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So ... we judge Jesus by Judas (who followed him to Him)?
No Olaa .. You are diverting to religion, what is their political position. I do not think that you are well. You can support McCain (a good company that makes frozen french fries), you have every right to do so, but I think that is fair, to support your political candidate you accuse Obama of not being Christian.
Obama is more Christian than McCain.
I speak knowingly.
If you wish, we talk about politics, but you do not mix the issues

ijawkid: Did Jesus ever murder any person when he was on earth??

Just a couple of examples.


numbers 25:1-13
Yahweh ordered the killing of the leaders of the people as "atonement" for the sin of idolatry that had made the people of Israel with Moabite women.

numbers 25:1-13
Yahweh ordered the killing of the leaders of the people as "atonement" for the sin of idolatry that had made the people of Israel with Moabite women.
1 Samuel 21:1-9
The Israelites impaled seven people as atonement for the guilt of the people of Israel, Saul had killed the Gibeonites.

emöfine2: Hola Ptolomeus





1. Hmm interesting...have you ever taught or corrected others who may have been misinformed about African traditional religion?

2. But yes Africa as well as so many other places has some rich philosophies and beleifs that there are some things that can never be replaced .

1. Yes. Being thousands of miles of nigeria, based on the study I have corrected many practices that were done wrong. Also (very respsetuosamente) I think in Africa are doing a few things extra-religious reasons that threaten the essence of worship. I do not want to say Nephew and specific issues, I have no authority to judge, but some lined after the Nigerian culture abroad, have changed ancestral grounds for political gain, and that's not right.

2. Everything evolves. If we see evolution as a process and each process tends to better ... then welcome!
Now ... be careful when we propose changes that we seek a "rapprochement" with Western religions. I do not think that's a solution. Within the grounds, there are many things that could change for the better, but not to do something more "social" or "Western".
Would need to know exactly what changes we are talking.

I send warm greetings!

Godmother: Says who?

Circumcision (brit milah) is the Jewish liturgy, not to Christianity. It is a tradition which has some 4,500 years and was started by Abraham. Jesus himself was circumcised on the eighth day after birth, according to the Jewish religion, to which he belonged.
Neither Christianity neither Catholicism have maintained this tradition as binding and the rite is not part of the liturgy
Read the Bible.
My respects.

frosbel: In the old testament circumcision was a shadow of the real circumcision which is that of the heart.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Colossians 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Galatians 5:6 - For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.




Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer - Deuteronomy 10:16

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, circumcise your hearts, you men of Judah and people of Jerusalem, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done--burn with no one to quench it.

You explain that to the Jews.
Treat you the Bible with seriousness.

@Tpia

You have lost a great opportunity to shut up.
Just, you who say that sex is sin you who say that women are used by Satan to seduce men, you who despise women as inferior, you want to use women as a rough prostitute for "attract souls "?
His pose is sickening, degrading to women, and for every man with dignity.
Go and save souls. Dress up you woman Epilate your legs and save souls in the suburbs ...
If you're married, do that with your wife and your daughters ...
I do not want to dwell ... what you say is outrageous.

Is not a problem for any of those religions.
It is a purely African problem. In most people, these religions coexist in peace and harmony.
Why it does not happen in Africa?
The colonizers (Europeans and Arabs), were determined to erase all tradition and national sentiment in Africans (divide and rule).
They imposed their gods and traditions. They divided the ancient peoples in different countries (Treaty of Berlin), and generated a singular religious fanaticism (which they themselves do not feel).
Africans, unfortunately, not only embraced these alien beliefs, but naively fell into fanaticism proposed by the colonizers. "Divide and rule". Today Africa is still debating whether it is best to Islam, Judaism or Christianity, if the Yoruba descend from the Jews or the Egyptians, and do not forget the Yoruba-Igbo rivalry ...
Africa is divided and fanaticized and ... big business for the eternal slave.
One day Africa will open your eyes, wake up as a titan that will shake the highest mountains in Africa, and the Alps, and the Andes ..
And the world will know that the mother Africa is still alive.
That day, the slavers and his clay gods return to their homes, and the children of Mother Africa will broken their chains, and will definitely be masters of their destiny forever.
Alàáfia!

