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KingEbukasBlog:
So what kind of evidence are you expecting that proves the existence of God .

Empirical evidence or a logical reasons why there must be a God...

felixomor:
U r d one raping logic here.

Ok answer these 2 questions in true or false.
And if ur answers are different,
It shows your logic is correct

If your answers are identical, U r wrong obviously.

Question 1:

Random believes Messi is not better than Ronaldo?
True/FALSE

Question 2:
Random doesnt believe Messi is better than Ronaldo?
True/false

Is this a mistake?? U are comparing two opposite statements?? I don't believe u don't understand this....
Lemme explain again
1. I believe Messi is better than Ronaldo... This is a claim that Messi is better than Ronaldo-
2. I believe Ronaldo is better than Messi... Again a claim that Ronaldo is better than Messi.
3. I don't believe Ronaldo is better than Messi... Now there are different possibilities in this statement..
i. Messi is better than Ronaldo
ii. Ronaldo is equal to Messi
iii. Am not persuaded that Ronaldo is better than Messi, therefore I don't believe he is... These three bolded positions are entirely consistent with the no.3 statements... Can u show otherwise??

HCpaul:

When did Eve started questioning the sapient?? Is it before eating the fruit or After eating it??

When also did Adam started questioning Eve?? Before or After??

Please I need a sincere answer cuz am actually driving at something.

Questioning the serpent?? I don't get u but I know that eating the fruit was evil. So how was she able to arrive at that decision without the knowledge of good and evil

felixomor:
We are all talking within the context of your belief.

Everybody's claim is is his belief.
Theist: I believe there is God
Atheist: I believe there is no God

U only putting "i believe"/ "i dont believe" before sentence in this discussion is tautology.

It's not tautology and I already showed u... You are only repeating arguments because you don't know where to go from there...
I believe Messi is better than Ronaldo is different from I don't believe Ronaldo is better than Messi.... So when a theist says I believe there is god, I simply say I DON'T BELIEVE there is god...
If u or any of your friends can equate both these statements to mean the same thing, logically, then no problem

advocate666:
Yes, he was in the garden telling adam and eve not to put on clothes.

This guy is brutal

HCpaul:
[i]Hmm.....

I think it's because God works in wondrous ways.

And he do as he pleases him.

In reality, there wasn't a time when man was without the knowledge of good and bad.

And if you think that I am wrong, why was Eve questioning Satan when she was convinced to eat the fruit?

Or have you try giving baby's biscuit and he/she starts questioning you that the biscuit has been poisoned??

If he/she does that, then it obviously vindicates that the baby is already aware of the knowledge behind good and bad.

Beside that, why should a law be given to two folks that doesn't even know the difference between good and bad?? What if they taught that the law was not OK enough for them and as a result declined it? At least, they are ignorant of the knowledge behind it as they didn't know the difference between the notion on which their decision/choice rest upon (whether good or bad).

Hence, their decisions toggles and even when God gave them the law, it was mere an illusion to them.


We morally evolved into existence and life forms, and the conscience of the notion behind ethical conducts has been in our trait right from our embryonic stage.

The law given in the garden of eden is mere an illusion.
[/I]

So god was lying when he said the tree would give knowledge of good and evil

felixomor:
Stop twisting definitions to fit your life.

Using ur example, ur 2nd statement is also a claim on its own.
"I dont believe Messi is better than Ronaldo"

Also means

"Ronaldo is not inferior to Messi"
Its a claim too.

Logic is obviously not your strong suit... I don't think anything is...
Are u equating "Ronaldo is not inferior to Messi" to "I don't believe Ronaldo is inferior to Messi"... Are they exactly the same statement??

Guys... It's just one of the many illogical things about bible stories... U shouldn't be surprised, all fairy tales have such

Atheism is not just the belief that there's no god... It's also the rejection of the belief that there's god, both the dictionary meanings and the strictly philosophical definitions reveal this... And they don't mean the same thing....
Believing that God does not exist is stating categorically that God does not exist, but rejection of a belief simply states that until there is ample proof or evidence of the existence of God, u are not going to believe...
For example, if I say, " I believe Ronaldo is better than Messi"... Is different from saying "I don't believe Messi is better than Ronaldo".... The first statement is a claim in itself while the second is a stance of indecision or inconclusiveness until you are persuaded otherwise...

felixomor:
I know u have received wisdom from that proverb,
Cheers.

