₦airaland Forum

@ Donzman and TayoD, thanks so much for putting things in perspective.

ell77:
I hope its not jealousy? All I know is that the people who speak the worst about Nigeria in my presence are those who live there. I suppose if you secretly want to leave your country, but can't, it is painful for others who have managed to do so to turn around and tell you how rubbish the place u currently stay is. So I understand the bitterness,

you hit the nail on the head. It is not a mere coincidence that the most vocal members of the "i love Nigeria" brigade live in Nigeria or Cambodia.

Paw-Paw:
I don't buy any software. If you want Vista let me know.

and they tell us they love Nigeria. Bunch of fraudsters and criminals.

@PTH - I hail u o.

All those diasporic ghetto living black a rsed small dicked nincompoops who thinks nothing good can exuberate from the Nigerian entity

wrong usage. Please check the meaning of exuberate before attempting to use it.

they come here and vituperate ignoble vocal kneoptism in the name Nigeria,

kneoptism does not exist, do not hoodwink the people.

They are hegemonically rejected, by their colour, they are nothing where they are, they are referred to as black niggers and affrodeisic cocoons

affrodeisic does not exist, again do not decieve the people with manufactured words.

We have spoken.

we know you have spoken, the main question is what really have you spoken?

simply_me:
@PTH - I hail u o.

All those diasporic ghetto living black a rsed small dicked nincompoops who thinks nothing good can exuberate from the Nigerian entity, they come here and vituperate ignoble vocal kneoptism in the name Nigeria, they cast gigiantic aspersions on mother land Nigeria, they concur within their minds that Nigeria is doomed for apocalyptical destruction, they reveal what they wish to bombard the country with - but we know better - we shall remain patriotic against all those diasporic nincompoops - they are jittery because they know Nigeria is getting better to those days - days of yore when it is the never do wells who make their way to America or Europe - days of youre where it is not a big deal to travel out of Nigeria - they are afraid that they will not have any mouth when they come home when Nigeria becomes great.

They are hegemonically rejected, by their colour, they are nothing where they are, they are referred to as black niggers and affrodeisic cocoons - they find no place there and find no place here - this is why they write anything against the country - we know them and we shall mow them down one by one.

We have spoken.

General secretary of NAIN. welcome madam.  
- where are the rest of the "i love nigeria" brigade?

Paw-Paw:
Shango is right. If you don't like us go back to shit carrying duties. We've had enough, there's a revolution going on here. I have only one country, and its called Nigeria. If you don't like us, take a hike. Bye and god riddance. Enogh of American based half Nigerians taken over a Nigerian site. Na who born monkey.

You have only one country and so do the Ghanains, Russians, Americans, Italians, Greeks, Jews e.t.c. so you have really said nothing new.
If you love your country so, i expect you to be at the NEPA substation trying to help them get electricity supply back to at least the standard of wartorn Baghdad not using generators to come and insult us here.

[size=18pt]Please beware: shit packing in progress.[/size]

are you surprised? we have been submerged by members of the "i love Nigeria" brigade of hypocrites.
Their moto seems to be - defending the indefensible.

Sijien:
i agree with it that is why i brought it here. abi no be so? see i know my limitation and i know that i can't argue long like other people. but i know something tha makes snese when i see it. and what u said makes no sense.

no problemo, sociology can never make sense to a man who studies plant biology no matter how many years he spends reading textbooks.

You have not pointed out anything that does not make sense so there is really nothing to talk about here. Carry on with ur preconcieved notions of what the problem with Nigeria is.

50kobo:
WORD!

Please stop shouting leadership! leadership! An ordinary citizen today will become a leader tomorrow if he doesn't change his attitude now, is it when he becomes a leader he will change?

The problem is with our attitudes! chxt has said it!

please don't spew jagajantis at this topic, some people have done nuff of that already in the naira-re denominated thread!

Dear sir, how do you advocate we change our attitudes? What attitude do we have that is so radically different from that of every other member of the planet or are we a cursed nation?

things worked in Nigeria up until 1979, what made our attitudes change then?

