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budaatum:
There is a thread on here about the fraudulent healing done in Oyakhilome's church. If I find it.

SirJoh.n is the author. I know it. It changes nothing. My comments still. One fake does not take out the rest. The rest are my concern. It should not happen at all.

dalaman:
Do you know this individual in person? Is he a friend, family or an aquintance? He was a sickler for 25 years and suddenly got healed by falling down in a church service? Did you observe it happen? They have no reason to lie? Isn't if the same thing people the do IVF tell others? They'll swear that it was their God that gave them the baby and people will say they have no reason to lie. My aunt did it. Her husband is pastor, they had their twins through IVF like 10 years ago when it wasn't evenough popular in Nigeria and swore to who ever cared to listen that it was God. And many beloved they had no reason to lie.

No I don't. But I have no reason to believe they are lying. And I am not gullible or anything.
Tell me, what would be their motive? The motives of not just one, two, or three people. Many people with different cases of healing.
Oyakhilome's healing school has being going on for years. Do you really want to tell me that no single sick person has being healed for years and it still going on? No one?

Of course they may be cases of fake miracles, what it means is that not everyone gets healed for some reason or the other. My argument is that some people get miracle cures from religious places. Clear cut medicine-defying miracles that will be visible to any honest and impartial observer.
I am not sure why they happen. But they happen.

To the unbeliever, no proof is enough

budaatum:
I was once at a meeting at a friends of mine where they were discussing what to do with a destitute woman and her three children in their church.

TBJ had healed her husband of hiv. The man was so grateful, he gave TBJ a house in gratitude and stopped taking his medication. He then fell ill and was rushed to the doctor who found out he'd stopped taking his medication. "You stupid man" doctor said, "do you not know this medication is what stops you from falling ill and dying?" And doctor put him back on medication and man got better, and went back to TBJ to tell him what had happened.

"O you of little faith" said TBJ, and 'cured' the man again of hiv and the man gave him a second house in gratitude. But soon after not taking his medication he fell ill again and was rushed to the doctor who put him back on drugs and he got better, again.

When he had recovered, he went back to TBJ and TBJ cured him again and told him to have more faith, and he gave TBJ his final and last house. And when he fell ill, he refused to go to the doctor and refused his medication because finally, we was having faith.

The meeting I was at were of the Catholic Church he'd always attended and where he had left his destitute wife and children because he had had faith in TBJ and given him his three houses and had died!

TBJ is a fraud.
This changes nothing. Like you, I am wary of people who claim to be men of God. But what I am saying is the number of cases of healings that we witness gives me reason to believe there is something to them. It is logistically impossible for all of them to be staged. It is also unreasonable to say that this people have what you like to call false healing.
Instead of dismissing, you should take your time to visit this places and follow up their cases if you have the time and resources.
This makes more sense to me than staying at home and dismissing this cases without even giving a thought.
I am certain that many sick people get healed at churches. The mechanism of their healing is what I am unsure of.
There is no way I will believe that the multitude that go to these places are idiots. Something is taking them there.

davecris:
i think they ve got more steel than City. They are showing signs of potential champions and i think they will win it. They ve d best GK, defence and forwardline.

Until it is breached. Everyone said City were favorites till they lost to Leicester and Crystal Palace.
If Liverpool lose tomorrow the league will go to the wire.

davecris:
It is over already. I don't see this Liverpool team doing a Gerrard again. I know they bottled it before but this is a completely different team. They have everything. They will win the league.

If they lose they won't.
They are yet to be tested mentally. They have had many narrow escapes. One bad performance and they would come tumbling like a pack of dominoes.

Beey:
I am very out of touch honestly.Not in Kenya so I’ll admit that am a bit off when it comes to social sites.I only know of daily post & Nairobi news.Sorry I know for not being helpful�

It's cool!

gensteejay:
Some of my family members have done genotype and blood group determination tests in a couple of hospitals and got different results without undergoing a bone marrow transplant procedure or attending a crusade, or similar staged shows.

There is nothing paranormal there as ill-equipped Nigerian hospitals and personnel, such as lab technicians, typically commit errors and mistakes in carrying out genotype and blood group determination procedures.

