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Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 12:19pm On Jan 04, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Thousands of Muslims are becoming Christians just as God is opening the eyes of atheists. The moment you remove the blinders from your eyes you will certainly see the light. smiley
What about the Christians becoming Muslims... Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, u know
Christianity EtcRe: What Christians Say When They Are Losing Arguments (For Atheists) by randomperson: 12:08pm On Jan 04, 2017
Richirich713:
Nope, dawkins excuse was lame.




He prefers to debate the resurrection because the foundation of his faith is the resurrection, to him that's the decider.




grin if he's such a great debator, he should debate craig, not run away.




grin I literally found something:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlTsWFYBIM



The arguments craig use guy, it's not Christian arguments - its theistic arguments for the existence of God. Christians are not the only theists in the world. grin
But he shouldn't just debate for theism, he should debate for Christianity since it's the only way... Or maybe the guy can't defend Christianity and he's shying away
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 12:02pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
At least I answered.

You answer mine now.
Your question is irrelevant... It only shows one half of what atheism is... If u ask me, do I believe God exists?? I'll say no, I don't believe he exists... That's atheism...
KingEbukasblog is around. Maybe he can help u equate belief that God does not exist with lack of a belief that he does
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:58am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Bros, read the title of this thread.

Its only a thief that fears True or False question.
U even answered the question at once.

Please tell him to answer.
Anybody that can use me to wipe as u claimed, should be able to take that question in 2 seconds.
abi no be so?
U are asking questions that are irrelevant in themselves... I said atheism is either a belief or a lack of belief, u tried and failed to logically refute that... So u asking me does God exists is irrelevant since that question does not encompass atheism...
Christianity EtcRe: What Christians Say When They Are Losing Arguments (For Atheists) by randomperson: 11:56am On Jan 04, 2017
Richirich713:
Watch the full debate, don't watch clips made by muslims with titles saying somebody got "destroyed".
But he should watch clips made by Christians with titles saying somebody got destroyed...
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:53am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
True


Now do like me:
Answer mine

God does not exist
True or False
?


I have been waiting since 1949
Wrong answer... Unless u want to equate them, using logic of course...
Your question doesn't encompass atheism... My question to you shows why. But if u want to equate them, be my guest
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:46am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
God does not Exist
True or False?


grin
God does not exist = I don't believe God exist
True or false grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:45am On Jan 04, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
The difference is that those who believe in the existence of aliens would spend their waking moments talking about it while those who don't wouldn't. cool
Actually, not true.. If everybody around u believe in aliens, u would argue with them. In fact, u argue with Muslims but you believe their religion is false.. So why are being hypocritical... Is hypocrisy now one of the fruits of the spirit??
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:39am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Ad hominem as usual grin

Hehehehehe......u still want to save some face by answering the question?

Should I give u one more chance?
grin
Stop disgracing yourself boy.... U are the same person who said "OR" is used for equating statements...
U also said I exchanged AND for OR in the definition but the one u brought also has OR....
I mean what kind of dumbas* brings a definition that is contradictory to the point he's trying to prove...
U have been doing this for some time, probably before I started but u are not getting better at this...
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:25am On Jan 04, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
If so, why do most 'atheists' on this forum open threads and talk about what they do not believe exists?
U know some people believe in Aliens... So the fact that there are others who don't means aliens exist??
U must be the second coming of felixomor grin
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:23am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Somebody just answered instantly, a question u dodged 5 times.
Please sit down and learn cool
Learn from you?? Learn what exactly... The art of embarrassing oneself? I think I will pass....
BTW, I think you are getting intellectually drowned in the intensity of the logic around here... Maybe u should call KingEbukasblog to help u out... He speaks a lot of falsehood but at least he does it with class... What you're doing here is just sad...
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:19am On Jan 04, 2017
Pastafarian:
Imagine a world in which everywhere you turned, a belief in a literal Santa Claus was staring back at you. national Pledge “So help me santa” Imagine if when you went to a courtroom to testify, you had to put your hand on a copy of the book, “‘Twas the Night Before Christmas,” and say “So help me Santa” at the end of your oath. Imagine that town meetings all across the country started with the singing of the song “Here Comes Santa Claus” or “Santa Claus is Coming to Town.”