Afam:
I agree that the market is larger but I am sure they would have considered the same thing here if the government stops patronizing them.

Based on sheer volume of software licenses alone (by government of course) Microsoft makes enough money not to give serious thought to the issue of piracy in Nigeria.

Maybe the day the government stops patronizing them things may change.

It is impossible for the Nigerian government to do so. Maybe when we start manufacturing our own computers we can afford to stand up to them. As long as all we do is import, we have no choice. Its not like the computers come with no operating systems already pre-installed anyway.

Nigeria's 300,000 reservists possess missiles with a range of 1000 miles.

Some people need to study a few pages of immigration law before exhibiting their ignorance here.
I wont be surprised if they reply with insults.

Sijien:
ave never seen a worse answer. if you're really davidylan then this effort is a pure disappointment i swear.

no stress buddy, everyone else is entitled to their oppinion. I havent seen A SINGLE post on what your oppinion is on this issue, rather you piggy back on another man's PERSONAL OPPINION and peddle it around like the holy grail and expecting every other post to agree with it. Not so brother.

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave

herdey2tu:
@PTH
tick tick!

another dimwitt trying to soound intelligent.

herdey2tu:
your reply still did not answer my question my question.

go thru your earlier post, there was no question of meaninfful intelligence that warranted an answer. What right have you to expect me to answer your literal meanderings?

herdey2tu:
It is the mentality u carry about you and your country that makes brings out thr racism in the white. i happen to have a couple of american friends, when i ask them where they get their derroratory statement about Nigeria, they are acclaim their sources to Nigerians living amongst them.

How come you never hear how bad life is in liberia, or Senegal or even life in Ghana!

stuff and nonsense! Whites were racist to blacks in 1930, what had they heard of Africa that brought out the racist in them? The problem is many of you dont think through ur responses before posting! A white man will be racist whether you tell him about Africa or not. Many white americans cant even point to Iraq on the world map and America has been fighting a war there for the last 4 yrs.

Americans dont need me to make derogatory statements about them before they make up their minds. William Jefferson, a US congressman, is currently being indicted on charges of accepting bribe from Atiku Abubakar (ur former vice president!), Andy Uba escaped jail by whiskers for money laundering in the US, Alams escaped bail in  the UK, Nigerian 419 fraudsters have become the target of ABC news . . . what else does the average American need to conclude that Nigeria is a nation of fraudsters and criminals?

You dont hear stuff from Senegal and Ghana because their government officials are not iindicted of criminal charges in foreign countries neither do they jump bail like common thieves!

herdey2tu:
i am not being a mediocre, am just sick and tired of people whining about how bad things are or how worse things will get, no body wants to talk about the solutions.
Americans built their land. It was never rosy at the begining. Go and study their history.

bla bla stuff and nonsense! If America went about building their land by being hypocrites, enduring corruption and patting mediocrity and government ineptitude on the back they too would be a banana republic today. Maybe you are the one who needs to study their history.

Yeah it was never rosy at the begining but it was neither so completely corrupt too!

It is ignorant people like you who accuse those who advocate a better government in Nigeria of whining. Yes you're not whining but of what benefit has it been to u to pretend that all is well in a land where 70% live below the poverty line?
You are lucky, you are among the minority of Nigerians who can afford a computer to come online and insult others.

Paw-Paw:
@PTH
This was what you said, am not surprised you can't defend it. I exposed your patriotism to America and your denigration of Nigeria for all to see. My question remains though, why don't you try American forums, see how they recieve you there. You are here defending America to the hilt and yet they wouldn't spit on you even if you're on fire. E Kpele oo

this like all your other dumb posts addressed to me are a disgrace for someone of your intelligence. Where in my posts have you seen patriotism to America? Rather i have chosen to highlight the fact that it is disingenous to in your attempt to appear patriotic to Nigeria tell DELIBERATE lies about Nigeria just like you and denex have consistently done.

