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OneJ:
SERIAL. LIAR, U dodged the questions labelled. "A to E" that 'Peacefullove' asked U on the thread for hellfire topic.
That topic is still trending on this (religion) section of NL.



Previously, U asked me "Who then is Jesus Christ?" My reply was that "I wonder if your brain go fit reason on the answer Matt16:13-17. "You are the Christ. The son of the son of the Living God", Christ said his Father revealed it to Simon Peter.



U threw shades at me rather than confirm what U read in Matt 16:13-17 ( Go read your response in No 11 of this thread).


U usually resort to shades & spurious claims rather than respond to questions put to U.
Stop lying, Oga Primesky.


"We are not stoning you for any of these", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man,claim to be God"..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I AM GOD'S SON" John 10:33-36.

The Jews made the false allegation that Jesus "claim to be God".
Jesus replied them that he is God's son.

Don't get it twisted


"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". John 3:16.
Oga, this Truth is so unpalatable to your ears, go remove am from your Bible na !

Angel na son of God , Jesus Christ na son of God, man na son of God. Until U beg Baba God to give U sense of understanding, your brain no go reset.

Trinity is a man made fallacy. A lie remains a lie, whether U call am Godhead, 3 in 1, 1 in 3 etc.
(Matt 28:19 no call am 3 in 1. Una go forge the lie put for 1 John 5:7kjv, make eee for sweet well well. What a dubious forgery!)
If U like keep throwing shade , U just dey waste your time.

I never dogded any question. I left it because you people are master twisters. If one gives you a passage, you will quickly twist it to defend the lie you profess. The lies of your group is too much, I opened a thread to discuss it, you all avoided it like a plague.

Every question peacefullove have asked there I have answered them before. Yet it keeps revolving along the same line. But thank God for those among you who have come out of that cult, who made it clear to me how you guys operate. That's why many Christians don't waste time arguing with you guys, the subtlety is beyond normal. If it's to convince you, I won't. I will pray God do that, because only the Holy Spirit whom you guys have rejected will help you. I will only reply you guys when I know you're misleading people here.


Oh Lord!, look at at what I'm saying again. See how you've twisted the passage you quoted above.

Why did the Jew's pick up stones?. Because Jesus said He is the Son of God. Jesus asked them, many good works I gave done, for which one do you want to stone me, and they said not for those but for calling yourself the son of God. And the bible clearly explained how they inteterpreted that. But see how you twisted it, and left out the flesh. So the naive person will think you're right. May God deliver his children from such wickedness you guys are perpetuating.


John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Follow the build up of that story above. The action of the Jews was not out of ignorance. Who else goes by the title ' the Son Of God's as if He Aline is the son of God. But we all are God's sons. It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept, and it's a shame. Stop twisting scriptures.

The only liar I can see here is the one who blantanly denies that Jesus Christ is not only the Son if God, but also God. That is the liar I can see. Because the bible said it, but he denies it. Since the bible can't lie, then they are the liars!.

[quote author=Maamin post=70403414][/quote]Oh the Jews erroneously thought he was blasphemous. Indeed!

I have said before, as long as you guys don't believe not understand the way and things of the spirit,even as you guys do not believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit, it will be difficult for you to grasp this truths. Look at how you're interpreting the picture/image example, purely human, is as if I'm talking to a complete unbeliever. Now, the image is one and the same person, but different capacity and ability. Don't forget we're talking about a spirit being here. I once gave example of this using water, ice and vapour, and I said, that though they be one, they're have different roles and capacities, but are one and the same. How difficult is that to understand?. Oh Lord please have mercy on your people.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

If there exist a Godhead, what or who make up the Godhead?. We are the body of Christ, and He is the head of the church. If the Godhead dwells in Him bodily, who and who make up the Godhead according to the scriptures?.

Will you also say the writer erroneously wrote that?.

OneJ:
In heaven & earth, Jesus is God's son. He called his Father "the only true God" & identified himself as the only begotten son of God .

Almighty God has no Father but Christ has a Father. Christ has a God he prays to & worship. Every son is like his Father. Therefore, Christ is the image of God.(he go resemble him Father na ! )

No level of mumu & Forgery (of 1 John 5:7, 1 Tim3:16, Rev 1:11, (Exodus 3:14 "I will become" (is not "I am that i am", Col2:9 & Romans 1:20 KJV (deity/divine can never mean "Godhead" except LIE LIE na your middle name) will change the Truth.

These are incontrovertible FACTS U should frankly research on rather than throw shade & attack the message.
Shalom

You see your problem?. I should research from men to understand he word of God. Meanwhile Jesus promised that His Holy Spirit will come and guide us to truly know Him and the mystery of God's kingdom.

But as for you guys, you said one must only listen to Watch Tower as the only source of truth, what more does anybody need to ask about your authenticity?.

You depend on the wisdom of the flesh to explain my God, sorry you failed woefully!. Jesus is the Son of God, and also God Himself. Uncreated creator. Better come out of this belief, because only the devil maintains such position.

