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adexfem:
Whats the shipping line used?


Thanks.

EUKOR from the USA

what will it cost to clear a 2004 Hyundai santa Fe,,please let me know,,,

Ok,, I have a 2001 Honda Odyssey for sale,,,just came out from the Apapa port today,, very clean American used. If you want pictures please call wole on 07045083565 . Or let me have your email here.

Just send me your email here or the phone and you will get pictures ASAP,,

well I have an Honda Odyssey 2001 very clean just entered Nigeria 3days ago and came out from the Apapa port today. I have my brother in whose custody the vehicle is,,, his number 07045083565. For pictures request by texting the number or calling.

what would it cost you to clear a Honda odyssey 2001 model,,,please let me know

what is your email address segeonline?? I have a 2001 Honda Odyssey American used. My wife actually used it,,,should be in Nigeria sometimes next month . A very neatly used and clean van. Please let me know,,,
Thanks

NB: I have pictures available ,,,

[quote author=oh-lala]The ONLY pressue I know Adeboye is under is how to win more souls for Christ. All this talk no join abeg una.[/quote]The souls he has worn includes Pastor erastus Akingbola,,Pastro bunmi Oni,,Pastor Cecilia Ibru,,etc,,,these three defrauded their organisations and thereby ran them aground sending several thousands to the labour market and untimely death,,,RCCG is not a christian church,,,,,

ActiveMan: So depper life members don they watch TV

Because how do they know what is happing in nollywood

I don't meant to insult but...

Truth is I don't believe in 90% of Nigerian pastors,,,In the early 90's,,,it was a sin to have a T.V. set in ur house as a deeper life member,,,infact once yu join deeper,,,you ve t destroy ur T.V. set,,,it was or used to be called the devils box,,,but just a few years a go,,Pastor Kumuyi gave them the go ahead to own a T.V. and as well Computer,,,,My question is has the God in the early 90's change in the 2000's Just wondering if we are all not been deceived and manipulated!!! I believe in modesty but taking religion too far is actually a worst sin and any pastor who control people with the fear of hell fire should also be prepared to meet God on the judgement day,,,because hw can God in the 90's ask you to destroy ur T.V. set and in the year 2000's ask you to own one,,,am confused!!
I personnaly don't watch Nolly wood and not because of anything,,,simply because I don't ve the time,,,,I remember when in deeper life we were thaught football is sin,,,don't get it people!!!

goshen360:
Well, am open and available to children of God. You can always add my email on facebook. Mine is goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. You just got it right there.

dare2think is very correct on his response. You don't have to be a victim to know all these things. Give time to study deep the word of God. I have been following them from afar off and I have come to master most, if not all of their gimmicks. I am not and will never be a victim of this falsehood. As a matter of fact, at the fullness of time, God is sending me to raise the standard of truth again. I watch these falsehood on TV and sometimes, feel like weeping and actually, i weep in my heart.

@Goshen,,my conclusion for now is that I do not believe in well over 90% of Nigerian Pastors,,,its at a point where if you tell me you re a pastor,,I run real fast away from you,,,,especially the pentecostal ones,,,,,Thanks am gonna search you right away on facebook,,,take care and God bless you!!!!

@ Goshen,,How can we form a group on facebook to pass this and other messages in order to liberate people from the chains shackles and grip of these charlatans,,,,,,you need to be a victim of these charlatans to know hw devastating their activities are,,,,

bennyraz:
[b]With this few but much years have spent on earth, i have come to understand the nature of we humans, especially Nigerians, To be specific, Nigerians on nairaland. Some nairalanders criticize out of jealously Their criticisms has no base, it is unwarranted for. If you are a critic, you need to be critical about what you say, how you say it and when you say it. Your criticisms has to be constructive otherwise, you are just an empty vessel. And you know how the saying goes "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE LOUDEST NOISE" over the weeks i have seen and i have read how most of you criticize Pastor E.A Adeboye & i can strongly say that people that do so aren't Christians. It's either you are an idol worshiper or a muslim or a pagan. How often have you seen a Muslim cleric been slander the way you slander a christian leader on NAIRALAND?
@ MuSKeeto,
1. I guess you don't understand the meaning of anointing so let me not dig deep into that with you cuz your understanding of the word "Anointing" is quite shallow.

