shymexx:

Also, if there is referendum among Nigerians at home and those in diaspora. I believe the overwhelming majority of the people, who're people-oriented would voted for disintegration. Just mention Nigeria to any Nigeria parent in the UK and you would probably hate Nigeria for the rest of your life with the response you're going to get, after they kiss their teeth. I still don't know anyone that has something nice to say about the country and most would rather see the country break-up than remain the way it's. And I believe all the ethnic militias springing up everywhere are speaking for the ordinary Nigerians in Nigeria. Those are the poor people, who're the overwhelming population of the country. They're tired of Nigeria and they want a new identity,

Let someone come and fault this.

I don't know why some people don't want to come to terms with reality.

More than 50 years after independence, there's no adequate drinking water or toilets! Nigeria records the highest number of road accident deaths. Let me not waste my time on other similar things jare.

And there appears to be no end in sight!

shymexx:

Well, I don't know nothing about Nigeria but I do know majority of Nigerians that I converse with hate the country. I know no one has anything good to say about the country. I know bigotry is Nigeria and Nigeria is bigotry - and Nigeria is the only country where everything is done based on tribal politics and not ideology.


Nah, the way forward for Africa is the fight against neo-colonialism and colonial borders that amalgamated different people into pseudo-identities that are foreign to them. How many people would choose Nigeria over their ethnic group? Save that pretentious and simplistic crap for the birds.

Prof Africa, can you please tell me what the Nigerian identity is about? That's one question I've been trying to find an answer to since I became proper acquainted with Nigeria in my late teens. What's Nigeria and what's the Nigerian identity?

I await your reply.

Every single word you put up there is meaningful and deep.

You have posted incontrovertible assertions and probing questions. In their hearts of hearts, the so-called leaders of Nigeria will buckle under those questions.

It is time to quit being pretentious. It pays no one.

tensor777:
Pukka,it seems you did not read my post well. Okay let me rephrase what I said. I believe in the unity and sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. However it is not for me to tell you or others why Nigeria should stay united as that is the status of Nigeria today. It is for you and other separatists to make the case for disintegration. And NO you cannot sensibly do that merely by highlighting perceived shortcomings in the present set-up.
You must make the case as to why and how disintegration would positively impact upon your own region or state, as well as other states of the federation.
For example in the UK today,Scottish nationalist leader Alex Salmond is attempting to sell the idea of how an independent Scotland would positively benefit the Scottish people. It is left to his opponents the Unionists to pick holes in his arguments. That is the template you can use to state your case. I am waiting.

I have used my own template rather than Salmond's type of template.

The reasons you asked for are contained in my post before this. Fault them.

Let me repeat this, the regions made more progress under the regional system than under the present system. Yes or no? No one can accurately predict what will happen in the new units, this is why we have to rely on assumptions and analyze the present. One thing is also clear - Nigeria appears stuck. This reason alone is enough to press for a break up. Don't also forget that you've not told us the benefits of remaining in Nigeria or the practical ways to unstuck the country.

Even Salmond premised his argument on what 'Scotland could be'. Hear him: "If we vote no, Scotland stands still. A once-in-a-generation opportunity to follow a different path, and choose a new and better direction for our nation, is lost.”

tensor777:
A lot of negativism there. But I am curious as to how Nigeria breaking up would benefit you.
Meanwhile its not for your adversaries who are pro-unity to state why Nigeria should stay united but for you lot in the separatist camp to state the POSITIVE case for disintegration. Then we can have an intersting debate

I earlier stated that I am not campaigning for a break up but I am not averse to granting freedom or separation to those who desire it.

How does that amount to negativity?

Is it negativity to grant the freedom of self determination to human beings?

How has Nigeria being together benefited Nigerians via a vis the resources at the disposal of the country? A few looters have benefited though. Was I wrong when I stated that a company that fails to post positive returns to its shareholders faces liquidation? Have you been following global and continent's ratings on Nigeria?

If there is a break up, would the citizens of the different parts be poorer or have a lower standard of living than they currently have?

Do you deny the fact that Nigeria as a concept has become an orphan? Most people (not all) would rather identify with their tribes or regions. D you deny the fact that an increasing number of people are getting detached from Nigeria? You can see this in the number of voters and when some people dismiss the Nigeria debate with 'I don't want to discuss Nigeria jare'. Is this not true?