For your information, everything Jesus did, his praying to God, his fellowship with God and everything else, He did it to show us example of how to do it. He literally stripped Himself of His glory, so as to teach and show us the way. The moment He opined that He was God by saying He was the son of God,whuch obviously means more than being just a son, the jews picked up stones to kill Him, that you won't see, rather, is to plunge head first in anti Christ stance, and you don't even know it.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Who is the above passage talking about?.

If there is a Godhead, what or who makes up the body?. Before you twist it, we Christians are the body of Christ, and Christ is the head of the church. Now if the Godhead dwells in Him bodily, who and what makes up the body.

Please stop reveling in ignorance. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and also God.

If want to know this truth, consult the Holy Spirit, else you will keep beating about the bush. No body can explain God to you except Him by His Holy Spirit, no search engine will do it, that's why He gave us His Holy Spirit, but you guys have denied Him, and have reduced Him in your heart to a 'mere force'. Who will then show you who God is?. Repent quickly!

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad you brought up the matter of calling it its real name.
Unfortunately, homosexuality isnt its real name
In fact, the word homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually is a word that is barely 200 years old.

The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that the word "homosexual" was first printed in a book in 1869, and then placed in the Bible in 1946.

Now this new information, begs the following questions
1/ What is the real name?
2/ What is or were the original words translated as "homosexual" or "homosexuality"?

Homosexuality or being gay is few and far in between
Less than 10% of the 7.6 billion world population is gay

Homosexuality or being gay is an anomaly, God hasnt a problem with it

I am quite sure you "dont" lie
and you dont accept lying as a normal thing because the devil is a liar too.
Remember the lie to Eve

This is a lie from the pit of hell because it wasnt because sheer homosexuality that God had Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed.

The bible, in Ezekiel 16:48-50, lets us know that, the cup of God's wrath for Sodom and Gomorrah was full
because Sodom and Gomorrah was arrogant and spoiled;
they had everything they needed and still refused to help the poor and needy.
They thought they were better than everyone else, and that they did things God hates
(i.e. they committed abomination before God)

The $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
what correctly, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)
The person with the first right answer gets a prize

Booted penalty kick in to throw in, that is what happens when you are ill-informed
As a matter of fact, what happened in Romans 1:24-27 still happens in India

What are we discussing here, a man having sexual attraction for his fellow man, isn't it?. And you say God has nothing wrong with that?. Like seriously?!.

You could claim there wasn't any word for it in the bible days, but the bible clearly condemned such practices.


Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


Can anybody deny the above scriptures, as clear as it is?. Sexual relationship or put plainly, having sex, or even sexual urge for the same sex, is in the bible word, 'vile affection, unseemly, and lust'. Do you say God has nothing wrong with that?. Is anybody confused about what that passage is talking about?. Bestiality, lesbianism and homosexuality is all captured there. No excuses.

The point is homosexuality or being gay is abnormal, just as lying, stealing, murder etc are sinful and unacceptable to God. If anybody then is affected by this 'vile affection', he/she must run to the one who alone can deliver from such. But it all begins with seeing it for what it is.

Now concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, I repeat what I said. One of the reasons they where destroyed is because of homosexuality. Even the passage you quoted said 'spoiled', but you chose to extract only what suits you now'. These guys wanted to have sex with the angels of God who came in human form!. Read your Bible well. The question is, where did that urge come from?. Did it just began instantly as the angels came there?. No!. It was a practice, this aming other sins, lead to there destruction. Read the verse below and understand.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.


How did Lot describe the act?, 'wicked'. Do you then say now that such an act is normal, and God won't border about it?, I strongly disagree.

Gay/homosexuality is evil, fight it. It's an abomination!. No argument can support it as far as godly standard is concerned.

Jesus can save.

Any body who claims to be a believer of Jesus, God and the bible, who doesn't accept or believe that Jesus Christ is God, is absolutely not a believer at all!.

You can say what you like, the bible remains true to itself. The only person I know who will split hairs on this matter in arguing against it, is Satan himself!. He has always tried to deny the deity of Jesus Christ right from when Jesus was here on earth.

Only God Himself can reveal this truth to people. Human arguments will amount to nothing. But I stand boldly and confident to say, Jesus is God. Nothing and nobody can change this raw truth!. If you want to the truth, then get baptised in the Holy Spirit, else no way!.

I think he is wrong going by what God said in the bible.

Let's be careful people, that we're in a period of grace does not mean we can live any how. Common experience should teach us that.

If you offend your friend or spouse or whoever you're in a relationship with, whether it was intentional or not, isn't it normal for you to say sorry for the wrong you did?. Do you say o, because he's my paddy man, no need?. What nonsense is that?. If your friend offends you, and fails to apologize even when he realises his mistakes, what will you say, it means he did it deliberately to hurt you. Do you do such to the one you love?. Hasn't such occurrences ruined once thriving relationships?.

Then let's look at what the Lord said in the bible.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Again, why did the Bible warn us to watch lest we fall?. So if you then fall, how do you get up?.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Was the above warning to unbelievers or to believers?. Obviously, it's for believers!.

The doctrine of once said, always saved is false, absolutely!. Otherwise the above scripture wouldn't be necessary.

We must take heed not to misapply grace.