2. Because only the high and the mighty dines with them means you cant dine with them? of course what business does the kingdom of light has to do with the kingdom of DARK If you are a perceived enemy of God's own ambassador, it means, you are an enemy of God which makes you an Anti-Christ

3 Yes they need bodyguards and security,do you know the amount of pastors & branches RCCG have? yes they need security, if not men like you won't let them move from places to places.

4. Will God come down from heaven to prophesy? he speaks through the mouth of his prophets to us. Prophesies of prophets were not taken serious in the Bible so i can understand your disbelief.
@ Bobbysworld28
you are just frustrated being. God in his infinite mercy will not make you a clown this year.
@ umechuma
i guess you guys must be really pissed of cuz you are not even a hand-full compare to the amount of members RCCG have. Professors, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Civil right Activists are members of RCCG. Are they also Brainwashed Nigerians too? RCCG is in America, UK e.t.c are the white people also brainwashed too?
how many christian books do you read? go and get open heavens by Pastor E.A adeboye.
Can a man curse what God has not cursed? If you are Bold enough and you have what it takes to pursue you reasons to make the whole world see that Baba Adeboye is not a man of God, why not take up the challenge this year. Start yourself together, after all you can always make your case on pages of news paper & the television. Why hiding under the dark shadows of the Internet?
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Everything you wrote up there is pure rubbish,,,complete arrant nonsense and unchristianed submission,,,people like you give athiest more reason to doubt christianity,,,,RCCG is one of the biggest problem of Nigeria,,if you doubt me,,,on a personal go and have a one on one conversation with Pastor Tunde Bakare,,,Pastor Tony Rapu,,,or Pastor Kumuyi,,,,truth is try ask yourself some questions about the inconsistencies of RCCG,,,,and the way the church is operating btw the last 25years and now,,,,there is a wide drift from where the church actually started from,,,,infact almost 90% of Nigerian penticostal churches re guilty of same thing as RCCG,,,,a lot of things re wrong with the practice of Christianity in Nigeria ,,particularly the penticostals,,,,,You have the RCCG GO,,,annointing GEJ to be president on one hand,,,on the other hand,,,you CAN president urging christians to support the fuel subsidy,,,,the true representative of JESUS CHRIST and the church are not the known pastors,,,,but am really so glad that Nigerians are finally waking up and challenging these frauds,deception and manipulation going on in churches these days,,,,
Why should God wait until its january first to reveal happenings through out the year? Does God actually believes or operates base on our calendar years? Calendars re man-made,,,,so also is religion,,,but a relationship with God is that which sounds like a walkie-talkie voice in ur heart ,,,and we all have that indwelling in us,,,,Speaking about or against the abuse of God by so called men of God does not attract God's wrath on you,,,,,or anybody,,,,

sovpounds:
I believe Pastor E. A. Adeboye is a true man of God but I no dey carry am for head, I dont get emotional when other people have contrary opinions or when some people label him a fake or a fraudster.The Lord knoweth those who are his according to 2 Timothy 2:19.