Christians are not circumcised.

Dear friends.
I am South American, and student of history and African traditions, I would like to hear from you about these two "kings" Africans in America. I refer to the "Obá" Mosi Guineur ( "owner of the ASE and elect of Oloorùn" ) Barule Oba's kingdom, and Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I, King Fon in America.
My question is this.
According to your opinion:
1. These people are eligible (qualifying) to represent these people as kings?
2. They have the proper lineage?
3. Who / whom they proclaimed King / Oba?
4. You as Africans agree with these appointments?
I beg you to open your views on this interesting subject.

Warm regards to all!

frosbel: The dictionary definition of immortal is to live forever.

I do not want to dwell.
Not necessary. Seun says you:
"Live Forever" implies the possibility of death?
Excuse me .... but instead of so many biblical quotations, it would be good to add a drop of rationalism to the analysis ...
If anything lives forever because they do not die.
Whatever you may say Abraham and Isaac, in his moments of non-adultery.
You are contradicting yourself.
Do not see aggression in my words, but I understand it is difficult to reconcile rationalism with fanaticism.
You use biblical passages out of context ... and into contradictions.
Explain how you kill a soul ... without going into metaphors out of context.
Fros ... I ask only a moment of clarity and consistency.
Common sense!

Martian: Yes. After slavery and violence, the most effective way to subjugate people is through psychological means and religion proved to be the most effective method. Since the white people had proven to be more economically powerful and much less ignorant of nature, they had already proven to the indigenous cultures that they were culturally superior so selling them the white version of god was easy. "if their god helped them conquer us, he must be the true god".....chinua Achebe expressed this sentiment in things fall apart when the white priest went into the shrine of a feared local god and destroyed it.

Even though we are in the "information age", black people still follow these mythologies blindly so imagine the ancestors who were a lot more ignorant. I guess it was like taking candy from a baby.
Now, some positives did come out of imperialism, but those positives could have come about in a more equitable way intead of all the benefits going to the whites.

The most damage is done by the religions they brought, because they aim for the "supernatural" while condemning the natural under threats of hell. When views like that are what forms these people's philosophies on life, how do you expect them to deviate from it? In an ironic way, these religions are what salves the people whose societies have been damaged by the imperialism and colonialism that introduced the religions in the first place. Gift and a curse.

Also, they really didn't do away with the old beliefs entirely, they just cast some of the characters as antagonists to their god. eg Eshu is now synonymous with the christian devil in yoruba christianity.

They did the same thing on the plantations. Take their religion and culture, give them white names and jesus. Also, tell them that Jesus says that slaves should obey their masters..........and you'll go to "heaven" when you're dead.

His presentation is edges very interesting .
It is unlikely that we all agree, but his vision is very similar to mine in different ways.
A hug.

Very dear friend.
I will try to answer.
First, I understand that both Africa and America, religions have been imposed by the conquerors. They have not chosen the Americans or the Africans have been imposed.

With respect to traditional religions.
It plays an important role, discredit yourself mentioned: the conqueror, discredited cults, associating with black magic and the Jewish-Christian devil. The traditional African rites have nothing demonic or witchcraft.
But (and this is my answer) I do not think there are many things that change liturgically African cults, I understand that it would need to be aware of what they mean, remove them from the figure of the devil and witchcraft, and explain to people what they mean.
Following traditional religious systems, there is a rich tradition and philosophy ... that should be transmitted. But that could only be done if there were religious formed, if you abandon the "practice of ritual in repetitive and non-rational ', if there were priests with a degree of intellectual training to enable them to discuss on equal terms with their detractors.
I think it would be the ultimate solution, but at least we would be taking a big step.
Hope this helps.
Please accept my deep affection.

2good: Why do you think i dont know Hugo Chavez and world history and geography? Also do you think they have to teach us South American history in Africa for me to know about Chavez and Venuzuela?
I used Russian as an analogy to let you understand what Hugo Chavez can do if he has the power to. Do you think Hugo Chavez will not be having some kind of cold war with the US if they have close to the level of Nukes the Russians have?
Why did the Americans criticise Chavez, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein etc while the man that committed one of the greatest atrocity in human history was called 'Uncle Joe' by both the British and Americans? Chavez have limited powers that is why he has not been so aggressive against the US.

