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felixomor:
Pauls letters were not written in chapters.
Men divided it into chapters for reference sake.

So, go and read everything.

Super story... Just mention the verse. That shouldn't be difficult now

felixomor:
Good.
Did u also read he part where he said a woman can save a man?
Did u read where he encouraged the women church leaders?
Did you?

There is no where in that chapter he said any of those things... Tell me the exact verses

Women were created FOR men

For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11: 8-9

felixomor:
Go and read everything...

... I read everything especially the part that said women must be quiet because Adam was not deceived and he was created before Eve. I also read the part where he said childbearing will save women..

So, Adam and Eve ate apple, therefore, some kids in Africa should starve to death... God is good...

felixomor:
Philips daughters were also in the early churches and so many other women who taught in church.

So stop showing this generalized ignorance of the bible.
It didnt apply to all women.

Again, i say, go read it.

What about there one in 1 Timothy 2:11-15... Is it for a group of people too?

Op why now? Don't tell me you want to stop people from eating grass and dancing in muddy water to worship their god... It's their exclusive right

DoctorAlien:
Are you going to throw your god Richard Dawkins under the bus now?

I didn't even know about Richard Dawkins until I joined nairaland. Don't assume all atheists know him, Richard Dawkins is a human being, therefore he's flawed and imperfect. He is not a benchmark for atheism. No one is. That's why its not a religion.
On the other hand, your god who BTW u claim is perfect and benevolent commanded that when a girl is raped, the only punishment for the rapist is that he should pay 50 shekels and the girl is sold to the rapist forever... The rape victim is stuck with the assailant and she has no say in the matter.
Your god condoned RAPE OF WOMEN and it's atheism that sexist and misogynist.

U are painting atheism as sexist or misogynist but u fail to realize that women are not allowed to become catholic priests or until very recently in some countries, Anglican bishops....
There are many verses in the bible demeaning and degrading women and that includes new testament verses... Some are mentioned in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3563053/how-bible-demeans-women/2#52666648
In fact studies have shown that married Christian women are more prone to domestic violence or abuse than atheist married women... And the church still expects these women to submit to their husbands

Sarassin:
Having read the article, I am not sure one can take the perhaps misogynistic views of one or two atheists and then equate that to an inherent misogyny and sexism in atheism in general. Unlike most religions where there are clearly defined rules and roles for women that are obviously sexist and misogynist, there are no institutes of atheism defining such roles for women. I see the article as little more than a “red herring”. And to be sure, I am not an atheist.

U are objective... And u have common sense...

Women would be saved through child bearing
But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Pidgin2:
God did not segregate when he sent His Holy Spirit to live in the heart of humanbeings, he did not segregate when he sent His son to die for humanity

He did not segregate when He honored feminity by sending the Messiah through a woman, He did not segregate when He set the standard for being put right with Him, He did not segregate in allowing both men and women access to Heaven, neither did He segregate in allowing both men and women into His Kingdom of light

If a woman can become a vessel/temple for the Holy Spirit what makes you feel that there will be an embargo on the manifestation of the gifts which the presence of the Spirit of God brings with Him

Stop quoting biblical saints out of context. Paul was referring to a particular people and for a particular purpose. There were complaints from certain quotas regarding the behavior of some women in the church and he settled it the best way he could at that time.

Women during the time of Jesus were active in financing His ministry and were allowed to accompany Him as missionaries. If you understand the Jewish culture you will know that this was new to them, their women were highly marginalized in almost everything so for Jesus to include them as part of His ministry it showed that He was in favor of liberating women from harmful cultures and traditions

You cannot compare the liberty whic Christian women enjoy to that of any other religion

U say Paul was referring to a particular people but I find this same principle in 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
The above quoted text was not directed at any church, it was directed at Timothy. And it was obvious that Paul, under the influence of the holy spirit considered women inferior... The reasons were clearly stated in verse 13&14, i.e. because Adam was created first and Adam was not the one deceived.
Or can u show that this was referring to a group of people?? Paul even emphasized that she MUST be quiet

felixomor:
Hahaha.
If it applies to me,
Then why is it giving u headache?

I laugh

I don't like two-faced people who speak with both sides of their mouth. A.K.A nairaland Christians, so I like pointing out their hypocrisy...

felixomor:
Do u believe the bible was written for your own correction?