RCCG as it is presently constituted and operated is nothing but a joke,,,,pay attention very deeply, get involve with them,,,you noticed the inconsistencies,,,,The church actually started well,,,,but in the last 20years,,,,it has lost its values,,,

@ Muskeeto,,,Pls hw can I connect you on facebook? Guy you re very loaded and well informed,,,,,Penticostalism(penterascalism) as practiced in Nigeria is fraudulent , deceptive , and manipulative .

anonimi:
Adeboye is one of the main reasons why Nigeria is not yet great and will not realise its potential if himself and others like him continue the mafia godfather[/b]ism style of giving "spiritual"(?) and "moral"(?) [b]protection to the Looters-in-Power (LIPs) he associates with rather than admonish them publicly through sermons and privately when they come to "consult" him as Paul did to Peter on the issue of circumcised vs uncircumcised brethren.
These LIPs whose activity or rather inactivity is the cause of unemployment that creates mass poverty and leaves infrastructures in a dilapidated state, including health facilities that cannot perform rigorous diagnosis thus leaving room for greater attribution of sometimes inevitable diseases and deaths to witches and wizards and wild claims of unverifiable miracles.
Talk about a symbiotic relationship, rub-my-back-I-rub-yours: you politicians can make the people very poor and I will continue to give them false hope of Nigeria will be great, moving to the next level, miracles galore etc etc to keep them hypnotised and focused away from your thieving ways as I dey thief them dey go also with my unbiblical tithe guilt trap

Proof why I do not believe in 99.99% of Nigerian pastors,,,they re mostly fraudulent or have some degree of mental issues,,,,,

@Poster,,,,pls get this or load this up on facebook,,,,,there is absolutely no where in the world where theses criminals in the name of the lord exists other rhan Nigeria!!!!

sexkillz:
Not Arguing with or trying to convince anyone! Just saying my mind no matter how insane it sounds! Is it better there in EUROPE? All i'm saying is that every country has it's GOOD & BAD sides, unless of course we only choose to dwell on positives alone!

The bolded statement you ve just mentioned is the only statement that made sense in all your postings,,,If Nigeria is good for you,,,stay put there and stop saying things you don't know about,,,

lng:
May we have the source of you thread ?

Stale news,,many sources,,,source number one http://www.transparencyng.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4990

Source Number two http://saharareporters.com/news-page/family-founding-redeemed-christian-church-god-rccg-pastor-late-rev-josiah-olufemi-akindayo

and many of the happenings in the church lately,,,,

Dr. Francis Bola Akin-John is the Founder of Int’l Church Growth Ministries, a Christian organ popular for its attack against spiritual and leadership malpractices within the Christendom. Besides, the organisation prides itself as a ministry that is committed to the health and well-being of the body of Christ.


In this interview with Segun Otokiti, Akin-John gives the reasons the Church is falling morally and spiritually in spite of upsurge in number, and why the Christian leadership is failing in bringing solution to the problem, among others. Excerpts:

How will you assess the Church in Nigeria today?
There’s a lot of errors that we noticed in the Church. All the while we agree that the Church did not have a good image, at least, since the last 30 years. Though there has been numerical growth but there is a poor spiritual growth and depth in the Nigerian Church, and from our own obersavation we noticed that it is the quality of the ministers that resulted to that. When christianity was solid in the 60’s, and 70’s and part of the early 80’s, we don’t hear much news about scandals, financial troubles, corruptions in the Church. But when every Dick and Harry starts becoming a pastor, you see a lot of things happening. So now, our own unique way of addressing it is number one; we produce a lot of books, I’ve writing more than 40 books on that and this will address this kind of issue. Number two is that we hold a conference every third week of February called the interdenominational Church renewal conference, then we focused on issue that has to do with the Church. We can pick a subject to bring pastors together and we talk to ourselves very frankly in an open way. Then August, we’ll focus on the leader, those who lead the Church; their life styles, their manners, their visions and all that. So this coming August, that’s what we want to focus on.

