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jarkbauer:
1. Push your car complaints to car talk, copy all known mechanics.
2. Get confused and tutored by their language and suggestions but get the technical name for your complaints and parts needed.
3. Open google, type in the technical name for your complaints.
4. Look at 5 or more YouTube Videos about the solution to your car problems.
5. Download the 'most professional' Video and watch again and again
6. Download the Repair bulletin.
7. Buy Original parts even your Kazeem will say Oga na follow come you buy ooo.
8. Call your Kazeem.
9. Get a day off work to stay with your kazeem
10. Buy 2 bottles of Orijin(motivation to obey your annoying commands)
11.Proceed to your Kazeem, CALMLY tell him how you want your problems solved.
12. Pray you dont need a scan tool to finish the work.

13. Call gazzuzz when problems arise

14. Pay Gazzuzz for technical support

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Fixed it

nurey:
Would the car be bought by me?

In this instance would I be driving myself or been driven?

Would they both be bullet proofed?

What country would I be driving both, it will depend largely on my choice.

Would I be a young VVIP or old VVIP?

WAFFLER!!!! stop waffling and answer the question hee hee

mammanbawa:
Lmao
No vex
Good morning sir
Back to business
Any weapon formed against G box shall not prosper

Na me dey cheerlead all your responses o LMAO

I'm still stuck on the statement that it is unethical to add anything on top for parts and looking for arguments both for and against this.

HeavenlyBang:
1. Making false claims (Car has this feature when it doesn't, car is in perfect condition when it isn't, car is unaccidented when it isn't)
2. Selling a lemon (A car that's so fugged that it's turnioneown)
3. Selling a stolen car
4. Selling a car with bad documents
5. Selling a car with certain things don to falsify the truth (Odometer rollback, paint jobs to hide rust and possible chassis damage)

I focused mainly on 1,2 and 5 forgot in Nigeria 3 & 4 are just as likely

GAZZUZZ:
Of recent there have been accusations and counter accusations of alleged unfair deals in the autos section, so let's discuss, what is a scam in a used car transaction.

Please this is not a platform for mud slinging, but mature productive, intelligent and educative responses.

Oya carry go.

An intentional attempt to hide something in a car purchase that should be disclosed. A car doesn't have to be perfect but if the seller KNOWS about an issue (particularly a major or safety issue), they must disclose it and let the buyer make an INFORMED decision. E.g. no wiping check engine codes to make a sale.

That being said, a buyer should also do due diligence when buying.

Lemon law for new cars:
Although the exact criteria vary by state, new vehicle lemon laws require that an auto manufacturer repurchase a vehicle that has a significant defect that the manufacturer is unable to repair within a reasonable amount of time.[2] Lemon laws consider the nature of the problem with the vehicle, the number of days that the vehicle is unavailable to the consumer for service of the same mechanical issue, and the number of repair attempts made. If repairs cannot be completed within the total number of days described in the state statute, the manufacturer becomes obligated to buy back the defective vehicle.[3] Contrary to popular belief, the dealership has no obligation to buy back the vehicle, because the dealership does not warrant the vehicle, the manufacturer does.

This being Nigeria, I think NY used car lemon laws are appropriate:
https://ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/used-car-lemon-law-fact-sheet

nurey:
Wetin I do, cant you see the way baba G-wagon break leg when he was trying to do the moon walk dance

You've been hit by a smooth criminal

Haba. You know fully well that was a result of bolts not properly screwed

nurey:
But I was just defining what unreliable means, it's when you test drive a vehicle and parts start falling off like leaving clue on a trail. almighty benz caught red handed chai chai there is God ooo

I was referring to brand new not used o. I used to love taking people next door to Nissan/Infiniti when I worked for Toyota

nurey:
People actually defined the G-wagon exactly as you just wrote it. But it still sells, just like the QX56/Armada it may look like that insult but it definitely is every woman's wish to be loved at the back seat

Now the G-wagon I like

Powerexpert:
Ahhh! I need to re-anoint this sensor o make e hear word.

Sipping zobo for the flow meter.

What did I say?

connkg:
Enough information to draw up a business proposal in any field, not just automech!

Giving a mathematical figure like radauto suggests would be dependent on individual set-up, just like in a business proposal.
Going hypothetical, the 200th to 999th customers would get any item free of charge if the first 199 paid for troublesome scans; especially if PHCN was upbeat, you got low-rent location and few staff. Unfortunately, there will be unknown months ahead.
The moral stance brings conscience into business. Neither here nor there, really.

