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shesi:
you are way off my brother. and your attitude is quite despicable. I don't understand why everyone is shouting doom and gloom. . Ghana on top of their group. Ivory Coast no way out at all. Even if they get beat by brazil tomorrow. Algeria still in with a shout.

what is the big friggin deal.

compare where these african footballers are coming from and be amazed that we're even in among the vastly more fortunate to be in there with a shout. England rented out pretty much a whole small city as their camp. Ghana for instance is sleeping in a hotel. They couldn't even take out an entire floor. That's the difference in resources we're talking about.

Hold your head up son. Don't let anyone tell you different. Your attitude is a disgrace frankly.

At the end of the day, everyone will sleep on one bed. What matters is a good night's sleep. Find another excuse.

na_so:
Cameroon  is a team made of samuel eto and 10 Danni shittus. only muscle no sense.

too much muscle, no speed

only in Africa do administrators do the same thing and expect a different result.

dayokanu:
Why do African teams present them with the opportunity to gloat in the first place with our woeful performances

At the moment the only time a local coach took us to the world cup, was when we failed to qualify from the group stages

If you think Onigbinde is a coach, you have a problem. Onigbinde was a political appointee assigned to coach I am talking about a competent local coach.

dayokanu:
Best African performance in the world cup have been under the white coaches.

Cameroun in 1990 and Senegal in 2002

What are you talking about? How many times have they given indigenous coaches any opportunity. And in the history of the WOrld CUp, the best African teams can show is two quarter finals finishes. And you call that success.

they need to hire an ex player like Roger Milla and sorround him with assistants. I am sure Roger Milla would not have filled his team with old, spineless players.

bawomolo:
yup those evil white coaches told cameroun to miss golden opportunities.

lmao

Oyinbo don kill Africa finish -- Femi Kuti. When will we learn?

African teams WILL NEVER experience success under these white coaches.

African team with a white coach out of the World Cup. When will our leaders learn?

With all these foreign coaches, thus far, African teams have secured only one victory by way of Ghana's win in the tournament. The foreign coaches don't have what it takes to motivate their players to battle for the country. That's what the World Cup is all about--National Pride.

We are all here losing sleep over Super Eagles's misfortunes, while Lars Largerback is probably is sleeping well and dreaming about how Sweden failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament. Home is where the heart is.

Datboyfly:
Give me an answer to this questions? Why is it only African countries who hire foreign coaches to take them to the World Cup most, if not all, of the time? Are there no competent local coaches who can do this job? If there are competent African coaches who can do the job, why are they not hired instead of the white coaches?

Your assertion about African countries being the only ones who hire foreign coaches the most is incorrect. England(Capello), Portugal(Scolari,2006), South Korea(Hiddink,2002), Saudi Arabia (Carlos Alberto Parreira) and a host of other countries have  shown up at the world cup and continue to show up at the world cup with foreign coaches. The point is you should seek to hire competent people who can deliver irrespective of origin to handle the team. In addition, consider that we(Africans) have a background that is somewhat disadvantaged in terms of organization, structure and technical know-how, so hiring foreigners as a way to bridge the gap makes some sense. However, our problems in football stem from a lack of sincerity, a commitment to mediocrity and self interest on the part of our decision makers.

With respect to organization, your answer may be true ten to fifteen years ago. We now have ex players who have European/international experience, and they are ready to bring that knowledge back home. There is no bridging the gap anymore, for the gap has already been bridged. You have satellite technology, which enables our coaches to watch current advances in football; we have ex players, many of whom played at the highest level in top leagues worldwide; and we have talent at home. I also never said African teams are the only ones who hire foreign coaches. Please re-read my post. I said most, if not all, African countries in this current World Cup hired foreign coaches.

You are also comparing apples to oranges. You have named foreign coaches from three different World Cups, which is different from the foreign coach problem in Africa. In one single World Cup, 5/6 African teams have foreign coaches. No other continent has that kind of ratio.

sage:
Nah guy you got me totally wrong. It has nothing to do with white is better or anything like that.

I was saying that back in the days of Westerhof and Bonfere Jo when I was in Nigeria we could actually talk about merits and de-merits of coaches and players in the world with out bringing up some skin colour based crap.

Now all people do is talk about is Lagerbacks skin colour. I never heard about that during Westerhof or Bonferes time. If you are going to critisize Lagerback do so and directly with why he is flawed as a coach.

Stop the he is white is why we hired him thing.

We hired incompetent Nigerian coaches before like Amoudu and Onigbinde. Among foreign coaches that we hire we are bound to hire incompetent ones too.

If you have a valid criticism of Lagerback, his tactics, his substitutions etc level it without mentioning the skin colour thing.


and if anything Nigerians need to run away from the type of mentality that has helped destroy a lot of black Americans. Their obsession with peoples skin colour either theirs or others is destructive and wrecks irreversible damage on any society that adopts it.

I don't know whether anyone has criticized Largerback's skin color. I know that people have criticized the NFF administrators who hired him because he is white. They could have hired Siasia who has proved himself. And why do they seem to pay the white people more than the local coaches?