How different is this year renewal conference going to be to previous ones?
This year is unique in the sense that we don’t want Churches to die young again in Nigeria. I can mention names but I don’t want to, but you people know them. Then we want to reduce the incidence of all these corruptions, crises, scandals; especially regarding money and women. That is too rampant in the Church. It’s a section on its own that we want to address, we tag it ‘great men and sexual crisis in the ministry’. So we want to address those issues, not from the angle of criticizing and condemning but from the angle of restoration and renewal, and providing a way out so that we can minimize it to the bearest minimum in the Church. We understand too that even in the world there is a problem of people coming to the Church; even in America you see scandals everywhere and it’s happening here. The only difference between here and America is that in America there is freedom of information but here there is an African proverb that says ‘you don’t talk about the things of rich men, you cover it.’ So, our goal here is that we want to keep the Church pure, we want to take the Church back to the Bible and that pastors and preachers should see that this is the way they should run the Church and not to imbibe the modern way Bible interpretation.

Can the Church be transformed or purified in isolation of the society. Don’t you think the Church is the product of the society?
The Church is the one that will change the society and not the one to conform to the society. The basic reason God put the society in the world is for the Church to transform it, but unfortunately today we see the opposite. So the Church can change the society when you can really start from changing the leaders; let the leaders be leaders after God’s heart; let the leaders be leaders that are truly transformed and believe and live by the Bible they are using it in preaching. If they can do that, then gradually and one by one, not by military or any revolution, the Church will be transformed. Now if you are in Nigeria in the 60’s and 70’s, you will see that the Church really transformed the nation. By then companies were come to the Church to recruit workers because of the moral quality Church members were made of. But they can’t do that today because most of the people who profess Christianity and are members of staff of companies, are the ones running the companies down. Today we don’t talk about stealing, we don’t talk about what kind of work members can do or cannot do in the Church. In a nutshell, lives are not being transformed in the Church and you don’t blame the Church per se on that, you blame the leaders of the Church because when the leader is not transformed, members cannot be better off. There is a popular saying that you can’t give what you don’t have. But if the leaders are transformed, definitely it will affect the Church. When Jesus came he didn’t call for military revolution but he picked some few men and make sure they spent time with him. Once those men were transformed, it was those men that bring transformation to the society. So the same thing is what we are following till today.

You just said now that you are going to transform the Church; not through condemnation but by subtle condemnation, is that not covering the sin of the Church or its leaders?
I don’t agree with that because that is not what I meant.

What is wrong in condemning the acts of pastors for purpose of correction since we want to believe that restitution means public renouncement of sins that one has committed? Now what is wrong with the question?
There is nothing wrong in the way you have put it, but when I said not by condemnation, what I meant was that not by being an arm-chair critic or criticizing for criticism sake. What I mean is that we will tell you the act, show you what the bible says and tell you steps to take. Of course if you don’t repent you can never receive mercy, because be believe in the Bible passage ‘he that covereth his sins will not prosper’ that you quoted. For he that confesses and forsakes it shall have mercy, we believe in that. What I mean is that much as we are going to condemn we are not going to bow down to critics that just like to carry rumour when there is nothing, and we are not going to condemn you because of evil you have committed just for talking sake but we want to say ‘this is bad, this is what the Church has been doing, if you repent and forsake it, God can forgive you, revive you, renew you and have mercy on you.’ That’s the balance we want to bring.

Is there a particular standard for measuring which Church is doing what’s biblical or having a right doctrine?
Unfortunately there is none. It’s a case of every man to his own interpretation, which is one of the major minus of the Church here. I believe a time will come that sincere, genuine and godly Church leaders will come together to decide a general standard. Unfortunately that’s what PFN suppose to be doing, that’s what CAN suppose to be doing, but they are found wanting. Today anybody can rise up and say I’m a pastor and start preaching arrant nonsense, and in the name of maturity we all keep quiet. Nobody wants to say anything or comment and the name of Christ is being drag in the mud and the image of the Church is being destroyed. So I believe a time will come that some certain men of God will come up to decide a Bible standard which Church leaders should operate under.

