₦airaland Forum

Yujin:
Lol at Gabon and Botswana being developed. You don't know Jack. None of those countries are close to the level of SA developmentally. My friend, even SAns know that their black government have failed them. Blacks generally have so far proven not to be able to handle countries properly. There's no single black country different from the rest. I'm not saying all blacks are incapable of a positive change. Of course, some blacks have contributed greatly to advancement in various fields of endeavours but you and I know that non of them will be allowed to head a country. It's our collective fault. SA as at present have no such visionary leader. That is not debatable. Even Malema is not fit for the job.

If we're going to have a discussion, you could, at the very least, read and comprehend what I've written, before responding to it.

How am I supposed to refute what you're saying/writing, when it isn't based on anything I've written?

I didn't say Botswana or Gabon were 'developed'. I said they were second world countries. No nation in Africa is developed. South Africa, as I've said, on many occasions, has a huge infrastructure deficit. Which means...the infrastructure in the country, isn't enough to accommodate it's population. So development in South Africa is superficial at best.

Blacks? What colour are you? Are you a white person?

70% of the world's nations are developing, so we could argue that most of the human races has proven an inability to handle a nation properly. But that's a very simplistic way of looking at things. Most countries, at least in Africa, are very young. So it's a little premature to come to that conclusion. Great Britain (the country of my birth), took 200 years to reach developed status, and that was with access to 50% of the entire planets resources and wealth.

South Africa doesn't need visionary leaders. Running a country isn't rocket science. All South Africa needs is bold leaders. Leaders that are willing to do what's required. They know what the problem is, and how to fix the problem, they're just AFRAID to do it.

Yujin:
I don't beat about the bush. So far, no black controlled country has been able to develop and sustain a country to be a second world country let alone being among the first. SA black controlled government inspire of their improvement of the affairs of the black population have failed the country at the national level. O yes, it has nothing to do with colour but so far so good, only the white government holds any promise of development. This is the sad truth.

Isn't Botswana a second world country? What about Gabon? There are many medium developed nations in Africa. So what you've written is untrue.

That said, there's no logic behind your reasoning. The facts, as I've outlined them are simple: the massive infrastructure deficit in the country is due to the WHITE government. So how could you possibly conclude that they are the only ones that could/can fix it?

Since you don't know nor understand white people (I'm assuming you were born and raised in black Africa, due to your lack of dignity and self respect), let me tell you what they would do. If white people were to reclaim control of South Africa, all they'd do is implement policies that benefits their demographic at the expense of the locals. And as justification, they'd simply blame the locals for their own predicament.

South Africa doesn't need further entrenchment, it needs BOLD African leaders, that are willing to do whatever it takes to safeguard its people. Even if it means stepping on white peoples hands. That's the main problem in South Africa, the HUGE wealth disparity. White people control EVERYTHING in South Africa, and they're not willing to give it up. South Africa's economy needs to be redistributed, all must eat, or they'll forever be chaos in the land.

Yujin:
The writer is very correct. SA is on a downward spiral. Their own PHCN called ESKOM is starting to fail. Generator sales is growing and China is selling big. The funny thing is that ONLY a sensible white SA government can revert the impending failure. The same route Nigeria followed to be at the present doldrums is exactly where SA is treading. Exposed people like the author and the OP have no where else to cry but Nairaland. Many black SA are starting to realise that no one will hear their cries but their fellow black people. But who will help them? This is the big question. CERTAINLY NOT THE FAILED NIGERIAN state. It's a tough world for Africans especially the Blacks. Chai!

