obama who has been playing golf, having parties, playing basketball and watching soccer during what he called "an unprecedented ecological disaster of our time"?[/quote]obama was not responsible for the spill. he happens to be president when it happened. but for the CEO(?) of BP, the guys who caused the spill, who had earlier complained that he wants his life back, now going for some sort of ''exclusive relaxation'' is inappropriate, to say the least.

now i know you hate Obama for winning the election, but there is little he can do to change the spill other than to push BP and hold them responsible. why? bc the fed govt is supposed to be like the tea party wants it . . less govt interference with private enterprise . . . less govt spending . . . .when private enterprise messes up, the govt should only attempt to hold them responsible for it, not fix it with tax payer money. the deficit is too much. You can join mr barton to apologise to BP for govt interference if you like

another reason why obama must act. i hope he wont go with his usual delusion as a ''uniter'' to attempt to find a ''middleground''. this guy must be fired otherwise the world will see Obama as a weak weak leader which most people(including me) see him as already.

this is what happens when a leader is soft. i remember this guy made some unprofessional comments in the past and was pardoned by the great uniter Obama . . . and now this . . .

this shows absolutely no regards for the president.
is it bc Obama is black or is it bc Obama is a democrat?
what is it about the military, that they always disregard democratic presidents (except FDR)?


If Obama doesnt fire this guy, then I will have no regard for him either.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/stanley-mcchrystal-top-us_n_620567.html

thinga are getting better . . . .  
things are getting better . . . .  
for the lord is on the throne,
things are getting better,
things are getting better,
things are getting better,
alleluia

now those of us who still think we are a good team are convinced that the team is poor and 150million nigerians now know that we are not good. confirmed. we can now start working hard and start early to prepare for the world cup/ANC  

amodu shuaibu is lucky he didnt have to eat this sh1t

stop rejoicing. argentina and greece still have to move on. let's go home now. the earlier better.

we are going home today

blessed are the hopeless, for they shall not be disappointed

i have no hope in todays game. let's go home. better for us. we'll start from the scratch, with local coach

finally we shall be going home today   i hope the koreans beat the hell out of eagles. at least 2-0  
that way we shall be convinced that we need to do something about our soccer.

take a lesson from france. it's either the run to the final(and possibly win the cup) or they get eliminated in the first round. since 1986. that way they realise there is a problem and have better preparation for next time and they eventually do well.

@negro
wether hot or cold welcome, welcome is welcome. but next time if you want to ''resign'' from nairaland, do so privately. dont announce it. there is no award for resigning from nl

JeSoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_P5jOoDDbI

Usually, I default to the side of law enforcement here in the US because of the incredibly tough and dangerous situations they go through every day, BUT this was a gross over reaction by the cop. Pulling his arm back, loading up, and delivering a full blown swing and landing a full punch straight on the face of a teenage girl wow

She will sue and she will win and even rake in more money by making the circuit on TV/radio talk shows.

once again i disagree with you jesoul. the girl showed herself to be a tout. she was breaking the law by jaywalking. then she broke the law again by resisting arrest. the police regulations allow officers to use force when arrest is resisted. since she is a lady the officer felt he could use physical force to control her. unfortunately he had to use such physical force. as someone asked, would you rather he tasered her? NAACP should teach the girl to obey laws before wasting their money on lawsuits that they most likely would loose.

agaba mkpum i ka di ndu? anuru m na i gbara okada from london to south africa, the okada emebie na sahara desert. olee ete ishi survive-o the thing?

una no go kill me for this we nairaland

abeg na which one be ''guilty civilians'' vs ''innocent civilians''

kai, my people go kaita me with laff

the only luck the republicans have is that the democrats are idiots and obama is delusional.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=460850.msg6234970#msg6234970 date=1276807624]The call by White House for an escrow account is a good one but the net needs to be extended beyond just BP. There has been many oil spills in past, there are many more in future and the likelihood that they will impact life, property and environment is just as predictable. The order from the White House should be a blanket over the oil industry, mandating that, as a practical matter, each of the big oil corporations immediately set up a "contingency escrow" going forward.

On a different but relevant point, BP is one of the pioneers of Carbon Emissions Trading in Europe and was forefront on the effort to introduce into the US markets. Using the Cap and Trade model put forward couple of months ago by White House, it is easy to see that BP is miles deep in carbon deficits already and the well is still gushing. So how would they recover, where do you think they get the offsets to obtain a market balance?

A new wave of colonialism (terrorism) is about to hit the globe. This time it will be run by corporations subsidising one market with the output forcibly sustained in another.[/quote]negro? i thot you resigned from nairaland? welcome back . . . . . i'm pleased to inform you that you were not missed . . . . . . . at all

JeSoul:
So the leadership is not saying anything officially on the matter just yet?

