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Afamed:
The health insurance and private hospitals in Anambra are not for services rather for money making. That's why you see 3/4 mushroom private hospitals in a building. Kiss the truth

Health insurance is designed to make healthcare affordable and accessible, unlike in Kano where less than 30% of the population can actually afford the limited health services available.

I really don't think you want to have this conversation. Anambra and Kano are not in competition with each other. Anambra is where Kano hopes to get to within the next 10 to 20 years, if the people buckle down and get serious.

Afamed:
And I guess you sincerely know the danger when the hospitals are left in the hand of private hand.
You sincerely know not everyone can afford the price of private hospitals
If your state government could not build your state hospitals, what and what are they doing with their monthly allocations?
The private hospital at Onitsha, Toronto hospital, by Nitel, how many of your comrade can afford to to pay their charges? Crest private hospital at Awka, how many of your comrade can afford to pay for their patients card talkless of their medical bills.

That's what health insurance is for: https://ashia.an.gov.ng

Anambra is head and shoulders ahead of Kano State. This is a laughable comparison.

Anambra is ranked number 1 in healthcare delivery while Kano is classified as a disadvantaged state in terms of healthcare, education etc.

GenBuhari:
Can you all see the fake drama of politicians and officials all looking moronic wearing face masks for photoshoot in front of his constituents
But once he reaches the white racist contractor, his god, all face masks and pretence of existence of a deadly virus are abandoned.
I am sure somebody will soon wake me up from this corona nightmare to resume my normal life. This whole thing must be a very bad and long dream!
https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/11563198_10952610fbimg1580137350855jpeg6bc58456d990e74ea30f0c11973890a4_jpeg305cab2493ffd501d1c74519b974b4a1

The pictures with the white guy were taken from a video where the governor went to see the level of progress on current water schemes in the state. That visit was done before the coronavirus outbreak, that's why he's not wearing a face mask.

If you see his recent project update videos you'll see that everyone is mandated to wear face masks including foreigners.

myboy2111:
First for Anambra you mean? Because they're many private accredited centres in Lagos, FCT and Kano

They're not private, those ones were setup by the NCDC. Kano barely has hospitals, let alone science laboratories.

Owerri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=544YOcM-LPc

[quote author= post=89677074]I don't know the kind of person you're, your fighting everybody, you fight Imo, Enugu, Abia, Ebonyi, Rivers and Delta state, you're creating big problem for us, you are so self-centered, you care only about yourself and not others, you are not the only Anambra man in this forum when they try correcting you insult them, you do the same thing year to year, when the real enemies attack Anambra you hide but always quick to attact our brothers with irrelevant pictures, I have called you as a brother and friend to stop your silly attack you ignored me , especially the useless threads you are opening every minute to attack Rivers state, you are creating big problem for Igbos and Anambra people in particular, we are tying to unite with our brothers, you can't be an island, we are not known for this childish behavior towards our brothers and neighbors, most of our brothers are seriously investing in Imo, Rivers etc Seplat Nestoil, Young and host of others, same way Imolite are investing in Anambra, people like, Orange drugs, Tummy Tummy noodles, Seven energy, our people are not known for this, please change your way, you know the real enemies, it's so irritating for you to drag this for years now.[/quote]He's an Igala man from Anambra, that's why he loves spreading emnity amongst Igbo people and Igbo states.

hammerP:
AS BOKO HARAM SOLDIERS ARE ARRIVING SE, NOW U ARE WORRIED.


AFTER NIGERIA ARMY HAVE ALREADY DELIVERED THE WEAPON THEY WILL USE TO SE, NOW U ARE WORRIED.


ALOT OF THEM ARE IN THE SURROUNDING FOREST AND MANY TRUCKS WERE ALLOWED TO PASS AFTER BRIBING THE POLICE.


THEY ARE TURNING THE FOREST IN THE SOUTH TO THEIR NEW SAMBISA FOREST.


SOME WERE DRIVEN IN BY THE NIGERIA ARMY.


THEY WILL HOLD ALL OF YOU HOSTAGE, KILL MANY OF YOU, RAPE AND SUBJUGATE THE LITTLE LEFT TO ISLAM.


THEY DAT REFUSE TO HEAR WILL FEEL, AS MY DEAR FATHER WILL PUT IT.


BE VERY WORRIED NOW.

Well they're going to need a lot more than a truck load of illiterates to conquer 25+ million people.

Sammy07:
Anyways, you guys have been working against SW since 1954.
So it's not new..

All developments still ends in SW rather than SE.
We ain't losing after all.