Dear friend.
Do not get angry.
I regret that the reality of Latin America to Africa gets so distorted.
First, Chavez has no military power. He can barely stay in power internally. The U.S. propaganda against everyone but his allies have so much disfigures situations. I do not agree with many decisions of Chavez, but Chavez has only said "no" to some abuses of the USA that are very common in South America and the world.
I do not defend Chavez, but put the figure of him as a dangerous individual to global security is ridiculous.
Argue that Cuba is like (a small island economically blocked for 50 years) is capable of threatening U.S.!. Cuba is blocked because the pride of Americans have been prevented from ending the conflict, and cares little about the United States the death and starvation of children and elderly Cubans, nor cares about that in Africa.
Neither Chavez nor Fidel are threat to anyone.
The eternal game of Americans has been to invent dangerous enemies, and then invade, killing civilians, looting, torture and rape ...
All in the name of world peace, and Western Christian civilization!
(irony!)

The thread was about whether it was sin or not the women to wear pants ...
In a dialogue of the deaf, it promotes the art of distorting the thread.
I think the photo I had posted was much more illustrative than all these quotations to the Bible, about Abraham, Isaac and so on. (all adulterers).

frosbel: 'God! Peel me a grape!' Is the same attitude atheists exhibit today. Their mental laziness, mocking tone, and orders to bring them some evidence of God and then they'll think about it, only serve to highlight their gross self-centeredness in which they proudly luxuriate.

Dearest friend (more than a friend ... brother!) Frosbel
I am moved to tears to be able to greet him.
I think there is something more tragic than an atheist ... is a religious fanatic who thinks of what he writes. The blind fanaticism leads to write much (too much), and in such cases, the arguments are weak, inconsistent ... weightless.
You have a very simplistic way, denigrate, insult, demonize their enemies.
His parents had taught him, that must have respect for others, and basically, you should have respect for the ideas of others.
I clarified to you, I'm not an atheist, but your estiulo is offensive, and does not help your exposure.
His view is unfriendly, aggressive and baseless.
You think that because you post three Biblical passages out of context, you are going to convince anyone?
It is totally wrong.
Instead, you generate rejection.
Make an effort to demonstrate education.
That you would do well.
Write less, think more.

Who is surprised a shepherd separately or adulterer?
A few years ago in Argentina, appeared the phenomenon of Pastor Gimenez. His "performances" filled football stadiums. His voice was heard on radio all day, and with the economic dividends, Pastor bought several movie theaters, which opened new churches. All was prosperity for the Pastor.
One day he was found by his wife in a hotel with another woman ...
Pastor adulterer ran, got into his car and tried to flee ...
But his wife followed him in another car, hitting him all the way, and smashing cars. Finally were arrested ...
This is another example of the immoral and adulterers, who claim to be anointed by God, the pastors who profit from the Bible and the innocence of individuals.
Search google the name of Pastor Jimmy Swaggart (in USA). Other "chosen of God", which became multi millionaire, and then was photographed leaving a hotel with 5 prostitutes ...
Or in Brazil, the self-proclaimed "bishop" Macedo "or David Miranda.
Immoral, criminals whose only goal is personal gain at the expense of fools.

I can not believe what I read.
Not only the woman is a crude instrument of these twisted minds, but it encourages a kind of religious prostitution.
"Use the body to attract adherents"
I doubt arises: To what extent should a women use their beauty and body to win souls?
I think there are very needy pastors tithe ... and morals and ethics is already scarce.
You call themselves Christians?
If the Christian God exists (which I doubt), he, the manager der do justice!

2014 World Cup in Brazil?
Dear friends ... This tournament does not make sense. We all know here who will win ...
In 1950 Brazil hosted the World Cup ... and ... well ... occurred the greatest feat in the history of football. I do not doubt that in 2014 a repeat .. (jajajajaja)

@Logic: The list:

http://www.booking.com/city/uy/montevideo.es.html?aid=341109;label=city-montevideo-FebTQEj3Ra98UlQpf5TzugS12548744849:pl:ta:p1:p2:ac:ap1t1:neg;ws=

toba: Most atheists in Nigeria are cowards and closet atheist that are found mostly on the internet making noise under unknown monikers.

