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jennykadry: I dey oooooo. Earning dollars that I wouldn't earn if I lived in that Nigeria for 10 years. Power supply, food medical care, good job, good everything, things nigeria cannot offer me

Good to hear from you again! Na for only this kind frustrated thread them dey find you lol! Thank God say na Internet we dey use cux if this na face to face, some people go bite or starb person just because they live for obodoyibo lol! I thought they say if you try and fail make you try again but for NL, person wey them deny visa go log on begin pass him frustration on people wey dey abroad! See me see wahala oh! Anyway, later.

Arsenate: The op has a point and didn't insult anyone. I wonder why the NIDs are barking all over the place.
LIVE AND LET LIVE
Is that too difficult for some of you?

ehee aputasiafa! Okpor ha ndi azu.

jennykadry: That country called Nigeria can kiss my round huge sun burnt azz

I think I can kiss better lol! Na wa oh! Missing in action.... Where you go hide?

just logged on to see if there are more ideas on how to help you guys (women) at home but it look like the whole gist had turn to WW111. Am out!!

roymary: @OP

Those American wannabes will do anything to criticize your post. Some of us that plies Lagos-America back and forth knows better than to sit back in foreign land hoping that really solves a thing. Tell them to enumerate their current jobs out there.

If the vagabondss in Aso rock will simply do us the favor; fix the damnn roads, improve our power supply, create more jobs, especially in Agriculture and Textile, improve National security and empower the youth as much as possible, implement the damnn laws and stop giving shameless privileges to those politicians!!!...There will be lesser reasons to leave this country for Chicago where cold weather will jeopardize your health big time.

See, 80% of Nigerians in Diaspora are still trying to get rich. When they do, the next thing they wanna do is come back home. Forget the hype and "gonna' wanna" They live in shoe boxes, menial jobs and shiit. They are extremely stingy( they call it being meticulous but i don't see it that way)

Nigeria will survive- We won't give up Cos America sef get her own problems to solve.

Wow! Some of you are really filled with bitterness and hatred for Nigerians living outside Nigeria. Most of you really think living abroad is all about getting rich! Does it ever occur to you that Nigerians had been living outside Nigeria way back as 19kiridim? Way back since when it was $3 to N1? Trust me, some of those guys might be living in boxes but they surely have better life than you (I don't care where you live or work). There's a system in place here to treat them when sick with or without money, feed them, educate them, and security guaranteed. I guess it's true that when a bad habit last for decades it becomes a norm in the society! Keep praising the mess you call Nigeria and having sleepless night about me in US while dying in silent over there! Smdh.

In few months now you will start a new thread asking when the American visa lottery will start! Main while.....

kopell: @prince_onx Small world.I land in NYC from Naija some years back, move to Columbus Ohio for three years. move back to NYC since then. Hala me early when you're around to see my schedule if we can meet. What part of city are coming to? I works at Manhattan if you're coming there
It's going be easy for me to meet you !!!

It was nice finally meeting with you yesterday! I made it back early this morning! Ttyl. Cheers!

Am already a veteran in most of the house chaos na how to help her carry pregnancy I dey target now!

Mine is ringing lol!

Chidoxyl: Wdn't exploring this be a great idea?

How? Please explain more or give some idea/detail.

^^
Wow!!! This thread dey make me talk too much oh! Just hope am not wasting my time cux I get paid for this (business/investment) here! Lol!!!

And the above concluding sentence includes me! Hell NO! I no go gamble with N3m at least at this stage!

BayoAA: Thanks for your write up. Kindly get me right per the zoning thing. I also personally have no problem investing collectively in any region of the country so far the security situation permits and the business bouyancy is available. I myself also have the privilegde to live and work in some parts of Nigeria after 7 years sojourn in Europe. So as you I have friends across the nation. My point here is that Investing under one umbrella is key. If this group is SPYDER LIMITED (for example) we all invest in Spyder Limited while investment decision on what and where to invest will be a different issue taken care by the shareholders (Management) through the forum, brainstorming, research, analysis and probably voting. Imagine, for example, you investing under the zoning thing in Akwa while every other person invest in Lagos, What happens to you and your investment?