I don't... But u do... That's why am asking u...
The bible is written for your instruction or correction meaning the rule that women should not be heard in church applies to you

felixomor:
The context is what was happening in that particular church.
Meanwhile u just lied that u "read it".
But i wont drag u, because lying is ok for some.

So we can just assume that the book of Corinthians is for the Corinthians, Romans for the Romans e.t.c...
I thought a bible verse says all scriptures are written for our teaching and correction??

Sleekydee:
bros that is not my concern, y don't men give birth, we Christians believes God directs all the affairs of men, I can only direct my own family affairs, as long as my directions isn't endangering any1. I dnt kno why God doesn't want a woman to preach, but then that's not for me to worry abt.

Hmmm, classic Christian reply... U believe a god that his principles are arbitrary and anachronistic and u justify it by saying he's god... That's the same thing boko haram terrorist do.
But when u argue with Muslims u can easily see that their Quran contains unjustifiable principles... That's double standards.
A god that can direct that a woman who is raped should be sold to her rapist for life is just terrible...

anas09 pidgin2 what do ya think

DoctorAlien:
Just leave me out of your madness okay? I have better things to discuss with intellectually sound people.

... U seem unnecessarily agitated... Does it have something to do with the Catholic Church?

dalaman:
I want you to tell me.

That one wont tell u anything... He will just keep mentioning context like a programmed robot

DoctorAlien:
I thought you people swore never to discuss with Christians again?

Just mention only your cohorts and rejoice on the thread.

I really don't get what you're talking about... But if this is your way of avoiding the thread, then Nice one!

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felixomor:
So, dont ask questions that are based on a premise u dont believe...

I'm sorry but that's a very 5tupid rule... I want to criticize your beliefs, is it my own beliefs I will use as premise??..
. I already told u, u can go, if u had left, u wouldn't have made this kind of pathetic comment

Sleekydee:
how is that a problem? God says a woman shouldn't preach in church, that's not a bad instruction, after all it is He(God) u want to talk abt, if he says don't, if u love Him genuinely, you must obey.

So, what's wrong with women or the female gender that they don't deserve to preach in church? Are they inferior to men or are they less holy?

felixomor:
Oh so "leadership" is now ur destination?
As usual.
The car is about to shift argument gear...

Shalom

U never cease to disappoint. Immediately u are cornered or outwitted, u start saying shalom, cheers. In other words, "I can't handle this argument, I want to cower out.".
Don't worry, u can go. I believe DoctorAlien and others will do a better job... When it's time to troll, I will mention u

felixomor:
Do u believe Jesus is God?

Of course not... Am just repeating the claims of the bible that u believe ....

felixomor:
I keep telling u.
If u dont read the whole bible, dont ask questions
It makes u look like a fool.

In the era of Paul, even Philip had 3 daughters who prophesied in the church.
Aquinas and Priscilla were active in church...
There were many women who worked in early church
Timothy's mother and grandmother worked in church etc

If u keep quoting Paul's letters out of context or any other part of the bible,

You will keep looking like a fool...

Yh, context... Were any of the women u mentioned church leaders?? And please show me how I quoted Paul out of context..

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Sleekydee:
it amazes me how pple don't seem to understand the monumental difference BTW Law and Grace.

in the old testament everything there was done by Law, it not exactly God's will, but a "Permissive will of God"(its not the original plan).

The original plan was flawed wen Adam fell, but den its all part of God's plan.

God in his infinite mercy had to re-establish a more perfect plan, giving up His Son, for the remission of sins, old things and ways pass away.

ofcus God doesn't change, but its the message of Grace that's been spread.

show me one place in the new testament you find such rules

Women should be seen not heard:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34
So god condones rape under the law, and it's okay right? No wonder Muslims call the Christian god a rapist

felixomor:
Church is not a Parliament.

Next

My god, what a response ... U could have taken more time to think of a more sensible response...
So church is not a parliament, therefore women are not allowed to speak only men??
Richirich 713 KingEbukasblog do u agree with this idea

felixomor:
Is it not funny that anytime these nairaland keyboard atheists want to criticize Christians, they never find anything to bring from what Jesus Christ taught people to do?

Mscheww...
SMH

Is Jesus not God?? That means he was the one that also said a raped woman should be sold to her rapist. Or was it not the same god u serve?? God doesn't change right??

felixomor:
Is it not funny that anytime these nairaland keyboard atheists want to criticize Christians, they never find anything to bring from what Jesus Christ taught people to do?

Mscheww...
SMH

Women should be seen not heard:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34
U were saying??

A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy:
A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8