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Sagamite:
"DaGrin's last moment, how he really Dead"

And no one spotted that ON THE COVER before print.

Nigerian journalists, daft foools. *Shakes head*

Nigeria as a whole is JOKE,,,Just mention one thing that is not a joke in Nigeria,,,

davmor:
Arround 4.42 yestday @ Living Faith Church, Winners' Chapel, Onitsha. Our Daddy Dr. Bishop David Oyedepo stormed Onitsha with a Jeep filled with blessings and lots of good wishes. Ask to explain about Jeep, because I was standing right in the front of the gate where it happened; or have you heard about it? Discus if you have. Papa is blessed!

This how craze dey take start,,,

Na so craze dey take start ooo,,,God help us from these people wey dey mis-interpret the Bible ooo

@Poster,,,what is the difference btw salary and income?? Asides stop deluding urself,,many Pastors re into the business because of tithe/offering,,,,,,
I can't cast my vote because the options re inconclusive

@tensor777 and Pennywise  

Nigeria has 74Million poor people

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/28042009/news/othernews2.html

Nigeria 4th worst in medical system in the world

This how far I can go with my search here,,,,I have to go now, if you re not satisfied with the fact that more than 74Million people re poor as even declared by a Nigerian official,,,I will continue in my search latter for that of the minister of productivity and labour

tensor777:
^^
I don't know who you are or where you get your ludicrous figures from. Does Nigeria have up to 70 million youths of working age?
What exactly are you on about?

That is the problem we have as Nigerians,,,You really don't ihave to know me,,,,am not the minister for Labour and productivity,,,,You re asking me if Nigeria has 70Million youth,,,the proper question to ask is if Nigeria as a country knows her population size??
If you re very conversant with NL,,,you must have seen that post here,,,and a quick search of topics so far posted would help you,,,,I will do the serach here and repost it,,,
I love Nigeria more than anyone of you posting here,,,but the truth is when you re been criticised,,,what you should look at is not whether the person criticising you is ur enemy or friend,,,rather you should be concerned with whether what the person is saying is true or false,
That Nigeria has the potential to be great does not translate to it been great at the moment,,,as far as am concerned now,,,NIGERIA is not a serious country the way its been runned,,,

Pennywise:
The state of the roads and other infrastructural challenges have been with us for a long time. You cannot undo overnight the damage of what essentially has been an undeclared war against the south by the Northern powers that be through the military. The economy through the limited deregulation we have had at the center has imparted positively in the lives of many.
Now if you remain fixated on the bad roads and rubbish of the kind bbc feeds you it will be impossible for you to see the wonderful things that people like Fashola, Ohakim etc are doing.
The economy is growing (the proffessionals will tell you that), dozens of Nigerian diasporans are coming back home (or is this bad judgement). We still have policy challenges but the life of the average Nigerian has improved empirically.

 You re a LIER and probably worst than the Politicians destroying Nigeria,,,Is it a country that the Minister for Labour and productivity recently admitted that over 70Million Nigerian youths re unemployed that their lives have improved,,,The truth is that we don't have to be blindly patriotic,,,lets call a spade a spade,,,

@Deb abd Fant,,, Both you guys seriuosly need help,,,My prayers for you both is that you would know the TRUTH someday and the truth shall set you FREE from the bondage of Men of God,,,,If Oyedepo said it was personal visitation,,,which I personally would respect,,,why in the world should he go to Jonathan to divulge his findings,,,and days after Oyedepo went to Jonathan,,,,Jonathan made it clear that the reports of the so called cleric should not be taken seriuosly,,,can you ever imagine that??
Moreso,,Do you know before any of those Clerics were invited,,,Pastor Tunde Bakare had been invited to see Yaradua but he turnde it down,,,That is a man that has integrity,,,I have been saying this for years now,,,There just three(3) Pastors in Nigeria,,,,,Pastor Tunde Bakare,,Kumuyi and others(Oyedepo and co)

Also done with organised,packaged,repackaged and distributed Christianity,,,

frosbel:
There is an adage which says 'A leopard cannot change its spots'.
Can our leaders shed their corrupt ways.
Alas all out talk, discussions, lamentations are falling on deaf ears.
These politicians are hell bent on destroying the country.
But wait ! It could be that the white man is behind this

So true,,its the whiteman that also asked them stach the money away into foreign accounts!!