For this reason, some people would advise you to check your genotype and blood group in a general or government-owned hospital, and not private ones, and that it should be done more than once.

If you read threads related to genotype determination tests on Nairaland, you would see comments of people that got different genotypes and blood groups from different hospitals.

So, what you described could have been caused by mistakes or errors from the personnel that did the tests.

So someone who has been battling the disease for over two decades, has suffered several crises, takes Niprisan on a regular basis, suddenly has no need for any medication immediately after a church service; a service which he fell to the ground without any prompting was improperly diagnosed.

Improper diagnosis? That's your conclusion. I don hear you.

tintingz:
Ok, hope you're not committing post hoc fallacy.

You just made me remember KingEbukasblog. Where that guy dey self?

You don't expect me or someone rational to just accept, did you follow it up?

No I did not. These people have no reason to lie. At least none that I can see.

There might be possibilities of genotype change through transfusion or so, I just don't know but saying it's some miracle is a fallacy.

No make me laugh abeg. Dem dey do transfusion for church?

I have not witnessed any before.

Even scientists know there are strange things but they just don't associate it to some supernatural.

Which scientists do you speak of?

The age old conundrum. Who will guard the guards?

tintingz:
Nope. Saw their comments on another site like that.

Okay

Thunder and lightning has been associated to supernatural in the past, not only thunder, rain, tornado etc because they cannot be explain then.

I understand this. Not what I mean.

Verified faith of healing? Care to share the story?

I have not seen one before, care to share?

Mr A was born with sickle cell. One day he accompanies his elder sister to Reinhard Bonke's crusade and falls on the ground during the ministration. He senses that something about him has changed and the next day he goes to a lab for checkups. He is tested and told he is AA. He does not believe, he goes to two other labs and gets the same result. This is a condition he has had to manage all his life. He is 25. How do I ignore this?

Are they been investigated?

I used to think you're irreligious or am I wrong?

Have you investigated any yourself?

I am irreligious. I just cannot pretend not to see some strange happenings in the name of irreligiousity.

Too much gbana!

gensteejay:
There are several supernatural or paranormal phenomena that haven't explained in the conventional sciences.

But I think Nigeria's moribund health sector could be responsible for the cases you mentioned here. I have a first-hand experience of this changing genotype issue, will give more explanation later.

Santa be praised
I am eager to read your explanation.

tintingz:
There are atheists that believe in supernatural activities although very minority.

Know any on here?

Most atheists don't account for supernatural/paranormal because most times it cannot be proven or it can easily be explain. Thunder and lightning was ones seen as supernatural!

They don't, they just deny. Thunder and lightening are phenomena that are constant. They are expected whenever there is rain.
I am talking about things like verified faith healing, reversal of genotypes upon prayer or laying of hands.

Even if supernatural can be proven but can't be explain then we shouldn't jump into conclusion of it is "supernatural", there are many phenomena we don't even know their causes, well maybe super-natural is a good word just maybe.

Oh really?
Tell me then, what's your hypothesis for a case of SS turning to AA after the sufferer attends a packed crusade?

Beey:
I am Kenyan but understand a bit of Igbo.I totally love this song.Soul-lifting though I’ve found Igbo to not be a very easy language, am trying to sing the whole Igbo part of the song.LOL

Hi there!
Which online forum is the most popular in Kenya?

MuttleyLaff:
"read worthy enough" is relative.

What is "read worthy enough" for me is not "read worthy enough" for P-Square/murdered reptiles enthusiasts or vice versa

I am not fascinated by P-Square/murdered reptiles threads but for some its "read worthy enough" to them

True.

This is why it is sometimes necessary to beg the mods. It's a way of making them take a be
second look at your thread since they might discard it on their own account of "read worthiness".

MuttleyLaff:
You've just with all this, reinforced the point.

P-Squares's living room made FP about three times this year, without the poster publicly begging for front page

You knocked and hit the nail on the head. Yes, threads involving murdered reptiles always get to FP because they are "read worthy" enough

If Nairaland is style over substance, then begging wont make a difference

The god of Nairaland often puts threads on front page because they merit it and does it without instances of prior begging for a leg up.

