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Thank you sir,

felifeli:
" There is nowhere in the Bible where it is written that tithing and giving offering is compulsory .But if you want to trust God with your finances you should even strive to do more than the tithe "

This was a part of the message of the G.O of MFM Ministries this morning at the international headquarters .

My own words:
So, what do you say scoffers? If you like chop nkwobi and Isi ewu and gulder with your money, if you like give it to your church . The choice is your. God no get address and no bank account.

is that all you are familiar with in all his works, i suggest you sit and digest his works. And mind you his first predictions did not come to pass till 400 years afterwards. Now that sort of talent, skill and gift, do you think its based solely on science. its you guys that have a logical explanation for everything, explain this then.

mmsen:
What point do you wish to make about Nostradamus?

Did he not claim that the world would cease to exist before now?

Set the bible aside, are you familiar with the works of Nostradamus?. He was not a Christian, at least not a known one. How did he get to know all those things he mentioned?. I am assuming atheists do not believe in any form of spirituality, cause it doesn't make sense to deny the existence of a God but accept that there is a devil.

mmsen:
All human beings come from two other human beings.

Anything else is, at best, speculation. At worst, gross stupidity.

You cannot verify your deity which is why you hide behind the word 'faith'.

Facts can be supported with evidence.

An atheist is one who doesn't believe in the existence of God or gods right? well if that's all they don't believe in then that's just plain stupid. Do atheists believe there is a spiritual realm? cause if they don't, then that's even more pathetic. Now if they believe in science, which everyday evolves, then they are hopeless, cause in 20years who knows if science would advance to the stage we can relate to spirit beings, then what becomes of their faith or lack of it.

is it by force, na wah o, this argentina people. we shall spank them again, they are now our wives. But I like iceland and croatia

all this happened cause he sacked the wrong man, may our foes miscalculate in our favour in Jesus name.

young and not an iota of shame, this is the trend nowadays. This is what our society has become, this is what the devil has spread amongst us. The sad thing is that the parents might be oblivious to what is happening right underneath their nose, while they chase money.

This is what happens when you put too much trust in someone, people react differently when disappointed, she most definitely has serious anger issues. What a pity, the poor baby is literally an orphan overnight. And to think these ones have money o.

This is a very intelligent King in my opnion, what he is doing now may look strange to us cause we are used to coronating our kings and then they go into hiding at the palace until they die. This man is in your face, he is in everyone's face, and in 21st-century marketing that is a big deal. I am sure if you make a random survey even here on nairaland and ask people to list 5 Nigerian Monarchs in 1 min, Ooni's name would pop up more than 90% of the time. And as they say, there really is no bad publicity, as long as you are in peoples subconsciousness. This is a 21 century re-defined King.

Bros calm down, if you are going somewhere in life be prepared to meet various humans in life - especially women, there is a set that the devil has unleashed at this time whose sole purpose is to anger you with their words, die in the process of being touched and cut shot men's destiny. I am not kidding o, beware of women.

Zeze06:
I hate it when people say "no matter what her offence is" what is all this naa
If a woman talking provocatively, she should learn to bear the consequence, after all we are "equal"...

Yes as must as ladies can be very annoying with their mouth this days, you must as a man remember that words spoken to you may hurt, but can not be used as evidence for your case, your hand marks on her however can. And there are tonnes of feminist groups that would jump on this and ridicule this man. They are coming for this guy now, and they would make an example of him, watch. Chris Brown's case is yet to end till date.

I find it hard to reconcile this man here and the one that holds big wraps of weed. What happened to him?. I believe Fela could have fulfilled his purpose of speaking for the common man trough his brand of music without all the complications he attached to himself. He might have been great as a radical activist but surely not as a moral standard.

Yes o, we have arrived, and this is just the beginning. On this very stadium that has hosted the giants like Eyimba and Kano Pillars will commence the hosting of the likes of TP Mazembe and Zamalek to think we only joined top league football some 2 seasons ago. That is what the God of MFM does, He makes us shine even in the midst of our foes. I can see MFM playing FC Barcelona very soon at the world club tournament.