The truth is that ; its only a weak minded person that would always look for who to blame for his failures. The hallmark of RESPONSIBILITY is accepting responsibility for ones failures or success alike.
People have continually blamed the whitemen for Nigerias persistent problem since independence,,forgetting that there re other countries out there who had white colonialist just like Nigeria,,,and they ve since moved on to greater heigths,,,
Do we want to blame the whiteman for Yardua's situation? or do we want to blame the whiteman for the June 12 imbroglio that saw the cancelling or annulment of the only free and fair election ever held in nigeria,,,May be we also want to blame the whitemen and women who supported and voted for a Black man over a white man in the USA,,,,
The sad truth is that,,,the BLACK man all over the world cannot manage themselves,,,Furthermore,,,we could also blame the white man for the insightful statement of Gadafi,,,,
I personally would love Nigeria to be one,,,but being one,,,the country must be RE-DEFINED,,,if the country can not find any reason to be as one,,,then what is the need wasting time trying to be one,,,You don't need a white man to figure this out!!

Beaf:
Brilliant article.
When I was a kid, one of my uncles who is very successful used to advise us to be suspicious of anybody that seemed religious. As an adult, I have come to see the wisdom in those words, because overly religious people fall neatly into two camps;
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[li]Lazy (mentally and physically)[/li]
[li]Evil conmen[/li]
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Not surprisingly, the above two factors define todays Nigeria.

If you think the Article is a brillliant,,,I want to say too here that you just gave a very brilliant summary of the Nigerian Church and state,,,My joy is that a whole lot of people re becoming wiser by the day,,,Religion is not only the OPIUM of the people but its also one of the most WICKED INVENTIONS or CREATION by men,,,,and its so sad that there is a whole lot of these in todays Penterascals Fellowship of Nigeria

blissieng:
It is well!
Only FOOLS doubt proofs.
Me, I've seen this thing work and it works GREAT! Like I said to each his own, Salvation is a personal race afterall.
Is it christlike to slander a man of God whether or not you think he's doing God's work?

The question is not about slandering,,,when the Bible told us on the last days that there would be MANY false prophets and even the very ELECT if they re not very very careful they too can be deceived by the boastful gluttonous sweet mouthed of these false teachers,,,
Did you not read in ur Bible where JESUS went to the synagogue and saw people trading and merchandising in the house of God,,,and Jesus destroyed all their merchandise,,,Haven't you heard or read about the barean christian in the Bible??Now let me tell you a story;
Joel Ostein is popular preacher in the USA,,,he once made a wrong unscriptural statement on CNN,,,his church members held him to ransom that he should go to same media to refute that statement,,and he did,,,tell me how many of ur Nigerian pastors would or can do that? As a result of the incessant complains here on NL,,RCCG Head quarters were forced to make certain unscriptural statements on their websites,,,,
Many of the truths being discussed here on NL are actually been assessed by these so called men of God or their agents,,,Not quite long ago,,Pastor Tunde Bakare who happens to be one of the few Nigerian pastor I respect,,,granted an interview to a magazine in nigeria,,,,and almost all the views that Kunleosho has been emphasising here on NL were strongly UPHELD by Tunde Bakare,,,
If you must be sincere to urself,,,open ur eyes clearly and see,,,

blissieng:
Like I said to each his own.
I'd ask if you were a christian, but that'll be wasting my time as well as yours.

