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Nigeria is the only country in the world that thinks it can end a secessionist MOVEMENT using physical violence.

Donshegxy10:
winning election is based on strategising, making aliances and pressing the right button.

Peter obi does not have a solid structure politically, as a candidate, he may not even win in the east because he is not loved there.

Despite buhari huge following in the north, he still lost elections before he eventually made the right move.

Buhari won because of the Yoruba vote. He won in the North in virtually every election he contested, but wasn't able to garner any support in the South until APC was formed and Buhari was plucked out of retire, not because a Buhari government would be best for the country, but because Tinubu wanted to use Buhari for his own political ambitions.

Nigerians are not serious about building a prosperous country.

Golan007:
Sure you are.

Sure I am.

Valkrie:
The issue with IVM vehicles is that their engine sound like knocked vehicle engine...not pleasant to the ear at all and not smooth. They need work on their vehicle to meet international standard...!!

Instead of partnering with china why not go with Japan or Germany who have good quality products...!!

IVM is trying but they need to do more...Nigeria people eye too tear for their kind of vehicles...!!!

Well, buy them, then they'll improve. Do you think Japanese products started, where they are now?

Golan007:
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Are you not supporting him because he is igbo?

Hypocrite.

No, I'm supporting him for the reasons I mentioned. There are many potential Igbo candidates, that I would NEVER support, condone or recommend.

Peter Obi would be the most qualified and decorated president Nigeria has ever had, by a country mile. It's a joke comparing him to Tinubu. But we all know Nigeria; they don't vote based on who will elevate their lives. They vote based on which "tribe" a man is from. So they can jump up and down and say their guy is in power, while complaining about "no roads, no electricity, no..." until their lunges bursts.

The Lagos government should patronise NOORD, why don't they?

SlyDev:
Google them and stop pretending

Nigerian assemblers...come on, tell me? Because in Igboland, Innoson is the only one I'm aware of.

SlyDev:
Car assembly sector should not be controlled by Innoson alone, for a tribe that understands the negative effect of monopoly, they should retract their steps and allow government to patronise other car assemblers

Which other car assemblers?

BKayy:
Mtcheww... Nkọgheri.

Yorubas complain of their kids born in Lagos (their supposedly backyard) not knowing how to speak Yoruba. Especially those born in high brow areas of Lagos.

Remember "Mummy Calm Down" kid? The biggest concern of the Yoruba nationalists in the video was the ability of the kid to speak fluent Yoruba.
... and that was in Lagos, So don't tell me nonsense

Well, they need to come to terms with the reality, that Yoruba is not a nation, Nigeria is, and it's multi-ethnic and multicultural. And as long as it exists as a nation, there will be a toll, on all ethnic groups that live within its borders. If Biafra comes into being, then you can talk about these things, but for now, you're speaking in direct contradiction with reality.

BKayy:
Don't play that card. It doesn't work on Ndigbo any longer.
If those Efulefu in Lagos decided not to learn Igbo, then we have no option than to consider them lost.

The Igbo nation have passed the stage of blackmail. Once they step into Igboland or any Igbo affair outside Igboland, they will be reminded without remorse that they are Efulefus. People with no nation.

It's about needs. Despite popular beliefs, there aren't that many Igbo people living outside of Igboland. So learning Igbo is rendered almost pointless, by the mere fact that you'll rarely, if ever, use the language, outside of your immediate household.

There are far more Yoruba migrants; just come to the UK, and in the USA, they now outnumber Igbo people.

Coldie:
Nigerians don’t like themselves and they are expecting other Africans to like them?

What’s the difference between what other Africans are doing to Nigerians to what Nigeria is doing to the Igbo tribe

Africans are a very jealous people, that's one thing that is consistent across the length and breadth of the continent.

jmoore:
I will not follow the pattern of victim mentality. What are Igbos doing to fight against vote apathy? Let Igbos do their homework first.

What does that have to do with anything? I refuted your ridiculous claim that Igbos don't vote for Northerners, when they do. So if a Northerner refuses to vote for a Igbo candidate, it's not because of any action or inaction of Igbo people.