What does skin colour have to do with anything, after all, it was the White SA government that caused all the problems. If they'd taken into account the indigenous population, when developing the nation, South African wouldn't have had such a huge infrastructure deficit at the end of apartheid.

valarmorghulis:
Na them make mouth pass, them develop the whole Nigeria but forget their own region

It said, FOREIGN investment. Igbo people investing in Igboland, which happens all the time, does not constitute foreign investment.

justnairalande:
yea, there are also igbos in Kano, does that mean some parts if Kano will be ceded to Biafra ? For your info Delta-state and Edo-state were a single state before, Bendel state. They also have a common history as parts of the same precolonial African country. I will let you guess the name.
You people in the south-east want to lay claim to Delta-state not based on history, nor affinity, but based on ressources.

You never heard of Delta-Igbo people? Like Jay Jay Okocha?? Or Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala?? I have a friend from Delta State and he swears he's 100% Igbo.

Adekamkpe23:
If Cownu has the balls let him visit Nigeria for the funeral.
Burutai will use his balls for suya.

The African solution to problems; just murder the complainant.

In the civilised world, we compromise, come to understandings. Murdering Kanu won't end the agitation, because it didn't start with him.

swaggerific:
Wow that is a true but cruel reality for us Nigerians.

China Population = 1.4 Billion
India Population = 1.4 Billion

China poverty rate =0.7%
India Poverty rate = 3%
China poor population = 9,800,000
India Poor population = 42,000,000

China + India poor population =51,800,000.

The Nigerian stat on extreme poverty has NO OFFICIAL source. Moreover, the poverty rate in India is around 33%, which puts the number at 460 million people.

Extreme poor is a different classification to poor, there's poor and extreme poor, they're not the same thing. Someone who lives below the international poverty line of $1.90 per day is considered extreme poor. So they may not necessarily be considered poor within said country.

The extreme poverty stat on Nigeria, assumes a poverty line of $0.4 dollars per day, based on the only available source on poverty within Nigeria (conducted in 2005). So technically, the number of poor within Nigeria may be considerably lower. All that has happened, is that the West has used their own definition of poor, and imposed it upon the nation, without giving consideration to the currency valuation and cost of goods.

Anyone who honestly believes there's less poor in India than Nigeria is completely retarded. Even Indians that have been to Nigeria don't believe that.

IGBOSON1:
A drive around part of Enugu.

Things i noticed which anyone close to the Governor or Commissioner concerned could help bring to their notice:

1- Most of the traffic lights are dead.

2- Some of the street lights are leaning over like the Tower of Pisa and are in imminent danger of total collapse.

3- Some areas (mostly in the busy commercial areas) are having a bit of overgrown vegetation which needs trimming, and the roads swept of
that red Enugu dust/sediment.

4- The streets in the busy commercial areas have too many signs mounted willy-nilly. There should be some kind of organisation and to
the mounting of signs.

5- The face of Governor Ugwuanyi is EVERWHERE! It's almost like a personality cult, and doesn't speak well of him as people may think he has
an ego problem and messianic complex.

Besides the few hiccups listed above, everything else looks ok! And the gov't has tried in maintaining Enugu environment the way it has done thus far!

Video courtesy free occupied Biafra.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxVG5vbJFwQ

The Nigerian government always seems negligent in its duties. They make basic tasks seem complex. But ultimately, it's down to the populace. It's obvious, the government isn't do those little things, like maintaining street corners, building pavements, installing proper drainage systems, so they can pocket the money. But if the people don't say or do anything, instead choosing to stand and cheer, whenever a governor builds a road (as if they deserve praise for doing their job) , then that's what they're going to get.

The governors should fear the populace, since they're there to serve them. Unlike what pertains in Nigeria, where the governors, the moment they're sworn in, are treated like fiefdoms.

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ChiefkeefGB4:
We top the crime statistics and number of illegal immigrants that is why.

No we do not, were there any Africans on the streets of Germany molesting German women? No, they were all Arab men, likewise in Belgium, Netherlands and various other countries in Europe. In fact, there are many reports about crimes committed by Arabs, primarily, in Europe.

