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The imperfect and terrible things about nature contradict the concept of an omnipotent and benevolent god... A good god would not create a worm that only feeds on humans'eyes

damogul:
I have a reason why i have chosen to ignore your comments. Keep it that way

I know... The reason is obvious, your demand for proof is less valid in the light of my comments, so...

damogul:
Is there any atheist who can bell the cat and provide us tangle empirically proven proof that God is non existent? That is what this thread is about. Its not about Red Herrings or Goal post shifting or Fallacies in all its forms.

Simply Proof.

How many times would u be told... U don't prove negative, u disprove positive and for you to disprove something, there must have been an initial attempt at proving that positive

felixomor:
I didnt post the video for u.

It doesn't matter... Except u are chickening out sha

@ Damogul ,.. Plss respond to my comment where I used the prosecution analogy

felixomor:
Ok,
Here is God performing a miracle after a prayer.

Watch the video in the thread
Enjoy.

https://www.nairaland.com/3520363/miraculous-video-power-prayer-name

This is not good enough and u know it... Why not tell him secret things about his life... Like his age, name of his gf, his ful name... The holy spirit can do that right? Am guessing you have the holy spirit

damogul:
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Did you say hide? Hide like you atheists are doing here n NL? I am no hypocrite. Jesus was not a hypocrite either. Do wrong and get bashed simple. I can love you tomorrow but in that moment you will get bashed.


My ministry is doing great as its been running for a few years now so its not a dream. God is not all about miracles as miracles are not life. His word is life.

If you so much desire miracles then submit YOURSELF for one.

You have a ministry?? Hahaha!!...

damogul:
Wrong! In this case you are the prosecution. That is what this thread is about. You say God does not exist so the defendant says you should show us how you arrived at this conclusion. What part of the OP did you not understand?

Is this a joke?? How are the people who DENY the prosecution... Is it not the prosecution who say He is guilty? That's equivalent to God exists... The defense claims he is NOT guilty, the atheists claim God does NOT exists!!

Image123:
Just so we are clear, i'm discussing the Bible, not headings and leggings of whatever versions.



Yes, Jesus would come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and THEN he will reward each one according to his deeds. That time is yet to come. Verse 28 is a different reference by Jesus and it says SOME will see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. The word kingdom there is more accurately splendour, royalty or glory. Peter attested to seeing it. What more can any ask for except for scoffers?
2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eye[b]witnesses of his majesty.[/b]
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


i never referred to OUR generation. That is how you fail comprehension and fail to see what Jesus accurately said. i clearly stated "the generation of the people that would witness those signs spoken of", "The generation of people that would witness those things talked about will not pass away before the second coming." i did not say that it is YOUR or OUR generation. And clearly, it is not Peter's generation as they did not see those signs come to pass.

So it took you days to come up with this crap?? ... I don't have the time to address every point... But when Jesus said this generation, he wasn't talking about Peter's generation? So what generation then?

damogul:
So if i accuse you of murder and a witness comes and says you were not involved would he not be asked to state his reasons for trying to declare you innocent?

No. .. The prosecution would have to prove the merits and elements of the crime you accused of... The burden of proof is entirely on the prosecution.... If the prosecution has concluded his case, the defense can enter a no-case submission and if that his rejected then he can raise any of the AFFIRMATIVE defenses like alibi, intoxication, insanity e.t.c. it's called presumption of innocence and it was established in the case of Woolmington vs DPP

This thing is so obvious and straight forward, it's painful it has to be pointed out... A major principle of procedural law is that the burden of proof is on he who asserts not he who denies... It never happens that you asked to prove the negative

damogul:
You seem to always want to argue. I have beeen to Zambia oga. In fact i have been to more than 9 african countries as a geographer which i am and you still wish to argue while i tell you from live on the ground report.

You need to pay a visit to New Soweto market in Zambia and marvel at how food is being wasted because it is in excess. It is even listed on Tripadvisors.com which was where i saw it and decided to visit when there.

Zambia is a self imposed poverty. If you wish to keep arguing continue doing so using articles while i am telling you as an eye witness. A not so populated nation yet they have about 20 political parties..you need to imagine the level of "rob the poor to feed the rich" that is going on there but of course you only follow articles.