The same reigns true for Yoruba people and South-South people. Throughout Nigeria's miniscule history, Igbo people have shown a willingness to support all groups, irrespective of their region, ethnicity or religion. The same cannot be said for others when it concerns Igbo people. Which is why I concluded, that Nigeria would inevitably collapse, if non-Igbo's refuse to embrace Igbos as Nigerians. That's not me playing the victim, it's simple logic.

The only thing keeping Nigeria together right now, are hopes and dreams.

jmoore:
Yar'Adua is from Kenya?

The North not "wanting" to vote for a Igbo candidate, irrespective of what Igbo people do, is the very reason why Nigeria will eventually cease to exist. Right now, the only thing keeping Igbo people in Nigeria are the political elite. If an Igbo person is not elected president, everyone in Igboland, including all the politicians will give up on Nigeria.

Chimaokigwe:
I said Buhari, you're talking about Yar'Adua. Azikiwe Jonathan was also voted for by the North. So, 1-1.

Even at that, during Yar'Adua's time, Kanu wasn't in the mix. So, the ethnic relationships have been altered. If you are still relying on previous sentiments as being valid today, I'll just laugh and move on.

Kanu was very much in the mix when Igbos voted for Atiku.

Chimaokigwe:
Igbos didn't vote Buhari. I don't know how Igbos expect Northerners to vote an Igbo candidate.
With Kanu in the mix, it is a near impossibility.

Igbos voted for Atiku, he's from the North. And they voted for Yar'adua, he's from the North, and he's Fulani. Igbo's didn't vote for Buhari because they felt he was unqualified for the job, not because he's a Northerner. Fast forward to today and it's the North suffering the most from their own choice.

DuwaRepublic:
Attaché by force

This is what igbo people do tho, hire one of them they stop hiring people indigenous to that area, they’ll only hire igbos like them to occupy the positions, until they’ve filled up all the entire top positions, then they’ll start claiming indigenous status in a foreign land.

He's on his own, never heard any Igbo person make such a claim. It's just the "we're all one" mantra, which comes across, as you said it, attach by force, even though in this particular situation, it wouldn't make sense. Why would Igbo people want to attach themselves to Benin people?

All the ethnic groups in Nigeria are the same in that regard. Edo people look out for their own, Fulani do the same, Yoruba do the same, it's just more impactful when Igbo people do it, because we're more successful than the other groups. But that doesn't make it any different. Not so long ago, an Edo woman was complaining about Igbo people not taking on non-Igbo apprentices. So it's a different rule for Igbo people.

OreMI22:
I need to buy you a bottle of Hero beer! One thing about the Igbo person is that he/she desperately wants to be accepted as a "Nigerian" if there is any true word as "Nigerian". However, whether they pretend or are genuinely ignorant about what Nigeria truly is about, they will all get the same treatment by Nigeria.GUARANTEED!
So it is better to understand Nigeria and act according to the realities than play ostrich all the time.

Igbos are the only ones that carry the "One-Nigeria" mantra on their head like a burden that has been killing them. Nollywood practically started in Iweka road, Onitsha and Pound Road, Aba with the early movies such as living in bondage, Nneka the pretty serpent, etc. The Yorubas quickly set up their own "Nollywood" in Lagos and the north quickly set up its own version in Kano. Shockingly, the Igbos decided that they needed to "UNITE" Nollywoods and moved theirs to Lagos and started the English movies! The Yorubas used their money and Infrastructure to set up another specific Yoruba movies version in Ibadan, while Igbos were still too ashamed to continue Igbo language movies like Living in Bondage that gave them fame in the first instance! They said that they didn't want to make "Igbotic" movies. Whatever that meant. In time, those tactless Igbos seeking a "UNITED Nigerian Nollywood" have gradually learned that there is nothing "Nigerian" that can survive or have support from other tribes.