Imagine that everyone you know insists that you go to services at least once a week during which you write letters to Santa, and if you don’t, they tell you there’s something wrong with you. Imagine if the first thing that anyone asks you in a social setting is not about what you do for a living or some other question, but, “What have you written to Santa about lately?”

Imagine if you couldn’t go to a gym, or a coffee shop, without Christmas music being played in the background year ’round. Imagine if you couldn’t get your hair done, or go shopping, or go to a doctor’s office without having Christmas music playing, whether it’s Christmas time or not. Imagine if you tried to complain about it, or suggest that maybe some other music should be played, and people told you that you’re a terrible person with no morals for saying such a thing.

Imagine if friends and family shunned you because you had the audacity to say that Santa Claus isn’t real, that he doesn’t bring presents to children around the world at Christmas, and that to believe so is silly with no evidence to support that belief. Imagine parents of students at the school in which you are a faculty member saying that the fact you don’t believe in Santa frightens them, and that they don’t want their kids in your class.

Imagine everyone around you telling you that if you don’t believe in Santa Claus, you will spend all of eternity being punished by being submerged under the ice at the north pole, and poked by Santa’s elves with sticks.

Imagine everyone telling you to just shut up about the fact that you don’t believe in Santa, and to just go along with all of the nonsense, because to everyone else, Santa Claus is absolutely, positively real, and you can’t tell them anything different, and since the majority of society believes in Santa, you must follow what they do.

If you think this all sounds ridiculous or farfetched, this is exactly what it’s like living in Nigeria for people who aren’t theists. This is why we keep engaging in discussions about God. It’s because this idea—which other people seem to think isn’t any of our business—is all up in our business every day of our lives. That makes it our business.
Humour and reason all in one comment... Thumbs up!
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:17am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Twelve or a dozen.
Its disgusting u r even still arguing in the face of the root greek word.
It shows that in ur bat world, there are no mutually exclusives.
U have seen the foolishness, and u r trying to escape.

3 simple line questions scared u to death.
Why will any sane person run from single line true or false questions?
It shows u are lying.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself... Is it a personal hobby of yours?? Even the definition u quoted distinguishes between belief that there's no god and rejection or lack of belief that there's god...
How can any person in his right senses be contesting the accuracy of a dictionary, not with any academic authority but his own opinion....
When KingEbukasblog does it, we understand it's dishonesty but yours just feels like incapability to grasp logic... And I truly feel sorry for you
Christianity EtcRe: Is There A God ? by randomperson: 10:51am On Jan 04, 2017
Op... U just need to ask your self this... Where can u feel god? If there was a god, people who believe in him would lead better lives than those who don't... But look around you, Christians fall sick like others, get broke like others, lose loved ones like others... Work on yourself and don't wait for an imaginary god to fix anything for you.... The people who waited centuries ago never got any answer
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 10:40am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Yes, lack of belief is disbelief
"Or" is used between statements that are equivalent to each other.

If a judge disbelieves you, you are guilty of crime.
We are dealing with mutually exclusive events.

This word is a greek word
U are either "a-theos" (without God)
OR "theos" (with God)

Stop being a bat, please
U are not making any sense... Or is used between statement that are alternative not equivalent. And a judge doesn't convict on disbelief, he convicts when the prosecution has proven his case beyond reasonable doubt.
U have failed to equate "THERE IS NO GOD" to "I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS GOD".... Even the dictionary u quoted make a distinction but u don't deal with facts only beliefs so...
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 9:22am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Oga,
Here is atheism from Oxford dictionary copied verbatim;

===================
Definition of atheism in English:

atheism
NOUN

[mass noun] Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Origin
Late 16th century: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos, from a- without + theos god.

Pronunciation:
atheism/ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/

==================={{{{

U cant be more correct than the language owners
I even copied the whole page for u.

