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SportsRe: When Will Racism Stop In Sport? by Ptolomeus(m): 10:18pm On Jul 26, 2012
dkings101: A greek athlete was expelled from the Greek team over a racist remark she posted on tweeter. I am still finding it hard to understand what she meant with her remark. It goes thus in quote "The tweet said: “With so many Africans in Greece, at least the West Nile mosquitoes will eat home made food!!!”

She was expelled because of this racist remark and all she have to say was it was just a joke with bad taste? How can she expect Africa to smile with such a joke? When would they stop looking down on us? We humans are the same. Last I checked, other African nations also discriminate with each other.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/26/london-2012-greek-upset-racism-ban?newsfeed=true
Dear brother.
I am Uruguayan ... is a pleasure say hello.
We must not confuse trying to "be funny" to "make a joke."
That stupid, unqualified woman, tried to be funny ...'' or repugnantly racist and also funny. But she did not try to make a joke, no!
When end to racism in sport?
When end racism in the world, and for this we must root out people like that athlete. Segregate them on a desert island.
My respects!
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Doctrine Of "TRINITY" Has Generated So Much Furore! by Ptolomeus(m): 10:01pm On Jul 26, 2012
The trilogy, the great invention of Constantine ...
Jesus squirming in his grave ...
Christianity EtcRe: When Is The End Of Times? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:57pm On Jul 26, 2012
ijawkid: Not all anticipate an end to make money out of it....

Some like me really want to see an end to this depraved world.....

Satan aint winning nothing...

They say ""always save d best cut last'""

Satan knws he aint winning....

He knows an end to his life is fast approaching
But ... dear friend ...
God has been thousands of years trying to beat plunger elements, unable to get that ... Believe me ... I wish fervently God's triumph over evil, but right now Satan is winning.
Satanic Pastors have won the House of God ... tithe, lie, and do so in the name of God ...
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For The Christians by Ptolomeus(m): 9:54pm On Jul 26, 2012
ijawkid: 1st of all d notion that all persons who are deemed fit for everlasting life will go to heaven is wrong...

2ndly if the man while committing that act wasn't sane why would a God of mercy and compassion not pardon his errors??

God will even forgive d sins of a sane person,who got involved in killings but repented later..rÉad
Ezekiel 18:21..
Why wuld he lower his attribute of mercy when it then comes to an insane person?

Do u guys take God to be an irrational being??
I understand your analysis, but you are saying that some people will go to heaven anyway.
You know that Abraham, David, Noah, Solomon were adulterers ... and God said nothing ... IN such cases do not talk about repentance.
One thing is to forgive, and one that some people have gained heaven.
Divine justice?

@ cogen.
1.How can you see, ijawkid returned. I'm all a prophet.
2. You speak Spanish? Catalan? French? Portuguese? Italian?
No? it's a shame ... I do speak those languages. ..
Well, then strive a little and try to understand Google, because I hate the English ... I think a language imperialist of the invaders of slavers ...
Please accept my compliments
Christianity EtcRe: When Is The End Of Times? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:44pm On Jul 26, 2012
webmastern: In secondary school it was the end times, in University it was still the end times. Now am graduated and working and we are still in the end times. The #endTimes, making money for Nigerian churches since 1992.
Dear friend:
This shows clearly that churches and pastors are constantly lying to a single purpose: profit.
They change the biblical messages, they are taken out of context. Nothing ... not even care about the sacred word of God ...
Faced with so many lies, it's time to seriously ask if they panoply of God or Satan.
I personally think that the churches are run by demons and slaves of Satan ... and Satan is winning the war.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Fornication Really A Sin? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:38pm On Jul 26, 2012
kansi onwuekwe: I know it is the generally accepted christian belief that fornication is sin, but i have since discovered that the bible is not very clear on that. I know my christian brethen would start quoting several sriptures that say we should not fornicate, but even that is not convincing this is because just a few versions of the bible like king james version use the word "fornicate" other versions use the word "intimate immorality" on doing some theological research, i discovered that the appropriate translation that should have been used were the word fornication was used is intimate immorality. what then is intimate immorality?? Immoral intimate practices are listed in the book of Leviticus chapter 18 and the various immoral intimate practices were listed there, fornication which is the most common intimate practice was conspiciously absent from this list of intimate sins. My argument is that if really fornication is a sin then it would have been listed amongst the intimate sins in the book of levitcus. I therefore submit that the use of the word fornication by some versions of the bible was an error of translation wink Included below is levitcus 18 which deals exhuastively on intimate sins. Why is fornication missing answers anyone??