No one is defending America, we are only making a comparison.

they wont spit on me if i were on fire? what a tool, i have health insurance fully paid for by the US government despite the fact that i have never fallen sick in 2 yrs! Stop making a fool of urself, the US government has done more for me than the Nigerian government will ever doo for u in 50 yrs.

You make so much noise and i ask you, does your government have a health insurance policy for u in case of emergency? God forbid but what if you have a medical condition that requires urgent attention abroad? will you not like all others before u not be forced to solicit public support?
What about ur fire service? do they now have water in their trucks?

What a bunch of hypocrites!

denex:
Your thinking faculties or you mean your hare brain?

lol hare-brained is actually an english expression for dullness or a low mental capacity. It is not equivalent to indicating that you have the brain of a hare! Some hares are smarter than certain humans u know.

herdey2tu:
@PTH i really would like to know who you are?

i have been to the supposedly "first class" country you are so proud of, believe me if you really are of African American descent,or African, then i pity you and your mentality.

i reserve any futher comment from me until your family tree is confirmed truthfully.

u dont need to know me dear ma.

@ your post; it is disingenous to claim that i am proud of "first class" countries when infact i am ashamed that people with one head and 2 eyes like me could build nations that make mine look like we are still stuck in the 16th century.
Dear ma, are you proud of your own nation?

What is there to be pitied about my status and mentality? Infact it is your own mediocre mentality that shld be pitied, a mentality that celebrates mediocrity and failure for the mere sake of misplaced patriotism is to be bemoaned!

@ paw paw, your write up deserves no comment.

Sijien:
it looks like denex is correct about you.

are you really davidylan?

whatever.

Pth talks about making a false allegation based on the ethnicity of Americans, then goes on to define ethnicity as race. He has gotten it so totally wrong. The ethnic issues in Nigeria are rivalries between people of the same race. The ethnic issues in India which I used as an example are rivalries between people of the same race. The history of the US is littered with cases of rivalries between people of the same race: Italian Americas versus WASPs as an example. In America at the moment, there is a sort of rivalry brewing between African Americans and blacks who emigrated from Africa. That is the difference. He also shows a total lack of knowledge of British history by attempting to gloss over the differences in the United Kingdom. But that is not the point under discussion here, he should go and watch Braveheart.

There is very little to hold unto here, more like trying to make a lot of rabble to pass on a point that wont stick.
Yeah there are "ethnic rivalries" between people of the same race in America but have you ever heard of Italian Americans demanding that political office be zoned to only Americans of Italian origin for a particular period?

Have you ever heard of Latinos demanding a state of their own within the US? Ever heard of blacks demanding it is now the turn of the black man to rule the USA? Is federal allocation based on ethnicity in the USA? Is there evidence of quota system (dont mention affirmative action here pls), federal character operating in the US, India, Britain?
Where is the rivalry brewing between black americans and blacks of african origin? Is it really a political issue in the USA that would cause Bush to lose his sleep? Lets' be candid here!

Please when we make examples let us be sure we even know what we are arguing about. Whatever differences exist in Britain, i am yet to hear of a zoning formula. No where did i define ethnicity as a race.

The 'meat' of his assertion is that Nigeria's problems boil down to leadership. TRUE! Very true. But in making that assertion he has forgotten that age old statement which I have quoted on this blog before: The people deserve the government that they have.

He has to ask himself this question: the leaders in Nigeria, did they drop from space? Wasn't Orji Kalu a 'floor member' of the community 20 years ago? Fasola who is chasing shadows (sorry, women) in Lagos finished from UNIBEN. He wasn't a rich man then.

Once again let me reiterate: as long as the attitudes remain the same, people would always do the same crap when they get into office. Simple.

You are very right but is it so simple to merely claim that our problems are solely the fault of the people? Where we not the same people when we had leaders like Nnamdi Azikiwe and Awolowo? Like Ono rightly pointed out, is ignorance solely responsible for our problems? The citizens of Dubai are not as learned as we are and yet their entire country is a tourist attraction.

Our issue is not the people BUT the political institutions we have in place. As long as we have a political document (the constitution) that gives ample room for corruption, sacrifices merit on the altar of quota system and gives undue advantage to land mass rather than productivity, we will remaiin underdeveloped no matter how intelligent we becoome.