There are really no 'Nigerians' but there are Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas, Ijaws etc.

Do you deny the fact that tribalism has become a clog in the wheel of progress?

Do you deny the fact that tribes now defend their corrupt kinsmen and celebrate their mediocres because they are in Nigeria. Do you deny the fact that they won't be able to do this in a small region?

Do you deny the tribalism on Nairaland and in the real world as recently played out in Anambra? Soyinka and Northern governors were stoned in PH. Obi told El Rufai to go back to the North.

Breaking up might not eliminate ethnicity but it would greatly reduce it. When one complains about the massive oil theft that's going on, many Niger Deltans (who should be on the forefront of the agitation) ask you 'is it your oil?'

Do you deny the fact that corruption will continue and the average House of Reps member will continue to go home with N182m every year? Who is going to stop these?

So far, successive governments have not been able to implement true federalism, state police, etc. Can't all these be done without a National Conference. Even the planned Conference has no-go areas.

Do you deny the fact that all parts of Nigeria are not enjoying Nigeria?

The Western Region brought television to Africa in 1959 (less than 20 years after it got to Britain) but today we are paying to watch television brought by a South African company - DSTV. Some people also believe that certain parts of the South East are potential 'Japan of Africa'.

Is the trend of things likely to reverse in the foreseeable future? If yes, how?

Why can't we give separation a try?

What other PRACTICAL ideas do you have that can make Nigeria work?

Please tell me, in what ways is Nigeria excelling compared to its peers?

Try and address all the parts of this post as I had earlier mentioned some of them. I would be happy to see this 'negativity' debunked by your 'positivity'.

Italiano1:

Why you dey laugh?

shymexx: I also like how Pukkah's mentality, and luvmijeje's mentality to an extent, have changed about one-Nigeria. The country is doomed and it can never grow beyond its current status. It's a failure!!

Those that are against the break up don't have strong reasons.

Some of them believe that big size is desirable although they've not told us how the big size of Nigeria has benefited Nigerians.

Some of them think that the looters of Nigeria won't let go; they forget that this argument is defeatist and is like resigning to one's fate.

A few of them believe in the conspiracy theory that the US is the one behind calls for a break-up but they've not told us how the US has been doing it or if US is also the one trying to break Scotland off the UK.

All in all, none of the groups has been able to tell us the practical way forward amidst worsening living conditions of our citizens. Clearly, Nigeria continues to defy solutions.

The essence of a nation is to benefit its citizens. Any nation or country that cannot do that is useless and unfit for purpose. If it were a company, it would be wound up as any company that fails to give returns (consistently) to its shareholders is on its way to liquidation.

A pocket-less trouser is better than a trouser with leaking pockets.

mankand:


Nigeria is not dividing and can not dividing. This is because all hands are on deck to avoid it, even our Bishops and Pastors are already fasting to that effect because what will happen to their investment?

This is not an emotional matter. We are dealing with facts.

Do those 'bishops and pastors' include:

1. Oyedepo, who had warned about the break-up?
https://www.nairaland.com/978724/boko-haram-oyedepo-warns-nigeria

2. Primate Olabayo, who actually predicted it?

https://www.nairaland.com/1530669/jonathans-2nd-term-steer-nigerias

In as much as I'm not spearheading the campaign for the country to break up, I think it is against natural justice to continue to hold back any part of the country that is desirous of going it alone.

isale_gan2:

Secession is not the answer. Only a fool would align with Israel. No offense to Easterners.

Netanyahu and Israel are known for using others to fight their fight. Shame. They will use you and then come back to finish you (Nigeria) off!

Anyway, whoever chooses to overthrow a king better make sure he is successful. Otherwise he pays with his life.

So what's the answer, at least for now?

What's clear is that Nigerians have not been able to build a nation out of the country. I also don't see any signs, as at today, of Nigeria working in the short term.

What's the way forward?

omonla555:
We are the leaders, where the two are fighting we Yorubas will grab the leadership.

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Leadership of where?

Who is interested in the leadership of Nigeria?

If nPdP Governors are joining APC, what of Olagunsoye Oyinlola?