Leviticus 18
Unlawful intimate Relations
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.

6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have intimate relations. I am the LORD.

7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having intimate relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 " 'Do not have intimate relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.

13 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.

14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have intimate relations; she is your aunt.

15 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.

16 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 " 'Do not have intimate relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have intimate relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have intimate relations with her while your wife is living.

19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have intimate relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 " 'Do not have intimate relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

23 " 'Do not have intimate relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have intimate relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "

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NO WAHALA KEEP ON FORNICATING ON THE LAST DAY YOU CAN ARGUE WITH JESUS.....IF FORNICATION IS A SIN OR NOT
I totally agree with you.
God and the Bible does not condemn se.x, but promiscuity.
The false prophets, and sadists who have ruled for centuries by ignorance, have taken advantage of that.

What's more, and I will go much further.
In a Bible passage says that Jesus never had se.x?
Christianity EtcRe: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Ptolomeus(m): 9:32pm On Jul 26, 2012
Pastor AIO: there are loads of dialects of yoruba, and even within certain dialects the different versions are all valid.

Iya, yeye, iye, etc etc etc

Yewande, our mother has come etc.

ore yeye oshun o! Hail Mother Oshun! etc
Dear Pastor AIO.
As always, their statements add clarity.
I forgot to salute Osun! Sure! Yeye is also "mother".
Once, a friend and teacher told me that the Nigerian Yoruba was learned easily ... I do not think so ... Not only is complex because of its dialects, its contractions, her clichés ....
Dear Pastor ... I come to his attention and asked if the sentences I wrote in my previous post, indicating the word Iyá as "mother" allows distinguishing a particular dialect, or if that's not possible? If so, which dialect would it be?

Thank you for your valuable input.
Please accept my highest esteem.
Christianity EtcRe: Are Muslims Truly More Than Christians In Nigeria? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:25pm On Jul 26, 2012
It matter that the question?
Africa wake up sooner or later, and foreign gods, colonialists and slavers return to their real homes, swimming or crossing the desert.
The rest are statistics.
My respects.
Christianity EtcRe: HORRIFIC DECLINATION OF TRIBAL RELIGIONS ! (Africa) by Ptolomeus(m): 8:12pm On Jul 26, 2012
Dear friends PAGAN and Logic
I do not know whether Africa will be pagan or atheist. I only that one day Africa will wake up, and end on Islam and Christianity ...
The gods will be cast into the sea slave and go swimming too far to his true home.

What is the problem with palm oil? Here we have it for rituals.
Other materials are more difficult to find, but everything is found when one looks ...
A hug to you both!
Christianity EtcRe: Male Circumcision; Clitoridectomy And Infibulation Women For Religious Reasons by Ptolomeus(op): 8:03pm On Jul 26, 2012
DevotedOne: 1. In The Name of The Only God, Peace Be Upon You Everyone. Ramadhan Mubarak! Blessed Ramadhan!

2. I doubt that you would want to live with them.

3. I do not ignore female circumcision. As I've stated earlier, I do not understand the reasoning that is permitting it. Whose idea is it the male, or female? What is the reason for it?
With the greatest respect:
1. When a god is really the only, and is really powerful ... nobody speaks for him ...

2. You are mistaken. You confuse me with an atheist and I'm not ... You understand now, you may be wrong on many things?

3. You do not know what they are about the mutilations. But ... you think of them? Do you think are due to ignorance?, The fantismo? a plan of God?
Are you circumcised?
Christianity EtcRe: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Ptolomeus(m):
amor4ce: Is the IYE in Yemoja "mother" or "life, living"?
Is it possible that the "Y" in Yoruba refers to IYE?