Sijien, i know that stuff you quoted came from chxta eh. . .  or whoever. I will be back to take on the issues raised on that rejoinder much later. Its sad that such an individual refused to put the quote under their own ID rather choosing to hide under urs to continue perpetuating ignorance and myopia.

denex:
@PTH


just for your information, I love smoking, I preach smoking, that's why I put a profile pic of me smoking. So if you think you're trying to get at me by mentioning smoking, you're only promoting in.

You should download that picture because it may not be there in a while.


So what do you do besides eating?

lol besides eating i also engage my thinking faculties rather than hiding behind the computer screen to lie and make noise. What do ya do besides smoking?

denex:
@PTH earlier known as davidylan


must you be this dull? When professionals take military training where they are signed up as reserves, after this, do you think they would go back to their regular jobs or the government will fly them off to the moon?

After people go on Short Service Commissions and make themselves available for future call up, would they go back to their ordinary lives or does it entitle them to a lifetime of lunar tourism?

Please stop thinking with your hare brain.

so where are ur 300,000 Nigerian reservists oh man of infinite wisdom?

denex:
So the people wey complain about monkey virus in polio vaccines in tin US and Canada as early as the 1960s are from Northern Nigeria.

The Nicaraguans and mexicans that complained about abortion drugs in Tetanus vaccine, they are from Northern Nigeria.

The women that secured a court injunction in the Phillipines against being vaccinated, are they northerners?

The pharmacists that carried out tests in South Africa, are they Northerners?

Was it northerners that spread those lies on the internet? Considering you have already confirmed that they are all illiterates that don't use the internet.

And what ethnic benefits do I have to reap. Afterall, all our children here in the South drank excess of the vaccine which will begin manifesting widespread infertility and cancer when they mature.

huh?  i still don't get the point of this post. So because there were previous cases of vacciine contamiination every claim of contamination is now to be accepted as credible?

There was once an issue of the importation of killer beans, should we then ban the importation of beans altogether or do we agree that petrol can no longer be trusted to be safe since we once had issues of smelly fuel? The amount of circular reasoning we see here on a daily basis is amazing.

@ denex, the links you posted make no difference. YES the US has an army reserve, everybody is aware of that, infact i have several forms in the mail almost on a monthly basis for recruitment into the US army reserves so you have said nothing new.

here is the crux of the matter - where are the 300,000 reservists you claim Nigeria has? Are they in the moon that we cannot see them?

Short service combatants is not the same as army reservists! Stick to issues you know best, smoking!

laudate:
Haba! No talk this one. How can you say complaints have not been made, when it has been in the press, the northern doctors have publicised the results of the lab tests, and even some news media have carried stories of the North rejecting the vaccines?

In the south, people are much too busy chasing survival strategies that they leave main issues like this on the back burner, until it is too late! Afterwards, they run to church seeking for miracles, when a little prevention and caution could have nipped the whole thing in the bud.

No vex o, but I beg to disagree with your stand on this issue.

yup, you are more than welcome to disagree on my stand, that is the essence of debate in itself, the right to disagree.

Here's my point -
- it is too flimsy to disregard the complete silence from the south as being down to them being too busy to worry about survival. We are not so brain dead as not to take seriously issues that pertain to vaccination of babies. Infact unlike the south that has almost completely eradicated the polio virus, it is the north (the noisemakers) who account for 79% of cases of the polio virus in the whole world.

- Yes, rumors, falsehood and misrepresentation of facts can be "widely" reported in the news, it does not make them facts.

- If indeed the Kano doctors have publicised their findings, why is the Federal Government yet to take up the issue with UNICEF? Where are these Indian doctors whose laboratory the findings where allegedly made? Are they sworn to secrecy on this matter?

Those are issues that cannot just be swept under the carpet just because we want to be seen as being patriotic.