It is the same thing that they did to some Igbo Musicians that thought that if they sang in Yoruba language or English, somehow those people will not remember that they are Igbo. Well, such idiocy! None of those musicians exist today. It is the artists that understood their audience and understood that in Nigeria, it is only your people that will promote you first before others will appreciate you. So they sang mostly in the Igbo language that are still around today and doing very well. All the "One Nigeria" artists that preferred singing in strange languages than their own have all been liquidated.

Anywhere in the world, what I have written here will be considered extreme nationalism and distasteful. But Nigeria is not a normal place. It is a place where people ask your name and your parent's tribe before they decide if your art is good or not. Those "Lagos" Igbos and others that would like to play the ostrich and pretend that what has been said here is untrue should continue to delude themselves. From knocking down their houses and markets in Lagos to other practices they have faced, I am just glad that some of them are beginning to smell the coffee and understand the true nature of the space called Nigeria. That is just the bitter truth. They can continue to ignore it at their own peril.

It's the fear of domination, no one wants to be dominated, and that's how they interpret Igbo actions. Moving to Lagos to establish a movie industry, the other ethnic groups, namely Yoruba people, would see it as an attempt to dominate. That's why they quickly established their own one, likewise in the North.

That's all the "other" groups think, when they see Igbo people making moves. Domination, Domination, Domination. It's that same mindset that drives them to knock down properties belonging to Igbo people.

That's the problem you're faced with when you have forced unions, ethnic groups that are very dissimilar from one another, living together in a single entity. The reality is, all men aren't created equally, and it's that same fear that's been the bedrock of the Nigerian mindset.

The only solution is capitulation, for Yoruba people to allow Igbo people to control everything within their domain or for Northerners to allow Igbo people to run all the businesses and control all of the wealth of their land. But we know that's NEVER going to happen.

P.S. Naturally, Igbo people would be "more" Nigerian than everyone else, because we stand to benefit more from that thinking. We're overwhelmingly the entrepreneurs, the business men and women. The builders, the traders, etc... and so, other regions within Nigeria would be looked at as fertile grounds. New lands to generate wealth and profits, at the expense of its current inhabitants (at least, that's how our actions will/would be interpreted).

LegendHer0:
Check this list of Yorubas in Hollywood thread. We are talking about people that won Grammies on multiple occasions, athletes in the USA hall of fame, and etc and you’re here taking about some imaginary famous Igbo actors according to you that are not A-list in their game.

Almost over 80+ of those Yorubas in Hollywood are listed on he thread below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6000583/50-hollywood-european-stars-yoruba

This discussion is about US demographics, not which ethnic group is the best. Most of the people in that list you posted, are not American. You just read something, and interpreted it the way you wanted.

How does JME or Skepta, two individuals born in England, prove there are more Yoruba people in America?

LegendHer0:
Bro, while you might be honest about this based on personal perception, but it is a blatan lie because the Igbos have consistently claimed that they outnumber the Yorubas in population in the USA. It has everything to do with the Yorubas. So stop feigning ignorance. Ask yourself why Igbos on this thread have been fighting to call this fake if not because it’s that Yoruba outnumber them. That’s your clue.

I don't see very many Igbo people on this thread. Ultimately, it isn't particularly important. I've just never heard any one speak about Igbo people in reference to Yoruba people, when talking about USA. What I have heard however, is the generally held belief that Nigerians in the UK are predominately Yoruba and that Igbo people live mostly in the US.

Well countless Igbos have conceded to me that the Yorubas are far more successful than them in USA. I’ve lost count. I will give you an example.

When I was still doing my masters back then, I attended NSBE conference then and usually companies come to recruit black engineers by accepting resumes and some times grant on-site interview. You have the fortune 50 companies clearly represented and the interviewers always wear their name tag. Out of all those guys that came, nearly 65% of them are Yorubas, the rest black Americans or other African countries. My Igbo friend that followed me did not know when he voiced out that omo you Yorubas are so successful and he’s asking what is the secret. I’m talking about Apple, Microsoft, Visa, Amazon, and etc. The reason why you have such population being sent is because it’s a black engineer event and normally companies sent black employee to interview people.

Yes, Yoruba's are wonderful people.