Somehow, I have had difficulty in learning the Yoruba language, my mother tongue.
I insist that I do not speak Yoruba.
As far as I know, to refer to a mother, the word is Iyá.
For example:
Odo iyá = Iemoja salute, which means "mother whose sons are fish"
Iya mi = my mother.
Oloode Iya Osun = honorary title: Mother of the market.
Iya Osoronga = my mother sorceress (related to the cult Gelede)
Iya Iyamsa = contraction of mesangial = mother of nine children.
I hope one brother who dominate the Yoruba language, help us.
My respects!
Christianity EtcRe: Male Circumcision; Clitoridectomy And Infibulation Women For Religious Reasons by Ptolomeus(op): 5:22pm On Jul 26, 2012
DevotedOne: In The Name of The Only God, Peace Be Upon You Everyone. Ramadhan Mubarak! Blessed Ramadhan!





As mentioned in my initial remarks, I've never read anything to the effect, of female circumcision (re: Scripture). However man, woman, has been given free will. The ancients would say "choose ye right, choose ye wrong, choose."


Salaam/Peace. DevotedOne
I congratulate him on his choice of religion. Everyone has the right to their faith.
With what I might disagree (respectfully) with his claim is "the only god), because that can tell a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a traditionalist ... but in all cases would be a simple assault charge .

You then consider that male circumcision has religious roots, but you ignore the reason why women are sexually mutilated?
SportsRe: News From Uruguay. Nacional Is Champion Uruguayan 44 Th. Time by Ptolomeus(op): 5:07pm On Jul 26, 2012
seunny4lif: Good day pls can i chat with u?I need some info.
Hello dear friend.
My busy schedule does not allow me to chat, except weekends.
In my profile you will find my mail.
I pray that in the first instance to contact me through this means.
I'll be very happy to share with you the information you want.
A fraternal embrace.
CultureRe: The Afro-brazilian (saro) Descendants Of Lagos State - Our History by Ptolomeus(m): 5:04pm On Jul 26, 2012
To the best of my knowledge, there is a majority Yoruba in Bahia. The cult of "Candomble", has three major components:
1. The so-called "Ketu" or Nago (Orissa)
2. Angola (Nkisse)
3. Gege (Vodun)

In the case of Cuba, the predominant religion is "Santeria" (Orisa) with great content syncretic.

In Uruguay, dominates the so-called "Batuque" which is adapted from the original cult Yoruba (Orisa).

In Haiti, regardless of the ethnic majority, the Vodun cult is dominant, but is extremely mixed with Yoruba Orisa.
A Haitian legend tells that the time of the revolution for independence, the dead rising from their graves to fight for independence. This situation alarmed the colonists, who associated this fact with the voodoo cult, and a potion that kept people cataleptic state ...
I hope my comment is helpful.
My respects.
CultureRe: West African Yoruba In South America by Ptolomeus(m): 4:47pm On Jul 26, 2012
warlei: good work my friend.i am a yoruba.
Do u live in south america? Pls give tell me stories about,these people and their perception about where dey come from,do they still bear yoruba names?
Thank you very much for your kindness, dear friend!
I live in Montevideo, capital of Uruguay.
The first arrivals of African groups corresponded to Angola.
It was no coincidence the type of ethnic group that arrived in each country, as countries with large plantations of sugar cane, coffee, cotton, mine production, they needed labor with very strong physically. In the case of Uruguay, the assignments were limited to cooperation in the agricultural and livestock, as well as collaboration with domestic chores. For this reason (the slaves lived with their masters), one can speak of a deal much more "humanized" to slaves in other countries. There is another important phenomenon: that kind of work did not allow the grandees concentrations of slaves, which added to the coexistence with the white slave allowed to more easily integrate into society.
In a beautiful paper published by the University of the Republic (Uruguay), I have read the diary of a nineteenth century slave, in narrating the various ceremonies performed, celebrations, and the existence of "brotherhoods" of each ethnic group , who had their King and his Queen, whose purpose was to help the captive brothers to win freedom, and free, in case of illness, death of relatives, etc..
The group had its space Nago, and although a minority, greatly helped in building the history of this country.
Unfortunately, no desccendientes of African ethnic group preserves the tradition of African names. But many of their African traditions are still practiced, and not just part of black culture, but part of Uruguayan culture, which have also joined whites.