Cc:
Metaphysical
Legendhero
Totit
Topics70
Helinues
Southwest
Omonnakoda
Sarriki
Senatordave1
Area4Area
Osaze007

Both South east and the North destroyed this country

North --- through governance
SE ----- through voting them in.

They'll come here and be telling us SE are marginalize

Not so long ago, people were criticizing the South-East for not voting for Buhari, and now you're criticizing us for supposedly voting for Buhari. Last I checked, it was the SW vote that brought Buhari to power, TWICE.

TheGodlessGod:
that's why the black skin is cursed because we can't think for ourselves.

People are ready to die defending nigerian from separation or restructuring.. same nigeria that was formed by British

Some groups in Nigeria feel they will be worse off seperated from the country. That may be because of what they are currently receiving from the nation.

Ultimately we can't expect every ethnic nation to have the capabilities to develop a first world country.

Let those who have the capabilities do it and they will help the less capable groups, just as it was done in Europe.

What does pigmentation have to do with brain function? There's nothing unique about Black people or the issues Africa is going through.

I agree, a European would never steal all the wealth of his own land, but then, European countries are actual countries. Nigeria is NOT a country.

There's no sense of patrotism or nationalism amongst the people within the nations borders. There's no commonality of thought, language, politics or any other vital ingredient a nation needs to thrive.

If you want to see Africa thrive then you must create REAL countries in Africa, like Botswana, which for over 25 years is the only nation on earth to record consistent growth. Thus making Botswana the best governed nation on the planet.

totit:
Lmao!!!!

Everything is flawed :I

God bless the SW the land of milk and honey.

If lying to yourself makes you feel better, then fine.

SW has a serious infrastructure deficit, with most of its populace living in slum-like conditions. That should be your primary concern. Not inaccurate statistics, less you become complacent. Or maybe, you're happy with the current predicament of your land?

YorubaHero12:
Then why are the southerners always tagging the North as the poverty capital all this while?

Then that means Borno might actually be richer than Imo state because the statistics that put Borno state below in NBS could be inaccurate since we need to sample 20% of the population like you said on your former post.

Infact going forward, everyone should not believe Nigeria is the poverty capital from the likes of agencies likes of World Bank coz they did not sample like 36 million of Nigeria population before reaching their conclusion.

Also, Buhari did not actually plunge the nation into poverty and he can also argue NBS need to sample several million of people in Nigeria before publishing the poverty statistics.

We might as well stop believing all data and start giving statistical data based on our wishful thinking!

Borno wasn't even calculated, in the statistics. It says it quite clearly, if you'd bothered to read it.

But that's beside the point. In the case of the South, where you actually have a working class, middle class and the rich. A larger sample size would obviously be more significant. A state like Borno, that pretty much only has poor and a small elite class - margin for error is going to be much smaller - but again, that's conjecture, and for the most part, based on eye service. The poverty is visible and glaring.

It's not a mystery, you can actually SEE who is living better. I don't know why you're trying to mystify things.

totit:
Employment stat

Employment stats

www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/694

Employment rates in Nigeria is calculated using the Labor Force Population, which is derived from Nigeria's flawed population figures. It's simply speculation.

Unlike in the UK, where everyone has a National Insurance Number, which the government can use to determine whether or not you're working.

It's flawed.

Stalwert:
I think you should first understand statistical methodology, you don't need to meet everyone to know their actual condition.

I understand the methodology, it's based on extrapolations, and of course, you don't need to meet everyone. In a country of 200 million people, that would be a gargantuan task. But you do need a significant sample size, if you want fairly accurate results.

The problem with a country like Nigeria, is that it doesn't have any way of keeping track of its population (for obvious reasons). So it can't determine the mean income of households in any given area without asking them (with surveys). In advanced countries, they can simply acquire such data, without having to ask you, and because they can do that, they're sample size covers, almost the entire population - excluding economically inactive peoples.

Adefatima:
Pele all because Igbo land was declared the poverty capital

No, because the statistics don't reflect reality. Any statistic that declares Igboland as a poverty capital is NOT credible.

Igbo people are NOT poor, that's not an opinion - it's a fact. A fact that EVERYONE in Nigeria knows. Including YOU.