What about in corporate America itself, you Igbos know Yorubas are not your mate, forget all this Nairaland chestbeating, ask any of your Igbo guys here and they will attest to this fact. I’m telling you the Yorubas have billion $$ companies in USA, you’re saying rubbish.

Why are you trying so desperately to convince me of something that you and I both know is not true. Igbo people are the most successful Nigerian ethnic group - that is a fact. It doesn't mean Yoruba's are lazy or don't have anything. Just accept it...biko.

Well the North Side of America are doing far better than the confederate south before the civil war and yet the North still fought tooth and nail to keep the South as part of the union. So your argument here hold no water.

The reason why the power that be are not letting the Igbos go is because of crude oil in ND. If any part of Nigeria breaks, whether Ijaw, Igbo, Yoruba, or Hausa, then the rest of the unit break and the sweet crude oil money derived from the South South people will be lost. That is the reason.

The reason why Nigerians won't let Igbo people go, is because they fear what a Nigeria would look like without its engine (Igbo people).

Commentor:
Hakeem Olajuwon, Adetokumbo, Oladipo.

David Oyelowo, Rotimi Akinosho.

Heavy hitters.

Rotimi Akinosho is half Igbo...lmao. But anyway David Oyelowo is from the UK and Giannis is from Greece. We're talking about American citizens.

plaindealer:
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where you go, the UK or the US, there are more Yoruba people than Igbo people in the UK and in the US, period, full stop. No need for self-denial or endless argument and essays. Accept facts from the US government and let it go.

Wasn't that my argument. I said there are more Yoruba people in America. As I've said in the past, Igbo people are just more visible, that's why people assume there are more of us.

LegendHer0:
More successful in what in the USA if I may ask? Beside sports which Igbos play like the USA football and basketball what else? The main reason why Igbos always claim USA is because the Yorubas have an edge in the Uk so they naturally use the argument that Ibos are in USA and Yoruba are in UK. They also use the argument of Azikiwe and how Igbo people value USA more than UK hence they are more. That’s where the propaganda started.

—In politics in USA, the Yorubas are more successful than the Igbos.
—In Entertainment in USA, the Yorubas are more successful.
—In Eduvation, the Yorubas far outnumbers the Igbo in universities across USA and that is a fact!
—In the Tech industry, the Yorubas in USA have two unicorn companies in USA which is worth over $3billion dollar. Calendly and one other one. I’ll update when I remember the other one name.
—In corporate America, the Yorubas are very well the most represented tribe in Nigeria. Check the company Skype/Employee profile of any corporate American company, you will see the Yorubas outnumber other Nigerian ethnicity.
—In the food restaurant industry, using ATL for example, you will see more Yoruba styled restaurants than those of igbos. I’m sure that’s how it will be in other states.

I kinda like you tho, you at least find another excuse and did not call the data on this thread Fake, So we are getting somewhere.

Lastly, please answer the question, how are the Igbos in USA more successful than the Yorubas? Also know that, I Legendhero always validate claims so if you think you can lie to me, you are wasting your time.

There are more Igbo people in USA than in the UK, that's why Igbo people "claim" America. It has nothing to do with Yoruba people; we're not thinking about Yoruba people when we make that statement.

When it comes to the issue of success, I'll only accept what you do and not what you write. Yoruba people concede that Igbo people are more successful than them. I mean, I've had countless Yoruba people say it to me.

Whether that reality makes you feel comfortable or not is not my problem. It's your problem; you need to get over yourself. Yoruba people are doing alright, but if you really believed you were "better" than Igbo people, just like Northerner's, you'd be living in your own Odua Republic now.

nisai:
More successful how

In general, I can think of more famous Nigerian American actors, footballer players, basketball players etc, that are Igbo, than I can of those who are Yoruba.

Philipponzaghi:
Chai, where did people now see the notion that the Igbos are the largest Nigerian ethnic groups in the USA and that the Yorubas are the largest in UK?