Abeg, make we hear word... Did u visit every single part of Zambia... Or u expect me to take your word that there is no shortage of food in Zambia? ... People are starving to death in Zambia and neither your visit there or the wickedness of their leaders absolve their god of his responsibility to provide for them... Ergo, maybe the god doesn't exist in the first place

damogul:
Oga famine is not in zambia so leave that. God has given responsibility to man to take charge of his affairs but he can intervene when we call upon him. In Zambia Party or Political affiliation is a huge problem.

People are responsible for their choices so would you blame God when instead of voting in godly men they do based on tribal lines or selfish interests?

If you have been to Zambia even once i would not need to say all i am saying to you. Its like what happens in Nigeria during elections where peanuts is disbursed to buy votes and those who are deliberately being kept poor are bought over with peanuts

Keep trying to find excuses for your for god... This is an excerpt from a news article...
"Prolonged dry spells in five of the nine provinces of Zambia sharply reduced yields and cereal production."
U see that? Prolonged dry spells. It's not even peculiar to Zambia. Other south African countries are in danger of this because of climate change...
And the hungry people are not the cause of government's incompetence they are the victims... If god wouldn't protect his people from these things, then why believe in him
And what about the people who actually vote for godly people but the people they voted don't win.... And how do u know godly people... Seems we don't have godly people in Nigeria then

damogul:
Zambia does not have famine because much of the rural dwellers are farmers so in that regard they are good. There is food but Politics is their problem! Their poverty is deliberately being sustained so as to serve the rich. Its too complex to list out but its almost similar to Nigeria. Their problem is more of corruption related than Religion or Christianity..its mans disregard for man based on greed but the rural dwellers who are supposed to be poor are actually not poor because they are driving the economy mainly through farming and based on that the nation is doing well per their GDP which is why they are even 49 on the list. Zambia is beautiful.

Wait.... So these causes u have listed absolve god of the responsibility to provide for them??
BTW ... Having a population of farmers doesn't make a country immune to famine... The drought of 2001-02 is a major reason why there is a serious food deficit..
And as I said earlier, these causes do not absolve god of responsibility... The fact still remains Zambians are starving to death while their god promised them provision

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists in Confucianism believe that ancestral spirits would help their descendants with their fortunes , so ... yeah

The poorest countries have been atheist states .

The poorest countries in the world are not atheist... They are all African .. Either Christian dominated, or Islam dominated or shared between both religions and traditional religions... As I always say, knowledge is literally a click away

damogul:
Its not caused by famine. This is why i first asked if you have been to zambia before? Western Media would always paint a negaative image about Africa. Zambias poverty is not caused by famine.

Why not tell me the cause

KingEbukasBlog:
I answered your questions perfectly . Atheists are the ones starving to death in North Korea while their president revels in bacchanalian parties and coerces 13 yr old females into sexual servitude . Half of the country live in abject poverty . Half . Tufiakwa !

The same thing was in happening in China till they started permitting capitalism as a recourse . The country was bedeviled with hunger and poverty .

No, you didn't. And I never claimed atheists are not starving to death. Atheists don't have a god who promised them provisions, Christians do....
And stop lying, the 10 poorest countries are African.

damogul:
So you read the news. Do you per chance know how they arrived at this conclusion especially since you have never been to Gambia?

Is it their suffering you only saw but you never asked HOW? or HOW DID THEY GET TO THAT POINT

It's majority caused by famine.... And whatever the cause, it's definitely not caused by the people who have to scavenge for food

damogul:
Have you been to Zambia before?

No .. But I happen to read the news and as a person with a conscience, news that some people are starving to death is unforgettable for me

KingEbukasBlog:
Christianity is a 'religion' of love . There are so many Christian organisations in poor countries helping these poor people - trying to provide respite to the adversity they face .

There are so many Christians who have pledged to help the poor through out their lives . That is what Christ preached .

Help the poor .
Don't let the rich oppress the poor
Those in prison visit them
Love even your enemies and do good to them who hate you

I read on DailyMail yesterday or so about kids who burned down a G -Wagon and flushed down a Rolex watch - total price is 88K pounds - while people can't find food to eat

If you have money to waste , why not give to charity and fund those Christian organizations in these poor countries . Christ commanded us to do these things .

Argh! No, don't digress from the issues... Christ said he will provide for them but they are starving to death... Are Christians trying to give to charity? Of course, but so are atheists and irreligious people... Bill Gates who said he doesn't know if God exists has given over $28 billion to charity. Mark Zuckerberg has committed himself to funding medical research... Meanwhile, ur churches are busy building edifices ... My local church bought a keyboard of over 200,000 naira and that was five years ago
Don't bring your digressions, Christians are starving to death and your god would rather punish gay people

KingEbukasBlog:
Millions of testimonies from people who have their lives turned around by God .