What of Atiku?

If Oyinlola is joining, what's happening to OBJ?

I think Oyinlola, who has Aregbesola to battle in Osun, may be in a political fix right now. The same thing applies to Atiku.

ilugunboy:

On a second thought....I agreed with you.

You see, many of the policy makers and Nigerians themselves have run out of ideas to make Nigeria work. All the ideas that have worked in other places seem to fail as soon as they get here. All the countries that were Nigeria's peers in the 60s have left the country behind.

Rather than unbundle the rusty behemoth called Nigeria or achieve an uncommon transformation that can banish poverty and elevate the living standards of the people, the government is selfishly and mischievously welding the faulty contraption together. For example, why should the Jonathan National Conference say that the unity of Nigeria is not negotiable. Na by force person dey take marry?

shymexx: Interesting and quite commendable for self-defense....



However, what are the Yoruba's and their elites doing? Sophistication won't be enough to counter "shock and awe" when it kicks off. The handwriting is already on the wall.

You lot have got Cuba and Brazil, with a large Yoruba diaspora population. You need to plan ahead and make use of that link, to balance the equation.

Valid point. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. I assume that the people are not slumbering.

Nigeria has become a sore point on the world map.

mankand: These clowns does not end amazing me

You called them clowns without addressing the other group that's sending people to Jordan for training.

It's either you condemn the two of them or commend the two of them.

ilugunboy: Is this a joke taking too far or what? Who is financing this clearly secessionist movement?

People have lost confidence in the Nigeria project to the extent that the average Igbo or Yoruba might be willing to contribute cash to the realization of a Biafran or Oduduwa Republic than the sustenance of Nigeria.

Another question is:why can't people secede? Why should secession be a crime in this time and age?

naptu2:

It is time we the Biafran people be allowed to be independence as the people of South Sudan have been allowed to be independent.

I really don't know why the peoples of Nigeria are being forced and compelled to live together.

The Nigerian experiment has not worked and the forced union is yet to produce good fruits. All the regions of the so-called Federation are screaming of marginalization and most people have lost confidence in the system. Every now and then, we hear of threats from all quarters. Is this how to live?

Our Human Development Indices remain low and many of our citizens are stuck in poverty. Many countries are rejecting Nigerians both within and outside Africa.

Isn't it funny and strange that we have freedoms of movement and association enshrined in the constitution but the same constitution says we can't leave the union? So where is the freedom of association? Where's the freedom of expression?


Why can't people determine where and how to live; or who to live with?

Balkan: Front page please! thank God for CBN. so this is what this thief is doing
in Imo state. You took Imo people"s momey to fund a Yoruba party?
Shame on APC, shame on Olaniyi Okorocha!

You started well but spoilt your own post with a needless tribal assault.

Okorocha joined/merged with APC this year. What was the debt level as at the time he joined? Can you prove your wild claims about funding the 'Yoruba' party?

Any governor that spends irresponsibly should not go scot free regardless of his political party.

Sagamite:

Majority of Nigeriams are fucktards that are too poor to think and too poor in thinking.

They are destitutes by thinking and destitutes by their Nairaland posts.

With this alarming level of 'thought destitution', which is far worse than economic destitution, it's very doubtful if Nigeria will ever be salvaged.

Okija_juju:


Who owns Anambra State University? The State... That's why Anambra State students can attend school at a lesser fee because the taxes of their parents is what built the school.

Tax payers money is to be used for the benefit of the common interest of the public like build Public Schools, Public Libraries, Public water supply, Public Roads, Public interests not finance privately owned institutions and businesses.

If he can give Private schools Public money, then all privately owned business should also get the same free money.

It's either you don't understand what government is and what public funds are meant to be used for or you just need Jesus.

If Nigeria was a sane society, Gov. obi should be facing an impeachment committee right now. That's how he used state funds to buy SUVs for chiefs. Do you even know that the churches that own these schools don't pay taxes? Do you know how many roads he could have built with 200million Naira? Or even provide a loan facility to the many Anambra state small scale business owners that could use this money to not only expand their businesses and employ more Anambra state youths, but also repay the money to the government with a premium?

It's illegal to use public funds to fund private entities, period.