I welcome the development, was just suprised to see BP cooperating so easily. I agree the spill should take front row and BP has to allocate as much resources as possible in the containment and clean-up.

and i hope your friend tayo d will agree that BP should pay for what they did? if this explosion did not happen, BP would have made money and nobody will hear of it, but when trouble happens they want the govt to bear the cost. and tayo d and his republican cohorts have forgotten all about small govt and personal responsibility. john boehner says govt is responsible for the spill and should pay( he later changed his view while denying he ever made the initial statement) bachmann attacks obama for ''harrassing'' BP , congressman barton openly apologised to BP for the $20b that BP agreed to pay, calling it a shakedown . . . mr bobby jindal wants louisiana govt to spend money to clear the spill (tax payer money to clean private enterprise mess , what happened to small govt ) these republicans are shameless but you know what, they deserve to win the next round of elections bc even though the republicans are shameless, the democrats are stupid

na wa o, i'm sure toshman went to south africa for this world cup

ooops, he cant . . . he is still looking for a job in the US

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=446205.msg6106045#msg6106045 date=1275015861]I hope you are ready to work through the red tape when you need to give someone a life saving operation in South Dakota, but have to wait for Obama's approval in Washington.[/quote]yes mr tayo, obama will even have to approve before any illness happens to anyone then he will approve before one goes to a hospital, then he will approve before any one is treated and just incase some patient decides to die, obama has to approve otherwise that patient will die illegally and as an illegal corpse he or she will have no death certificate. perhaps a certificate of life death will be issued as compensation but no death certificate

so jindal will spend the money of louisiana taxpayer to clean up the state? why? louisiana has a lot of deficit and needs to cut the spending. it shouldnt matter what problem it is, the state govt needs to reduce spending so they dont indebt the future generation. dont you think so? jindaal has been good all this while, rejecting stimulus money(which was secretly accepted ) bc the state needs to reduce spending . . . he was against healthcare bc it involved too much spending( even though thousands of people were dying due to lack of health insurance) yet he wants to spend money to remove oil sarah spill (which is good o, but hypocritical )

you mean remembering the victims of failed diplomacy or the victims of militatry industrial complex and war hawks?

everyday we hear of the soldiers as ''americas best'', yet no president will send his or her child to be among ''america's best''

no, the government should not be involved. its a recession,it will cost a lot of money, the govt cant afford it. no. this is BP's business and the BP should take care of it. it shouldnt matter that the people may suffer what matters is that the govt cant afford it. if 44,000 americans die every yr bc they dont have health insurance and the govt is not to intervene in private matters, why should the govt intervene in private company oil spill? it shouldnt matter if the whole gulf coast is wiped. as long as it is in the realm of private enterprise then the private enterprise should take care of it. after all this isnt a natural disaster like katrina where no private enterprise like BP or Humana may be blamed.

govt should only take care of govt affairs like wars, military, border security, justice, etc and not oil spill cleaning

small govt all the way

i'm loving it . . . . it really feels good to be a republican

who be ezeh frank ekeh and where be woji

@mariory
the greatest honor history can bestow man is the title of peacemaker_______Richard Nixon 20th january 1969

let us get this right, the govt should spend tax payers money to clear a mess made by BP? what happened to too much spending? what happened to deficit? now bobby jindal will spend tax payer money to clean up a BP mess. why? the govt should clean up it's own mess; reform the regulatory body responsible for regulating the oil industry. that is what govt should do.

o yes, is that not what the conservatives have always wanted. less govt interference with private business?
ahaaaa, the govt should be involved in this case bc it affects american citizens huh? private enterprise is affecting US citizens therefore the govt should be involved, isnt it? wait a minute, this is familiar:
when private companies(big oil) ''misbehaves'' and citizens are affected. the govt should intervene but
when private companies(insurance industry) ''misbehaves'' and citizens are affected(44,000 deaths yrly due to not having insurance) the govt should not intervene

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ;Dhahahahaha . . ha ha ha ha ha ha

spill baby spill . . . . . . .

that woman is an idiot . . . her supporters? . . . . . . . . brainless

indeed you lived your years

the north as one unit, no longer exists. OBJ tore it apart. and if that wasnt enough, jos did the rest. we now have the xtian north and the islamic core north. the xtian north will very much support the south

that will not happen unfortunately

exactly ihe ha need-iri

i'll take sarah palin any day anytime over that crooked sec of state

at least sarah is pretty (shhh, dont tell jesoul i said that) and sarah is funny too, due to real or feigned ignorance, that helps my blood pressure

correct me if i'm wrong. this is what i heard. and i'm sure i understand english well well well well and i know what this question and its reply mean
question:but would you favor taking over of bp if that became necessary?
ans: sure, that's up to the president to decide. .

educate me abeg

and talking about jindal, why does he want the fed govt and BP to do something about the spill? why does he want louisiana govt to do something about the mess brought by private company? why? will he use LA tax payers money to solve the problem created by private enterprise?

those who want Obama to solve this BP-sarah-spill-baby-spill-mess, dont they know that decades of small govt means that govt is not capable of solving this mess. they want obama to now be the punch bag when the feds come in and are unable to stop a mess by BP abi?

small govt indeed. small govt only when govt wants to help poor people or minorities

spill baby spill

she's baaaaaaaaack . . . . . . . my secret lover lovee

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/24/nation/la-na-palin-oil-20100524

she says obama's ties to oil is what has led to his ''poor response'' to the gulf oil crisis . . .
dear sarah
when will you have brains? perhaps you dont need it, you have the money that brains cant get or perhaps you got the brains-to use and decieve the tea fools into thinking you are there for them while you make your millions off their support

ok, here: the crisis in the gulf was brought by a free enterprise organisation and not govt or natural disaster. so what about get your govt off our mess? . . oooops

you and old john got more than obama did from oil during the campaign
now that obama wants to reform the regulating arm of govt will your cronies in congree agree?

o sarah get some brains . . . .
spill baby spill . . . . . . . . .

                      this woman is an idiot

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