Stalwert:
Lol when NBS said Nigeria was in a recession they all hailed it, when they said we have left recession they kicked against it. The same crowd have tribalised this report because it breaks their many falsehood and exposes the ingrained incompetence in the leaders they pretend are superior to others. Was I supprised by the survey report, yes but that doesn't mean I reject it because it defeated the lies and propaganda of some hateful people. even ordinary Kogi state had lower poverty level than 5 states of the SE, yet a certain hateful group called ipob prefer attacking Kogi Governor than holding their leaders to account. When we begin to understand that our primary concern should be how our states are being governed and holding our elected leaders to account instead of thinking we know what is better for others.

Measuring the size of the economy and collating statistical data on poverty, are two entirely different things.

It's easy to keep track on what Nigeria is earning, every quarter. But it's virtually impossible to determine how rich a populace is, if you are unable to keep track of the people within the country itself.

If you can't determine how many people in Ogun State have a job, because you don't really know how many people are actually in Ogun State. Then how can you know how many of them are poor?

Any sort of poverty statistics in Nigeria is going to be inaccurate, because Nigeria lacks a National Identification System (National Identification Card, National Insurance Number, Social Security etc).

It (Nigeria) has no way of identifying how many people are in the country and their current economic situation, i.e. whether they're in work, claiming benefits (which are nonexistent in Nigeria), taxation payments, household wealth etc...

In short, Nigeria's statistics on poverty are highly speculative; they're simply based on surveys, with a miniscule sample size. How can you extrapolate from 600 respondents in a state like Lagos that has 20 million people? Or in a place like Ogun State, which has over 4 million people in it? It's too small, ideally, you'd want to measure 20% of the populace, given the limitations, but surveying 40 million people is unreasonable.

In short, until Nigeria fully commits to its National Identification Card, you can forget about getting an accurate statistics on poverty in Nigeria. It's all speculation. Extrapolating from less than a fraction of the population is pointless.

The NBS statistics discredit themselves, by one simple decision. Sample data. The sample size is just over 20,000 people, which is a fraction of the Nigerian populace, whereas universally accepted standards is 20% of a nation's population. Which means, Nigeria's sample size should be at least 40 million people to get an accurate depiction of poverty around the country.

Additionally, the credibility of any nations statistical data is tied directly to its corruption perception index, USA and UK for example have several research bodies that all give contradicting results. Just look at the data on coronavirus. It's for this reason why Western nations and institutions, generally discredit or ignore statistical data from corrupt nations like Nigeria.

AgbariOjukwu1:
Still doesn't change the fact that South East is a poor region.

You're shameless. Everyone and their mother knows that Igboland is not poor. Those statistics is an example of the brazen corruption in the country.

ABlAstate:
Nigeria poverty map 2020. Check where your state stands.

Source: NBS

https://www.nairaland.com/5835109/sokoto-poorest-state-nigeria-nbs

Those are the Biafra agitation statistics. Since the movement has started to gain ground, Yoruba people have been working over time to deter Igbo people from leaving the country.

sarrki:
��POVERTY BY ZONE, 2019
(Average)

North East: 71.86%
~72/100 are poor.

North West: 64.84%
~65/100 are poor.

North Central: 42.70%
~43 in 100 are poor.

South East: 42.44%
~42/100 are poor.

South South: 20.17%
~21/100 are poor

South West: 12.12%
~12/100 are poor



Lalasticlala

So this place has only a 12% poverty rate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SyeBLN-Tg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUYY2Ur8z0

That level of blatant corruption can only work on Africans. In the Western World, they see it as laughable. In fact, when non-Africans talk about development in Nigeria, they acknowledge Igboland as the only region where actual development takes place. That's why Enugu was recognised as one of the worlds most resilient cities.

mrvitalis:
Lol anyone who has been to South West outside Lagos , south east n south south would know this is absolutely bullshit ....

Make una continue ...when we go back to regional government or saparate then we go know the truth

This is all about the Biafra movement gaining a lot of traction. It's obviously a ploy to dissuade Igbo people from wanting to leave Nigeria.

...

Misterdhee1:
Continue to dwell in wonderland. How many yorubas are in the east? You said yorubas aren't accommodating yet the larger potion of rich igbos were made in South West. Aren't you ashamed of your inconsistency? Stories abound on how unreceptive your people are to non-locals' success in your land, especially when it comes to purchase of Lands and properties. Do I begin to count the number of deaths that are recorded each year as a result of Igbo-hausa fights in the East? Even a non-conforming igbo person that practice Islam is seen as ndi hausa. Isn't that intolerance at its worst? What is even in the East that would make it a destination for any sound Yoruba?

If you don't know the importance of FDI to developing countries, then I can't help you.