So, my final answer is, "how does one quality compare with the cheapest of same quality in terms of cost?"
_{... and that lasts until there's a Union or Association with capitalism in mind.}

I should have added that it would also have to fit within industry norms. If it doesn't, then you can't operate at a profit in that field and shouldn't venture into it.

mayor2013:
Some price scanning as low as 1000. When you have a professional scantool and you are charged 1350usd for yearly update subscription. What then should be the right fee to charge. As small as a ford fiesta is. I saw a quotation of close to 600k when I was training overseas .

Not to mention that a scan tool like the one we use is roughly $4,000.

nonen:
I think it’s unethical and even fraudulent for a mechanic to charge a percentage for parts, which he’s going to use for his work. I’m saying this from the perspective that the mechanic is not a spare parts dealer, but simply calls for the parts, which he’s going to use for his job. What business does he have with charging a percentage on the spare parts. It’s just like our past governors who are currently serving as senators, they take their senate house pay and also keeps taking pay from the states they milkeddry. I believe we see that such actions is really very bad.

Charging for services to fix the car should be done with discretion, knowing fully well that there are professional competition all over, car owners are beginning to adopt DIY methods, there are also Kazeems around too willing and happy to do the same job for half the price.

Considering the fact that they get the items cheaper than you could, then yes. It's called supply chain economics. Please name one other industry where there is no markup as you go down the supply chain. You are paying a premium for not having to go find it yourself and getting it cheaper than you probably could have.

One of our policies is that we don't source used parts. If you want one, you have to bring it yourself. You know what? People complain about having to do that. So yes, you will get charged for the ease of not having to do it yourself.

I'll put it this way. That's like saying a restaurant is unethical for charging more than the cost of ingredients plus labor for a plate of food. You get what you pay for. Yes, a kazeem is willing to do it for half the price but then you fall into the penny wise, pound foolish category. If this wasn't true, there wouldn't be so many people in Cartalk.

3kay945:
You charge 2500 for 30mins scanning?

I once paid 5k for not up to 10mins scan.

Hmmm... Maybe we should raise price? Jjk. We're good.

nurey:
Scam in auto repairs is when I bring a Nissan GTR Nismo to your workshop for repairs and leave with a Volvo (very odd looking vehicular object)

Nah joke ooo

Valarinz, I swear I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you.

nurey:
The QX56 is like buhari achievement too big for you to see its luxury

I can see buhari.... I wish I could unsee the qx

bizzle2:
If you have a high compression engine and you're in the market for a cost effective fuel additive.... Find this.

Threw a bottle of this into a 60 litre tank of fuel, and ...OMG!!!, the beast was awoken.

Idles quieter,
accelerates faster
Consumes less

After alot of research this came up as one of the "best value" options among the few octance boosters scientifically "proven" to increase octane rating (by up to 3 in this case). Options like the Torco accelerator can increase the octane rating by up to 5 numbers, but those cost an arm and a leg


Even though this contains MMT it is still advertised as safe for injectors, cat converters etc. Maybe there are compounds that counter or prevent the Magnesium deposits ?

We sell this http://weblink.carquest.com/acl/?mfgName=LCS&partNumber=10026 N6,953

Powerexpert:
NB:radautoworks if I wan get am por original air flowmeter & 02 how much fa?

My bredda no run o.
http://weblink.carquest.com/acl/?mfgName=OXY&partNumber=234-4233 N48,650 e dey

Tomorrow for flow meter

Abdomox:
Boss, pls which is easier to maintain between Lexus RX350 and IS250 in Nigeria.

I mean cost of engine, gearbox and co. Need the info, just in case.

Thanks.

Rx by sheer popularity=more accessible parts and techs

Davedoz:
I get you now sir.

I was actually talking about the Nigeria used Avalon 03 - 06, comparing them with the price of Corolla 03 - 06 and Camry 03 to 06.

I saw a lot of cheap 03/04 Avalon on Jiji. About 100k cheaper when compared to its Camry or Corolla counterparts.

Please, this 03/04 engine 1mzfe 3.0L VVTI V6 210hp, what's it fuel conservation like?

An Avalon cheaper than a Corolla?

mammanbawa:
Brother nurey, come defend this one.
Sha even if you go abuse all the infinitis
Please leave fx out of it
I so much love that car

At least it's pretty. The QX56 on the other hand...

nurey:
Nissan/infiniti sits above benz in the reliability index, even Audi/VW is above benz.

So you should draw your own attention to your list

I usually agree with you nurey but on this one..

nurey:
They said animals with horns make them show face snail, lobster and crayfish dey show (benz, Lexus, Acura) abegi na we get am, nah we dey here

G35
M35
M45
Q45
FX35
FX45
QX56
JX35

Infiniti/Nissan luxury without boundaries

choose your choice let's compare and get beaten

Chai! See insult! Infiniti wey parts dey fall off during test drive lol

kingreign:
Lexus is the most practical, the best value for money, the most luxurious (I don't care about others opinions or what internet polls say).