Grace is free, but grace is not cheap. Don't make grace what it's not!.

bloodofthelamb:
REPENTANCE MEANS CHANGING ONES MIND/BELIEVE. FOR INSTANCE: JEHOVAH WITNESS USE TO BELIEVE CHRIST IS A CREATED BEING.

SUDDENLY, THEY START BELIEVING THAT CHRIST IS NOT A CREATED BEING, AND THAT HE IS THE CREATOR.

REPENTANCE HAS TAKEN PLACE THROUGH THEIR CHANGE OF BELIEVE.

Have the Jehovah witnesses really stopped believing that lie like you said?. I ask because their members on nairaland here are still very much upholding that believe, misquoting and misinterpreting scriptures to justify their believe.

Freemasonry itself is a religion!.

All I see is a people who are tired of religion, looking for respite and peace. If that describes you, I will like to welcome you to the way of life and peace.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Following him is not religion, rather it's having a personal relationship. I welcome you to a life of dynamic fellowship and relationship with Jesus Christ. This and only this guarantees peace and rest.

Join illuminati and go to hell?.

What shall it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and lose his soul in hell?.

Let's even assume you can gain the whole world. Become popular, rich, influncial and what else?, have lots of women to play with, right?. For how many years?. After that, you suffer endlessly for all endless eternity. Is it worth it?.

See, the devil is not stupid. Whatever he knows he can give you to damn your soul, he will give it if he can. He doesn't have anybody's interest at heart, never!.

Will you be tempted?, yes you will!. Remember, Satan tempted Jesus along the same line. He said if you will bow down and worship me, I will give you the kingdoms of the world. Have you asked yourself at what cost?.

Nobody should toy with hell o, no matter the temptation here. It's not a place one can describe. Work hard, keep hope alive, do your best and you will make clean money, live peacefully and secure your soul in heaven. That's the real goal.

Jesus is the way. Say no to Illuminati!. Many in it are looking for a way to get out of it amidst death threats, they've seen everything you're looking for, and have discovered it's not worth it!. No peace, no freedom, always monitored like a prisoner.

Salvation is now. Jesus saves!

LordReed:
Does it not reinforce that belief?

First of all, let's call it the real name, homosexuality!. For me I think the comparison is off.

We were born in sin, that's correct, but that wasn't athe design or plan if God for man. Hence, Jesus came to redeem us, and restore us back to the original state.

Homosexuality or being gay, is a great error and confusion. The bible said, God made them male and female. Eve was made for Adam. Never accept homosexuality as normal thing, that's a lie from the devil. This was one of the reasons why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and burned down the city with everything in it. God has not, and will never condone homosexuality.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Why is the devil and his stooges so obsessed with trying to discredit the work of grace by Jesus Christ?.

The victory has been worn, the kingdom of darkness has been defeated!. All this is just a waste if time, because Jesus has over come.

Jesus conquered death, grave and hell. He made a public spectacle of Satan and his hosts. He rose again and gave us the victory and power over them. That's why somebody like me can make a piece meal of the devil. If Jesus didn' and rose again, why do demons scamper when true believers call on the name. Imagine what just calling someones name does to them?. So I laugh when people in defense of nonsense come up to say absolute nonsense.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh, was born as a human by a virgin, He lived and died on the cross for me and all who choose to believe in Him. He rose triumphantly as He said He would. The proof is displayed every where despite the doubters.

Jesus has over come the world.

jokerr:
This story book called bible is just one very big story with magic, slavery, stupidity, etc embedded in it as lessons.
...someone will wake up one morning and tell me DAT a whale swallowed a human being and spit him out alive after some days...
...one book will tell me DAT a man was killed and den came back to life after three days , is he tom and Jerry...
....or someone will tell me that there is a place filled with fire for people who do not share their madness...
its so funny how the human mind is still enslaved ....

You need to be transformed by receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior. Outside this, the bible will continue to be a story book to you.

The bible is the most accurate prophetic book any where in the world. Everything it says will happen happen with precise accuracy. It's only a joker who will say it's a mere story book.

The bible is the infallible word of God.

Repent and receive Jesus Christ. Salvation is now!.

Maamin:
Jesus is the Son of God. Stop having problem with that.

Your picture looks exactly like you but it is not you in substance(flesh and blood).

Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth. Jesus was sent by someone higher in power and authority than him.

Trinity is not biblical and will never be.

Shalom Aleikhem

Your believe. Which one is speaking from both sides of the mouth. Do you understand what you're replying. Is God flesh and blood?. Oh Lord!, you can never understand the scriptures with canal mind, it won't work!. If your picture is you, is there any difference between you both?. More so, if such comparison is along spiritual lines. It's true we have baby Christians.

You guys don't understand this thing, yet you're the ones taking it overboard.

Why did the Jews seek to stone Jesus?. By claiming He is 'the Son of God', they said, He made himself equal with God, which for them is blasphemy, and for that, they sort to kill Him. Did you see that in your Bible?. Jesus is the son of God, means more than you naturally interpret it. You need the word of God revealed to you to understand this.


Since we have Christians of different level of maturity, and exposure and encounter with God, worse of, those who do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, I will purse on this subject. My worry is seeing the false religion of Jehovah witness coming here to spew absolute falsehood all the while pretending to be true. All the questions I asked them, they couldn't answer. They dodge those ones because it exposes their false religion. But they're fast with scripture twisting.

