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felixomor:
Jesus teaching is the supreme.

Oh Jesus' teaching is supreme? That means it is superior to that of his father??

Edenoscar:
yeah right! The same way a snake communicated with eve, and balaam talking to a donkey

Lols... It's more ridiculous than that. The donkey was not only capable of thinking like a human, it could see angels. Then the absurd Snake's is more bizarre. Did it independently decide to sabotage god's plan. Christians say the devil used the snake. If that's right, why punish the snake?

felixomor:
Eiya.
Jesus didnt teach us that.

But his father did right? And since he and his father are one.... I guess you can make the connection yourself

felixomor:
Drowning children sounds more like atheist mass murder act.

Jesus didnt teach that.

Well... A Christian actually drowned her children so you are wrong...
And speaking of mass murder, just view this link http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

felixomor:
It takes God to make such dreams .....
Thats the point.

Cheers

No.... It doesn't. Don't forget it was also the Christian dominated states that were fully in support of racial segregation. Even till today, white supremacists and racists are more commonly Christians than atheists...
And again, it doesn't take god to make such dreams. Unless, you are ready to admit that it takes god to make the dream of drowning your children in order for them to make heaven

felixomor:
Guess what,
Even MLK was a God addict.....


Lollllz

So was Andrea Yates. What's your point?

felixomor:
I have a dream......

Exactly... Now we have a black american president. Who would have thought??

felixomor:
Unfortunately, This change sounds like APC change.

Na only Nairaland we dey see am.
The churches are still overflowing with branches like Pure water.

Abeg call us when the atheist fake monikers reach hundred.

For now.
Shalom

Of course, no change is sudden. But it's a step in the right direction

jonbellion:
are you like a 100% athiest

No... Am not... But I totally reject the idea of God I grew up with

KingEbukasBlog:
Christians from day one are skeptical about Islam . Muslims are skeptical about Christianity . Deists are skeptical about Christianity , Islam and any other religion .


The comments you saw were most likely from Muslims and members of other churches .

You obviously don't know what religious skepticism is .

Actually the comments reflected the reasoning of atheists and agnostics... Muslims and Christians in other churches believe in life saving miracles but this comments reflected a rejection of the concept of miracles

KingEbukasBlog:
Mtcheew

Saying God does not exist , does not really change anything

Of course it doesn't. But saying he exists doesn't change anything either

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism has nothing to do with reason . Atheism has everything to do with blind faith

Yeah, it's blind faith to refuse to believe in something that has not been proven but it's reasonable to dictate your life by and commit your resources to concepts that have no proof... I hail your genius!

KingEbukasBlog:
So you are against religion not God ? That is good to know

I can't be against God since he doesn't exist but religion? Of course!

KingEbukasBlog:
For the five hundred and sixty eighth time , Religious skepticism is not atheism .

The Catholics/Deists/Muslims/Orthodox/Lutherans/Buddhists can see no difference between Pentecostal pastors and MMM guiders and call out pastors for owing jets .

The Christians , I mean anybody and even Muslims reject sharia and terrorism .

No one is rejecting Church weddings for court and traditional . A few people now choose those because they are less expensive especially during this recession period

It has nothing to with atheism .

Use your head for once bro



Instead we have seen atheists openly renounce atheism on Nairaland .

Let's assume for a moment that atheism and religious skepticism are mutually exclusive... It still doesn't help your cause that religion skepticism is increasing, so, either way,..

felixomor:
Gbam

Be doing gbam there, u hear... It won't stop the movement against religion

Pidgin2:
No sane person will give up religion for atheism only people who want to live a life without morals will do such, at the end of the day your souls will be lost to the devil

If insanity is living a life like Gates and Zuckerberg, then am all for insanity

Turns out you're right... The other day there was a thread about a winners member whose car didn't get burnt where others for burnt... The comments generally showed a shift away from blind faith and more reliance on reason

The concept of tithes and offering is very harmful... It entails constant and perpetual exchange of money without the necessary corresponding exchange of value... If Christian businessmen instead of paying tithes actually add that 10% as ploughed back profit, their business becomes bigger, offers more value and employs more workers...
It's a no brainer really...

It's simply a government guided by reason... The type Nigeria doesn't have

emerged01:
Psalm 14 vs 1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Like bill gates, zuckerberg and the rest of them?

Godgay:
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The USA is not the richest country and besides, there are a lot more irreligious people in the US than in Africa and yet, Africans are suffering. The richest countries are usually generally irreligious.
The point am making is this... No god, real or imagined is going to provide for you in spite of any promise to do so...

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dorry62:
Africa is underdeveloped not because of religion but because of our selfishness and wicked leaders and even sentiments.
Each time this topic comes up we see 'big big churches'.Is christianity the only religion in Africa?

Africa is underdeveloped because of among other things, religion. Big, big churches are a big, big problem. If the amount made and used by churches is applied in private sectors of the economy alone, Nigeria will be a better place. But no, we are busy building the biggest auditoriums, the most magnificent pulpits, and buying the latest musical instruments

DoctorAlien:
Can the writer of this article prove that the N20 or N50
which the "poor" people give as offering every week is the
reason why they are still poor? Can the writer of this article
show how offering takes away food from people? Can the writer of this article prove that GOD requires a
student to "pray" with all his time and neglect his studies?
Can the writer of this article prove that GOD forbids people
from taking medication when ill? Can the writer of this article
show us how praying for the ill is detrimental to his/her
recovery? Can the writer of this article prove that prayer has not healed any sick person? These are the questions for now.