No sah! Lexus is third

valarinz:
I was using the logic from the op of the other thread

I got it figured he would read this too hence the careful choice of title

valarinz:
A scam is when a vehicle owner pays you 10k for a job and afterwards hears his friend did same job for 3k

Only a scam if done by the same person or one of similar caliber.

Frankdamaxx:
To answer this question, look at it from this angle.

The truth is that we are experiencing a shift from the traditional/Local mechanic structure to More modern structures.

Then, being a Mechanic was for never do wells and drop outs. Now, Even Masters Degree holders are Mechanics now with modern workshop and tools. For someone who has patronised local Mechanics for years paying 1k to service his car now having to pay the modern mechanic up to 10k for the same service takes some getting used to.

As people buy modern cars, they switch to the modern mechanics. The average year of production for most cars on the road are between 2000 to 2010.

As Cars become more advanced technologically edging out local mechanics, then people will be more comfortable adjusting to prices.

Very thoughtful answers. My point is that for a mechanic to price a job, they have to figure out their break even. E.g.

If a mechanic does jobs on average for 5k (which people are still loathe to pay), forget rent or any other expense, just to take home 100k in a month, he has to fix 20 cars. Now, add in rent, transportation, tools, supplies, you expect this same mechanic to fix at least 50 cars a month just to take home 100k. Is that reasonable? When does he eat? When does he sleep?

Now apply that to a mechanic shop and then you'll understand why mechanics charge what they do. Same with part sellers. If you expect a part seller to only Mark up 20% and he probably took out a loan to start the business (which he would be lucky to have gotten at 10%), add in diesel/phcn and rent. Exactly how many parts would he have to sell just to break even much less make it worthwhile?

For us, there is no black magic involved. We simply estimated all our expenses and worked backwards based on number of expected cars and average job size to arrive at our hourly rate. It's a basic formula that is used by all mechanic shops overseas. Could we have charged more like other shops at 6,500 -10,000 like other shops? Sure, but we didn't NEED to.

With these figures in mind, I ask my original question again. What do you think is a fair markup?

jarkbauer:
Negotiable percentage. But not more than 20%.

Aunty How much do you replace shocks. Based on your hourly basis .

Truth is we are used to kaseem whom we can negotiate and price down. We know dealership like elizade they are expensive so dont go there. All these in between dey cause confusion. You no be kazeem you nor be dealership, then who you be. Elizade go charge me 10k for scanning. Gazzuzz go charge me 10k for scanning too. Elizade get big scanner gazzuzz dem say he get small scanner. So we are confused. Where to categorise unna

And to answer your question, we charge N2,500 (30mins) for "scanning" or diagnosis up to a maximum of 10k for a troublesome one. Or our hourly rate is N5,000. Most shocks book at about 1.5-2 hours so N7,500-N10,000. Most brakes are about an hour so N5,000.

Follow up questions
1) how much do you think the average mechanic makes?
2) how many repairs do you think the average mechanic does a month?

asamwababy:
The issue of pricing can be attributed to how cars are procured in Nigeria due to lack of car ownership schemes.

The truth is that so many Nigerians have no business owning cars.But you cant blame them for struggling to purchase one due to the ineffective transport system available.

After saving for years to buy a car,its obvious such individual will struggle to mainating vehicle after purchase.

The worst part is the African mans mentality of showing off which wont even allow them buy what they can afford.

And THERE lies the crux of the matter.

Frankdamaxx:
The issue of billing and profit percentage is very dicey.

The capitalist are of the opinion of charge as much as you can get on the product.

The socialist cares about the consumer getting a better deal.

The moralist will want a win win situation for the consumer and seller.

The question is what is your philosophy on business?

When we complain about someone else's high price we forget that we are also charging a high price for what we sell.

But price should also be looked at in terms of product offering. Like someone said, why is Iya Gazzuzz chicken KFC chicken more expensive than Iya kazeema's chicken?

This is kind of where I was expecting this to head. We fall in the moralist end of the spectrum. We want the customer to have a good deal but don't plan to go out of business doing so either.

jarkbauer:
Negotiable percentage. But not more than 20%.

Aunty How much do you replace shocks. Based on your hourly basis .

Truth is we are used to kaseem whom we can negotiate and price down. We know dealership like elizade they are expensive so dont go there. All these in between dey cause confusion. You no be kazeem you nor be dealership, then who you be. Elizade go charge me 10k for scanning. Gazzuzz go charge me 10k for scanning too. Elizade get big scanner gazzuzz dem say he get small scanner. So we are confused. Where to categorise unna

Okay. So let's go with 20%. How much do you think a typical mechanic/shop's expenses are percentage wise?