It's like Jonathan giving public money to Oyedepo to finance his mega churches or to Dangote to finance his business.


You need to stop reasoning like an Obogwu.

Ah! You get patience.

Hopefully, he'll print out what you wrote, bind it and label it 'Government 101 For Dummies' before giving a copy to his paymasters.

A snail that thinks it's a horned animal.

Proxytalk: All of you ranting and calling Obi names are either bis myopic or even foolish. In anambra state of today its now common to see over 80% students especially in misionary sch getting 9 credits in ssce. infact the state govt need to build 1 more uni . The gov gave 5bn to ansu nobody said anything.just 200m to madonna and st paul u people are ranting. See st paul that is struggling with acreditation, of which this money can go a long way. And remember both are faith based uni that charge lower fees.

See this moronic poster that is introducing his muddled up and upside down post with insults being thrown at his betters.

He has even compounded the plight of his god (Peter Obi) by adding a faith angle as if Nigeria were a non-secular country.

He's talking about a struggling university when we have previously talked about GM and Chrysler's bailout on this same thread and the fundamental differences between that case and this one.

Look at the way he addressed the money given to Anambra State University by the state government! Gosh! People dey for this country o!

I've talked about him in the third person singular form because his IQ is third rated. He's the type of person that makes outsiders think that third world countries are entirely populated with morons.

soul_glo: For all the aggressive attitude that almost all Nigerians display it never fails to amaze me how Nigerians are just cool with their elected officials screwing them in the ass with no lubrication. The way the article was worded annoys me. "Governor Obi donates...". Who the hell is he to donate anything? If anything you say "The state gave...". You people keep encouraging these criminals. It is not his money to give and even questionable for the state to hand that amount of money over to private schools. Is there a commissioner of Education? Why is Governor Obi even involved. Why are people elected to different offices when it seems like it is always the governor this and the governor that. SMH. As always finding a good and effective leader in Nigeria is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

You've made very good points but what's the fundamental difference between 'gave' and 'donated'? The noun of 'give' is 'gift' while that of 'donate' is 'donation'.

Superego:
Our government and their coterie of elite vampires loot not just from our land, but from our pockets. They have made the nation too poor, too poor to react and they are counting on us soon becoming too poor to even think .

Classic!

elari: i am really begining to wonder the advisers employed by this guvnor recently

The advisers may not be advising him rightly or properly; or he may be the one not listening to advice.

Nevertheless, the thoughtless and careless manner he's throwing money around may come back to haunt him.

«—M®×L¹MPºPº ™:


Holme you'r just bn pig-headed, daft and hebetudinous,and it nauseats! How on earth do you expect a nascent university like P.U to properly function and carry out multifarious n complex research programmes without any assistance or help from the govt??

For crying out loud!! It's lucid that their tuition fee's vry exiguous compared to what they charg in covenant,babcock and other five-star standard universities.

So they fully deserv whatevr that is bn remitted to them. afteral they also nurture and impact tremendously in the lives of Nigerians. it would yield cynics like you more dividend if u can jus jettison all this hate and calumny u've for private unis; and see them as a plain citadel of learnin not mindin whose investment it is.

You're only throwing around words without making sense or addressing the issues the same way that Peter Obi is throwing around money.

Take this into your head: government can support private universities but not by giving free money!

Were you too lazy to read?

I asked you, where in the world do governments give free money to private businesses, be they schools, hospitals or construction companies? Which government gives cash into private concerns without strings attached? There are so many ways to support private businesses without doling out cash like this.

Did anyone force the owners of the universities to open them or why are you making it sound like government must give them 'awoof' money? Are they no collecting school fees? Are they no making profit?

I think you need to tell those who sent you that they should replace you with brighter person who can address the issues.

gentlegg: Had he given the money to 200 Anambra graduates 1,000,000 each for small/medium scale entrepreneurship, just imagine how far poverty would have been relegated in the state.

I would have commended him if he had given a loan of N500,000 each to 400 struggling traders at say 5% interest rate per annum.

I would not have condemned the move if the N200m to the two universities was a long term loan or to be used to train Anambra indigenes FREE OF CHARGE for a stated number of years. In which case, it would be like an upfront payment from the state which the schools can use to expand or improve their capacity. Even here, there are a number of bolts to be well-tightened and firm agreements to be made or guarantees given.