If u cant answer that simple one line question

God does not exist?
True/False

U are not a-theist
I thought u said I exchanged "and" for "or"... So u have changed your tune?...
Well, at least u can see it: OR lack of belief in the existence of God... So atheism can be either right?? Or there's still no distinction
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:59am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Dictionary didnt make any distinction.
A-theism
A-necephalic
A-cyanotic etc

English has a pattern, u r either Theist or A-theist
Or at best, stay in the middle undecided as agnost

U cant change it overnight

And u r only compounding ur Messi ronaldo analogy because those 2 simple questions u ran away from,
Exposed u.
Dictionary didn't make any distinction?? Do u need me to paste the definitions for you again?? This is another dictionary now:
noun (plural atheisms)
(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities).
(loosely) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities)
Tell me there is no distinction here
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:45am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Dictionary didnt make any distinction.
A-theism
A-necephalic
A-cyanotic etc

English has a pattern, u r either Theist or A-theist
Or at best, stay in the middle undecided as agnost

U cant change it overnight

And u r only compounding ur Messi ronaldo analogy because those 2 simple questions u ran away from,
Exposed u.
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:27am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Rejection of belief in God will follow "God does not exist"
Not the other way round everytime.

Becos u reject religion or belief doesnt make u the atheist, If not there will be no Deists.

Its like saying u r a student because u went to a school building.


We know students go to school buildings but thats not what makes them students.




Other professionals like cleaners and janitors also go to the school building. They are not students

In this case u r claiming to be atheist because u do one of the things an atheist does. Sorry

KingEbukasblog has sounded this into your skull many times but u wont listen.
Neither u nor KingEbukasblog know what atheism is. If belief that God doesn't exist is the same thing as rejection of belief that God exists, then why does the dictionary make that distinction... I already explained painstakingly with the Messi and Ronaldo analogy, u didn't address that but just kept repeating the same assertion without proof...
This is a thread about logic but u people fail to grasp simple logic
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:08am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Hahahaha
Somebody just renounced.

No need, wasting time here bro.
Do something better.
U r not an atheist.
grin Nice try... Because ur definition of atheism is more valid than what the dictionary defines, right?? Or u think by saying am not an atheist, that makes me not an atheist... It's actually pathetic that u couldn't point to one evidence that shows that atheism doesn't include mere rejection of a belief... Well, I guess proof and evidence are alien notions to someone who believes in fairy tales wink
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:00am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Ok answer this one.

God does not exist?
True or False

If u run from this one,
(No comments)
No answer... But that doesn't make me any less an atheist...
If u asked this do u believe god exists. The answer will be false because I don't believe god exists
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 7:54am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Bros answer those questions.
I beg u.
Prove ur dictionary correct.
I beg u.

A simple one line question should be answerable anytime, anyday.

Richard dawkins says "God does not exist"
There is nothing like 50℅ existence.
You either exist or u dont.

Answer those questions.
Proove u r not a thief.
No innocent person should be afraid of a one line question.
U are sounding desperate... Richard Dawkins says God does not exist? Then he's an atheist. I say I don't believe that God exists. i.e rejection of a belief.. I am an atheist too, ... That's why those two notions of atheism are contained in the dictionary definition of atheism...
Christianity EtcRe: What Christians Say When They Are Losing Arguments (For Atheists) by randomperson: 7:46am On Jan 04, 2017
Richirich713:
Watch William Lane Craig debates with atheists, it's hilarious grin atheists always gets smashed and humiliated by the guy, even popular atheists blogs admit this : http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=392
I haven't really watched any theist vs atheist debates but when I was a Christian I watched some Christians vs Muslim debates and there was this particular Islamic cleric who always smashed the Christians including the pastors.... So...
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 7:38am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
All these statements are ORS
They exist alone
They are not "ands"
Choosing one means u cant choose the other. Hence "Ors"

Stop trying to make ur own dictionary.
U r only deceiving urself.
Atheism is foolishness.

Its very easy to catch a thief.
When people cant answer simple one line questions.
And thats what u have done.
grin grin ...I can seriously feel you struggling.... Just making bare assertions without anything to back them up..
U claimed I was replacing 'and' with 'or'. I brought simple dictionary definitions that completely distinguished and separated the different meanings or notions of atheism. It even had more 4 different meanings and you are still crying here...
Lemme ask u, if a word has multiple definitions in the dictionary, are those definitions as alternative (or) or are they cumulative (and).
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 7:26am On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
You just admitted the existence of God(s)




You didn't show why the premise is faulty .