May God save His people from subtle lies cloaked in human reasoning.

Peacefullove:
Good, Just apply the above to yourself, you need it. This same ignorance is the reason why you could not attempt those questions tagged A to E in my previous post.

Here they are again


A.. Did God told Adam he will go to a mythical hellfire ?

B. The City of Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the same Everlasting fire that Satan and his demons will suffer ... Are those cities Burning forever or destroyed from existing ?

Be bold enough to attempt this

C. The question C arise after you quote a verse and IGNORANTLY assume its some mythical spirit in prison, Jesus preach to some spirits in Hell .

Now my question is:

Are this spirits dead humans in the days of Noah ?

Don't assume what is not there, Those people are washed away by water, They can't go to hell

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If you don't know the Spirit been talked about, its better you shut your mouth instead giving lies, if you insist the Spirit are people of Noah's day, Can someone who died in the Sea, go to hell ? ? ( C)



D. Do you agree with Devil that. Adam and Eve never truly died since they have an immortal soul ? ( Gen 3:4)


E. Based on the story of rich man and Lazarus , DP YOU NOW accept Human BODY goes to hell since the men has fingers, tongues and could thirst and taste PHYSICAL water ?

Be bold to attempt this too

F. The kind of Manipulation that occur in some peoples mind when they saw fire in a text leads to this question 5 , after reading Matthew 13:41-43 as proof of hell. , Is the furnace of fire as Real as soul gnashing teeth ? Last I checked, teeth is a skeleton .
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So those questions are still waiting for you




Go back and answer the questions, ... Till then, the above is pure False and unfounded accusation.



Tell me exactly how this proved an hellfire ?

1. Is the Wine to be drunk a real wine , how come the torment is now real. Since the wine is part of the process?

2. Am coming, are you saying hellfire is located in Heaven ( Jesus PRESENCE ) ?



False accuser , go back and answer the questions your ignorance as generated

One thing is very clear and has been established. And that's that you need to be born again first, receive Christ,and then receive His Holy Spirit, otherwise as I see it, you will keep twisting everything around with you canal human mind. When one answers your question, you quickly twist and run away from that, and bring in another false hood.

Thank God, many people in that cult have escaped from the satanic doctrine. And according to them, it is difficult for you to accept wrong. Argument won't solve your problem, because you claim to know the bible and Jesus, but you're preaching a false gospel.

If you didn't know, that would have been different, but because you claim to know, only God by His infinite grace can save you.

I'm increasingly shocked by the kind of false teachings you guys propagate as revealed by your former members. If you like call them whatever, they have seen the truth, and they are not ashamed of accepting it.

It feels nauseating seeing you twist God's word. You twist, misquote, misinterpret and misapply the Word of God. May the Lord show you the way.

Peacefullove:
So its soul of the man. That dies .. Mr primesky, assumption master

Joshua killed souls with sword, are the men still alive ?

When a soul dies, nothing is alive .



None of those who died in the bible and get ressyrected ever claim to have been judged .

You don't know anything about what you quote ..
I challenge you to provide just one person who was raised by Jesus or his apostles and have been judged when they died ? ( G)




Where in the bible is all that jargons up there written ?

chai .



You know.nothing about what you are quoting, False prophet and Beast are NOT real animals , what do they represent ?

Tell me.if what they represent will actually burn in fire .

In Daniel book, animals are used to represent Kingdoms and powers , If that's correct ... It means the wild beast represent A World power kingdom, Will this kingdom literally be burning forever ?

When you decode this, You would understand what will happen to Satan since they ave the same end . and that should help throw more light on what actually is lake of fire .

Decode ?
( H)


They stand after the Sea and Hell release the dead in them.


Ohhhh, so your mythical. Souls are trapped in the Sea ? Wow

Can you explain how this ones are souls if they can be trapped by the Sea .



See your life Bro. Can't you see you have contradicted yourself.

Statement 1: it was souls that stand, they have no bodies .

But Jesus said BODY also goes to hell ?
Who is lying

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT TEXT THAT BODY Aldo GOES TO HELL ?

IF YOU DO, HOw MANY BODIES HAVE YOU HEaRD DISAPPEARED to Hell ?


If None, is Jesus lying in that verse ?

Explain that red area for me if he is not lying

You may choose to lie to yourself. But never try to make the word of God a lie. Flesh and blood do not go to hell. Stop this deception of yours. Constantly twisting scriptures with warped human reasoning. You read something and twist it to suit your false teaching.

If you can't understand the scriptures, obviously you can't, because they are spiritually discerned, and you don't subscribe to that, rather, you adopt skillful manipulation to propagate your false teachings.

The bible tells us that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, neither can flesh and blood be in hell fire. These are two spiritual places, but with real experiences. If you like accept it, if you like twist it. The truth will dawn on you someday.

geoworldedu:
If I'm gone tomorrow, shay i will contnu to exist somwhere? Hsell fire is my preferred destination.

Please stop playing with these things. It's not funny. Don't play with your eternity. Just because you haven't seen it shouldn't make you mock and joke with it. It's not everything we play with, definitely not this one.