No responsible government official throws money around senselessly.

«—M®×L¹MPºPº ™:


Dude,taharaq made a salient & plausible point with his post, so hauling your otiose invectives on him doesn't make your argument stronger rather it exudes how vulnerable you're..

I dnt see anythin hideous wit the Gov. Obi's munificent gesture, afteral it's a popular maxim that knowledge is universal and this cn nvr be overemphasised!

You were too blind to see what's wrong with the Governor's action.

You were too blind to see that the misguided poster you referred to fired the first salvo.

Now, open your eyes and read again since you've chosen to carry taharqa's can:

Where in the world do governments give money to private businesses without tying it to anything?

The reason that Peter Obi adduced is that the schools train Anambra children. What sense does this make? Are there no other businesses (brewery, hospitals, transporters, farm, etc) that could say they get their patronage from Anambra people?

Are the private universities not charging fees for the knowledge they impart?

I'm waiting...educate me.

Okija_juju:


Nigerians dont care for their rights..


F|uck it.. We dont even know if we have rights..

Hells.. WTF is 'rights'?! Is that a turn on the road?!

You're a funny man but you're saying the truth.

Okija_juju:


Like that Obogwu called Ijeoma said, its a kind gesture..




Let Obi contribute 100 million Naira to a brewery, afterall they have been supplying ndi Anambra with alcohol at pump price..

Also contribute to a condom factory, because they have been helping to control Anambra population..




I will take it a step beyond Obi..


What is this trend with Nigerian Government and donating public funds with reckless abandon only to go and borrow money later to fund developmental programmes like infrastructures and co..

Is it that we dont carry out proper budgeting for the allocations that these governors are getting?!

ALL Governors, barr non are guilty of this. In Odili's era, it was buses and money.



As long as we give governors blanket powers to be dashing out our money as they like, then I'm sorry, we cant complain.

Nigerians are becoming more and more apathetic by the day and the thieves in government are taking massive advantage of this passivity on the part of the people.

The rest of the people who aren't passive support the thieving officials in a blind and shocking manner. I was even too shocked to respond to the poster you referref to.

All in all, there's a conducive environment for corruption. Arguably, there has not been a better time for corruption in the annals of Nigerian history than now.

DC Trendy: Some people re here justifying this reckless spending o... And u know what, some of them re in Anambra and can't even afford 3 sqaure meal per day but because they like Apga, the re ok with their commen wealth being squandared!

Go and check it, @ d tail end of every tenure in naija, public office holders always spend this way.

I have been saying it here for so long: the followership in Nigeria has become as much of a problem as the leadership.

People who don't have a cluout where their next meal will come from defend thieving government officials.

Have you noticed that human rights activists are getting fewer and fewer in Nigeria?

The problems are getting more and more complex.

Okija_juju:

Una been dey quarrel before?!

He asked for it. He simply harvested what he planted together with multiple fruits.

Those who sow the wind will reap a whirlwind.

crackhouse: u may be right but I know that money will surely come back to govt by way of tax. so relax.

Is this not like saying that the state government should make donations to the brewery, private secondary schools, banks, transport business, real estate companies and farms that are in the state because they'll also pay taxes?

Or taken further, is it not like saying that the state government should also donate to individuals because they'll also pay taxes?

By the way, the mere fact that you pay taxes does not entitle you to free government money.

You're supposed to pay taxes as a civic responsibility because of what you already enjoy. Or are you saying there's no basis for the two privates universities to pay taxes unless they get free money from government?

Guyman02:

Even Obama gave bailout money to GM and Ford motors because the create jobs for Americans just like those private institutions do within their locality in Anambra.

You're wrong.

The bailout money during the recession and auto industry crisis was not free money as Obi is doing.

The bailout of GM and Chysler, which was properly debated and approved, actually gave the American government the right to shares which it has started selling. It was like injecting cash into the company as a shareholder.

Do you want to come up with another reason why you think this action of Obi makes sense?

INEC cannot and will not cancel the election.

The aggrieved parties should go to court. There's a strong case for a cancellation by the courts.

Meanwhile, there are now two court cases calling for Obiano's disqualification.