Nice one makes sense. Now the OP should have asked Ms teacher first, the evidence of "too know" syndrome before jumping to Nairaland. She might have explained the logic.

wahles:
its Quantitative Reasoning! She was required to break it into hundred tens nd unit, in dz case 300(hundred) 00(tens) 0(unit) compare an contrast

There is something fundamentally wrong with the fabric of our genes at these times in this society. why would some one write something so stupid yet get so much responses. That has become the trend, if you want fame, get on social media, and challenge the norm or write something so stupid everyone sees it, and overnight fame comes, when did we degrade to such a general acceptance of stupidity. Idris the musician is doing it, same with that freeze. We have to learn to ignore stupid people because all they want is fame, your condemnations do not bother them one bit.

No Sir, not all deaths in a car with running engine is Carbon Monoxide. If CO was killing the way people like to believe, then almost all of us with Air conditioning should be dead by now. For CO to develop, all available oxygen most have being consumed, so we are talking of cars with AC running parked in closed places like garages, underground parking or even in water filled pot holes that block exhaust not those parked in open ground. Else drivers that sleep in cars with running ac would all be dying. As for me I suspect a spiritual angel to this, ofcourse autopsy would come up with a report. Poor family, evil woman.

dayleke:
Carbon Monoxide poisoning ma....

The touching part is that they generate more electricity from windmills than from 40 Nuclear reactors. There is no real future for economies that rely solely on crude.

While I understand fully well what the parents have done, which is tough love i find it hard to draw the line when it becomes child abuse. LIke the other time, we heard of parents chaining their children as a form of punishment. Children are the responsibility of Parents, so discipline is very key, and trashing is part of discipline. my hair still stand at the thought of lashes I used to receive when little, and I still recollect the offenses vividly. I will never succumb to not disciplining children, and in my opinion this is not too much either, the only issue is at what point should society and the law accept discipline as child abuse. And by the way, i doubt if any human rights group will succeed in wining this particular case in court, especially before a female judge who most likely might understand the need for tough love on a female ward.

Pity, Cause thats a good lady there. That she took time to explain her motive and even said sorry, ah that's a considerate person. 90% of ladies wont even bother to say goodbye, they'ld rather keep you in limbo pending when the oyinbo man is confirmed. So wish her well, and move on.

Well if it makes you sleep better, you can hold that thought and live by it, after all what you don't know may never hurt you.

0m0nnakoda:
Many people have escaped. How Many
Rich people Big cars? What is a rich person ? What is a big car?
That people came to buy parts means it must be for money ritual? It could be for anything ? We have also heard stories of pastors involved in rituals for so called spiiritual power, to win elections,soldier to repel gunshots, armed robbers for fortification etc We heard of the guy who made peppersoup with human parts and so it is very plausible that some people have a taste for human meat and pay good money for it . If a cow can go for 300000 or more why not human beings for 2 or 3 times that amount.
A bowl of human pepper could go for 10000 to people who believe it will give them long life or spiritual powers etc. This is speculation on my part but I will not claim to know something because it is plausible to me
Kidnapping for ritual is "On the increase" > How do you know ? What may be on the increase is the reporting of these incidents just like the reporting on fathers impregnating daughters and children being raped and so on. We now have the internet and information spreads more quickly. That does not mean that fathers are sleeping with their daughters more or children are being raped more.Maybe they are but we just don't have that information.
Whether or not there is blood money depends of PROOF not circumstantial evidence.

When I was a kid people believed there was such a thing as red mercury and that could somehow be used to to get stupendous wealth.Many people were scammed on this account and even up till today it still happens . People use to believe that joysticks were being magically stolen and still do to this day yet NOT ONE PHOTOGRAPH has emerged of a De-Penised man. I could go on and on about the foolish beliefs that are very firmly held by ignorant Nigerians that does not make them true
The fact that a particular foolishness is widespread does not make it true.
Your logic is very faulty and based on a predetermined conclusion. The question is have you met anyone with this ritual money??


