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Kaycee7:
A. I'm not getting angry.
B. My beliefs are not being exposed as crap, rather you are painting them as crap.
C. Is it right to hang drug dealers?

KingEbukasBlog:
You don't get the gist : he presupposed that women were demeaned when there is no evidence for that . Kaycee7 explains perfectly why those laws concerning women existed . Those laws didn't demean them , they protected them because of how totally different ancient societies saw women .

There was no demeaning in the first place .

Kaycee7:
I do believe I said exercise your intelligence. We don't stone non-virgins today. I was just trying to help you understand the times those punishments were being meted out. Your post is exactly why KingEbukasBlog never answers atheists questions directly. You latch onto a mindset or opinion and close your mind to discussion. Yet you claim to be open-minded.

Kaycee7:
How do you know the Holy Spirit interpreted the verse that said "God is good " to me as God is good?

Kaycee7:
We never assume. We ponder and pray on every verse of the Bible. Every verse can be interpreted in a diverse number of ways which is why we pray to the Holy Spirit to help us understand. If we assume God is good or great as literal, then we have to assume God is jealous as literal.

Kaycee7:
You keep writing "sell" to paint a more heinous picture.
God is not limited. Man is.
You're flexing the 21st century so you probably cannot fathom the torture of bearing the stigma of a rape victim in those times.
Exercise your intelligence, my friend. In those days, it was a stipulated and known law that any woman discovered to be a non-virgin would be stoned to death. Every girl knew. It is as right as Singapore executing drug smugglers

OLAADEGBU:
Why then did you quote scriptures that you believe is fiction? Do you believe 'the Christian God' truly exists?

Kaycee7:
If you were a Christian, you would know the Bible, especially the New Testament, is not read literally. Which is why before you read, you ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. It is not surprising that atheists can use the Bible against Christians. Even the devil uses the Bible to tempt.
The Bible is the Bible. It is not a novel, an archaeological article, constitutional text, etc.
It is the Bible.

Kaycee7:
The Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament represent a period of black-and-white, no grey areas, absolutes.
Women really were the weaker sex then. And in the setting of those times, those laws protected them as best as they could at the time.
No one was going to marry a rape victim in those days. (Even to this day, they are still stigmatized). So, the sentence of marrying the victim to the perpetrator actually helped the victim.
Now you might say, "she despised her husband " or something else. But unions of love were rare in those days. Men proposed to fathers and daughters were given away without asking for their consent. So the rape victim married to her rapist wasn't much worse off than the average bride. At the very least, it secured her honor and dignity.
Now, due to Christ's ministry of love, the sanctity of our body and the dignity of the woman, we don't marry the woman to her rapist.

Women, in the days of the Old Testament, were virtuous (Isrealite women at least). Prostitution was uncommon if not absent. So a woman to meet her husband not a virgin was considered heinous. If she'd been raped, she would have been married to her rapist. A non-virgin was considered utterly immoral and dishonorable. And while today, it may seem severe. In the times of the OT, it was justified.

OLAADEGBU:
You have not answered my question. Do you believe the scriptures you quoted actually happened?

Omudia11:
Wilgrea7

I stopped reading when you said the trinity is wrong. Really nigga? Stop parading yourself as a christian if you believe the trinity is wrong.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe the ones you quoted in the OP are true?

DoctorAlien:
What is evil about some kids starving to death in Africa?

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe what is written in the Bible is true or fiction?

NinjaX:
So much bullshit_ in one book.

niyihawking:
i noticed that most religionist do not understand the reason why atheist, agnostics and others have to question their religion, and demand them to proof the authenticity of their beliefs

You see, religion in this present day is causing:

terrorism
bigotry
racism
war
depletion in reasoning power, and others.

it is not moving us forward in this age of reason and technological advancement

crime on the increase
killings here and there(worst is that, its justified by some beliefs)

I for one believe that the argument will help solve some problems


all religionist need do is just show(with proof) us that their religion is the most unique, and that their god is the one true god.


but sadly, most of them go on the defensive when their religion is been questioned.

just address the op(with convincing evidences and intellectual analysis that will be hard to refute)




I'm not even an atheist but I ain't a religionist either(I know KingEbukasBlog is coming for my head)

just prove

KingEbukasBlog:
What principles ?

Demean : cause a severe loss in the dignity of and respect for (someone or something).

Leaders, judges , deliverers , prophets were celebrated positions in Ancient Judaism .

And I listed women who were celebrated and respected for the actions and positions , so this disproves whatever you think are trying to prove.

Then I asked : in modern societies how many female leaders do they have ?

In Communist governments where atheism ruled , was there even 1 female leader ? Or women in position of authority ?

So what is your point?

KingEbukasBlog:
If women are demeaned then there wouldn't be women in the aforementioned positions of authority .

Simple

I think I've said enough

Bye Bye

KingEbukasBlog:
You guys are funny

You are the one cherrypicking because you are making a conclusion while suppressing evidences felixomor and I have presented here that contradict your position

Receive sense !

Receive it !

KingEbukasBlog:
If you claim that women were demeaned and marginalized , then why were there powerful queens , prophetesses , a female judge , deliverers and celebrated women ?

Please answer this question

Maybe you should understand the context before you scream cherrypicking because by your reasoning I can accuse him of cherrypicking too

Use sense !

hopefulLandlord:
this is a fallacy


Cherry picking (suppressed evidence, incomplete evidence) – act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

anyways the OP is clear enough

KingEbukasBlog:
You have stopped making sense .

The Bible records 48 male prophets and 7 prophetesses . There were powerful queens and one female judge . There were female deliverers too.

And Ruth was celebrated as a Judaism convert .

If women were indeed demeaned , they won't have attained these heights .

Even in modern society , how many female leaders do you see ? But we've seen a reasonable number of women at the top echelons in the Jewish society

These have disproven your claim that women were demeaned .

End of story

Read my post again hopefully you'll understand .

KingEbukasBlog:
Women were heroes in the bible , there was Esther whose wisdom and decision as a queen saved Israel , there was Ruth . There was even a female judge that ruled over Israel- Deborah - and she was also a prophetess .

Jezebel who was also a powerful queen in the bible .

There were others prophetesses like Huldah and Miriam

These are counterexamples that disprove your assertion : Women were demeaned in the bible .

If these women were demeaned they won't reach these heights as powerful rulers , deliverers , prophetesses and judges and their actions won't be prominent : they were recorded in the history books .

KingEbukasBlog:
You have to show me the basis for your thread , what's the point of your thread if there is no basis .

KingEbukasBlog:
You are babbling here my friend . This does not address my post friend .



Then you agree that objective morals and duties exist , right ?

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not make any sense .

Why is it wrong to kill someone for an unjustifiable reason ?

An addition to this question : by what standard is a reason for an action deemed justifiable or unjustifiable?

KingEbukasBlog:
Why is wrong to kill people for an unjustifiable reason ?

KingEbukasBlog:
As an atheist , why is this wrong ?

felixomor:
Next....

Do u have any other point?

felixomor:
I will say it again,
Go and read it.