Repent and receive Jesus Christ today, and be saved. He is the only hope for mankind. Salvation is now!.

0temSapien:
Words written by the past people have really deceived this one. Smh.

Words written by the past people?. Hahaha

A man who doesn't know his source and origin, is lost and confused. How can any one believe such a person.

Such a man will lead you into a ditch. God forbid.

Jesus Christ is the only way to life. Salvation is now!

0temSapien:
The letter was written by Paul to people of Ephesus. Instead of you Nigerian be laughing at the Ephesians while they foolishly wrestle against imaginary powers, you are here quoting their ignorant Scriptures. May your eyes be opened.

The things of God are too great for you to understand. Don't forget, you on your own condescended to be a slave for thieves, that mean you have sold your reasoning to beings who you're supposed to be rulling.

The high knowledge of God's word is accessible to those in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


You're not wise until you embrace Christ. Jesus saves.
Salvation is now!

Peacefullove:
Let me first address your childish question

The same Revelation verse 20 said and I saw the Dead standing before the throne, How did they come alive to stand before the throne

Verse 13 answers The Sea release the dead in it. Hell Also release the. Dead in it.

Now food for you: Ask your pastor tomorrow at Church, If Hell is a place of punishment how come Those who died in the sea do not go there ?

Back to the matter .

Define death first ! After doing that, I believe the whole lake of fire thing will be solved . now proceed to define it .

You're a mortal man trying to box God and spirituality into your limited human sphere. In simple definition, death is the absence of life in a body or being. If a human body dies, it becomes inactive. But what happens when a spirit being dies?, let me put it this way, how does a spirit die?. This is where you miss it.

Look at the passage below.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

You may be alive in the body, but as far as you don't have Jesus Christ in you, you're dead!. I didn't say that, you have it there in the bible. How can you explain the fact that a man who is actively working about, carrying out his daily activities is dead?. If the man is still active, who then died according to the scriptures?. The soul of the man!.

Again, explain what Jesus was saying here below.

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

When the body, which is the carrier of the soul dies, the soul must wait for judgement. If there is no soul according to you, who then do you judge after death?. The decaying flesh?.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The issue now is, the soul of man and his spirit, like wise angels, which are spirit, are made by the breath of God. You cannot destroy the breath of God which is spirit. Now don't twist it here, this breath is different from the life force of this spirit. This breath is the base ingredient for the making of this various spirits, and they are unique to the personality. If the spirit disobeys God by sinning, like Lucifer did, it will suffer punishment by death. What is that death?, it is the eternal separation from God.

To the physical man and eyes, it means nothing, but it's a terrible state of hopelessness, pain and fear. It is the absence of the essence of God, and the presenc of every kind of evil, fire is just one of many others. Satan is dead, like wise his fallen angels, though they have no physical bodies like man. But we see him and his colleagues actively causing meyhem everywhere.They will be eternally punished in the lake of everlasting fire, with everything else, man inclusive not in the will and way of God.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Look very well, those who stood before the throne of God for judgement were not physical bodies, but souls of the dead, hence the bible called them the dead, because they have no bodies. The soul is a very active, conscious being, he feels, taste, smells and has emotions.

Again, Jesus told us not to fear those who can only harm the flesh but not the soul.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Man can definitely kill the body, burn it and crush it to pieces. But how is it that man can not kill the soul?! Because the soul is a spirit being.

Seek the Holy Spirit to guide you on these things.

Peacefullove:
He presented his points with your Bible , doesn't he?

Where is Adam , show us where they say his punishment is burning in fire ? ( A)

( am tagging my responses to you in alphabetical order, so as to he organized )



The question is: What is this Everlasting Fire ? The same bible told us , The CITY of Sodom and Gomorrah was punished with this Everlasting Fire .

Am not sure those cities are still burning till today , are they? Is the Everlasting fire that born those city Hellfire ? ( B)

I want your response



The text never says Prison OF HELL, stop telling Lies Mr

Don't assume what is not there, Those people are washed away by water, They can't go to hell

If you don't know the Spirit been talked about, its better you shut your mouth instead giving lies, if you insist the Spirit are people of Noah's day, Can someone who died in the Sea, go to hell ? ? ( C)



Devil says : Ye shall NOT die .

He promised they have an immortal soul ( Genesis 3:4 )

Can you just see Primesky is making himself the advocate of the Devil ? ( D)




Did God say Adam will spend his Eternity in hellfire ? ( back to A )



The Man is in Grave , no such thing like fire in the grave . is Hades not Grave ? I weep for your lack of knowledge .

So he can thirst, that's an human , NOT a mythical soul

So do you now agree human Body go to hell ? Since you so love this story [E]




Of course the furnace of fire is as real as A Soul having Teeth to gnash.

Do souls have teeth ? I though the teeth is a skeleton ( F )

Ignorance is very bad. It's even worse when you pridefully wallow in it, and don't know you're ignorant.

Oh!, may God have mercy on you. How ling will you guys continue to twist and misinterpret scriptures?. Just to assuage your ego, and defend the false teaching of a man.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The problem you have now is like that of a man who is clearly doing wrong, but when confronted, he refuses to bulge because of pride. Pray you don't realise the truth rather too late.