In East Africa Albinos are killed for the same reason whine the Chinese believe that Elephant tusks and Rhino horns have special powers and many of these animals are killed for nothing yearly.

Lazy people refuse to think and follow the crowd blindly. Yes we should keep an open mind but the truth is currently there is no evidence to justify the claim that there is ritual money.No evidence whatsoever

Nigeria is supporting the breakaway of a state from Morocco and wont support its own breakup, What I know is that Countries get illegal contractors to supply arms when they want to dip their hands into dirty stuff. The only logical conclusion is that Turkeys support is henceforth non existent.

mansakhalifa:
The day somebody on this forum confirmed to me that the Erkahraman guy is an ethnic Kurd was the day I knew something fishy was up as far as this "Turkish diplomat" thing was concerned. You don't have to be a genius to know that Turkey would never support a secessionist agitation in another State when it is battling its own in the form of the Kurdish Worker's Party or PKK. Such action would be counter-productive in the long-run as it would serve to urge the PKK on. FYI,the founder of the PKK,Abdullah Ocalan has been in jail for decades now.

Bros, don't use physical laws to address what is obviously a spiritual issue. It would never make sense, that You and I haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Infact, that science cannot yet explain something doesn't disprove that it has existed or is existing. Neither can you dispute it if you have not carried out any tangible research.

Lets look at the pointers around blood money.
1. Many people have escaped from ritualist dens and lived to tell us the tale, so we know ritual killings exist
2. The story on the lips of those that have escaped is always similar. Rich people come to buy concealed human parts in big cars
3. If the blood money wasnt working, would rich people in cars keep coming
4. Would kidnapping for ritual purposes be on the increase. Demand and supply

It would be insane for anyone to deny that there is nothing called blood money if you have not carried out your research into the bushes of Ogun state with evidences to disprove it.

Niflheim:
@profmallor,

The so called money rituals are alleged to generate paper money out of thin air!!! A violation of both the laws of conservation of mass and Energy!!! Where did the new matter and energy come from? Paper is matter and has mass!!!

Maybe you should start by asking your self what is money?. Is money the paper, cause if you know the history of money, you will know one basic fact that what ever value of currency in your hands is supposed to be worth an equivalent worth of Gold in the treasury. Money as paper in what ever currency is useless and worthless, Its only mans agreed form of tender. See for example bitcoins, bitscoins is solely man made, doesnt not even have a government regulation or control, doesn't come from a central bank, is not even physical and yet is money.

If the system of this world belongs to the devil I dont think enriching someone with paper notes would be an issue at all. And why would it affect inflation, if all the devil is doing is taking from one owner and giving to another. Don't over think blood money because its a spiritual activity. Trying to use physical methods to prove or disprove a spiritual activity can only meet a dead end

Niflheim:
@op,

If it was real, then it would have had a serious effect on the inflation rate.

Also, the Law of Conservation of Energy has never, can never and will never be violated, so where did all that money come from?

Money rituals is real and yet Nigerians are smoking lizard shit to get high? They can't afford Colombian Coco?

LOL, you think you know but you don't because you have based your knowledge on perceptions. Yes the highlighted in red is true even for you, cause 6 - 12 generations ago your forefathers were all traditionalists( they are neither Christians nor Muslims), who engaged in slavery, worshiped idols and sacrificed people. And guess what, because you are not in America now called by the name Jackson or Washington shows its was your forefathers that conquered others and not the other way round.

Your ignorance is astronomical. That a race conquering another doesn't dispute the existence of the defeated prowess or power. Go back into history and you well records of conquerors adopting ways of life or technologies of conquered territories. Even during WW2, although Americans conquered Germany, the Americans took the best of German scientists, engineers and technology along with them, so your argument doesnt have any based. Equally America could not defeat Vietnam despite their superior Army and machines.

That they defeated Africans is not proof of the lack of our technology, after all, there are lots of Africans that have excelled even in the things Caucasians invented.

I advise you to research on your history and you will be shocked at how far your ancestors had gone before they fell backwards to the oyinbo man. And Yes there is African techonolgy, pity an Oyinbo man had to come and out them in books and google for you to know your own history.