BTW, why didn't u answer my question about that potter's field contradiction... Lemme guess, u don't have time for atheists??

felixomor:
I know u have received wisdom from that proverb,
Cheers.

Nice try... The same guy who was given wisdom by god but didn't know that he shouldn't over-tax his people... Maybe the wisdom god gives is Aba-made. That will definitely explain why your comments are that silly

hopefulLandlord:
Am I the only one that noticed the last Christian that joined this conversation suffers from a severe and untreatable case of delusion of grandeur?

he seems not to pass up any opportunity to say how intelligent he is, how rich he is, how no serious person shouldn't take Nairaland religious debates seriously but debates from page 0-12+ pages almost every thread

all he's done on this thread so far is give nonexistent victory to his goons

I don't think anyone is surprised...
This is someone who quotes himself and replies with another moniker on the same thread...

Am like "God commanded the killing of the amalekites including children"
The Christian is like "U have to understand the context"

felixomor:
If u dont have meaningful contribution, u must not comment.

Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

U seem pained... Is that because reasonable people are not buying your lies about the bible being consistent??... And u are quoting from a book where a man packed all land animals into a boat- millions of species of both carnivores and herbivores... The delusion is strong in you...
BTW, maybe u can show how consistent these are too... Judas bought the Potter's field, the chief priests bought the Potter's field... Of course, u can just pretend u are to busy or vexed to answer, I won't mind

AgentOfAllah:
When a story mentions the names of two women, and shortly after, says "the women" nobody is in any doubt as to the identity of "the women" being referred to.

So, by all means, fabricate and obfuscate all you want, but Matthew is there for the discerning mind to read! Fabricate, obfuscate, then accuse others of being dishonest.

Dude... It's called being a Christian

jimmyjenseng:
Lol. There's a sharp contrast between both colours and they are easily noticeable by the human eyes, ergo, your definition from wikipedia, I suppose, makes it inconclusive.

The Evangelist were undecided about the true colour but agreed that the robe had an element of red?! Were they writing on their own accord?

The writers and by extension, the holy spirit had color blindness... So it's not their fault

Ranchhoddas:
This is actually very silly. You are yet to see AgentOfAllah's queries to a logical conclusion and you are declaring victory. Quite pathetic.

It's called desperation... For example, last election u saw PDP saying confidently that they would win Lagos State, they don't say it because it's true, they say it because it feels good...

plaetton:
My dear friend,
You ought to know that in Nigeria, religious matters and religious parasites enjoy official immunity from accountability.
Otherwise, Nigeria would not be the giant lunacy bin that it currently is.

I.mean, just under month ago, 200 innocent people had their skulls crushed by a falling Church building.
Did you see any Federal response ?
Any legislative response ?
Any commission of inquiry ?
Any arrests and prosecution ?
Any relief or compensation for the survivors and families of the dead ?

The answers to all of the above is a big fat NO.

Just imagine the sheer amount of money Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya or Odukoya, the presiding clown at MFM, Oyaks , Okotie and all the millions of lesser clowns scattered all over the country Rob the Nigerian population every single week.
Just put your mind on the staggering figures.

Now, the most painful is that these parasites give absolutely Nothing back to the society, except for more empty, more fraudulent BULLSHYTES and schemes.

U don't need to go that far... The amount that individual local parishes make on a weekly basis is crazy... That's why u see very fine church auditoriums in the midst of dilapidated houses

Omudia11:
Its a new year, I don't read thrash!

Of course it's trash to you... That's not surprising, u won't recognize reason or wisdom if it was poking u in the eye... U better go and educate yourself and stop ridiculing yourself and your god on public forums... How old are you, seriously? Coz, it's sad that u don't know the demographics of your country... Shame...