Here are a few quotes taken at random from the sites Denex referenced:

PESHAWAR: The anti-polio campaign in NWFP suffered a severe setback following the unprecedented refusal of 70 percent of the province’s population to take the vaccine. According to sources, the failure of the drive has been attributed to negative propaganda that the vaccine causes impotency in male children and triggers puberty in female children.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C11%5C19%5Cstory_19-11-2006_pg7_14

Add Canada to the list of countries performing research suggesting a monkey virus that contaminated the polio vaccine in the 1950s and early 1960s is causing cancer among the millions who received the vaccine. According to news reports, similar findings have been replicated in New Zealand, China, Britain, France, Switzerland, and Belgium.

When reports first came in, researchers had thought that Simian Virus 40 (SV40) was linked only to rare brain, bone and lung cancers. But now, studies are showing a link to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, which according to reports, "has inexplicably doubled over the past 30 years."

http://www.planetc1.com/search/polio-vaccine-and-links-to-cancer-in-humans.html?PHPSESSID=0a9bf8b89c865347daa4847ad8ee07c3

Most deal with cases of contamination of the polio vaccine inexplicably with the SV40 virus since they were made from monkey cells - however this contamination occured in the 1950s - 60s! Is denex claiming that these same vaccines are still in circulation?

Besides ALL references made to the alleged contamiination of the Nigerian polio vaccine are made by questionable personnel of the Kano state government - NONE of their alleged claims have been validated by outside health personnel nor the Indian collaborators who allegedly made the discoveries.

It is high time we went beyond rumor mongering just to score cheap political points! People on this thread should read and investigate before jumping to nauseating conclusions that just make them sound as silly as the author!

laudate:
@PTN a.k.a davidylan,

Why do you say that the sites are not credible? I haven't seen anywhere that UNICEF, WHO etc., came out openly to refute tales that estrogen, estradiol, cancerous monkey viruses and human chorionic gonadotropin, were not constituents of their virus vaccines. Again, I stand to be corrected. Until I read their refuttal or denial in black & white, I would urge Nigerians to exercise caution in the use of those polio vaccines. Life no get duplicate o!

it still begs the question; why have we had complaints ONLY from northern nigeria? where the vaccines made specially for them? Afterall southern babies got the same vaccines.
I would also urge Nigerians to be wary of unecessary oversensationalisation of issues, WHO and UNICEF have no reason to come out to make a denial when no credible complaints have been made yet.

arab lands are flowing with mineral resources because they keep their women in bondage?

denex:
@PTH(earlier known as davidylan)
thank God you agree that you are now bent. As for me, I hold my head up and I live free. I can do what I want and I don't feel inferior to anyone.

the same warped thinking from members of the "i love Nigeria" brigade of hypocrites. I live free, i do what i want, i do not feel inferior to anyone, i am paid by the US government monthly what it would take you 6 months to make in your "fancy" jobs. My future is secure, dear you can continue dreaming from now till tomorrow, many of you supposedly "free" Nigerians are actually living in economic bondage! Just ask your poor neighbour.

denex:
so I beg your pardon, those menial jobs in the USA and the UK do not pay more than the "fancy jobs" in Nigeria.

here is the pertinent question you hypocrites always fail to answer; what percentage of the Nigerian population have the luxury of these your high paying "fancy jobs"?

denex:
If you went to UNILAG, I doubt that you would want to work in Mr. Biggs in Surulere or even anywhere in Lagos or even anywhere in Nigeria. It's just the shame.

that is the difference between the US and Nigeria, there is dignity in labour dear. You will NEVER progress as long as you see certain jobs as shameful. I know of a 19yr old girl here who works as a waitress. She really does not need the money neither does she need the job siince her father owns the restaurant but she is willing to make herself useful to her community. How many children of the owners of mr. biggs will stoop so low as to don an apron and serve customers in mr. biggs? Rather all of them are safely cocooned in foreign countries telling us they love Nigeria!

denex:
Don't tell me your menial jobs in the US pay more than "fancy jobs" in Nigeria. Then why do foreigners, including those from the USA come to take up "fancy jobs" in Nigeria?