Deicide:
I mixed both

@Reded you are very stupid!! the power they acquired that enabled them not to be enslaved by the whites? and pls which technilogy does african has?

see now you dont even know your own history. Its white people that did all those story you listed, your ancestors were fighting wars, enslaving other tribes and villages, sacrificing whole humans and new borne babies to acquire power. Yes, spiritual and demonic power for dominating other humans. The sort of power that makes blood money look like childs play. Knowledge is good yes, but even that is relative. What is knowledge today is disputed tomorrow as technology and science as the white man defines it evolves. Africa has its own techonlogy if you must know, and one of such is this topic being discussed. Know your history so your understanding of your future can be clearer.

And I still insist, a black man as an atheist is a very sad story.

Deicide:
Our Ancestors that believed the Earth was Flat know better? That thought the sun revolved around the earth? That though lightning and thunderstorm were because one of the Gods was Angry and the needed human sacrifice? Should i go on am sorry our Ancestors didn't know any better than we do today. Now is the better time to start grabbing knowledge wherever you can as for me i would only accept verifiable evidence.

Man do Evil things and they should stop blaming their evil actions on an imaginary being. People should learn to take responsibility for their actions

Very easy and cool this days to claim one is becoming an atheist. If all people are atheist is should not be a black man, your ancestors know better. Fine you may wish to deny God, but can you honestly come to a reasonable conclusion that there is no devil?. If the devil exists, do you think he would be limited enough not to give people who sell their souls to him riches by making sacrifices of themselves or others?.

Japhet04:
This question has been on my mind for a very long time now, and seeing that post on front page on how a girl escaped the hands of kidnappers who wanted to sell her body parts to rich men, who are most likely into money rituals, so my question goes, does it actually work because if it doesn't I don't think it would have an increasing number of participants.

PS.- I have no ulterior motive for asking this, it's just that I'm a freethinker and have to get my self cleared on the fact that no spirituality exists in this world before I fully become an atheist.

The Black man has a huge problem. And its so sad that he hides behind a finger and likes to believe he is at par with the white man when he cant even get basic things right at his own backyard.

That a prophesy comes to pass or not is not proof that the messenger is from God. The devil likewise shows visions.

I will encourage as many people to join this yearly MFM 70 days fasting and prayer sessions. There is nothing like you cannot do it, as you know, you can do all things through Christ that strengthens you. Today I am a member of MFM, obvious from some of my comments, however some 16 years ago I wasnt. As I always tell people, I actuallly hated MFM members, and felt they were too hash and not-scriptural. However I had a brief encounter with what I now know was an arrow back in University. For a whole year, many lectures were missed, could not focus and 2 surgeries. Not to mention the ile alfas, wolis and pastors. ah i drank so much anointing oil no result. Until I walked into a MFM church out of having no more options and that day, coincidentally was supposed to be the beginning of the 70 days fasting and prayer. So I bought a copy, returned to my hostel and tried, note tried( cause i was not used to such prayers) to pray the prayers and fast along with it. Bret hen, within 3 days the issue of more than 365 days just vanished, just like that. I doubt if I would ever have come of MFM is I didnt encounter that challenge at that time, but I m glad I did cause today everyone in my family is an MFM member. You dont necessarily need to join MFM, but you should avail yourself of the opportunity to pray and fast this session by utilizing the book/app. Even if you think everything about your life is currently perfect, do pray for the future.

You are a good man, thanks!

nairalandbuzz:
Just go to play store and search for MFM 2017

Prayer and Fasting Booklet = https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.st.seventydays
Mountain Top Life Devotional = https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.st.mountaintoplife

God Bless you Bros, please what does one search for to locate the app of Google Play store?.

nairalandbuzz:
Lovely.... I already bought the MFM 70 Days Fasting Book App from Google Play Store for N500 and I am using that... But normally, the first section is always for thanksgiving but this year, na straight into action! I cant wait!

I also have the MFM Mountain Top Life Daily Devotional from Play Store... Its great using those apps... Even after formatting my phone, it brought back my purchase using my email address...

That is productivity.