My suggestion is that we invest in a central purse (SPYDER LIMITED) and before hand, thru brainstoring, research and analysis collectively choose our top 3 or 4 proposed investement locations in order of priority. This, before hand, will tell prospective investor our area of operation (at least for now). I will not be happy if I invest in PH and later found out that I am the only one interested in PH. Meaning I either quit or forced to go against my will by joining maybe the Lagos investors.

About "Rising"and "falling": It is still about investing in a central purse. Collectively invest in all zones where our "SPYDER LIMITED"is engaged. If the investment is going good let it be for every stakeholder and not that business in not moving in Lagos zone so the Lagos investors must bear it. No!! let us all bear it. And if business is flourishing in Enugu, let us all share the cake and We can only achieve this if we invest under one central umbrella.
Please get me right I am not anticipating any doom for this laudable proposal but just trying to say LET US GROW TOGETHER. NOT ZONAL GROWTH BUT COLLECTIVE GROWTH.
Let us take example from global conglomerates like SHELL, GE, BP, CITI, HSBC. Investment are not made under individual sub-businessesr Shell Power etc but SHELL global umbrella. You are in the US, I believe you know General Electric and probably their modus operandis. With GE's diverse interest people (including myself) invest not in GE Energy or GE Capital or GE Healthcare but invest in the unbrella company GE.

Sorry for the too long "essay" , I am just trying to drive in my points... Good luck!!!

You post might be or seem too long but you made a lot of point so don't be sorry.
First of all using Lagos against Awka is a bad example at least for someone like me or an investor that share my idea. I can invest in any of them! I was/am basically speaking about investors/folks that had not had the opportunity to see/visit the other side/part of Nigeria. Secondly, your PH example kind of points to what I was saying and why will you be forced to invest where you don't want or city/state you don't like? Voting can do exactly that if majority carries it and guess what those the vote didn't favor will do? They will back out! Because majority/most investors voted Enugu, Awka, or Lagos. Now compare that to Zoning! You the investor has 100% right, choice, option, and decision to buy into or invest in Lagos, PH, Ibadan, Enugu etc (depend on choices of city). Also, bear in mind that this is a fresh idea at least on NL among completely new investors in this particular project/idea and it has NEVER been tested/explored among us. I also read post/ideas and usuggestions of 4 flats of 3 bedrooms each both in Lagos and ABJ! The only thing wrong with that is "can we afford it?" How many investors are willing and ready to gamble/invest lets say N2m/N3m each for Lagos or N10m each bearing in mind and knowing the cost of a plot in Abuja?
In a knot shell, you and I seem comfortable enough to invest in any part of Nigeria except the no go areas but how many other investors are willing to do that? For instance, If we break/divide Nigeria by N.E.S.W, every single one of those region has a major city/state. A Lagos or Ibadan born/raises investors might prefer Lagos. Zoning will let him buy/bid into Lagos lot voting won't. Enugu born/raised or based investor might prefer Enugu, Awka, or Owerri! Again they have 100% free option on their own to invest!
There are different levels of risk an investor or business man can decide to take! Some go into fast selling but low profit business while others go into high profit business and had/have no problem waiting for months or even years to get their return and profit. GE is also a good example too thanks for using that! I live in the same city where they have their head office. GE is like a chain of investment in one. If I have a share or investment in GE, my profit/interest increase/grow when they provide Energy, generator, healthcare, capital, etc. Investing in them will be because I know their money comes/grown from different angles/businesses in their chain. I probably won't invest with/in them if they sell only generators for example in the US because no one really need/uses gen daily but because they are diversify, I can earn an interest of $0.03 cents per every $1000 a month on generator sales and $0.32 cents on other stuff like Energy, healthcare, and capital investments.
What we have here is different. With time and IF we grow, investors might not have problem investing anywhere especially after our ideas go through trial and pass! without that we can name Abuja, Lekki, V.I all we want it will just be stories!
Let me even ask, how many guys/investors here are willing to invest/drop N3m even if we get free land from government? Abi we go build bungalow for maitama, Lekki, and all this places guys are naming?

playah P: Non of their vital organs were missing.... Ritual is atleast ruled out!