****And 32 percent of the world's population owing 55 percent of the global wealth and 56.4 percent of the millionaires are Christians .

You don't learn foladara777

You don't learn and when I raise points to which you don't have a response, you disappear into thin air
U are focusing on the Christians who have money and ignoring the fact that Christianity is the most widely practiced religion in the world
U also ignore the fact that the poorest countries are Christian dominated, in fact Christians make up the bulk of the population starving to death. . in Zambia for example, which BTW is about 95% Christianity and has Christianity as it's official religion, human beings, Christians are competing with monkeys and baboons for nuts in order not to starve to death. .. These are people told by their god not to worry that he will provide for them.

damogul:
Good observation... Thats why i see nairaland as a distraction. You kids have so much to learn yet you argue randomly out of ignorance. But its allowed. Its part of the growth process

Actually, in many countries, atheism is more common among people above 34 years....

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism comes with emotional problems . Its never due to logic or reason . As emotional problems go , atheism goes .

Yh... Christianity is plainly due to logic or reason and it doesn't come with any emotional problems.... Just see how Christians are balling all over the world


... Oh wait!... They are not!!

hopefulLandlord:
I never even knew he was atheist until JackBizzle said it, I'd already known José long before then though

Wow, just wow! I knew the man but never knew he doesn't believe in god... So we have Pepe on one side and we have people who instead of looking for solutions to world hunger would say: "God starves children to death to save them from death in the future"

Iono know why Christians are angry... If the miracles are real seun's write up doesn't change that. . but the Christians are just showing uncertainty about their beliefs

xpmode:
Pls stop it, dont go back to Hardmirror's destructive lies

Yourself and your friends know, so well he is lying

Abeg, u only disproved a minute part of his story... No other part of the story was disproved

4everGod:
Oga carry your opinion and flush it down some latrine. What you are trying to do is desperately disprove the video lmao

Its nobodys fault that your father has never performed any miracles...it then makes me question his calling and affirm why his son is an atheist.

Now he says everything was totally staged out of frustration. hahahahahaha Na you go tire.

The video is UP and its on youtube.

This is a comment from someone on the channel

Keep trying to rattle me. Am better than that.
And a comment from someone on the channel?? Are u kidding me right now??

4everGod:
you talk as if your opinion matters here.

First you say your father whom you say is a Pastor does not stage miracles then you turn around and claim this one is staged. Is that not double standards? If you read the OP you will see those whom the video is meant for as i outlined them. The re already blessing God on the thread for this. Your opinion is coming late and cannot reverse this miracle that has already been done.

Yes, my opinion matters here. That's why you are desperate to subvert the issues I raised
And my father has never done miracles so it's not double standard to say this miracle is staged. .
My opinion isn't coming late and u know it unless you won't have bothered... And there's nothing to reverse because nothing actually happened, it was all staged...
Anger is not a fruit of the spirit u knowknow

4everGod:
Abeg zip it if you know of nothing sensible to say.

Oh... You're angry?? U thought we were just gonna accept the video as conclusive proof of miracles?? Sorry, we are wiser than that.
Again, I ask u, is it impossible for the video to be staged!?

4everGod:
So who is the director? The camera man? The mother of the baby? The Pastor? the interpreter? Who is the director? So the little baby is an actor too?

What is it with the interrogation? If there was a director would the video say?? The fact is that the video could have been staged.... Or are you saying it couldn't have been?

4everGod:
Is there a hollywood or nollywood actor in the video? Is the baby girl a nollywood or hollywood protege?

They don't need to be actors, they only need a director... And you won't know it they are actors. Or you know all actors and actresses!?
The point is that the authenticity of this video is not a foregone conclusion.... Or were u actually there??

4everGod:
It was not for this video. It was a "statement".

Meanwhile this video is as authentic as they come. Can you show me a child who could act out this kind of script so perfectly while refusing to stand when they probably could or refusing to crawl when they probably could or deliberately falling on their face when they probably could crawl or walk. Show me that baby so i can give the baby an award or nominate same for an oscar.

The video is as authentic as they come.... ?? U mean this kind of video can't be staged by Hollywood actors? Hell even nollywood actors... I can't u have totally closed your mind to the authenticity of the video. You are not even considering any other possibility