As I said before, it's because Westerners tend to have a black obsession, which has nothing to do with crime. It's not as if their obsession started in the past couple of decades.

immhotep:
Also welcome to EurAfrica

There's far more Asians in Europe than Africans. For every one African, there's around six Asians. In London, there are more than double the number of Asians living there, than Africans.

Africans are actually a minority minority group in Europe. The West just loves to obsess over Black People, and as they obsess over us, Asians slowly takeover.

ChiefkeefGB4:
Why no mention of epidemic corruption as the root cause of all our problems. Our politicians are looting money to buy $40 million dollar jewellery(Diezani) buying $35 million dollar private jets (Tinubu), buying Rolls Royce and other luxury sport cars worth millions of dollars (Dino Melaye) and your saying it is because of urbanisation and limited resources for a large population.

Nigeria needs to develop the necessary systems to keep its leakages in check. All countries are corrupt, humans are corrupt by nature. Nigeria's biggest problem has always been competence. Get the best minds to run the country, and you'll witness the development and progress you so desire. But sentiment seems to get in the way of that, that's why someone like Buhari can become president, despite being uneducated.

Your statement, that Nigeria has made no progress, is incorrect. So the answer to your question is NO. Africa is developing so is Nigeria. Nigeria's culture of pessimism has blinded you to the reality. I don't know how old you are, but the improvements are glaring, especially if you were around to witness Nigeria 20 - 30 years ago.

It's the only way he knows how to tackle the secessionist movements. The best approach is simply to eliminate the ailments that makes succession attractive.

TEDHorsePower:
Just look at how they were massacred and their governor was crying

You guys are going to burn in hell for posting that up there.

Obi1kenobi:
The choice or decision will not be up to the Niger Delta. The problem will assume the dimension of an existential crisis for the North. The core North of Nigeria is already as impoverished as Somalia or South Sudan as it is now. Without Niger Delta oyel, they would basically be a walking corpse. They would go to war before allowing the Niger Delta leave with their oyel. The war would be undesirable (as war always is) but they would have no choice than to fight for their survival - and Niger Delta oyel is their means of survival. The fatal mistake was made when Ironsi's dumb ass deconstructed a working system of governance to institute a unitary system of government which has made other regions addicted to Niger Delta oyel: an addiction that will only fade when the Niger Delta oyel expires (which it will in a few decades time). The worst the Niger Delta can do if denied their independence will be to start blowing up pipelines (which will affect their own economy too). They will never be willing to actually go to war with the North.

This is why Biafra is a pipe dream. As I've pointed out severally, the North know that secession of the SE will precipitate similar agitations from the SS that holds the means of their survival (and Northerners often conflate the SE and SS together as an entity). They will never allow any "Biafra" to materialize until the last drop of oyel has been squeezed from the Niger Delta.

Yakubu Gowan created the renters economic system, not Ironsi. Ironsi simply disbanded authority of the regional heads, so that he could rule.

If Northern Nigeria is like Somalia right now, even with access to oil, then what does it matter if they lose oil revenues, as it doesn't look like it's doing them any good. They were doing FAR better when they didn't even know what oil was. That said, as part of the split, Biafra or the Niger Delta could agree to give them a certain percentage of the proceeds, over a period of time, say 10 to 20 years.

Unbiased1:
Breaking: Innoson Vehicles Clears All Refuse Dump Sites in Nnewi

Today, Saturday, June 1st, 2019, Innoson Vehicles embarked on clearance of all refuse dumps sites located in various sections of the road in Nnewi. The clearing exercise is still on as at the time of filing this report.
An unconfirmed report intimated
Anaedoonline.com that the said the Company has proposed to the State Governor, Chief Willie Obiano for it to be given the opportunity to manage and dispose of waste in the State and using Nnewi as a pilot example.
Anaedoonline.com has not confirmed whether the State Government has granted the proposal as at the time of writing this news article.
Recall that on May 27th, Anandoonline published an Editorial where it urged the Governor to declare a State of Emergency on Waste Management in Anambra State.
Innoson Vehicles has produced different specs of Garbage Trucks specifically the latest Innoson IVM Roll Up Truck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JPMJirFIMc

They should have mayors to handle these cities, because it's obvious the Gov'nur can't handle the load.

olas24u:
So you mean they are efiks

I'm saying it wasn't an Igbo Kingdom.

olas24u:
So how do you plan to come habitate with them in the biafra you are planning with them?just look at your attitude,it is suspect.