I always suspected the NPF bt what's taking them so long to release an autopsy report!?

Atleast let's know the cause of deatth!

And don't forget that a witness once claimed to have seen them (the NPF) dumping bodies their on two occassions!!..

Release watin? Autopsy? No be only am them go release they need to release the Manualsy too!

kopell: @prince _onx am in NYC and you?

Cool! lived in NY for almost a year when i first came to the US but now reside in Cleveland OH. NY and Chicago are my two main business destination! Am there almost every other week. Presently in Chicago now and will be in NY on Monday the 11th feb. Hopefully one day we'll schedule to meet up if schedule permit. Nice hearing back from you! Cheers!

kopell: Thank you my brother, am just like you from Mushin Lagos
Grow up school in Kaduna back to Lagos then to US
Like you said, still have family their, but can't my put my
Money in some part of the state. For Security reson. I own propety in Abuja instead. Place like Lagos you're going to need more money to secure a lot of land there
Expent those inner new placese like Ibeju Lekki,badagry Ikorodu or along Ogun state border line with Lagos.
Which I believe is still going cost more then NGN 5000,
Even in Abuja satellite towns. Look at placese at your end. There is nothing wrong with Enugun I have business partners there, it a beautiful city to invest if only you can sell fast there!!!!

True talk! Lets see where ideas/opinion/options will land us. Where in the US are you based?

FLORIDACAR: @prince_onx, You just blew it well open. Yours should be a blue book on this investment.
@Spider888. Am I too forward if ask people to say YES or like this comment if they ready to invest ?

Sharing ideas and opinion with great minds like you guys only make one smarter/wiser! Moreover i have great passion for business/investments. You should see me calculating and shining eyes with all this Dow-J, NASDAQ, S&P and all that stock thing!

Any funeral arrangement yet?

@BayoAA:
You made some good point but the reason/idea behind Zoning is to allow/give people more options/choices. Personally I don't really have problem with anywhere except some security conscious states. I am an igbo guy born and raised in Lagos, spent about 11yrs in the north (Jos) before moving to USA. Someone in my position already had the opportunity of visiting and living in these places and might not have any problem investing in them but for most people or an investor that had never really been anywhere or transacted any form/kind of business there, they might prefer to invest in cities/states they're close or familiar to. Even As am typing this, am trying to think of any of my Yoruba friends (I have a lot of them) that own or had ever mention owning a property anywhere in the East! While almost all my Igbo friends own house/s in Lagos, Ibadan, etc including me. If the Zoning idea work, a Lagos base southerner/investor can easily take/drive his prospective buyer or interested friends to Ibadan to show them the house! Vs/vsa. I also don't think any Igbo investor including me will invest a dime in places like Jos anymore! I'll rather invest in Abuja but we all also know what a plot of land cost there. Folks, am not trying to say people don't invest in places like North anymore or trying to bring in tribalism but it is a hidden and sensitive fact to look at in property investments. With Zone, I can buy into Lagos, Awka/Enugu lot! But by vote, you can NEVER convince me into investing or buying into Kaduna/Kano/Jos lot! Not with all this negative news I read about those place on NL. Again am speaking from my own opinion, experience, and choices/option. Am sure a lot of more ideas and suggestion are coming in.
Also, you said something about if we rise "fine" and if we fail "so be it" if I may ask, what negative or side effect do you see coming? The reason for this Q/A, brain storming, suggestion, opinion, and ideas is to avoid that. Property is one of the safest investment in Nigeria and if we're talking reality here, then a lot need to be put in place to avoid that including involving a lawyer and securing some kind of insurance bond. A lot can cost N550k for example with only N500k actually going into the project while N50k for insurance. I will prefer and feel safer investing in a project knowing my funds are insured. Gone are those days people invest blindly and gamble for profit or lost! Anyway, am seriously following this thread bumper to bumper!

