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4everGod:
Go through this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3485930/exposing-hardmirror-tale-two-mirrors#51367525

Thats where i exposed hardmirror. It would ppen your eyes to a lot.

Checked through the thread and you guys didn't disprove his story, u only proved that the story was not totally accurate.
Besides, that doesn't in any way lend credence to this video in particular or Christianity in general

4everGod:
So your father does not stage miracles right? Maybe you need to have a chat with hardmirror about that because he believes all pastors stage miracles even though he has been exposed as a fraud.

Maybe you can convince him about your father not having staged any. Or has your father never been an advocate of the miraculous?

My father never claims he can perform miracles... In fact, most Pastors don't claim that.... But when they want to increase congregation..
BTW, am not answering questions about my father anymore... It's totally inconsequential to the video u posted

4everGod:
Does your Pastor Father stage Miracles?

No he doesn't.. . he preaches the word he believes in but he doesn't deceive people by staging miracles. He doesn't need to since he doesn't rely on tithes and offering for his source of income

I don't know why some of you are saying it can't be staged because the little girl doesn't look like someone who can act..

hopefulLandlord:
Christianity's only supposed benefit is posthumous

even that is not limited to Christianity as there are many religion that promises posthumous benefits

Am waiting for either 4everGod or KingEbukasblog to come and say "death is death" or god is protecting them from unforeseen evil in the future by starving them to death

Cont'd
.... Below is an excerpt from a guardian ( the British not Nigerian) article on hunger in Zambia.
More than 31 million people in the region are said by the UN to need food now, but this number is expected to rise to at least 49 million across almost all of southern Africa by Christmas.

Again in another guardian article...
In the woodlands of southern Zambia hunger arrives with the rhythmic clack of stone against stone as villagers pound open the hard mungongo nuts, a food of last resort for which they compete with monkeys and elephants. The pounding is the only sound in hamlets such as Siatumbu where families slump in front of thatched huts, weakened and tired.

If any Christian can explain how God is fulfilling his promise to provide for them.... Plss get on with it

Apparently no Christian has been able to explain why there are Christians starving to death...
In Zambia for example, Christianity is the official religion and about 85.5% of the population is christian according to Christian World Trends. But according to their 2010 census, 75.3% of Zambians were Protestant Christians, and 20.2 were catholic. That's about 95% of their population...

Is it just me or this 4evergod guy seems desperate

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists are bunch of liars . That's why I had to leave the thread . No one can tell lies and distort facts as the atheists do .

No, you left because you were confronted with facts. It's what u always do. When u have exhausted all the gymnastics to defend your religion- which BTW seems closer to deism than Christianity these days- u exit the thread quietly to save face. It's discreet actually. At least, u don't insist on spewing rubbish like some of your well known friends

damogul:
I am not dodging your question.

I asked you a very simple question which did not need to have a reason before you offered an answer. It was a simple logical question like an aptitude test. I could ask you if you found yourself underwater with no swimming gear how would you survive...its just to task your brain and not for you to ask me "why would you go underwater without swimming gear in the first place".

Now you have answered with the bolded. What then do you think Jesus did when he came to the world as God in the flesh.

FOR THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. John 1:14

Jesus also said

John 14:7-9New International Version (NIV)

7 If you really know me, you will know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

God has already revealed Himself in Christ to mankind and has fulfilled the purpose behind the revelation which is why we have billions of believers worldwide but for someone like you Jesus said something very profound in John 20: 29

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

You can keep waiting for God to reveal Himself to you again if you wish butt if you cannot believe Christ then forget about your OP...its ridiculous!

Jesus is the same person as god?? Who did he always pray to in heaven then?

damogul:
To avoid this nauseating merry go round your inability to understand english always causes i will give you your answer in your local dialect so what is it?

Back to the boring, monotonous crap?? But it was getting interesting... Or you are tired... Mentally?

damogul:
How is it that to you when you speak you actually think you sound intelligent but when another speaks they sound dumb? Is there some sort of damage to your cerebral cortex? If there is then we need to simplify or reduce the stress on it which is why i am asking for your local dialect. Surely that would not pose a problem to your comprehensive ability would it?

Oh!! U proved that u can conjure a different statement!! ... I clap for you! ... I don't just assume people sound dumb, I make that inference from statements they make... And from your comments today, there is conclusive, irrebuttable proof that you are...
The question is simple really... U claim doctrines are man made and made as a result of a lack of submission to the holy spirit by the churches and their leaders. So tell us, does this mean all the churches with doctrines are not submitting to the holy spirit?? That is the logical inference so if the answer is for any reason different from that, tell us why

damogul:
What is your local dialect...I need to end this torture english has been putting you through. Lets switch to a dialect you can really flow in.