I commented that the word "tango" (the traditional Uruguayan music) comes from the corruption of the word "Tambor" -drum- (Tambo), with a typical strain of African phonetics applied to the Spanish language.
In a time of year, the various African ethnic groups, sounded their drums from early in the morning, announcing public one another, for it was a great annual parade in which each group presented its "drumming" traditional. This annual celebration is known as "Llamadas" (call, ), and is repeated every year until the present, is that one of the craziest appreciated by the Uruguayans, and of course, has African roots.
I hope my bad English I have allowed you to understand something ... If not, please ask you
I need a collaboration yours, if you have knowledge of Yoruba language ...
I have in my possession the original songs written in Yoruba, with which the slaves worshiped their Orisa. I need to know the type of variety used in these songs. Is it possible?
I am at your service, and would like more fluid contact with you.
An affectionate greeting of his friend Uruguay.
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For The Christians by Ptolomeus(m): 10:46pm On Jul 25, 2012
Cogent: Ptolemeus, please be gentle with your answers. I don't want Christians to be scared away from this thread because of harsh words. Maybe that's what prevented Ijawkid from coming back.
Christians, please I am still waiting for an answer. Thanks!
I said seriously.
If a madman has won the sky at birth, then tell me what comes into the world? The Christian theory falls apart.
Ijawkid return, if not, is simply not interested in the thread, or because he realized that his defense has no answer.
Christianity EtcRe: 72 Virgins In Paradise? by Ptolomeus(m): 10:13pm On Jul 25, 2012
Apparently, there is great demand for virgins in Islamic Paradise.
To this is added each time fewer women die virgin ...
Conclusion ...
When he dies a virgin, goes to the Islamic paradise, not the Christian, nor hell.
This occurs by the high demand for virgins.
It is possible that in the Islamic paradise the virgins are castrated, dilapidated, and beaten, but at least they are better priced.
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For The Christians by Ptolomeus(m): 10:07pm On Jul 25, 2012
ijawkid: If he isn't sane then there's no way he going to suffer d same fate with those who are sane and still do what is bad.....
You are saying that a madman will go to heaven if he kills hundreds of people?
After reading it, not whether to laugh or mourn ...
This comment has been pathetic ... It's worth a pastor!
Christianity EtcRe: 5 Silly Things That Nairaland Christians Do (updated From 3) by Ptolomeus(m): 9:56pm On Jul 25, 2012
HeKnows: I didn't get whether you are making fun of my post or you are agreeing with it. But it rather sounded that you were making fun.
I 'm not making fun of your mail.
You as a Christian has been very critical. Christians wish they were all so, they abandon the bigotry and contempt for all other beliefs ...
Would be nice if some fans on the forum follow suit.
My respects.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by Ptolomeus(m): 9:46pm On Jul 25, 2012
Romney is a Christian right (as Olaa)

“Mitt Romney has a uniform fetish,” Lawrence O’Donnell teased going into a break, returning to deliver a segment on Mitt Romney’s college days that promised an exclusive, salacious secret. That secret was that, according to some former classmates, Romney liked to dress up as a police officer, which was a clear outrage given that he did not serve in Vietnam, according to O’Donnell.
“When Mitt Romney wasn’t gay bashing kids whose hair he didn’t like, his habit was to impersonate a police officer,” O’Donnell explained. He then added that Romney “Mitt Romney avoided [Vietnam with] four consecutive drafts deferments that he obtained,” and brought in the reporter who brought this story, Joe Conason, in to explain. The key part of Conason’s report is the following:
When Mitt Romney was a college freshman, he told fellow residents of his Stanford University dormitory that he sometimes disguised himself as a police officer – a crime in many states, including Michigan and California, where he then lived. And he had the uniform on display as proof.

So recalls Robin Madden, who had also just arrived as a freshman, the startling incident began when Romney called him and two or three other residents into his room, saying, “Come up, I want to show you something.” When they entered Romney’s room, “and laid out on his bed was a Michigan State Trooper’s uniform.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-breaks-new-mitt-romney-scandal-he-maybe-had-a-police-uniform/
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by Ptolomeus(m): 9:23pm On Jul 25, 2012
The candidate of my friend Olaa ...


Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets
Mitt Romney
MITT ROMNEY'S MORMON SECRETS
By Richard Packham February 2012

In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney, much of it discussing his religion, not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices. The reason, of course, is obvious: nobody can talk about a secret unless they are in on the secret. And few journalists or Christian ministers or anti-Mitt politicians are in on the secret. Only Mormons know the secrets, and they're not going to tell. And former Mormons, like myself, who were initiated into those same secrets, and afterwards left Mormonism - we know the secrets. Should we tell?

Journalist Frank Rich, in his January 29 article "Who in God's Name Is Mitt Romney?" in New York Magazine, subtitled it: "His greatest passion is something he's determined to keep secret." And that secret is the details of his beliefs and practices as a faithful, life-long Mormon, the same secrets that all good Mormons have vowed to keep secret, even though their life depended on it.

And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely so "sacred" that they cannot be discussed. That is a quibble, since Mormons hold any number of other aspects of their religion to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.). In my day, when Mitt and I were initiated into the secrets, we were specifically instructed that we were under "the greatest obligations of secrecy." Nowadays, the Mormons simply take a solemn oath that they will "never reveal" anything about the rituals. That sounds like a secret to any ordinary person, doesn't it?

All right. I am going reveal those secrets, since nobody else seems willing and able to do so.

The biggest secrets involve the special lengthy rituals (the Mormons call them "ordinances"wink that take place outside of public view in the Mormon temples. The most important of these rituals is called the "endowment" - lasting several hours and taking the Mormon through symbolic washings and anointings (in my day they were actual washings and anointings on the entire naked body), then clothing the Mormon in special clothing and robes (including the notorious "magic underwear," which Mormons call "the garment"wink. The Mormon then watches and participates in long dramatizations of key events in the coming of the gospel, beginning with the creation of the world, showing Adam's fall, the coming of the Christian gospel (but not the crucifixion and resurrection), and ultimately the Mormon's being admitted into heaven, represented by "passing through the veil (of the temple)." When Romney and I first went through this ceremony, it was a ritualized dramatization with live temple personnel. Nowadays it's a movie. Yes, the most sacred worship service in Mormonism involves watching a movie.

Why is that so secret? you may ask. What aren't the Mormons supposed to reveal? What do they hold so sacred that it's secret? Quite a lot.

Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password). The Mormon must make an oath that he (or she) will never reveal these, outside the temple. The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry. The signs are various positions of the arms and hands (right arm to the square, for example, is the "first sign of the Aaronic priesthood"wink.

Before 1990, when Romney and I first went through this ceremony, we were taught that each of the first three signs and tokens also had a "penalty" associated with each one, and we had to mime various ways of taking life to represent the penalty to us if we were to reveal the secret signs and tokens: slitting one's own throat, ripping open one's chest, disemboweling oneself. Yes, folks, this was part of the most sacred ritual in Mormonism: pantomiming your own bloody death.

So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this? As Deborah Laake put it in her autobiographical book Secret Ceremonies, (New York 1993):

The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates [of heaven] would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ that I'd been raised to believe God valued. In fact, I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo. ... The mysteries of life were fraternity rituals. ... Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament? Those were the first moments when I viewed Mormonism with suspicion.

Or as summarized by a young Mormon missionary:"If we told investigators [prospective converts] about that, they wouldn't join, because it's too weird!"

But wait! you are saying. You haven't revealed anything. You've just told us that there is stuff to reveal. So reveal it!

Right. The four secret passwords that will get you into heaven:

The first one is the "new name" that you get with your garment. Mine is "Enoch" and you can borrow it when the time comes. The angel won't know. If you're female, you can use my ex-wife's new name: "Mary." (She would kill me if she knew I gave her sacred new name away!)

The second password is easy: your own given first name.

The third password: "The Son," meaning "the Son of God."

The fourth one is so sacred that you don't get it until the very last moment in the ceremony, at the veil, from God Himself (or an old guy standing behind the curtain who is pretending to be God). And it's very long, but you have to memorize it or you don't get in:

Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews. Power in the priesthood be upon me and upon my posterity through all generations of time and throughout all eternity.

(If you watched "Big Love" faithfully, one episode showed this part of the ceremony.)

And what about the secret (oops! that should be "sacred"wink handshakes? Rather than describe them, I will suggest you simply do an Internet search for "mormon handshake" images. They'll be right at the top.