You are right that we have hired incompetent black coaches, but what we are saying is that since we are Nigerians, we should hire a competent local coach. If we cannot find a competent local coach, then hire a foreign coach. But we do have competent local coaches who have not been given the opportunity. Every country does this, where employment preference is given to a local who is competent, willing, able, and ready to work.

What mentality that destroyed a lot of Black Americans are you talking about that Nigerians should run away from? If people like Martin Luther King did not fight the race problems and the mentality of people toward blacks head on, how will he have reduced the racial disparities in America. Even now, the problem afflicting a lot of black Americans is making up excuses rather than grabbing the bull by the horn. We as Nigerians want to showcase our own pride and display qualities of which we are capable.

Give me an answer to this questions? Why is it only African countries who hire foreign coaches to take them to the World Cup most, if not all, of the time? Are there no competent local coaches who can do this job? If there are competent African coaches who can do the job, why are they not hired instead of the white coaches?

deji

I agree with you. The coach should also assume responsibility for the players' unruly behavior on the field, for the coach had the opportunity to evaluate the character and temperament of each player he selects. As a result, he should assume responsibility for everything that happens on that field, including unmotivated players, and every darn thing. He is the coach; he selected the players; and he should responsible for their acts. Period.

sage:
This thread could easily end up a race-baiting thread. A lot of threads on Nairaland have become so race based even in the Football section sometimes I wonder if I am actually on a Nigerian forum anymore Looks more and more like an American forum when you cant even discuss any single game or topic without some colour nonsense coming up. I get mad when I see simple match or live game threads turn into some colour shite all because some people who are nuts come on there and start the same nonsense over and over again because they have a very silly and pathetic victim mentality .

But for this topic

Amodu is not a coach period. He sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am suspecting this Lagerback guy might not be much better and might actually be inept tactically and lacks to balls to make risky  changes when needed. I dont know if im correct but I suspect that about him.

Its either we sack him or give him more time to work on a project till next nations cup.

Either ways whoever is coach next needs to be given time to prepare 4 the next 2 nations cup in 2012 and 2013

I am glad we are talking about the race issue. And the race problem manifests not only in the U.S. but also in Nigeria; the only difference is that in Nigeria some people have the mentality that white is superior because of colonization by the whites, while in the U.S. some blacks there believe white is superior because they have been robbed of their identity, probably due to slavery. If not for this colonial mentality, why do our administrators hire incompetent white coaches at the expense of qualified local coaches? Simple, they believe white is better.

davidif:
[b]WHAT DOES SKIN COLOR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?? YOU GET THE BEST GUY FOR THE JOB AND THE GUY WHO GIVES YOU THE BETTER CHANCE TO WIN IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS SKIN COLOR. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT YOU WRITE YOUR OWN HISTORY, BECAUSE SOMETHING HASN'T BEEN DONE DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE DAY IT WOULDN'T BE DONE. [/b]

mensdept,
DO YOU WANT TO COMPARE NIGERIAN LEAGUE TO THE GERMAN BUNDESLIGA?? GOSH, NIGERIANS DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL AT ALL, YOU LET YOUR BIASES CLOUD YOUR JUDGEMENT.

Why does skin color matter when European teams refuse to hire black coaches to lead their teams to the World Cup. Nobody said skin color matters? But to our leaders, it matters, for they think any coach with white skin can perform better than a black coach. I am not really fixated on skin color, but I a want a local coach to lead their teams. The Algerian coach is not black but a native of Algeria. So if, for example, there was a native white Nigerian, then he should be hired as coach if he is qualified. At least he will be familiar with the local customs and will be able to identify more local talent than these foreign coaches who don't know much about our players.

Sagamite:
See arse kissing.

Improved a lot with 2 losses, player indiscipline and players missing empty net.

Unbelieveable oyinbo arse kissing.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-454738.0.html#msg6243866

Tell me the improvement you have seen and tell me what was wrong with Amodu's regime.

Personally, I prefer local coaches over foreign coaches because of several reasons. Click on the link below to take you to the thread that highlights my reasons as to why I prefer local coaches over foreign coaches. I don't think the current team has experienced any significant improvement under Lars, but you may argue that he did not have the time to build his own team or to prove himself. Amodu had two years or so to prove himself, and he has not improved the Super Eagles in two years. He used the same players for two years without injecting fresh talent. That is in sane.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=464244.msg6229636#msg6229636

That being said, I did not like Amodu for several reasons:
1) I think he may be tactically sound, but he does not choose the right players and does not create an atmosphere of competition in the team. Under Amodu, certain players, knowing they were guaranteed a spot on the team, did not have the incentive to fight for a spot. See the African Nations Cup, for example, where Amodu announced his final squad without a day in training camp.

2) Amodu regularly picks unfit players, and I don't think he has shown that he has the requisite skills to discover new talent. Almost all his players are prior Siasia boys or products of other coaches. Why has he not given by giving new talent an opportunity to prove themselves? Westerhof and Siasia, for example, are both extremely good or have shown that they can identify new talent.