You are often accused of being too critical of fellow men of God. Some of them feel that some of the problems of the Church you expose should have been addressed in-house and that by talking so much on them, you are exposing some of the Churches to attack. What is your reaction to this. Are there really problems in the Church, why is it you don’t as much talk about the good side of the Church as the negative side?
I’m not reacting but I want to answer. Most of these problems are public knowledge. For example, pastor who slept with a member, pastor who embezzled Church’s money, pastor who is involved in occultism, are of public knowledge. So, if I come up and say call a spade a spade, address the issue squarely that the Church is doing wrong, what is bad in that?, For God sake this is not what God says the Church should be doing. To me, I don’t think I’m arming the public against the Church, I believe I’m speaking the truth and the Church should see that at least somebody is speaking out, somebody is crying. I believe my ministry is the ministry of Isaiah 58, verse 1-2; ‘Cry aloud and spare not, ’ What about a pastor who went on air and start saying a lot of nasty things that are in public domain about all of us for the media to feed on. For God sake we can use the media to correct. Most of my writings, I do to inform the public. For example, some couple of days back, the British Prime Minister came to Nigeria and said that the Nigeria populace should hold their government responsible and accountable. I believe the public also should hold the Church responsible and accountable. To me I am convinced that Nigerian Christians are the most gullible Christian faithful in the whole world. They believe anything, and once the pastor say that the Lord said this, they believed; they don’t question, they don’t look at the Bible, they don’t want those pastors to be accountable to the Bible they profess to be using. Therefore, one of my goals is to arm the Christians; that they shouldn’t believe everything the pastor preaches, because the Bible says so. If you read Acts 17, it says those Christians, once they hear the words, should as well go back and search the scripture whether those things are true. Until the Nigerian Church and Christians understand that they should go to that level, we would all be falling prey of all the antics of those preachers. Imagine a prophet that comes up and said to a woman that the Lord said I should deliver your private part, that there’s a demon there, and a married woman subjecting herself to such prophesy and the so-called prophet impregnated her. Even if there’s a demon there, can’t the so-called man of God lay hands on her and be well? Must he sleep with her by force, just by telling her ‘that the Lord said’. That is the truth of what’s happening in the country. So I believe we should speak up on these things, we should not hide them. And if you check your Bible very well, God did not hide the truth from us. When Noah was doing good, the Bible recorded it, when he fell into sin, the Bible recorded it. When Abraham was doing good, the Bible recorded it and when he told a lie, the Bible did not keep silent. The same thing with Job, Moses, Samson and David; and throughout the scriptures, leaders are very crucial to God and their sins have impact on others. So, if they are doing it publicly, they should be exposed. The next thing is that they should repent. Of course we say good things about them and what the Church is doing, we appreciate and acknowledge it. It has not all been a bad or negative story.

These days, one of the measure of success of the Church seems to be the creation of universities, and a number of Churches have them, what do you think about this?
Yale University, Harvard University started as private schools, but gradually they digressed. What I’m saying is this, Churches that start universities should have come out from the onset that it is a pure business venture. They shouldn’t be deceiving the public that it is a mission school, because by saying it is a mission school, the idea is that the fees will be lower and it is going to be social responsibility institution. But all of us have seen that that is not the thing. For God sake, it is the money collected from the poor of the Church that were used to start these universities. There was a time the House of Representatives during Obasanjo’s tenure was trying to say the Church should pay tax, because one of the popular Church leaders granted an interview and said that all the money they used in starting the private universities were from the Church. The Reps picked on that and said the Church has a lot of money and they should pay tax. Now the money was taken from the Church and the children of those who gave the money cannot go to the universities and we say the Church is here to transform the world. The Church can of course go into education, my contention is that if the Church is going to get involved in it it should be as a social responsibilty. If not so, there is always this tendency of deviation. It’s a capital intensive venture and it operates in a social and secular world, and especially in a Nigeria setting, where you can,t say it is a Christian university since they don’t teach the Bible; Nigeria University Commission (NUC) will never allow that. If you are going to teach Bible, you will teach Islam, you will teach African Traditional religion, and they don’t want that and they banished the Bible out of it. Imagine God’s money not being use to teach God’s word. Go and ask all those Pentecostal and charismatic Churches that have universities of how much of the gospel they have preached in the last five to seven years? Most of the money that is meant to take care of the widows, orphans, the down-trodden through the gospel have been diverted to make that university world-class. To me, it is the gospel that will suffer and the gospel is suffering. There are many young pastors who God has called to mission fields in rural areas, that the Church can give a little support to, to do a better job, but monies to empower them were diverted to structures and universities. My contention is that the Church should be primarily and fundamentally concen itself with building the kingdom of God. Education and social mandates should be secondary. Building the kingdom and bringing people to Christ, changing society for better is the primary mandate of the Church and anybody who’s a minister of God and forsakes that mandate will be forsaken by Him. (Nigerian Compass)