Anything else? Yes, there are more secrets.

During the endowment, Mormons are required to take secret oaths that they will obey various "laws." The "law of obedience" requires them to obey "the law of God and keep his commandments." They don't specify what the "law of God" is, but Mormons understand that the Mormon church is the only true source of God's law and commandments. So they are taking an oath to obey their church.

The "law of sacrifice" requires them to "covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God." Mormons understand "the kingdom of God" to be the Mormon church.

The "law of the gospel" is accompanied by a charge to avoid "evil speaking of the Lord's anointed [church leaders]" as well as avoiding "light-mindedness, loud laughter, taking the Lord's name in vain" and every "unholy and impure practice" (not specified).

The "law of chastity" is to abstain from sexual relations except with one's lawful spouse. That one does make sense. That's one of the Ten Commandments, after all.

The last law is the "law of consecration." It requires the Mormons to

...consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

A couple of terms need explanation. The "Kingdom of God on the earth" and "Zion" mean, to Mormons, not just their church, but ultimately the theocracy that will replace the non-religious civil government. They believe, of course, that Christ will come to run this government, using faithful Mormons as administrators.

The pressing question for Mitt Romney, and for the Mormons who are supporting his candidacy, is: Would Romney consider the Presidency to be something that God had "blessed" him with, and which, pursuant to his secret oath, he should "consecrate" to his church for establishing a theocracy? If he is elected, will he kneel down and thank his God for blessing him with the presidency? And what is he supposed to do, according to his secret oath, with "everything" God has blessed him with? That's right: he is to use it for the benefit of the Mormon church.

Now wait a minute, you may be thinking. It doesn't really mean that! The Mormon church doesn't expect that from its members, does it? Oh, yes, it does! Remember California's Proposition 8? The Mormon church pulled out all the stops to pass that proposition, which would forbid same-sex marriage, and it called upon all Mormons to cough up and donate, even those who were not California voters. Those who were hesitant to do so (often the amounts demanded were thousands of dollars per family) were simply and subtly reminded of their "temple covenants." And they all understood that the church was calling in the chits on the oaths to obey, to sacrifice, and to consecrate whatever the church demanded of them.

How would a President who was also a good Mormon obey those secret oaths?

It wouldn't even take a phone call from church headquarters to the White House. Mitt, being a well-trained Mormon, knows "in his heart" what God would want (which is the same thing that the church wants, of course) and doesn't need to be told. That's the way it works already in the only American theocracy in existence today (Utah). The Mormon politicians who run that state - the judiciary, the legislature, the executive branch - don't have to ask church leaders for direction. They know what they should do, without asking specifically (usually).

The question for American voters is: knowing that Romney has taken this secret oath, that he is a faithful Mormon, do you want him to answer the question "Would you feel bound by your sacred oath to obey the law of consecration that you made in the endowment ceremony?"

Should it make a difference to you, the voter?