You said Lagos personifies everything that's wrong with Nigeria, yeah. Yet, the state ranks above all states in most developmental indices. And yes, many igbo people living in Lagos arrived there 'yesterday.' If that's not the case, most of the Igbos' transport companies would have closed their offices. Lagos is a dreamland to most igbos. You can deny that fact all you want.

By government failure, are you including the failures of your leaders as well? Because it is habitual for igbos to never take responsibility. Best of luck bining that habit when you guys get your Biafra.

South West was by far the most developed region during regionalism. And yes it was all down to the ingenuity of the locals then, under a visionary leadership. I understand how much you guys overestimate the importance of your 4*4 shops littered all over Lagos. But when the time is right, and biafra becomes a reality, you guys will understand how badly your tribe depends on others to achieve any success.

Btw, you are yet to answer my question.

Is this what you call accommodating?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDL0ujXsAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXaDmPluWUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRU8aKiavvg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j53IT7Gk_a8

Misterdhee1:
Migration is a human thing. There are equally more yorubas in UK than Igbos and probably as many igbos as yoruba in USA. Migration is based on individual preferences. There are still millions of igbos at home, isn't that the case? Kill trade, and watch the larger part of igbos struggle for breath.

Igbos are able to achieve so much in Lagos because the governing policies and the location provide an enabling environment for any willing trader. And theres representation across Nigeria in the state because of this, it's not solely an igbo thing. Smart northerners are making it, same as smart individuals from other regions. Do you think Lagos would have such level of tolerance for non-local investors if it was based in the EAST? Best of luck answering that question when you guys get your biafra.

The question is how come there's so much thirst for foreign lands (with arguably lesser potentials compared to what's obtainable in the east according to comments on this thread) when you guys could easily develop your individual states by tapping into the "massive potentials" that have been highlighted so far in the thread? Is the FG to blame for that? In simple terms, you guys are accusing Nigeria as the reason why you guys prefer the potentials in Kano and Lagos to the potentials in Owerri and Aba. Is that not insanity?

The only difference between you guys and fulanis is just the level of education and exposure. An average igbo man is as intolerant, unaccommodating to his host and domineering as a Fulani man. If given the free will, you guys will prefer to rule over every community you find yourselves while your states remain inhabitable with conditions as bad as IDP camps. No wonder NK is able to attract so many hapless youths from your villages.

Name a country that has ever developed through FDI?

Why are you so fixated on whoring yourself out to the highest bidder. If the SW is to develop, it'll be at the hands of the locals. Not McDonalds or Burger King.

There's nothing special about Lagos. Lagos as a city, personifies EVERYTHING that is wrong with Nigeria. It exists, as is, solely as a result of government failure, failure to leverage the full potential of the country. So spread development throughout the entire country. Open up ports across the entire Nigerian coast, intrench itself (government) in every area of the country. Most of the Igbo people in Lagos, didn't arrive yesterday. Many arrived before and just after the Nigerian Civil War. The Igbo presence in Lagos is as a result of the actions of non-Igbo people, not this ridiculous notion of sound economic policies - unless you think bottlenecking your own economy, is smart.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Nigeria ranks fairly low, in the area of Ease of Business. So again, you're wrong. And there's nothing particular accommodating about SW people, if this forum is anything to go by.

Igbo people are easily the most accommodating in Nigeria. Do you know why? Because despite Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani presence in our lands, you NEVER hear of any incidents. Not so long ago, Yoruba and Hausa people were killing each other on the streets of Lagos - you call that accommodating?

Olddirtywizard:
We are mostly engaged in fantasy here so I won't waste my time and yours on back and forth. SE as constituted within Nigeria's geographical map has no access to sea. But Igbo as a group is bigger than SE, and ethnic nationality supersedes geography anyway so I do believe Igbo have access to sea.

Why do you think the multinational in SW will fold up?

Because market share will decrease the moment SW becomes a sovereign entity, and multinationals only care about profits.

Benevento:
Are you okay, that picture is new York times square, I used it because you Igbos resort to mocking Ibadan with brown roofs as if everywhere in your potopoto republic is made of Gold.

Ancient buildings are everywhere.

Which ibo city is more developed than ibadan.?

This is Ibadan at street level:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS-Ymvyen38

Compare that to Owerri:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYgbk2WvmeQ&feature=emb_title

Olddirtywizard:
Ultimately, all is capable of forming a country, afterall Nigeria is also a country. Stability and prosperity are entirely a different thing.