http://www.transparencyng.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5005%3Anigerian-christians-are-the-most-gullible-in-the-world-dr-akin-john&catid=147%3Areligion&Itemid=131

The controversial sale of Alpha International Christian Centre, AICC, without the knowledge of its members by the founder, Bishop Chinedu Adigwe, has set the church members against the Bishop as both prepare for war.
P.M.NEWS gathered that Adigwe sold the church located at 8, Council Street Ojodu, Lagos State Southwest, Nigeria, to the Redeemed Christian Church of God, RCCG, without informing the church members.
Aside the church building, he also sold other church properties, including chairs, musical equipment, fans and the public address system.
The congregation learnt about the sale of the church when the RCCG men led by their provincial pastor came during a Sunday service to inspect the properties and assess the church members whom he had negotiated with the RCCG .
The shocked members claimed that the bishop sold the church without informing them and was planning to relocate to America with the money.The members are protesting that he should not have sold the church without their approval because they jointly built and owned the church.
They are now poised to reclaim the church. They have appealed to the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, to investigate the matter.They alleged that Adigwe secretly changed the members of the church’s Board of Trustees at Corporate Affairs Commission and replaced their names with those of his children to perfect his plan of selling the church.In response, Bishop Adigwe claimed that his decision to sell the church was a divine direction.
He said that God instructed him to do so and relocate to Atlanta in America for another divine assignment with his wife.But he did not explain whether God told him not to tell his members before selling the church.
The former pastor of the Redeemed Evangelical Mission, TREM, who established the church with the financial support of his members, said that the church was losing steam and he had to quickly transfer it to RCCG.
He said he did not need to get approval from the leaders of the church because the church belonged to him and he appointed them as leaders.
On why he chose to sell it to RCCG, he said it was his wife who saw the vision and he instructed his lawyer to start discussion with the church (RCCG)

When P.M.NEWS visited the church premises, the RCCG was renovating the church.

It was gathered that the church has been temporarily closed pending the time the renovations will be completed.

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2011/07/04/bishop-worshippers-at-war-over-sale-of-church/

What the Bible describes as vanity upon vanity is an apt description of the utterances of Pastor Paul Adefarasin of House On The Rock Church yesterday.


Pastor Paul Adefarasin

“I am a billionaire and there is nothing anybody can do about it,” Pastor Adefarasin boasted yesterday as he preached in an N8.5 million a day auditorium at the Eko Hotel and Suites in Victoria Island, Lagos, Southwest Nigeria.

“I have coached many billionaires and you know, the pastor of billionaires is a billionaire,” Adefarasin who was not included among the five richest pastors in Nigeria by a blogger with Forbes, the influential American magazine that keeps a tab on the world’s rich.

The Forbes blogger, Mfonobong Nsehe, had said that after intense research, he established that the official wealth of Bishop David Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome, TB Joshua, Matthew Ashimolowo and Chris Okotie, Nigeria’s five richest pastors, is between N31 and 37 billion.