In your head and mind, you assume that since God is love, He cannot burn people in hell fire, and you and your founder, have done everything to perpetuate this falsehood. But the bible at various points stated it clearly. Note, God doesn't send people to hell fire, rather people choose to go there by their decisions, some are ever stubborn to accept the truth! So you don't blame God.

You neither believe in the Holy Spirit not do you believe in man having a soul, even when the bible said so, so it will be foolishness to you. Already, you're twisting things here.

There's absolutely no way, a carnal man can understand the things of the spirit. When you don't believe not have the Holy Spirit of God in you, how can you know the things of God?. You will keep using carnal reasoning to explain it.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I can't imagine you telling people that the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was the hell fire. It's really a pity.

geoworldedu:
ha ha ha ha
Holy spirit finally became a weakling, can't touch me. @:"

You're just a mere breath!. Here today, gone tomorrow. Worship God.

Thank God for who He is. Despite your revilings and mocking, He has been patient with you. But don't take His grace for granted. In one second, you can be brought down. Fear God.

May God have mercy on your soul.

Jesus Christ is the only way. Salvation is now!

[quote author=Maamin post=69995660][/quote]You're responding to what you don't yet understand, that's just the problem.

Jesus Christ is 'the son of God!. Who else has that title?.But you don't even understand what that means.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, is your word different from you, though being distinct?.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The bible tells us that Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. So are they not the same?. Is your image a different person from you, though it be distinct?. If someone sees my picture, will they say it's a different person?. Can my picture do anything at all without my power?, Can't I send my picture any where to represent me, as we do with our pass port photo graph?.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The Jews wanted to Stone Jesus Christ because He said, He is the son of God, and that by doing so, He made Himself equal with God, do you understand it better than the jews?.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why should they attempt to stone Jesus Christ, are we not God's children after all?, are the angels not sons of God?. But there's something special about being 'the Son of God'!, sorry english language can't explain it to you. Otherwise the jews wouldn't have said what they said, or attempted what they did.

Again read the bible very well, before you counter the truth. John clearly bowed down to worship Jesus Christ, and that was clearly stated, but you have denied it.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Again, I ask you, how many first and last can there be?

Please, seek the Holy Spirit to open your understanding, and stop defending the lies of a man. The bible is very clear about these things. Thank you.

tomakint:
I insist my brother you will not lose your reward in Heaven for helping out a brother in Christ, brother Primesky

Amen!. God bless you too brother. We shall stand together, work together in God's vineyard, and sing the victory song before the throne. Thanks bro.

Peacefullove:
Use your sense now

It says Lake of fire is second DEATH

If you don't know what death is, Kill your hen and study what happens after.

My dear, stop dodging the fact here. You move from hell to lake of fire!. Read your Bible well. There are differences between physical death and spiritual death.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

You're spiritually dead already without Jesus Christ, even though you're talking and moving. This mystery is beyond the natural man. Only the Holy Spirit can do it for you.

Can someone move from hell fire to heaven?. We should strive not to go to hell in the first place, so as not to go into the lake of fire.

You people said when bad people die, they vanish away, so how come we have a second death?, how?. The second death in the lake of fire, will still be like the the first, but will be much force and terrible.

Demons and devils may play around in hell fire, but they can't do that in the lake of fire!. Be careful what you hold as truth.

[quote author=Maamin post=69818394][/quote]Hmm... Did you understand what you responded to in the first place?. Are you saying angels assume the titles of God's name when presenting their message?, I strongly disagree. You said it yourself. They tell who they are, their names, who they serve and who sent them. Never in the bible did any angel assume the names of God, or His position and title like Jesus did, why because Jesus is not like them nor is He in their rank. In fact, the angels were made by Him.

Some one may say trinity does not guarantee salvation, that's true, but what if the person denying the trinity is actually denying who Jesus Christ really is, does that not affect his salvation.

I see your clever maneuvering around the subject, but you can't deny the truth.

Revelation 1:9 [b]I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Everytime human beings have attempted to worship an angel of God, they've always resisted it. But we see in the passage above, that when John bowed down to worship Jesus, He never objected, then He said... I am alpha and omega...!. And here you're saying what does that mean, just so you could wave it aside. You can deceive other people, but you can't deceive yourself and God. It's not how well you can quote the scriptures, the devil does it very well, but he's a devil.

Seek the real Jesus, otherwise salvation is far away. Jesus loves you.

The JWs claim to believe in the Holy Spirit, but they merely reffer to Him as mere force. That's false teaching!, why?, because they're against trinity. But that's clearly against the scriptures.

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Who else through out the bible have ever said this like Jesus said?. What does that mean?.

If a your father is a king or a chief, and he sends you in an errand somewhere, do you go there to say, I the king of so and so kingdom said this and that, do you not acknowledge the original source?, but whereby the original source and the messenger are one and the same what do you then expect?.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


Seek and know the real Jesus Christ.