dont decieve yourself that foreigners are flocking here to take ur fancy jobs - infact the very few fancy jobs you have here were created by these same foreigners you all love to demonise. Take away Shell, Mobil, Chevron - what other fancy jobs do you have left?
If i owned a company in India, of course i would prefer to employ Nigerians rather than indians to manage the sensitive aspects of the company!

denex:
Abeg go to the jobs section on Nairaland and ask people the salary ranges of these fancy jobs and compare with what you're being paid.

and yet on the same jobs section more than 95% are crying of poverty and joblessness.

denex:
It is when you people stop painting the streets in America with gold, the floors of their fastfood joints with dollars and the walls of their airport with multitudes of computers that your brothers will stop being deceived and stop running to the USA to get stranded like you.

My street is paved with bitumen and the floors of fastfood joints are waxed. As bad as you desperately want to paint the US as bad, it is light yrs ahead of that failed state called Nigeria.

the usual nauseating comments from the "i love Nigeria" brigade. It is very convenient to "love" Nigeria when u have no other choice but to live there.

aisha2:
Ignorance, Backward thinking, Your contribution sounds like a broken record.

the usual contribution from the "i love nigeria" brigade. No attempt to make their point clear rather choosing to slander and insult those who have a differing oppinion to their mostly myopic point of view.

We do not have to look too far to see why Nigeria is in the morass it is in presently, we believe it is backward thinking to advocate good leadership. We have members of a brigade who think the only way to show patriotism is to pretend that all is well in a nation where more than 70% live on less than $1 a day, the same nation where brigands like Andy Uba can declare more than N3 billion as assets!  I dont really blame you all, you are comfortable enough to afford to log unto the internet and insult others, maybe the day you start putting ur self in the shoes of the millions who will NEVER have access to a computer keyboard in the same country that makes budgets in the billions of dollars yearly you will start seeing things in a different light.

My dears, you people are not 10% as patriotic as the average american and yet they probably bash America much more than you all do. George Bush has an approval rating of less than 30%, most Americans consider his tenure the worst in since Richard Nixon and yet he has achieved a whole lot more than all Nigerian leaders since 1966 put together.
Until we learn to rise above ethnic and emotional sentiments we will NEVER develop as a nation! Why will we develop, when we are busy patting Yar Adua on the back for appointing ministers more than 2 months into his tenure. Gordon Brown of the UK made his appointments under 24hrs - those are nations who are serious with moving forward not ours peopled with individuals who are ever ready to whip upp a thousand and one excuses for executive failure under the garb of patriotism!

Keep up the insults, Chxta talks about the attitude of the Nigerian masses and i just wonder, if things were so rosy why is he doing a masters programme in the UK? Is it not a part of the problem that whilst we all condone corruption and massive political and economic brigandage we sit tight in foreign countries paiinting a false picture about Nigeria? Of course others here prefer to turn issues of concern to each and every Nigerian into a war of "us vs them". Such a shame.

the Chinese market is much larger than the Nigerian market, Microsoft stands to lose a lot to piracy of its software in China than it would in Nigeria should the high cost of software drive more consumers into the hands of software pirates.

denex:
@debosky

you should realise that the figure of 74,000 military was a 1999 statistic. Over the past few years, the Military has recruited a lot of people especially in the Navy.

There are annual programs in which the Nigerian Military trains young civilian graduate lawyers, doctors, engineers and bankers. It has previously been a closed affair, but this year, entries were advertised in the daily papers, radio and TV. These people are the reserves.

Abeg no dey challenge anyhow. As for the elegantly ignorant PTH, whom unfortunately, was earlier known as davidylan, I see no reason to argue this issue with somebody that cannot properly analyse his immediate environment, let alone far away Nigeria.

is this a way to sidestep the issue of your blatant misrepresentation and lies when they are pointed out to you? You claim that we have a 300,000 man strong millitary reserve, the main question has been WHERE are these reservists and please dont come up with the harebrained "the millitary is training lawyers and doctors" nonsense until you can prove it! Those are NOT reserves, stop lying! Kapish!

We all lived in Nigeria too and we did not live in a bubble!