3) Amodu had time to build the team, but he has consistently used the same players with old legs, and he has not built anything with all the time he had. You can't  keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

4) Unless you are blind, the differences between Siasia and Amodu are evident. Siasia has shown he can build a team comprising of fit and talented players. He can scout and pick the best from our local leagues while combining them with the best and most fit from players in foreign leagues. Amodu, on the other hand, has yet to show me he is capable of doing this.

5) Amodu lacks the charisma, an important (albeit not crucial) trait in any coach.

All the corrupt politicians should also leave Abuja.

adconline:
pump the breaks there tiger. there are 7 billion people in this world. 300 million are americans. i think fifa is doing quite well with 6.7 billion people.
secondly, the reason americans do not embrace soccer is because they suck at it. not because of anything else. americans like to be the best at everything. if they cannot be the best. they dont embrace it.

In business, 300 million customers who have got discretionary income  are worth more than 1 bilion people who are looking to FIFA  to beam live matches  for free. FIFA would make more money from TV rights in the US than it would in India with over 1 billion folks. Got it?
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thank God there are still Naija folks who think before they write

mama-gee:
[color=deeppink]Oh, thank God for this tie although I wish Slovenia defeated USA

But, I'm happy for the fact that I would actually watch the television today without hearing News reporters blab and brag on how mighty the U.S. football team is.

Just hoping that Algeria beats the U.S.A on wednesday.

And the whinning and crying over the disallowed goal, who cares. . .It's probably karma for the Robert Green mistake and the humuliation they put him through.[/color]

Hater.
Get your a$$ back to Naija. Why should Americans not whine when they believe that foolish referee denied them a valid goal without any justification? As a matter of fact, why should anyone who believes in fairness not whine about a foolish call?

Right is right, and wrong is wrong. If the goal was valid, why is not wrong when that foolish referee disallowed it. As a matter of fact, a  bunch U.S. players were the ones  being fouled while the goal was scored. That foolish Malian referee.
You complain they treat African teams bad, but you support referees who treat other teams unfairly.

The foolish referee has not given any reason as to why he disallowed the goal. Typical Nigerian, you don't use your brain to think of the repercussions of this referees call on other African referees. We already have it bad, so why not call that referee out when one of our own does something wrong?

What is he still doing in the camp? He should be kicked before he infects the other players with Kaitaisis

tkb417:
im sure u went to a tertiary institution
is anichebe better than Obasi?
or are u saying we should have taken 24 players?

who d fck is solomon okoronkow and olubayo adefemi?
would they bench the people on parade?

whats your point? drop the ones we have and take the ones u highlighted?

if the man had dropped Obasi, peeps like you would have asked why Obasi was dropped for Anichebe (a bench warmer in everton)

Peter Utaka?
dude ure a joke

maybe u didnt know h played friendlies for Nigeria; who should have been dropped for Peter? Yakubu?
hehehe or Martins

Lagerback doesnt know but u internet analyst knows better than him and amokachi

go and sleep somewhere

Adefemi and Okoronkwo are at least more fit than the players in the current squad. Football is mainly about fitness and maybe speed, the other requisites are secondary

Why is he still in camp? If I were coach, I would have kicked him out of camp. If that mallam still thinks that the Greek player "got what he asked for," that shows that, even though he might be somewhat remorse, he still thinks he is justified acting in that aboki way. The dangerous part is that coach Lars may still field him again, if we qualify, where there will be no guarantee that he will not give another player "what that player asks for."

bgees:
I still can't understand why everyone is having a go at Kaita. Yes he made a mistake , but again who doesn't ?and I think the Greek player overreacted. Kaita touched him with at the knee but the Greek started clutching his face.

And have we all forgotten Beijing 2008 Olympics where this same Kaita was very impressive?

If you can't understand, SHARAP! Why won't everyone have a go at Kaita? Do you know how difficult it is to qualify for the World Cup? Do you know that the hopes of millions of Nigerians and black people all over the world have been crushed?

You are probably a fellow mallam who is defending your own.

THE AMAKA:
[color=#cc00cc]ALL I KNOW IS THAT MY BABY OSAZE PETER ODEMWINGIE IS FINE AND ALL MINE!!! (my new heartthrob)


man that game pissed me off anyway  [/color]

whatever! If Osaze approached you today you won't know what to do with yourself, and you will probably make shakara like your colleagues!

Siasia and Obuh have never taken unfit players to a competition. How do you expect to win when more than half of the team is unfit?

iphy42:
Local coaches is not the solution but LONG TERM PREPARPTION. The players have stayed together for just abt one month. what do you expect. Meanwhile WETIN KANU STILL DEY DO THERE. UNPERFORMING CAPTAIN

What do you mean by that? Do you think these oyinbo coaches who have no allegiance to our country will help us win? We already have local coaches like Siasia and Obuh who have shown they can coach at a world stage. Why keep hiring these oyinbo coaches?

I hope you guys saw what the white man coach did to us today

We don't need any foreign coaches!!!!!!!!

Nothing will change unless we start hiring our own local coaches

i am out

mbulela:
kaita is better than Taiwo

God punish you