What attitude? As I said before, respect is earned. So in the case of Asari, if he thinks he's going to impose himself on Igbo people, it's not going to work, and he knows it. That's why he tried to demean us. I haven't said anything negative about Ijaw people.

olas24u:
Ijaws are important to you and must be respected,you cannot Lord over them

How exactly are they important to me? What exactly do they do for me? Ijaw people are important to Ijaw people. If any Ijaw person is looking for some unbridled respect, they're not going to get it. Igbo people only respect hard work.

olas24u:
Arochukwu people we're slave merchants

Arochukwu was founded by Ibibio people.

olas24u:
You are landlocked ,so you don't have access to sea or land boder ,so slaves were shipped to other places.they did not ship people according to ethnic group,but on how strong you are and built.so most African Americans comw from west africa

Igboland is not landlocked, Igboland has access to the sea from Anambra, Abia, Imo and Rivers State.

Slavery was illegal in most parts of Igboland during that time period, unlike in Yorubaland, where it formed an integral part of your economies.

olas24u:
The northernrs contributed more to the national purse. Apart from all does index .so the east is poor,the northerners are poor ,you both contribute less than 10% together .you get more from the federation account than you generate,so you cannot survive without the federal government.

Poverty is defined by the living conditions of the people, not how much money a state gives to the national government in an inefficient and ineffective government system.

As I said before, Nigeria has an undeveloped taxation system, which means, much of the Igbo economy is informal. Yorubaland on the other hand has a bloated public sector, which is why their IGR is higher. Just look at the capital of Ogun, does it look like a city on the rise to you?

olas24u:
It is richer than all the southeast states .

Is that really what you see? I see slum dwellings, insufficient infrastructure, haphazard development, and disorganisation. If that's what you call 'rich', I'd love to see what you call poor.

olas24u:
Ogun state planned an industrial area which was a cluster and they share common infastructure,it reduces cost of doing business,ogun state issues c of o in 48hrs to businesses that acquire land.,they have policies that supports people moving there .they are busy investing in seaports ,power and gas companies and also oil .

Yes, an industrial zone to leverage of its proximity to Lagos. Outside of that, Ogun State is a poor, backward state, with limited infrastructure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwae0R4gwhs

olas24u:
A state that generates 20% of the revenue of Nigeria is poor?all southeast together contribute 4 to 5% .did you not see the IGR recently?anambra was the highest in the east and it was still lesser than some northern states.awolowo created industrial estates for the development of manufacturing ,and production,igbos killed it ,with a coup.ikeja industrial estate,ogba industrial estate, ilupeju industrial estate,oshodi isolo industrial estate,oluyole industrial estate.

Northern Nigeria is one of the poorest regions, not just in Nigeria but the entire world. Borno State, for example, has a 90% poverty rate, and a 30% literacy rate, which means, most people in that state can't read or write. Northern Nigeria in general has a literacy rate below 40%, with millions of children out of school, and millions of street beggars. So stop being disingenuous, because you're not fooling anyone, least especially the Western World, as they always talk about the glaring differences between the North and South in terms of wealth and development.

olas24u:
Ijaws sold salves and we're slave owners,the slaves were mostly igbos from what he said .we are products of slavery.

If so many Igbo slaves were sold to Europeans, why is there very little Igbo influence in the West? Yoruba influence exists, because many Yoruba peolpe were taken as slaves. The slave routes still exist, along with verifiable histories of slave traders, like Madam Efunroye Tinubu.

olas24u:
Benin republic,togo are Yoruba speaking people,acrra was founded by yorubas called ghans.the once in South America and America went because of slavery.but Yoruba territory extends to adjacee called potonovo in french a sea port area.