Wait... U this boring or u just don't have the ability to conjure a different statement?

damogul:
Oga what is your dialect? Let me start writing in your local dialect so it would be easier for you to understand since english is not your lingua franca

Guy, every time u respond with this shit, u betray your lack of a coherent and logical response to the simple question asked... I don't think your Christian friends would be proud of you right now

damogul:
Just shut your pie hole already. Its obvious that no matter how i type in english you would still stop short of understanding it. Perhaps i should type in your local dialect for better comprehension. What tribe are you from? I need to transcribe my comment to your local dialect.

The only thing that can rival your stupidity is your cowardice with your dishonesty coming a close third...
You are trying not to address the issues I raised because your logic has been defeated by superior logic...
U said doctrines are man made, I agree. U also claim doctrines are as a result of not submitting to the will of the holy spirit since the holy spirit is not forceful... Then I ask a simple question. Does this mean all churches that have doctrines are not submitting to the will of the holy spirit?? That's a friggin' polar question...
Next time you are exposed by logic, just stick with the cowardice and don't respond to save yourself some face

damogul:
So much stupidity in one person! What part of MAN MADE do you not understand? Is the Holy spirit forceful? Does he not respect our will? I marvel at your shallow understanding...indeed it is very troubling.

AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD....THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD...

In other to be LED there must first be SUBMISSION. How many have fully submitted to the holy spirit? Men try to help the church by creating doctrines when Jesus never established doctrines. If you still cannot understand something as simple as this then OYO is your case.

When your inferior intelligence and shallow reasoning is exposed, u revert to old, refuted arguments... We already trashed this: so all the churches which have doctrines- which is virtually all of them- are doing it against the will of the holy spirit. So every church is disobeying the holy spirit? No church is submitting?? ... Or your church has no doctrines at all...
If they were giving ballon d ors for stupidity, you would be both the Messi and Ronaldo

damogul:
Stop being a dumbo. Who is the church? The church is made up of the people. If you do not understand relationship outside religious practice then even my answer would be lost on you. So forget it. I have given you 2 answers which were exactly alike and even highlighted in red as emphasis and you are still regurgitating the same question a 3rd time.

Please stop bugging me with your inability to comprehend English

U are living proof of the rot in our educational system... And someone like u will be presenting himself as a graduate?? Your English teacher should be probed...
Why should there be man made doctrines when there is the holy spirit... U can't comprehend. U better go and enroll in an adult education class

damogul:
I am forced to repost this because it is clear you lack the very rudiments of understanding

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Is this just stupidity or dishonesty to conceal the exposure of your holy spirit sham...
The holy spirit will teach u all things right?? Those issues on which each church create doctrines. Can't the church ask from the holy spirit to make doctrines unnecessary... Do u understand now or should I come again?

damogul:
Indeed you are several shades of dolt.

I suppose my statement which clearly said that DOCTRINES ARE MAN MADE AS JESUS DID NOT COME TO ESTABLISH DOCTRINE was lost on you right? Yet you still mentioned the highlighted.

You guys are beyond blind to understanding and reason.

If u can't comprehend a simple comment in English language, u humbly ask for explanation and not try to conceal your cognitive failings with arrogance...
Did I dispute that doctrines are man made? Am saying why does man have to make doctrines when there is the holy spirit.. Or your church doesn't have doctrines??

damogul:
Are you stupid or something? Where did i make such an allegation? Doctrine is man made. Jesus did not come to establish a doctrine. Any man who is preaching doctrine instead of Christ is on his own. The Message is Jesus and His love.

Every other thing is borne out of this love. If you preach tithe then those who wish to abide by it ought to do so in Love for God loves willingness and not compulsion. If you preach dressing then those who wish to abide by them should be based on love for God and not compulsion as anything that is not done willingly is a Sin.

You see, Jesus Unites but Doctrine divides. I have preached this message in several ministries and some have come to understand this truth. We serve God not due to doctrine but because we love Him as He first loved us. Doctrine are laws but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are LIBERTY IN LOVE.

This may be too deep for you to understand as all you see are doctrinal differences and to you that shows the weakness of the church...no that is weakness of men who wish to help Jesus finish his work or perfect the Church. Jesus does not need that Help. All He desires is for us to pay attention to the Holy Spirit for AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD.

Sacrifice, tolerance, temperance, patience are some of the uncomfortable aspects of this walk with Jesus so men try to use doctrine to streamline it but doctrine breeds pretense and divisions.

I am not a Religious believer...i am a believer who has a relationship with Jesus and not based on whatever Church i belong. If my church authority brings up a matter that goes against the teachings of Christ i always stand up and reject it. My service is to God and not men.