But, TB Joshua of the Synagogue Church Of All Nations has denied the report, saying that he does not even keep a bank account and cannot save billions in the bank while millions are going hungry.

“The preacher of billionaire can only be a billionaire because a monkey cannot give birth to a goat and a goat cannot follow a baboon,” Adefarasin, who is completing a multi-billion naira church in Lekki, said as he adjusted his cute Italian suit.

“I am a preacher. I am a motivational speaker. I am a TV personality. I am a life coach. You can criticise me or slander me in the pages of newspapers but the blessings are in me and there is nothing anyone can do about it,” he said.

Adefarasin, who preached on Phillipians 2:6-14 with the theme ‘Work It Out’, said that when he was still a drug addict in Miami, United States, with a low self esteem, he never imagined that he could financially achieve so much for himself and the ministry.

“I was a nobody. I had a low self esteem but God did it for me. If God can make it for me, he can make it for you,” Adefarasin said amidst boisterous ovations.

To become a billionaire, Christians must simply imagine it, ask and realise that money, blessing and favour are already in them. All they need is to ‘work out’ what ‘God has already worked in’.

“Some of you do not see that you are already billionaires but there is a difference between to create and to unveil. God will simply unveil your billions to you as he did to me,” he said to an elated and expectant congregation

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2011/06/20/vanity-adefarasin-declares-self-billionaire/

blacksta:
lol - since 1960
when i was 4years old - My Granddad always stated that " My generation would be the one that would enjoy Nigeria" Fast forward 28 years - I no get liver to make same statement to my unborn children.
I have know darkness all my life

Guy you don kill me with laugh finish,,,

[quote author=Anti-scam link=topic=654333.msg8205333#msg8205333 date=1303797247]Forget AMERICAN INVESTORS! ,They cannot cope in Nigeria business terrain!
Go ask RICHARD BRANDSON! of virgin group , ,he ran away with billions of debt
Nigerian business terrain is only meant for geniuses like Aliko dangote,jimoh ibrahim,okoya,mike adenuga,otudeko etc
Not all dis American dullards investors who suceeded only because of their efficiently-working-systems back in America [/quote]Am very sure you re not only joking but you re also a joker,,,Nigerians are actually dullards where the Americans are,,,more than 80% of the oil coys in naija are owned by Americans,,,

yet to see Nigerian Pastors preach the above messgae aside from kumuyi and Bakare,,,

To follow Jesus is not easy. Living for Jesus isn’t easy.
Do not believe anyone who presents a false version of Christianity to you. Christianity is all about following Jesus Christ and becoming Christ-like!
From the things Jesus said about becoming His disciple, it almost seemed as though He did not want anyone to follow Him. He warned different people who attempted to follow Him of the dangers of coming to Him.
Jesus Warns Us
He said; “if you come to me you must hate your parents, your family and yourself” (Luke 14:26).
He said to a rich man who wanted to follow Him: “You must sell whatever you have if you want to follow me” (Matthew 19:21).
He also said; “if you follow me you will not have anywhere to stay because I don’t even have the home that foxes and birds have” (Luke 9:58)
He said; “You cannot say goodbye to your family if you really want to follow me” (Luke 9:61).
He said to someone whose parents had died; “You cannot be involved in the burial of your father if you really want to be my disciple” (Luke 9:59).
Jesus Does Not Lower The Standards For Anyone
Obviously, Jesus did not intend to make things easy for anyone. He did not lower the bar for anyone. He did not give anyone special treatment. He knew He was inviting us to the greatest privilege ever given to mankind. The privilege of being saved by the blood of Jesus, the privilege of knowing God and the privilege of going to heaven!

These warnings by Jesus Christ have not deterred the millions who simply respond to His awesome love. Millions love Jesus Christ in spite of the difficult conditions that He has set for following Him.

Somehow, knowing the living God and His Son Jesus Christ is more than enough compensation for any difficulties we must experience.