I know anytime I quote you I'm asking for trouble.

Define "read worthy enough".

MuttleyLaff:
Please make it the last time you stop all that nonsense and gimmick already
If the thread and posted content is read worthy enough, it will find itself on front page by its own merit and without begging for a leg up.

This is not true. There is no meritocracy on this forum. Traffic is the major driver of FP and this thread does not look like a traffic puller.
Nairaland is style over substance. A thread showing P-Squares's living room has made FP about three times this year and is currently there. (Same pictures ooo).
How do you explain the fact that threads involving murdered reptiles always get to FP? Is it because they are "read worthy" enough?

My problem with the atheistic position is that it does not account for the supernatural/paranormal things that happens around us. It simply dismisses, chalks it up as coincidence or outrightly denies them.
This in my view is dishonest.

To the believer, no proof is necessary, to the unbeliever no proof is enough --Thomas Aquinas.

Doesn't sound possible to me. That amount also feels small for such a project. Pipe dream?

UyaiIncomparabl:
Really? Your temperament changed? What was/is your temperament? I just got the book, and haven't read much of it. Hoping to change this sickly phlegmatic temperament of mine.

I was sure I was "Rocky Choleric" when I read it (about 7 to 8 years ago).
I'm not so sure anymore.

victorian:
Nope I'm Nigerian.
Although strangely I look like them..
But that's how God wants it.

Yeap. You look Mongolian. Happy birthday sha!

NessaBoo:
Lol...Nigerians can fear ehn!! Nigerians and fear fear!! See comments.

The comments shock me self. Which kind people be this?

We don't have sense of Adventure in this country at all...I think I can actually try this, just to fulfill a sense of exploration--I love nature and the wildlife , but any small squeak on the wooden floor in the middle of the night will send me to a total frenzy, so i probably won't even sleep with both eyes closed...I'd be half awake....

Lool

I don't see anything to be afraid of.

Are you from The Philippines?

SAMBARRY:
Razz village boy turn local champion

Going to America is now an achievement and something to boast about for Nigerians

Just like those clowns that go to Dubai and snap picture in every supermarket and train stations for social media

Awon mosheshe losi doobayi

I no dey understand you this woman. Na bad thing e do?

UyaiIncomparabl:
Downloading these books doesn't take a thing. Send me your whatsapp contact so I'll forward the PDF of Tim LaHAye's book to you.

I am tempted to read that book again. I think my temperament has changed since I last read it.

Yes it is. Na people even dey owe me money self.

mrblessed:
Here she goes again! This is a well-articulated sentence (although unconventionally long) but nonetheless marred by the refusal to use a comma and full stop.

I can tell when a man is starting to like a woman.

MuttleyLaff:
Its the strange feeling you have, knowing something is wrong, something looks and feels odd but you cant place your finger on what it is, yet you just know that something isnt or doesnt look right but dont know why not

You have mail, long mail for that matter and now wiser about what to do. Miracles do happen.

Seen your mail. Much appreciated. Miracles eh?

MissRaine69:
I refuse to dumb myself down I accepted that we did not function on the same wave length and I would be utterly and truly miserable having to explain every single thing I said.

Lol.
So what do you do then? I'm guessing you are not based in Nigeria.

MuttleyLaff:
Have you never heard "ifura ni ogun agba" casually used in Yoruba colloquials?

Don't believe I have.

"Ifura" means being suspicious over something, keeping a strange feeling about something or someone, or that odd feeling had, over a thing

I get you.

schoolboymatt:
seriously

What?

MuttleyLaff:
OK ooo then you definitely will know that "ifura ni ogun agba" loosely translated means "experience is a juju charm grown ups make avail of"

"Ifura"?
Not that well apparently.

As I said, I actually suspected when I saw you with your pants down, looking puzzled and thinking to yourself "kini gbogbo palapala yi gan now?" and knew then on, that you got a ban too, on top of having your post hidden

As like almost every other thing, that has traditional remedies, "magun" has its too. I've tried reaching out to you via email about its.

Okay.