Omudia11:
Christians constitute the largest proportion of religious people in Nigeria so its safe to say the o.p was targeting Christians; Muslims also involved. And since I'm a christian, I have every right to speak for my religious group. If you have a problem with that, that's your headache.

U are an ignoramus... If u read anything apart from the bible, you would know that actually, Muslims constitute the largest proportion of religious people in Nigeria...
Despite that fact, u don't see any Muslim crying foul. I don't know if it's inferiority complex or a need for validation from other people but it's pathetic... U better get a life and learn more about your country and things around u instead of burying your head in fairy tales..

Omudia11:
Some of you are so jobless you just feel the need to bash religious people all the time. Shey atheists didn't make those searches too right?

Did Christians tell you they were perfect? Jesus Christ is the perfect and spotless one. Even God knows we are all imperfect beings and that is why grace abounds.

These Christians and their insecurities.... Did the Op mention Christians specifically... Or did he say it's only Christians that are involved... I don't even know who asked u for epistles now...

Converted into being an atheist?? Doesn't sound right

It's definitely not the sprit... What the hell does spirit even mean...

felixomor:
When a university graduate now equates "fall" to "jump".

U definitely know the devil is up to something.

Sincerely, may the Lord deliver u.
Cheers

So u are sure that in Greek or Hebrew, fall and jump are not synonymous?? .... Because I remember the other day when we were asking why God would allow a human being to be sacrificed to him, u and Ebuka said, where the bible says " AND" , it actually means "OR" ...
Isn't that double standard??

felixomor:
Of course, it already told me it hanged.
Only a fool will not know that decomposition will follow hanging.


Your vehicle is already set in motion as usual.
@ the bolded, moving to the next escape argument.
Sorry, safe journey.
At this point, I would refer you back to your google.

Copout!

HardMirror:
Hehehehe

I am sure he has been working on twisting the headlong clause

Another contradiction in the same story... One gospel says Judas bought the Potter's field, another said the chief priests bought the field...
And felixomor be like, "that's not a contradiction, maybe Judas paid half and the chief priests paid half. U have to understand the context and be guided by the holy spirit."
And am like, "just kill me aiidy!!"

felixomor:
Keep quiet.
U have brought foolishness to new year.

A rotten body can fall in any direction from a cliff.

The funniest thing is u even call ur elder silly, when its obvious your brain is not working properly here.

I laugh in tongues.... So your bible tells u the body was rotten before falling headlong... Or was it the holy spirit who gave you this special information...
BTW, how many of the bandits crucified with Jesus mocked him... Was it one or both of them

felixomor:
Someone in his right senses that quotes Matthew 21 with 71 verses in a debate.?

Maybe we need to redefine "senses".

Don't be silly... At least it's better than claiming someone fell headlong from a hanging position... Maybe he hanged by the feet

HardMirror:
Now you must think we all stuppid.

Here are the bible verses

Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.

So how do you fall headlong from a hanging position? Are you trying to rewrite the bible?

If a man was to commit suicide by jumping, do you know the proper way is to jump head first to ensure quick death? But here you are trying to twist things to suit ur nonsense fancies.

Again don't presume us fools here, I know ur church members wld applaud ur "explanations" to ease their confusion, but don't try selling ur bullcrap to us here.

I don't understand how any one in his right and proper mind can claim those two verses are not contradictory... And felixomor is saying unless one of the verses says "he never hanged", it's not a contradiction.... Well, the bible doesn't say he never drank poison. Does that mean it's not contradictory to the bible to say that he drank poison??

hopefulLandlord:
Hehehehehehehehe

So essentially, this style of hermeneutics Felixomor is trying to do ends up into "how can this hot mess be salvaged and made consonant with contemporary social norms and ethics rather than dissonant?".

It seems to me that a lot of progressive Christians are 1 good look in the mirror and the question 'why do I believe any of this stuff anyway?' away from leaving Christianity altogether

Actually.... I was once exactly like that. Very committed to Christ but mehn, u can't just close your eyes to the load of crap in that book called the bible...