MuttleyLaff:
So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire ,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
- Isaiah 55:11

I will bow down toward Thy holy temple,
And give thanks unto Thy name for Thy mercy and for Thy truth;
For Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.
- Psalm 138:2

You can respect your word, you can value your word, your word can carry substance or carry weight,
you can send your word on errand to accomplish things for you
and that the word not return void back to you without achieving that you sent it about

Word, is and can be, so powerful,
that by mere obeying the prompt of the Word, standing on the Word and focusing on the Word,
just like the Peter did, one can do, a once in a lifetime, out of this world, extraordinary and supernatural thing

Good!. So why do you find it difficult accepting that Jesus is God's word?.. Why do you seek to separate Jesus Christ from God?. Why do you try to make them two far different persons.

Your word is distinct from you, but can never be separate from you, neither can your word exist without you.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, and the visible image of the invisible God.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Read this passage below carefully and critically, and see who Jesus Christ really is.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Restroom:
Is Adam in hell fire?

Take a look at God's past judgement of sinners in Noah time, Sodom and Gomorrah and even Jerusalem in 607 BCE.

What can we learn from these accounts?

God destroys evil doers once and for all.

God cannot give everlasting life to sinners by keeping them burning forever in hell fire. No.

The wicked are destroyed permanently.
You think God have time and the heart of Satan to roast sinners in fire forever?

Some times, because we refuse to critically examine some demonic teachings, we make the mistake of believing that God can be heartless like the devil.

Now if God can burn sinners in hell fire, which one then can Satan do?

God says has said the wages of sin is death.
Churches and their members say no, na lie
na hell fire

Okay, if God now say it is hell fire, what do you think Satan would call God?

Will Satan not say God is heartless?

Well God is holy, my dear.
And wether you agree or not, he didn't burn Adam in hell fire.

So, no human has ever been burned in that fake hell fire churches preach everywhere, because it does not exist.

God is love.
The wages sin pays, is death.For the wicked, it is death without hope of a resurrection.

This is absolute falsehood teaching and a wicked one at that. God is love, that's a fact, but don't ever try to rationalize what God can do.

God made hell fire for the devil to punish him and his colleagues for their sin. Satan filled with rage and jealousy, decided that since God will go that length in punishing him in such a terrible way because of sin, he will ensure he doesn't go there alone, at least the very creature God loves most, which is man will have to go along with him. Please, stop misinterpreting the scriptures. The bible is clear about this matter.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The scripture above tells you about an everlasting fire, originally prepared for the devil, but if you follow the devil to sin, then he is your god, so you will go with him there.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

After the death of this disobedient spirits long ago, which were long dead, Jesus went to the prison of hell to give to them the gospel message as well, since they never heard it in their time.

Stop making the punishment of God a light thing. If a criminal knows that if he's condemned, he will just die off and that ends it, why should he bother himself with striving to do right, after all he will just die and go. But there's no such thing!. That's the lie of the devil.

Be careful, lest while trying to defend your religion,you make God himself a liar!.

If you die unworthy of Christ,you will spend your eternity in hell fire. If you die in Christ,you will spend your eternity in heaven. You can't deny this.

The story of the Rich man and Lazarus, which Jesus told is enough in itself to tell you the reality over there. A man in the torment of fire, not dieing, yet in full anguish, was asking for water to cool his thirst. Don't wave it aside as a parable or whatever, that's the truth in plain light. Stop giving people false hope.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Hell fire is real!. Heaven is also real. Chose to believe in Jesus Christ today, that's the only way out. Salvation is now!.

lilliesboy:
Another thrash.

Say the truth for once!. Do you have peace within you right now?. Stop looking for solution where it can't be found. You will never be satisfied, or have real peace without Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

When you have finally realized this, remember these words and come back to Jesus Christ. When a car gets bad, people take it to a mechanic, not a plumber. Return to your maker now!.

Only Jesus can save you and give you peace.

Jesus Christ loves you!. Salvation is now!.

OtemAtum:
Lol, christians always think that they are fighting against demons. ha ha ha!!!
Most especially if you refuse to reply, they think they are winning the fight

These lies of yours, inspired by devils, will fail woefully!.

Are you not ashamed?, lies the devils fear to even say, they hire you to say it, and you say it, for what price exactly?.

Otem, I'm not fighting you, but the wicked, satanic lies you've swallowed, and are spewing all over the place. The real enemy here are those fallen angels you call father. Oh I feel so sad talking about the fact that my fellow human being will call fallen angels father!. What a shame!. They'll destroy you!.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

There you have it, we do not fight humans, or flesh and blood, but demon spirits and wicked spiritual forces working through ignorant men and women.

Jesus Christ is the way to life. Repent and receive Him today. Salvation is now!

OtemAtum:
My enemies are some of the gods of religion, such as Yahweh, Allah and Mazda, including Moloch and Soponno, Eusebius, Origen and Jospehus, etc. They don't like me because I am revealing the truth that will expose their lies. However, I wouldn't refer to any of these people as devils because they are only doing what they think is best for them and any antagonistic view from me shall surely not be accepted by them.

THERE's NO SPECIFIC PERSON WITH THE NAME 'devil'. Don't fight an imaginary devil!

Eta-n-tagba 17:1-3
1. There is no devil as a personality.
2. Every time you do bad, you are momentarily a devil.
3. But when you do good, your goodness shall turn you back to your natural self.