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Christianity EtcRe: 5 Silly Things That Nairaland Christians Do (updated From 3) by Ptolomeus(m): 9:12pm On Jul 25, 2012
Logicbwoy: Ijawkid, are you seeing the comment of a honest christian?
Hypocrisy, fanaticism and irrationality.
Good post!
Christianity EtcRe: Difference Between Christianity And Every Other Religion ???? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:07pm On Jul 25, 2012
There are religions that worship a god or several gods.
Christianity worships a spirit (Spiritist).
In general, all religions have one (or more) gods that have a predictable behavior, and have clear rules.
Christianity worships Yahweh, who demanded human sacrifices on their behalf, who also sacrificed his son in a humiliating way, and in turn, Christianity worships Jesus also, that speaks of peace and love.
Contradictory, but true.
Christianity EtcRe: The Messiah (jesus) by Ptolomeus(m): 9:03pm On Jul 25, 2012
Continuous fasting until the day of reckoning.
Aleluiah!
CultureRe: Bilingual Day ? by Ptolomeus(m): 8:00pm On Jul 25, 2012
CAMEROONPRIDE: shymmex you derailed my thread with your portugese lmao....
https://www.nairaland.com/4842/le-cercle-francais-de-nairaland/4
CultureRe: West African Yoruba In South America by Ptolomeus(m): 7:52pm On Jul 25, 2012
The Yoruba, in South America not only arrived in Brazil, but many countries. Perhaps countries with greater cultural weight Yoruba, are Brazil and Cuba. In San Salvador (Bahia, Brazil) are kept alive many traditions Yoruba, in relation to culture, food, religion, etc..
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by Ptolomeus(m): 7:39pm On Jul 25, 2012
olaa:
You are making political campaigning in the worst way. Slandering.
You support a Mormon unethical, and do you intend to defame Obama.
It is a very common practice of Christians ... the lack of identity and its own liturgy, his speech is summarized assault others, calling them "satanic" or, as in this case "not Christian".
Really ridiculous.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by Ptolomeus(m): 7:35pm On Jul 25, 2012
amor4ce: The United Nations (UN) is located in the United States. The publishing and consultancy concern of the UN is Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer Trust. The people of Lucis Trust argue that Lucifer was not expelled from heaven but voluntarily came to earth to help man survive; a lie (Isaiah 14). The people of Lucis Trust engage in various activities to channel energy to Christ for him to reign on earth. Lucifer is Satan. The ancient [b]Hell[/b]enists (Greco-Romans) referred to Zeus (also IeZeus, Iesous) as Christ, plagiarized the Bible and replaced the true Name, Eshu (mischievously transliterated by the synagogue of Satan as Yeshu/Yeshua), with Iesous and Jesus. The Christ of Lucis Trust is Jesus. Christ is the prophet of Lucifer. Eshu does not need people to channel energy for Him to reign on Earth as He is coming whether man likes it or not and He has the power to. Christ needs viagra (people to lift him from below). More detailed discussion is available here.

The rulers of the United States are aware. The electoral campaigns and politics are tools for distracting and brainwashing the pawns/masses.
Laroye Esu, mó jubá!
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by Ptolomeus(m): 7:33pm On Jul 25, 2012
OLAADEGBU: Here is another pikshur of a more recent former President who made his mark. You don't even need to fast and pray to get saved just believe the gospel and repent from your sins.
Reagan?
I never thought that you admire a criminal.

I do not regret my sins, because I do not sin ...
You keep defending the servants of Satan.
Olaa ... your soul is lost ...
Christianity EtcRe: I Will Become Born Again by Ptolomeus(m): 7:19pm On Jul 25, 2012
Deep Sight: Honestly i don't know how people can still consider human sacrifice to be their salvation. How is that different from the Aztec rituals?

And these same, consider such to be lofty indeed: even looking down on those of us who reject such primitively barbaric notions.
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If ... many of us strongly reject that demanded human sacrifice Yahweh in the Bible ... We also object to the anger-laden decisions that end with the flood ... we also oppose a parent to sacrifice his son leaving sacrifice hanging on a cross, humiliated ...
It's too much violence, I prefer more ... green and peaceful.
Christianity EtcRe: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Ptolomeus(m): 4:25pm On Jul 25, 2012
amor4ce: Is the IYE in Yemoja "mother" or "life, living"?
Is it possible that the "Y" in Yoruba refers to IYE?

Somehow, I have had difficulty in learning the Yoruba language, my mother tongue.
Dear friend.
I insist that I do not speak Yoruba, I just I have some ideas, and my only intention is to help.
As far as I know, the word "mother" stands for "Iya"
We entoonces, Iemojá referred to the term "odo iyá" which means "mother whose children are fish."
"Iya mi" = my mother
"Iya mi Osoronga" = Mother of birds
"Iyá Oloode" = Honorary Title (Osun), mother of the market.
Anyway, I insist that the brothers who speak Yoruba have the last word.
The Yoruba language is complex. It has different dialects contractions that make it difficult to perform the analysis of words (eg cloth Orisa Orisanla = Orisa of the cloth white; Iamsa (Iansa) = Iyá Mesan, mother of nine children, etc..) And has a structure very descriptive, almost poetic.
Again I ask for help from the Yoruba brothers.
Christianity EtcRe: Can One Woo A Lady During Ramadan by Ptolomeus(m): 4:13pm On Jul 25, 2012
The se.x is not sin, but if it were, should refrain at all times, not only in ramadan.
I do not see any connection between se.x and ramadan.

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