In the court, they tend to align with the bible and swear by it.

wanna ask me how i know this?

I have seen the opposite ... that the majority of believers, particularly Christians, do not want to swear on the Bible ... prefer to say they are atheists and not swear to god.
Many Christians say they are proud of it, in his own congregation, but feel ashamed to be recognized publicly as Christians.

2good: Do you think Hugo Chavez will be this tolerant if Venezuela have close to the number of Nukes the Russians have? Aggression has a linear relationship with military strength and not just ideaology. The Russians almost single handedly defeated the Nazi in WW II as 8 in every 10 German soldier killed in WW II died in the hand of a red army soldier. They even launch the last battle against Hitler in Berlin and hoisted the Russian flag at the German Reichstag in Berlin at the end of the war. They also occupied all of Eastern Europe after WW II without facing an opposition. Such was the strength of the Russians when Joseph Stalin was alive that anything was possible without the Americans and other Western European powers combined opposing them.

Excuse you.
I do not know what story of Hugo Chavez have been sold in Africa.
I do not know what can you learn from Venezuela and its history.
But before comparing the Venezuelan government to the Russian of the second war ... I would advise you first learn a little history and geography.
I know I say this very respectfully, and with the best intentions.

tpia@:
atheists, satanists, etc, why cant any of you marry her?

hope you're not waiting on the Lord for a God fearing spouse?

Christian, Islamic, why can not any of you marry her?

Mhhh prayers apparently are no solution, and chastity does not attract the opposite se.x.

OLAADEGBU: Here is a private message from G. Lewis who had discerned the times before it became obvious to his fellow Americans.
From G. Lewis

March 19, 2008, 07.00 pm

To: (Undisclosed)

Re:

Could you choose between Christ and a charismatic black man who was going to make history? Many of us are like zealots (Judas). A zealots main agenda is to forward a political agenda of their own people (Barrabas was also a zealot). Judas was only with Christ for political reasons and when Judas had to choose between Christ & his politics - he betrayed Christ for his politics.

I know its strong words but these are dangerous times. Jesus said take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, SAYING, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. Obama is definitely coming in the name of Christ, and he is deceiving many - but let it not be any of us . . . Nuff said!

Dear friendo Olaa:
olaa,
You know that North Carolina is a state committed to Obama. That makes it appear hatred. Surely you also know that G. Lewis has a declared themselves Republicans.
You should not submit such documents. Are partial, and not addressed here religious matters, but political.
The thread is derailing ...
It only remains for you to say that Obama is gay.
Obama is a man of God, afraid of the Lord and faithful to the Christian doctrine.
The systematic torture which he exercises over the Arabs, is not motivated by hatred, but by direct orders from the Pentagon and the CIA.

tpia@:
And neither do you have to respond to every post.

Give yourself a break occasionally, geddit?

Please tell me what's the problem?
Who opens the thread does not know what he is asking.
Who derailed the thread?
Derailed the thread was born.
But do not get angry ... who is angry will leave ugly wrinkles ...

@fellis @muSkeeto
Dear friends.
I was born and I live in Montevideo, capital of Uruguay, South America.
Thank you very much for your consideration, your respect for my bad English (I do not speak English use a translator).

Have my unconditional friendship.

I send a warm hug!

FASCINATING.
Something defined by the dictionary as immortal, turns out to be deadly because Frosbel giving four biblical passages out of context so says ...
Great wisdom!
A perfect explanation to understand why Africa does not stop its development and continues estancadaq in discussions of this kind.

After this, as I have no doubt: the soul is mortal, but is immortal ...
Something really transcendent.

I leave some biblical passages (unnecessary):
Matthew 10:28. Do not fear those who kill the body but can not kill the soul, but rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 16:19 to 31

Acts 20:10 Paul then went down, bent over him, and after him in her arms, said: "Do not be alarmed, for his soul is in it. When the soul leaves his body, the body dies, this is the case of Eutychus who fell from a third floor window and yet the young man died because the Apostle Paul prophesied that his soul was still there.