This is just the Euthyphro dilemma in disguise and it is a false dilemma because God's own nature or character defines with is good .
- No I didn't admit the existence of God. U seem to assume that God is always equal to creator of the universe. But that's a presumption without any basis in either science or philosophy. If I create a robot today which can do basically all things a human can do, does that make me God? No, that simply makes me a creator. If you are claiming the being that created the universe is god, then u have to show the logical or scientific basis for equating creator with god. Because, if we are simply assuming, I can as well assume that we were created by a super intelligent alien who is not god...

- The premises are unproven. That's why I have the example of all humans are stupid. It is not proven that all humans are stupid so drawing a conclusion from that premise is dubious and lazy. So, if you're laying a premise that states god exists out of time, or that God is necessary, u have to Prove the veracity of those premises...

- it's not a false dilemma. I studies ethics in 100level and under natural law theory, that question was the major criticism of that theory... U say god's own nature defines what is good. Therefore, if it is in God's nature not to kill, killing is wrong. But the question is why it's in God's nature not to kill. Is it because killing is bad?? That will mean god is not the highest reason. If killing is bad simply because god prohibits it, then god makes decisions without reason...

Your attempt to claim atheism is illogical is pathetic... It's just dead on arrival and I expected a better job huh
Christianity EtcRe: Slaves Who Love Their Chains by randomperson: 1:33am On Jan 04, 2017
So lemme get this straight... Freedom to have consensual sex with who u want is slavery but having to pay 10% of your earnings to your church is freedom??
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 1:30am On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Even in the absence of religious argument.

Somebody is even subtly changing "OR" (used for equivalent synonymous items) in a definition to "AND" just in order to create an escape route.

Hmmmmm.
It seems u don't have access to a dictionary...
noun (plural atheisms)
(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities).
(loosely) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities).
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 1:28am On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
Well there are top 5 Arguments I think

1.Cosmological Argument

2. Moral Argument

3. Teleological Argument

4. Ontological argument

5. Leibeinz Contingency Argument

No atheist have been able to refute these arguments . These make theism very logical .
Really, with my limited knowledge of logic and philosophy, I can refute the first two arguments off the top of my head..
1. The cosmological arguments basically says that everything has a cause, the universe was caused by god, and god is the uncaused cause. And there are modified versions that include a god who doesn't have beginning in time and a god that's necessary.
Well, these premises are not consistent with only theism. They will also support multiple creators or perhaps a group of super intelligent aliens. Or a single story intelligent alien. The premises only lead to the conclusion that the earth was created and does nothing to show that the creator is god.
Again, the premises are in themselves faulty... So, while the argument is valid, it is not sound because the premises are unreliable. For example, if I say "A- All boys are humans; B- All humans are stupid. Conclusion- All boys are stupid." The argument is valid but unsound because the second premise is faulty... So when, u draw your conclusions from unproven premises like: God is necessary or god doesn't have a beginning in time, you are using faulty premises as the basis of your argument.

As regards the moral argument, will just ask this:
"Is killing wrong because God condemned it or did god condemn it because it is wrong."
If killing is wrong because God condemns it, then god acts without reason. If God condemns it because it is wrong then there is a higher reason than god
By the way, none of those arguments give a logical reason why there MUST be a god... not to talk of a god in the mold of the one believed by Christians
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 12:44am On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
You can't ask for proof for the existence of God if you are an atheist . Atheism is all about the non existence of God . Theists say there is God , atheists say there is no God
It doesn't matter how many times u say it... It won't change the fact that atheism is either a belief or a rejection of a belief... Both the dictionary and philosophers attest to this fact... U don't like it but it's still the fact
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:40pm On Jan 03, 2017
felixomor:
Bros, please answer those questions.
"God exists"
"God does not exist"
Are opposite statements to each other.

Dont veer into agnostics please.

Answer those questions.
I beg you
Theism.. God exists
Atheism- god doesn't exist or I don't believe God exists
Get a dictionary or even a part one philosophy student... That u don't want to accept this fact doesn't affect its veracity
Christianity EtcRe: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 11:34pm On Jan 03, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
Lol . Exactly . The agnostics are the ones that ask for proof not the atheists . Maybe he is agnostic
Both atheists and agnostics ask for proof... The only reason there are atheists in the first place is because there is no proof. For example, if I say the world is flat, it can be shown that the world is flat beyond reasonable doubt, but when u say there is god...

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