Like I always say, any sane thinking person living in USA will know the Yorubas are the largest West African Ethic group in the USA, they are clearly represented in universities, corporate America, African Restaurants, Self-Owned businesses and etc.

I am glad this data is straight from the USA government Census Bureau website, so this is an objective truth.

There's more of them, I'm not sure about any of the other stuff you've written. When we think of Nigerian-American representation, we very rarely see Yoruba people, which is why people assume there isn't very many of them.

That said, this has always been my line of reasoning. That Igbo people are just more visible (not more numerous), because on average we're more successful.

oyatz:
You wrote out of ignorance sir.

1) IGR also include taxes collected from self-employed residents of each State.
Taxes are leveled on markets which are collected by the traders associations and added up to be remitted to their States' Gov't.



2) Who told you that almost everyone in the S/west are Gov't workers?
All the people working with Osun State Gov't for instance aren't upto 20,000 compared to a population of over 5 million residents.

Do you know the number of quarries in Osun State alone? Do you know how many tonnes of timbers & planks, Kolanuts and palm oil that leave Osun State every week, to be sold in the North?

Do you know the volume of trade along the international borders in Ogun and Oyo States?

I know it does, that's why I pointed out that Nigeria is undertaxed, and as I said before, Igbo business owners rarely pay tax. This is not conjecture, unlike the things you've written.

Virtually every state in the SW is heavily in debt. Unlike in the SE, where even the poorest state owes very little, and that's because of the private sector, which is more developed in the SE than any of the other regions.

History555:
If hausas says he wants to leave nigeria no body will beg him to stay or start telling him the disadvantages.

If yorubas say they want to leave nigeria no body will beg him to stay or start telling him the disadvantages

If middle belt says the want to leave nigeria no body will beg him to stay or start telling him the disadvantages

But once lgbo man says he wants to leave nigeria everyone starts begging him, telling him the disadvantages, online media cows start opening threads wailing and lamenting, print media starts wailing, politicians in other regions start wailing.

Now you know which region is very important.

That's why 120 persons are killed in sokoto on oct 13 and no body talked about it but let one lgbo man die and you will see 39 threads, 120,000 comments on it

In the context of Nigeria, IGR means nothing, as a nation that's criminally undertaxed where most Igbo people work for themselves (as self-employed), it makes sense that the SE would have a low IGR. In the North, the overwhelming majority of its working populace, work in the public sector, that's where, I'm sure the bulk of its IGR is coming from, the same is true in the SW.

oyatz:
Excuse me sir, the topic is not about oil or payment of salaries and if everyone rely on oil to pay salaries ,why is the S/East performing poorly in this Statistics on IGR?

IGR is low in the SE because most Igbo people are self-employed and pay next to no tax.

Unlike in less developed states where everyone works in the public sector. That's why the SW, for example, struggled during the lockdowns in 2020, because almost everyone works in the public sector. Whereas in Anambra, Obiano removed all tax payments for the entire year. Because Anambra has a private sector led economy.

IGR is just revenue derived from tax. It doesn't reflect the wellbeing of the people.

IGR is low in the SE because most Igbo people are self-employed and pay next to no tax.

warripekin:
As much as I am against IPOB's no election strategy, what's NEF own consigning the matter. They should focus their attention on terrorism ravaging the north instead of what IPOB does or not. Terrorists whom they prefer to call bandits, killed a woman's son in ABU after taking a 50 million naira ransom from her just last week.These bandits are already in Abuja and are already maiming and killing helpless citizens. The solution to the merriad of problems plaquing Nigeria calls for dialogue, openness and fairness. Nigeria is still redeemable but we must be sincere with our selves and must be willing to toe the line of Justice, equity and fairness.

Under this administration, expect things to get worse. Is it redeemable, well that depends. But for now, I wouldn't hold my breath. This is what happens when you elect a bigoted half-wit. Instead of a technocrat.

Charmingrascal:
I am not Igbo but the harassment of Chinwetalu Agu got me really furious.

Do you have to be Igbo to care about another Nigerian? This is the issue with Nigeria, especially those who pretend to love Nigeria or are for its unity.