Jesus said, "Do not fear those who can only kill the body but rather fear that you can lose your soul in hell" . "Whoever believes in Me will live even if he dies, he who believes in Me shall never die"
With these words Jesus confirms the thought that Jews had the soul would live after death




My respects.

Dear friend.
You do not need a hotel in Montevideo. You have a friend and also my family. It's just combined, and of course, be an honor having you as a member of my family.

Querido amigo.
Usted no necesita un hotel en Montevideo. Cuenta con un amigo y también con mi familia. Es sólo combinar, y por supuesto, será un honor recibirle como un miembro mas de mi familia.

Vamo' arriba la celeste, querido amigo!

@flairlady @ Ngodigha1
If the fear was that a mistake Igala with a Yoruba, I, as a foreigner and living thousands kilometers from Nigeria, I transmit to you the peace of mind that has not happened. I now I have very clear, that Igalás nothing to do with the Yoruba ethnic.

@ Odumchi.
Dear friend.
His observation sheds light on the subject. In Nigeria, speaks English, but you are not British. In Uruguay is spoken Spanish, but we are not Spanish. I think you've put a very good example.
One thing is the language we use, and over the root of our nation or ethnic group.

Finally, dear friends ...
Take our consciousness, that this type of discusioens are important, and explanatory. We should not lose his temper, because that does not help the development of the discussion.
Observe how calm Odumchi has given his opinion, and with few words (and no disqualification) the issue has been clarified.

It hurts me greatly to see so divided African ... I think that tribal problems happened hundreds of years ago, are still hovering like ghosts, and preventing the binding ...
That happens all over the world, but not with the force with which it occurs in Africa.
If we all make an effort to overcome it?

It is really a real filming of a pastor. Each sign appears, is a joke. For example, when the music starts, the first poster makes the presentation of dance ... "Now let's listen ..." "everybody dance" etc.
Everything they say after is a joke in_ Brazilian slang.
The forum is just for that, to help each other.
We are pleased to help as appropriate.
A hug!

Vamo' arriba la celeste!

Logic Mind: you just called god gdo. Expect an admin ban soon.

logicboy01: Very true.

Can you translate this video? Puedes traducir este video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeP6l3JDBrw

Hahahaha! The legends are in Portuguese, and I speak it perfectly.
Indeed, signs or legends are a satire.
What the pastor is certainly; real, but legends are just a joke to clowning that the pastor is doing.
Look, there exists a religion called Umbanda, which originated at the beginning of last century in Brazil, with African roots. In this religion, the medium makes the same turns and movements that the pastor.
In Brazil, it is very common for pastors seeking to imitate the religions of African origin. It's really funny video, but if you look in reality is sad.
Your Spanish is very good, dear friend!


Hahahaha! Las leyendas son en portugués, y yo lo hablo perfectamente.
En realidad, los carteles o leyendas son una sátira.
Lo que hace el pastor es cierto, es real, pero las leyendas son una burla justamente a la payasada que el pastor está haciendo.
Mira, existe una religión llamada Umbanda, que se originó a principios del siglo pasado en Brasil, con raíces africanas. En esa religión, los médium realiza esos mismos giros y movimientos que el pastor.
En Brasil, es muy normal que los pastores pretendan imitar a las religiones de raíz africana. Es realmente gracioso el video, aunque si lo analizamos en realidad es triste.
Es muy bueno tu español, querido amigo!

Divepen: Lekan b mindful of wat u say dr heavens recordn dz dy shal read it 4 us

Excuse me, my English is very bad, but you do not write, you attentive ...

fellis: If I was an atheist, I would NOT be a wonderful person, lol.

That's the problem.
The fanaticism blinds people.
They do not want to assume that thieves are atheists, Christians, Muslims ...
And there are great people of all faiths.
Look, I live far away from Nigeria, and here there is no religious hatred.
It is very strange for me to attend every day disputes forum as silly as this.
If you are Islamic, Christian or atheist ... YOU BE HAPPY! To me, that my life does not affect me.
I can not understand the Nigerian religious fanaticism.

Sorry