The writer doesn't believe in god so he can't prove that did all these things but it's a notorious fact that belief in god has occasioned all these things.,. So again, ur attempt to derail is noticed but dismissed

Omudia11:
Discredit what exactly? The same balderash which has been overly recycled by the same person, and which has been repeatedly countered? No thanks, I'd rather not converse with unliberal people who blame Christianity and religion for everything including their own failures.

Case in point- Samsung has had a really bad year with all the exploding/burning phones and what have you... Some of these phones caused irreversible damages to their buyers but not even a soul blamed it on science... Why then do you choose to blame religion for the actions of one man [Buhari on the pilgrimage subsidy] which even religious people condemned??

I won't even respond further.

Now I see why you resort to ad-hominems. U are completely incapable of making cogent logical arguments. People, including the makers of Samsung admit and acknowledge that the products were faulty and they accepted blame. That's science for you, no blind faith that beclouds our sense of judgment and objectivity...
Also, while science has actually helped us and improved our lives, religion has only drawn us back and impeded our progress

DoctorAlien:
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... I know .. I can be thorough

DoctorAlien:
The issue of people giving their own money as offering out of their own volition is not an issue bothering Nigeria.

Go and be useful to yourself and Nigeria as a whole, and stop making noise on Nairaland about how people spend their own money.

Your ignorance, naivety or more aptly, your cluelessness is mind boggling. The issue of people giving their own money as offering is not an issue bothering Nigeria? U need a serious orientation to counteract the effects of decades of brainwashing on you..
The idea of an operative economy is that money is transferred in exchange for goods and services... When billions, perhaps trillions of naira are spent on building churches, that add nothing to the economy, there is a nominal deficit. If the business man that pays 100,000 as tithe instead inputs it into his business, he has more capital, increases production and capacity, employs more people and so on. He pays higher taxes too BTW...
A person made an analogy which I think is apt here. If every RCCG church was instead a factory or business enterprise, Nigeria will be a lot better. It's particularly sad that the same people that pay 10% of their incomes are always trying to evade taxes.
And am being useful to Nigeria by educating people like u on how religion is practically drawing us back.
BTW, u didn't address the tiny issue about Christians starving to death in spite of Gods promises to take care of them

Omudia11:
Another thrash! Go read the person's comment to me before calling him a parrot. I didn't attack the o.p. you shouldn't delve into issues that don't concern you. Or do you burn calories by jumping into conclusions??

The o.p is notorious for attacking religious people especially christians and this is one of such threads of his and that was what neccessitated my question.A look at his replies will says it all. The only Pharisee here is you.

The Op is notorious bla, bla, bla... Why not discredit him by showing that the issues he raised are not meritorious. Your resort to ad- hominems only serve to imply that you have nothing intellectual with which to use to refuse the Op

DoctorAlien:
Go and get the NASS to enact a law which will make churches pay tithes. Stop making noise here.

Stop lying. The Bible did not say "give tithe, it will be given unto you." When Jesus says "give, it shall be given unto you" He means we should be liberal in giving to the less privileged, for there is a reward.

It is the duty of the every Christian to pay tithes and offerings: they belong to GOD. 1/10 of man's income belongs to GOD: He owns it. That He promises to bless abundantly those who pay tithes is of His own benevolence. The blessing or not, 1/10 belongs to GOD.

We know that He blesses us far beyond what we can offer, anyway.

This is pathetic. So I shouldn't discuss issues pertaining to Nigeria on a Nigerian public forum?? Why? Because it affects your sentiments?
And when pastors want to cajole people into dropping their money, do they use the ''because of the love of God" line or the "give and it shall be given unto you" line?
And you know that he blesses you far beyond what you can offer? Tell that to Christians starving to death in Africa

DoctorAlien:
This is just like saying "Bill Gates" makes a lot of money but adds nothing to the economy of USA. Meanwhile, what do you want churches to add to the economy?

Stop lying. People pay offering because they are thankful to GOD.

Stop lying.

What kind of argument is this? Bill Gates pays millions in taxes. Churches can pay taxes too... And people pay tithes and offering because bible says give and it shall be given unto you and god also promised to open the flood gates of heaven ... U are not good at lying, stop trying

DoctorAlien:
Can the writer of this article prove that the N20 or N50 which the "poor" people give as offering every week is the reason why they are still poor? Can the writer of this article show how offering takes away food from people?

Can the writer of this article prove that GOD requires a student to "pray" with all his time and neglect his studies? Can the writer of this article prove that GOD forbids people from taking medication when ill? Can the writer of this article show us how praying for the ill is detrimental to his/her recovery? Can the writer of this article prove that prayer has not healed any sick person?

These are the questions for now.

No... These are not the questions. Churches make a lot of money but add virtually nothing to the economy. The people that pay offering pay, in part because of the promise of their god to provide for them. This is a problem in and of itself.... It's not a coincidence that the more religious countries and continents are the most backward ones