There is no point beating around the bush,,,The truth is that I became a Christian before you did,,,Its only if you became a christian before 1989 that you probably would ve been a christian before me.
Beyond that,,you raised issue about Bill Gates,,,ve you found out the truth yet Pls be humble enough to post or comment on the truth if you eventually find it out.
Furthermore,, Let me tell you that I was once in ur situation; its called unguarded zeal,,,which ultimately results to superfluity of nautiness,,thereby,,making you susceptible to manipulation.Much more than that,,,I can clearly state that I knew,met and had been under Oyedepo's teaching before you did,,except if you knew him before 1990,,,My very first contact with Oyedepo was at Airport Hotel 1990,,,where he debut his prosperity message tagged "Breakthrough Seminar",,,
Whether am a Christian or not is strictly ur own business to crack!!!

chosen04:
Keep deceiving yourself
Gideon Okar did not die for Nigeria. He laid down his life fighting for the liberation of his middle belt people from the criminal north.
I can do same for my people. But i can never do same for the curse called Nigeria

You just made me laugh so hard that my head had to hit the wall,,,,You re damn too funny!!!

blissieng:
you sure it was bill Gate who gave half his fortune to charity? or SOMEONE else gave half his fortune to bill Gate's charity? I'll leave you to do find out who the somebody is, since u r so wise.
@topic,
I'd say to each his own. we'll know who was silly when we stand to give accord before God. As for me, I'd rather live a life that'll get me safe than sorry.

This one clear example why people like you can be so easily manipulated,,,If you can prove to me that anybody gave Bill Gates half of his fortune to Gates I will stop posting here,,,You have the internet facility search the reason why Bill Gates drop from being the richest man in the world??
Madam wise(celebrating men),,,if you re thinking of Warren Buffet,,,you re so wrong,,,he never at anytime gave half of his fortune to Gates,,

blissieng:
Can I just say well done to people who have tried to make these people see sense. Well done o.
God has blessed these men, and if you like cry, whoever God has blessed is blessed indeed. Even the devil himself can't do jack about it
2) If you think it's easy to talk a poor man to drop a penny, open your own church if God didn't call you, and see if you won't become wise in a sec.
3) Bishop Oyedepo has been a giver and is still a giver, dangerous giver at that. And we all know we reap what we sow.
4) The ministry wasnt always this successful, during those day nobody said anything o. Bishop Oyedepo was steadfast, trusting God, and God being God that is a covenant keeper has rewarded him greatly.
5) No matter what you do, you'll always get those ones who are way over themselves. And also the poor will always be in our midst, no matter what.
6) You guys should really direct your criticism at the government. Nigerian Gov. not an individual.
Finanlly, believe it or not if everyone stops offering, tithe, seeds etc. God will bless who He will. And it'll be to their own detriment.
May God grant us understanding!

Another dangerously messed up brainwashed fellow,,,Bill Gates in the last few years gave more than half of his worth and he is not a christian,,,he gave nore than $30Billion,,,,That you would called WICKED giving,,,,Until ur Bishop gave a quarter of his worth,,,don't call him a dangerous giver,,,,

This is the height of embarassment and insults,,,,Sudan of all countries in the world,,,,,Nigerians begging for alms on the streets of sudan,,,

eina:
Lets pray it woudn't get to that stage of goats ruling us.

Don't bother about praying against the above,,,Have'nt you heard FELA'S song? " Animal in Human Skin",,,, We since passed that stage my guy,,,its both goats and malus that has been ruling us ever since,,,,

@ Devonian:
Touch not my annointed and do my prohpet no harm
The penterascal pastor is annointed so let him do according to his annointing,,,and let nobody judge him,,,even if he impregnates the said man's wife,,,the pastor has the license to do and undo,,,
The above is just the JOKE Christianity has now become in Nigeria,,,shame

kola oloye:
The only thing you don't understand is this: Using abusive language on elderly people is not a good trait
and is not in our culture.
Although i don't know how old Kunle is but if any of these men of God is old enough to be his brother,
he ought to address them with respect.
Now concerning the matter at hand,I'm neither for or against.Whatever your spirit ask you to do,please do.
My major concern is this:If we notice any man of God going astray what we ought to do is to be praying for such person.
No human being is perfect including you.  And remember "two wrongs can never make a right".
I REST MY CASE.