Sacrifice, tolerance, temperance, patience and all that shit... And your response to a question that exposes the deceit and hypocrisy of your belief is "Are you stupid?" Just like Bros J., right?
And the very idea of doctrines shows a lack of consensus by all churches which should be the case if u guys really have holy spirit... Why can't u just ask the holy spirit and stop doing doctrines

Deicide:
So you noticed The Hypocrisy to?

The conceited ignorance of Christians is in layers... They believe they have the knowledge that God Exodus to the exclusion of atheists. Then they believe they have the true knowledge of the true God to the exclusion of other religions. Then they believe that their denomination is the one serving God the right way. Then even in the same branch, some people still believe they have the actual revelation... It's a while chain of arrogant delusions

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is vapid . It just says "there is no God" and that is it . Or is there anything else I missed

Before you reply , religious skepticism is not atheism .

That's not true... Atheism is either a belief or an absence/rejection of a belief...

damogul:
If you understood the last part of that comment you would not have asked this question.

This was the last part

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Oh... So every other person uses head knowledge and u are the only person or your church is the only one that actually relies on the holy spirit...
That's why even the greatest men of God have different doctrines... They can't agree on whether Christians should wear trousers, whether comedians should minister in church, even whether drums should be played in church

damogul:
The word of God is spiritually discerned which is why we were given the Holy spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

John 14: 26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Trying to use your head knowledge to discern the words of God is folly. This is why many make mistakes on their own but still turn around and blame God.

Then how come there is so much controversy in the church?? Or is it not the same holy spirit?

damogul:
Do you think this is the first time i am seeing that scripture or the first time i have been asked about it? Dude i am a bible scholar duly mentored and brushed up by Benson idahosa in all nations for Christ bible institute. I do not guess Gods word i know it by revelation for every word comes with a rhema which i know your carnality would never have.

cc Ranchhoddas

And you are the only one that has revelation?? Because the holy spirit is supposed to be in all Christians so this revelation should be common knowledge to ask Christians... Or u have another version of the holy spirit?

KingEbukasBlog:
I should listen to rappers ?




Every gender was annihilated . The babies when they grow up would still be killed . Don't you get , they'd face death either way

This is stupid.... And it's the thinking that fuels suicide bombing, religious genocide and infanticide... And when boko haram attacks churches u will complain
U are not better then shekau

damogul:
Please if you wish to discuss the holy spirit why not open a different thread and stop derailing this one.

It shouldn't require a thread now... The explanation should be simple... Unless it isn't then maybe I will open one
So is the explanation simple or difficult

hopefulLandlord:
this is hilarious

what I see is everyone making up what a verse should mean and running away with it, joining a church based on that OR creating a church if there's none that interprets it the way they want

Even in the same church, people can't agree on what the bible actually says and they all claim to have the holy spirit

Wilgrea7:
ok.. sir... can you please list some of the events?? enlighten me

Famine, civil unrest, natural disasters... U know of the 10 countries with highest incidence of people starving to death, about 6 are Christian dominated the others are either Muslim dominated or shared equally between Christians and Muslims
Wilgrea7 ... Where art thou

hopefulLandlord:
this is what they do when cornered, their delusion suddenly launches self preservation mechanism

they spill inanities to score cheap likes from their fellow deluded Christian apologists



its not only Christianity that claims to have punishments laid out for those that don't believe in their own version of god


NO! there's no spirit of atheism that plans to reveal straightforward truth to us

we can disagree on all other things except our lack of belief in any deity

you guys drum up our ears everyday, claim to talk to the same holy spirit who is not author of confusion and tells the truth plain and simple if you ask him

why do you and kingebuka have different views of verses then? is it not the same holy spirit? or is he choosing to lie to one of you?


I already gave you a link to this

It does. From satanism to fly by night-happy-go-lucky atheism

it seems you lack enough wits

The Holy Spirit is working in both of us. God is working in both of us, warning you to repent of your foolishness before it is too late

okay, I agree you're both warning us

but who is interpreting the word with the guidance of holy spirit between both of you?

Guy, don't tell me u don't know that just like our phones, there are different versions of the holy spirit. The one that deeper life uses is different from the one used in Christ embassy... The new generation churches tend to update their version more often than the orthodox. That's why there is no concesus as to whether women should wear trousers...
Hell, even whether there should be comedy in church,, there was about 8 pages of disagreement on this forum... It's not their fault, it's because some versions of the holy spirit are not upgraded

PDBonline:
You can have principles but if they worth that title they are not yours, you adopted them and that you say you are more consistent in your principles??

The more you know, the more you honestly know you have more to know- that you don't really know much because there is infinitely more to know.
Imagine how different your attitude will be if you can just acknowledge that, if there is God, He knows all things and His reasoning and decisions will consequently be definitely different from yours.

So because I don't know all things, there must be a god who does?? This is a new level of fvckery

[quote author=MrPresident1 post=51915249][/quote]Oh lawd!!