How many countries have boundaries with Nigeria? Abi this immigration guy dey count Roads to Oshodi, mushin, mile2 and co? How did he arrive at 1487 illegal and 80+ legal borders if he really know what that is?

Stanley321: This is my work as A̶̲̥̅ learner

Your Oyibo get black man hand lol!

Fhemmmy: Ummmm . . . I am sure it should be possible somehow, not sure though cos might be long distance for some people, just an idea though and we could find ways to fine tune and make something work

If we set up one here in the US it will be a long distance call for guys calling from naija! Anyway, make we reach that stage first!

jites: @ spyder888, Oga spyder, i no hear from you with regards to the question i posted above, i know say you head is doing overtime right now with your new idea/ project but no forget us o, i still need your help big time o. I am loyal
good evening

N35 is a bargain per block! And remember even half blocks are counted as one (N35 too). I was quoted N40 per block for mine but who really has time to count full and half blocks? I ended up negotiating the project stage by stage! You might wanna consider doing that. Cheers!

Fhemmmy: Ummmmm . . . I will suggest a Teleconference for the first couple of meetings to give chance to those that dont reside in Nigeria . . . Or even some residing in Nigeria but might not be able to travel to the location of choice.

Good idea but do conference call for groups work in Naija? Here we have a free conference line where 100s of people can call in and get connected but I don't know about naija!

chingyjant: Share case of mummy mummy you can Lie.....o

Huh? I honestly don't think even TBJ can interpret what you just typed/said! Back at you! Lol!

Eisenhower: anybody that say ghost don't exist is living in illusion.
my mom's elder brother died in an accident leaving his wife and children, years after we got reports that he was found in Benin, married to another woman and had a family there...so ghost exist people. beware!

Why the guy no move go better place like Abuja, obodoyibo, since him na ghost?

Am sure ghost do exist! As a matter of fact 20% of NL's are ghost cux real human wont say some of the things you guys yearn!

Is he accepting more delivery addresses? I want mine to be in Dollars though lol and the dead guy can even deliver it himself as long as na cash we go know how to do the living/dead thing lol


All this una stories dey always be somebody say, my mom will kill you with all those "they said/say story" Chicken started dancing, the whole leafs on tree dry up, the river started flowing backwards or changed to blood, they just showed the lady where the man was buried 10yrs ago! At the end of the day Momsy no carry her eyes see even one from the 60s to 70s to 80s to 90s (4,5,6 decades of story story)? Abeg make I go do number 2 joorrr!

Scarpon: I say gorgeous

Bros abeg stop misusing and useless English word Biko! If this na gorgeous watin you go come call Hally Berry?

spyder880: Outside the eastern axis is still within Nigeria , let us keep the options open and reach a decision after considering all it will involve. If there is ready money and I am sure of getting the project completed in a short time, then we will look at all costs associated with it. We must also remember that we are planning with N10m as our target sum. Thank you for your contributions.

Ofcox outside the Eastern region is also Nigeria but realistically most investors especially in properties tend to invest in a region they're familiar with, probabely had spend some time/yrs in, and have some kind of ties to. For instance guys and please am not trying to introduce some tribal war, superiority, or differences here but a Southern investor/guy that grew up between Lagos and Ibadan will definately prefer investing in the South and like wise someone/investor from the East based in Enugu or Awka. Having said that, and like some of you had previously asked, how do we decide on a location?

This is what I will suggest/propose: (just 2 for now)
1. Categorize investors into two or more groups. Example:
Eastern Zone, Southern Zone, etc
2. Draw a plan, make an estimate/quote of start to finish of intended project.