Am so ashamed of you,,,your situation appears to be irredeemable and irrepairable.Keep praying for the likes of Pastor Akingbola,,Revd Eze King etc ,,,,Your situation is one that describes RELIGION as WICKED and PATHETIC,,,,Religion truly is the opium of the people.

Devonian:
What this generation of church leaders need to realise is that by the time people wake up to reality or shall I say become liberated, the number of people that are likely to reject Christianity and all it stands for might outweigh those in the western world, leading to a sharp decline in church attendance. See what the Church of England has become in terms of church attendance. Many of its church buildings had been closed down. These have been desecrated having been converted into pubs, disco halls, community centres, Mosques, Hindu and Sikh Temples. A few had been bought over by Celestial Church of Christ and other African Indigenous Churches or Black majority Churches in the UK. In fact, Islam is gradually taking over parts of EU (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544238/Islam-is-taking-over-says-Dutch-politician.html ) including the UK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054909/Have-babies-Muslims-UK-hate-fanatic-says-warning-comes-9-11-UK.html; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8555538.stm ). If you go to York Minster in the City of York, UK, that is the very place where Constantine the Great was declared Emperor. And, through the Edict of Milan (313), Christianity (which hitherto was a religio ilicita, i.e illegal religion) was declared religio licita, i.e. legal religion, by Constantine the Great. It is in this same UK, where churches are now closing down. Indeed, if you momentarily take black dominated churches in the UK out of the equation, I doubt if the number of practising Muslims wouldn’t outweigh Christians. I suppose the point ‘am making is that, by the time those Pentecostal Christians would wake up to the reality and possibly desert the church, Muslims might then take over Nigeria through Christians’ self-destruct. Then, these GOS, Pastors must stand before God’s throne to face His wrath.

Well thought and straight to the point,,,

kola oloye:
Jesus is Lord.

@ KunleOshob,
I've always enjoyed your contribution since i came to NLD but the only problem i have
with you is the way you normally judge the so-called men of God.It is not fair.
Please repent.

You re the one who actually needs to repent,,,the problem you have is what many religious bigots and blinfolded people have in Nigeria.If you had read through some of the posts here,,,you would ve discovered you don't need such post of urs here,,,People like you ve been earlier predicted would come and make such weak minded statements,,,
What exactly is different from what Kunle has been saying all these years that Pastor Tunde Bakare made public in an interview recently,,,re you that daft that byou can not reason anymorere you trying to defend what is written that closed/open heaven??

The annoying thing is that there hundreds of thousands of RCCG members that would read through these stuff and would never see the wrong in it because RELIGION has blindfolded them,,,,the Bible call them " Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
Thank God am not attached to any pastor worshipping crowds,,,

@CHALOE,,,God bless you man,,,,,RELIGION(RCCG) is a wicked tool invented by mere men to siphon and mess up peoples life,,,
Pastor Erastus Akingbola who stole and use the proceeds to bless Adeboye,,,,how much folds has he received in returns,,,he received zero fold because God exposed him,,,prior to this exposition,,,would members of RCCG ever thought that Akingbola was stealing?
Same goes to the 419 International Regional Pastor of RCCG in London,,,Pastor wale whatever is his surname,,,who duped Doyin Okupe and his church members,,,he is right now wanted in both London and Nigeria,,,shameless bunch of bigots,,,
That book "Open closed heaven should be torn public by anyone who has a copy,,,wish I have a way of sending a copy to Pastor Tunde Bakare,,,,
I have told people that I have respect only for probably 2 Pastors in Nigeria,,,rest re just criminal or mental deranged people

KunleOshob:
Prior to now, I had always given Adeboye the benefit of doubt labelling him as a genuine pastor but sorrounded with charlatans and crooks but with the drivel he wrote in his money spinning "open heavens" on the 17th march 2010 posted by the OP and independently verified by myself, I can confirm with all confidence that Adeboye as digenerated to the level of a fraud and common crook like oyaks and he has already condenmed himself for the sake of filthy lucre.