The devil is a liar!. Always subtle and deceptive. This is the kind if lies that overthrew Adam and Eve, but he has failed forever! Jesus Christ is Lord forever!

You are your own worst enemy. Who is a lost man, is it not the one who doesn't know his enemy?. Who is a confused person, is it not the one who doesn't know his maker?.

Your reply is another proof that you're speaking for the devil!. The devil will always seek to hide his identity, it is in the interest of the devil to remain unknown. It's easier to conquer a careless, ignorant enemy who doesn't even know his attacker.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Satan is a real spiritual being hell bent in destroying your soul. He has fallen angels loyalists, who you have ignorantly associated with, and have called your father. What a shameful confusion!.

Repent and receive Jesus Christ today. He is the way, the truth and the life.

Salvation is now!

Oh no! He was my chapel prefect in secondary school.

There will be a day of reckoning for all mankind. Nothing shall remain hidden. May God strengthen his wife and children.

Restroom:
For thousands of years now, many have been led to believe in the doctrine of hell fire.

Biblically, this teaching has no basis.
Some invoke the expression recorded in Revelation
21:8 and Rev 19:20, I.e. the 'lake of fire' or 'lake that burns with sulfur'as evidence of hell fire.

Others point to Jesus parable about the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31.

While these Bible verses speak of punishment in fire, they are not to be taken literally.

The language in which the Book of Revelation was written, were all symbolic. Also, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, was an illustration directed at the proud pharisees, who believed they were favoured before God. Jesus used the illustration to let the pharisees realized that, things have changed for the ordinary Israelites, with the arrival of the messiah. God stopped using the pharisees to teach the Jews the law, with the coming of Jesus Christ .With the presence of Gods son teaching the Jews directly about God, the spiritual condition of the Jews became elevated while the Pharisees were debased. Seeing the changed condition of the jews, and the judgment message of Jesus against the Pharisees, they became enraged at Jesus.

Interestingly, Jesus Christ ended the role of the Pharisees as teachers of the law, when he established Christianity.Since the birth of the Christian congregation, the ordinary Jews and later the Gentiles, became opportuned to worship God freely.

Yet, as simple as the illustration of the rich man and pharisees were, the religions of today have latched on to it, as proof that hell fire existed. The Pharisees that Jesus directed the message to knew that Jesus was talking to them. They knew the meaning that, spiritually speaking, their position as teachers of the law had changed forever with Jesus presence. And that the common man they looked down upon is now favoured with the previlegde of been taught the way of Christ, which opens to them the direct opportunity of communicating with God.

Hence, to those who misconstrue, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of hell fire, it is good to read that account again, to get the import of the parable.

According to first John 4:8, God is Love.

Can a God of love burn his sinning creatures in fire?

What do you think?

To answer it clearly, think about yourself for a moment. Can you burn your child in fire for sinning or doing something you forbid?

Can you ?
Well, I can't.

As a human, how many of us even think about using fire as a possible means to punish criminals?

Few, if any.
How many human government burn criminals alive?

None!
If humans in General Dont do it, why do people now want God to do it?
If human government Dont burn criminals in fire, is it God that we now burn his own creature in everlasting fire?

God is love.
If humans, Dont do it, God can't do it.
We are made in God s image, remember.
If you can't do it, because it looks unjust, then, God cannot do it.

Also, there is no record in the Genesis account of creation, of how God created Hellfire and where it is located.Where is hellfire located ?Who created it? Where is evidence that God created it? The bible recorded how God created everything, including the sun, moon and stars.How come it is silent about hellfire?

Now God told Adam, that if he sins against him, he would go back to the dust.Because he created him from the dust. Now if Adam returned to the dust as God told him, how come his children go the hell fire as popularly claimed by churches of today?

God specifically told Adam in Genesis 3:19- For dust you are, and to dust, you will return.

But churches now say, for dust you are and to hellfire you will return.

Can God lie?

Who knows better, God or churches?

Where do we go at death?

Is Adam in hell fire?
Which hell fire?

According to God is statement to Adam, at death, he returned to dust, to a state of none existence.

Adam was none existent before God created him.

At death, he returned to that state signified by dust.

But churches say no. We do not die. We continue to live but in hell fire.
So a lot of people end up believing the big lie that hell fire exist .

God cannot lie.Satan is the only one that can burn sinners in hellfire, an imaginary place he has created to paint God as a wicked person who can debase his human creation by burning the sinners amongst them in hell fire.

Now, did God burn Adam in hell fire after he sinned, and became the first sinner on earth?

What's your answer?

If Adam didn't go to hell fire, as the first sinner, does it make sense to believe that his children and all sinners are in hell fire?

My dear, hell fire exist!. Please be careful not to deceive people here. You don't use human wisdom to interpret the word if God. You think Jesus Christ came down Rosie for fun?.

He came to ensure we don't go there!. Human permutations can't change the reality of hell. Telling yourself that he'll doesn't exist may make you feel comfortable now, but it won't exempt you from falling into it if you don't truly repent.


Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Hell exist!. Be warned, don't fall for the deception.

Jesus Christ is the way to life. Salvais now!.