The Ga people are not Yoruba. Yoruba is only spoken in Nigeria and Benin, with one subgroup in Togo, but they're no more Yoruba than Kalabari people are Igbo.

olas24u:
We are not mates in anything ,and you should know that,when you leave Nigeria,which other territory do you hear them speaking igbo?we are not mates you can hear Yoruba people ,in Togo,Benin,Ghana,up to serrialone in west Africa,the Brazil, Cuba,trindad and tabago, Venezuela etc and also America,.so you see we are not mates ,the British just brought us together because we were conquered.even asari said they sold you people to foerigners.so we are not contempories.
Have igbo colonised any territory before,no, we have colonised just like the white Dahomey in present day Benin republic.

Asari said his people sold Igbo people, because Igbo people make him feel insecure. He knows he can't measure up to our work ethic and achievements, so he seeks to demean us by drawing on the past, a past he should rightfully feel ashamed of, but doesn't because he thinks it in some way elevates him.

Yoruba is spoken in all these nations because of slavery, because Yoruba people were captured and sold to different plantations all across the Americas - not exactly something to be boastful of.

Colonisation is bad, believe it or not.

olas24u:
You know you are not sincere with your baifra,that is why you don't know to capture power is the ultimate ,that will accelerate restructuring or division.but because you like the system,you want to continue ,every year same shit.AD,AC,APc ,we're conservatives and wanted power and looked for how to capture power . instead of you support in,so that tinubu,fashola, osinbajo can capture power and then get referedum and go your way,you are all busy hating while some are working.

All of this is the fault of Yoruba people, you guys created APC, you made Buhari its flagbearer, then you gave him enough votes to win the elections. Don't go crying now that it hasn't panned out the way you hoped. You thought having Osinbajo as Vice President would benefit Yoruba people to the detriment of Igbo people, but it didn't work out that way at all - did it.

olas24u:
Politics didnot start today, shagari vs awolowo,igbos supported shagari,abiola and today,,igbos supported tofa,obasonjo and olu falae,igbos supported obasonjo ,in histroy it has been that way consistent.your politics is not good,

The same Awolowo that betrayed the East, and you wonder why we didn't support him? So Obasanjo is not Yoruba? Abiola? I'm pretty certain he won the popular vote. You're chatting out of your arse. History has proven that Yoruba people are cutthroat in their behaviour, acting in their own best interest, with little care for its ramifications.

olas24u:
How many multi national invest in the east?access to land is a problem ,you do not give land ,you don't have human resource,crime rate is high,most Chinese that came to setup factories were killed by competitors.they cannot come.your factories are not up to factories in ogun state because you have smse,s and factories pay exercise duties.ogun state has the highest.simple.yorubas are not poor ,and rich and can get education,work in yorubaland.igbos are poor and go out to survive and make money.most became rich living in Lagos,made money in Lagos and not east .you came with armroberry, kidnapping,fake drugs,counterfeit drugs,human parts,car theft ,baby factories,harmful substances etc.and because of this you have killed more Yoruba citizens.

The East thrives on indigenous firms and companies, that's how it should be. Each state should be looking to build up its own internal capacity, not become slaves to Western Organisations.

As I said before, proximity to Lagos is the only reason why there's any multinationals in Ogun at all. Ogun is a very poor state, with a huge infrastructure deficit, that's why you'd NEVER show anyone what the state looks like. You know how poor it is.

Moving to another state, requires capital and business acumen - two things that most Yoruba people lack. That's why bank deposits in Igboland are the highest in Nigeria.

Again, Igboland has the lowest crime rate in Nigeria. You NEVER hear of any incidents in Igboland, but in the North and West, it's a common occurrence.