Since I do not have access to the said book,,,and for my one and only Nairaland Pastor to validate that point,,,,I am even more highly disappointed in RCCG,,,shameless bunch of bigots,,,I wish somebody can bring this to the notice of Pastor Tunde Bakare for him to get hold of that book and TEAR it into PIECES in the public glare of a National Television,,,,,Just like he did to the Occultic book written by Oyedepo

Devonian:
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthians 6:2).
It is this attitude of "Leave him/her for God to judge" which has destroyed Nigeria. Rather than make people accountable for whatever they've done wrong, ssome of us Nigerians often say, let's leave him/her alone, God would judge, and things would continue to degenerate to the point where Pastors would engage in 419 activities and GOs would say nothing. What has the GO of the RCCG officially declared in relation to his pastors misbehaving at national and international levels? Shall we continue to sin and ask that grace abound? Thank gosh, I've turned my back on the church.

This is a sad truth that epitomises RCCG,,,the church has since lost its glory,,,

CHARLOE:
@ Joagbaje, i said daily devotional (not manna) and went further to state d name written on it: OPEN HEAVENS Volume Ten 2010 (Anniversary Edition). We don't attend d RCCG in my family/house but use it for our morning devotion. (By d way, i've decided to stop using it since i discovered these errors).

. God bless U man, U ve done what d BAREAN Christians would ve done.However Tunde Bakare style would ve been better by TEARING into PIECES the book in the public.Am very glad people re bcoming wiser

@Joagbaje,,The poster was talking about open heavens volume 10.Aside from that,how do you or how you explain this same similar statement on RCCG sites.My opinion is that RCCG does not care about peoples soul as much as the money they want to get from people.

@InesQor:
God bless you man,,,I ve always told people that you don't ve to be a pastor in order to be a better christian,,,most pastors/GO in Nigeria ve misplaced priorities and simply being motivated by material gains than spiritual gains,,its a big shame,,,JESUS is lord and there is no CONTROVERSY about that,,,
The below iscripture truly describes the present state of RCCG,,,RCCG has or must go back to where it started,,RCCG is right now motivated by a completely different Gospel that is not of Christ,,,its a difficult and a sad truth,,,

Mat 5:13 You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste (its strength, its quality), how can its saltness be restored? It is not good for anything any longer but to be thrown out and trodden underfoot by men.
When salt is no longer salt, it is not different from sand. SPEAK THE TRUTH, even when it hurts. Ciao.

Joagbaje:
You call yourself a christian and yet join all these umbelievers to rubish churches. That is your own work of ministry.
There is no church that does compulsory , forceful giving. It is only on NL such unfounded exaggeration exists.

So because am a Christian I should not question the criminalities and unchristian activities happening in RCCG? bE TRUTHFUL to urself and as a christian,,,do you think RCCG is being operated the way a TRUE church of Jesus Christ should be??Do you want to in all sincerety validate what they put up on those sites for money/materials sake? The least I can say is that am highly disappointed in RCCG,,,people should go and tell the GO that people are much more wiser now ,,,,and the church should wake up from their slumber.
The BEREAN christians usually make sure they confirm whatevere anybody teaches them with the Bible,,,and if its contrary to what the Bible tells them,,,they would discard it,,,and if the BEREAN christians re alive today,,,I can assure that they would condemn many of the activities of RCCG,,,Many of the Pastors in RCCG re not even born again,,
RCCG cares so much about ur money than ur spirtual life,,,that is why you would see many of their pastors involved in fraudulent activities,,