To the extent that SW, NW and SE are somewhat homogeneous, I think they will have a measure of political stability. NE, NW and SS will have problems on that front. It is tendency of ethnically-diverse states to be politically unstable which is even the case with Nigeria as presently constituted (except a miraculous constitution is made to mitigate intra-domination or domineering tendencies). It is the Nigerian state that imposes what looks like an order on those regions-SS,NC,NE-- and once it ceases to exist, it will be free for all there. I don't even think we can have an independent SS republic as it is. The Edo and Isekiri for instance are not exactly aligned with Efik and Ikwerri on anything. While both could live with Nigeria as it is, I am not too sure they could be subservient to one another. Numerous ethnic nationalities of almost equal strength meant all would make a move to exert control where permitted or out-rightly impose their will by force. Issues like revenue allocation formula, where capital city is located, census and population and the nature of the state and government would be difficult to resolve. What I forsee is a degeneration to war within few years after such independence is achieved or proclaimed--a la what happened to Nigeria itself, south sudan etc. A more realistic scenario is SS would balkanize into several units with some ultimately move to join SE, some form an independent state, and some could even move to join SW. What is true of SS is true of NC. There is no common solidarity theme that could unite them. Kwara and Kogi are as different from Nasarawa and Plateau in ethnic composition and religious inclinations. What I forsee is a tendency for Kogi and Kwara where possible to tilt more towards SW than stay in a NC state where they are not masters of their destinies. Benue could even move to join SE. Bold initiatives like IPOB call for referendum, SW's Amotekun etc could only come from cohesive regions. Things like that are difficult to implement is a region like SS or NC where it could easily be sabotaged. The case against NE is religious devision. Religious division is often easy to manage within the same ethnicity (Yoruba for instance) since you can project ethnic nationalism as common theme. But once it involves two or more ethnic groups, there is a tendency for one to dominate the other and unless a miraculous constitution is fashioned to address it, such a union is doomed.

Realistically, I think part of NC will join SW, and part of SS could end up joining SW too. Similarly, part of SS will join SE and part of NC could end up joining SE too. Part of NC and NE will join NW, while the remaining units could form independent states. In other words, there won't be a NC or SS republic anticipated by many folks.

On economic front, SW, SE and NW will do better than the rest. A country dissolution would not miraculously create another Lagos in the north or even in the south. Much same way, one won't leave better opportunities in Lagos for fantasy elsewhere. Patriotism or ethnic loyalty does not pay the bills. If Lagos-Ibadan and Lagos-ogun rails could be completed and maintained, then development could spread faster to SW hinterlands and that could give them a head start over other regions. Plus, these regions have top notch universities, reasonable and sizable industrial base with one of the best seaports in the region. So, developing manpower and engaging in trades with rest of the world will be a bit easier than other two region. SE will have access to the sea through states from SS that joined them and could take charge of its destinies too. NW will find it tough since it will be effectively landlock, with no reasonable or competitive manpower and lack of industrial base. Fate is not fatal, so if it manages to have a good leader, things could turn around.

My money really will be on SW because of existing infrastructure within the region, relatively educated populace, sizable industrial base and peaceful disposition. Put someone in the mold of Fasola in charge, and the region could be radically different within two decades. SE will compete but extent of its success is dependent on adjoining states that allow access to sea. If the relationship is not well managed, it could even impede SE's development strides. SW advantage, really, seems to be self sufficiency in most critical things that could allow her to call the bluff of adjoining states that wanted to join it or not.

This of course assumes the dissolution would be peaceful. Otherwise, you may have NW holding on to NC by force or it could be a fight to finish where the seemingly standing regions razed to the ground with the backwaters having a head start . And honestly, I don't think Nigeria can dissolve peacefully so we are mostly engaged in fantasy here.

The South-East already has access to the sea; so it doesn't need the South-South for that. Moreover, the success of a nation, isn't dependant on weather or not it can access the sea. There are tons of countries in Africa with sea access that are dirt poor. It's the people that determine the success of a country. And Igboland, without a doubt has the most capacity - it isn't even up for debate.

Igboland as a country, would have a large indigenous industrial base, much larger than anywhere else in Nigeria. Most of the industries, if not all of them, in the South-West are multinationals, which means, they are likely to fold up, in the event of a Nigeria split.

I don't see why the South-West will be any better than Benin, as a country by itself. If you look at most of the states in the South-West, and then travel to Benin, you won't see much of a difference, in terms of development, infrastructure etc.

Benevento:
I repeat if Ibadan is a slum then iboland should be for for animals, because the word slum is too big for ibo cities.

Abeokuta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwae0R4gwhs

Owerri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVpPGdosVE&t=292s

Let everyone be the judge.