Am very sure more ideas will come up/in but my idea/reason for zoning is to allow investors the option of buying into zones they prefer instead of voting. If for instance a bugalow project is intended to kick off in Awka or Enugu, and estimated for N4m for example, it's lot price can be set at N500k (8 investors) or even less people if more than one lot is bought! Same for a duplex, etc depending on what sells fast in the area. I can chose to buy into this lot if I prefer the East and same apply to someone that prefer to buy into a lot for Lagos/Ibadan. This will completely eliminate the voting thing and free market is the way to go in any investment. Investors can even (co-op) drag in friends or families to make up their own lot if they all prefer the area/city/state as long as they qualify and play by the rule. Seriously brain storming for more ideas and waiting to hear what you guys have in mind! Cheers!

mamathrice: Well - am back from the interview and I did what I said I would do. I told the truth, held nothing back. I was told that my lies caused my previous refusals and I had broken the first rule of the system by lying.

I was given the visa. I left the embassy in tears. Even though I was given, it is still a very painful experience, especially as it was something that I could have avoided with a little honesty.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who ever finds herself in my shoes. Tell the truth and keep your dignity. It might not alwaysget you what you want but you will be able to hold your head high in the end.

The US will NEVER EVER issue you a visa after lying in your first/original interview, and the following two times you went back. Let me get this right, you went back this morning then explain to them, told the truth, and the VO now told you that you were denied the last time because you lied and now that you said the truth, here is your visa? Pleasassseee! If you can trick them with pregnancy knowing or not knowing, paid medical bills or not, which US born citizens can get waived if you know what papers to file! what make you think they believe your age? Your name? How are they sure you're not another Abdul mutalab or whatever his name is? And present purpose of traveling? You can NEVER lie under oat and change it and then receive a benefit from the US government. Your first story/post in this thread is incomplete! As for the "I went back and just told the truth thing" and got a visa, biggest lie on top of the original lie.
You don't have to prove anything to me cux this is a field I know too much about!

spyder880: Thank you for all your contributions in this thread and in the previous thread from which we came over here. I note your advice that I should look at Lagos and Abuja, yes I am thinking about this on a national scale, but where do we start first? We have to start from a city and work our way to other cities/states. I don't want to make any suggestions, lets keep the floor open for more comments.

The sitting period (the period between when the house is built and when its sold) is very important to me. I know that properties tend to appreciate even when it is not sold immediately but my target is for quick sales. A quicker selling duration will ensure we keep the business viable, more locations will be explored and more building styles introduced. To this effect I am planning to hinge my sales plan on the reduction in the overall cost of the land, and the building itself. If we build cheaper, we can also sell cheaper beating the competition out there.

Let us keep the suggestions coming.

You almost lost me or rather I was kind of confused when I read something about face-me-I face-you and also when I read about rent! I was already shaking my head and saying no until I read the above post and I think I clicked on one of the other links. For sure renting is completely out of the way and an average fund recovery period for rental property is estimated between 15-18yrs according to price/location (don't ask me for prove or fact! I don't have one na them say them say). So having said that, your above/quoted plan sounds better especially in a partnership form of business. I also know that as individual, we can and have also invested in properties in our local, familiar, and affordable cities/states but as Kopell rightly said, this proposal has to extend to cities with more/high property value, appreciate/fast growing, and most importantly sales quick! But to face the fact without sounding negative, can we afford those cities and states? Yes Abuja is a fast growing state like we all know, I don't know if I can comfortably say the same about Lagos but we all also know what plots of land cost there. Having said that, I will like to know/ask the possibility of acquiring land through the government and at government price. @Spyder pls don't take my question the wrong way because I am also a Nigerian and know how things are in naija and the type/kind of government we have but have you explored that option before? Do you think it's doable/possible? If No, then the idea will be to start locally since that's the way one/we can get cheap/affordable family owned land but if you think it's possible going through the government, then a proposal need to be prepared and presented to them. Awaiting more ideas and contribution all the same.

fitzmayowa: This space is for sale

How much?


Never mind, I don't even know what to say to this gay muda4|<a
Sell am to another person.