Don’t listen to anyone who claims that following Jesus is all about getting blessed, rich and successful. That is not Christianity. Christianity is about losing, sacrificing, suffering and dying!

Joagbaje:
Several pastors have approach tithing in different wrong way. Some also have said if you dont tithe God will put a curse on you.etc. But that doesn't make tithing wrong. The issue is not what a pastor said. Tithing is based on principles of faith. There is no scripture where God puts an end to that principle. Just like prayer, worship, honouring your parents etc. These are principles and not commandments. If you don't tithe , don't boast against it. It's like a man that says he doesn't pray and he still makes money or he doesn't go to church again and he didn't die. Does that make him right? NO .You may not know what you're missing. Cup don't get filled overnight. Some things takes time to show .but don't boast against the word. I once heard a boy call God silly and he asked did I die?

I probably want to assume that you were responding to my post,,,I have a very strong faith in God and his word,,but an absolute no trust or confidence in 99% of Nigerian pastors,,and many pastors in the world. Am sure God is certainly unhappy at the way the church is today,,everybody wakes up from the corner of their bed and dreams of being pastor. The most abused book in the world today is the Bible,,and the most abused name is Jesus,,,A situation where you have more than Fourty-thousand different confused denomination using one Bible to explain or describe God or Jesus,,whereas in most cases these fourty thousand different denominations don't believe in thesame thing is a complete state of confussion,,,

The truth is that as a christian,,I strongly believe a lot of things are wrong with the way christianity is practiced this day. I used to believe in tithing but right now I do not believe in it,,,aside from Kunleosho's position on tithe,,,there has been a lot of publications and right ups about tithing.
Some of us followed these pastors by believing everything they say,,,this is absolutely wrong,,,During the recession,,about 2yrs ago,,a reknowned pastor in Nigeria who is probably worshipped by his members said the recession would last 7yrs,,I did not believe that,,this same pastor said if you don't tithe your pocket would be tight,,,he further said that the only way you escape the recession from affecting you is by tithing,,,
I refused to mention this pastor here,,,but for those following trends in Nigeria would definitely know who am talking about,,as an individual,,and a christian,,,I have been super naturally blessed beyond measures in this recession,,and don't tithe,,,but I give a lot cos I know and have a responsibilty to both help and support people that are close to him that needed help.
My concept of tithing is in agreement with pastor Tunde Bakare,,,he used to believe in tithes but right now he does not,,,but if you belong to a church just like any organisation,,,you have a responsility to support the church financially,,,

Joagbaje:
And who says anything is wrong with a lady wearing a trouser or not covering hair. The ukraine experience should prove to you God is not concerned about those things we religiously fight over. The bible says that God doesnt look at the outward appearance but at the heart . If he heals a woman in pants and she was acceptable in his sight , we ought to check our theology.

Your response above is very disappointing,,,do you want to tell me you don't know its unacceptable to wear trousers at deeper life? Or why can't Christ Embassy be like deeper life in their outward disposition,,,if you try it,,ur membership would reduce drastically by 90%,,,,,

OLAADEGBU:
Did anybody take note of the testimony of a spectacular miracle in one of those videoclips? A man who had an eye replaced with a prosthetic one was miraculously healed. When the guy went for medical check up it was discovered that nerves had growing into the prosthetic eye and he could see through it. What a wonderful God we serve!

Bro,,,the thing is not necessarily about miracles,,,if its miracles the Bible has warned of all kinfds of miracles in this last and evil days,,,,
Now hear this,,,,the first time I ever experienced or witnessed a practical miracle in my life time was Ayobo,,by same Pastor Kumuyi,,,,If anybody had told me this story,,,I would have doubted it,,,,but since I personally experienced it,,,then one or I could say miracles re actually and it does happen.
Here is what happened,,Pastor Kumuyi had a word of knowledge that someone whose one of leg(specifically mentioned the left leg) is shorter than the other one,,,he requested that the person should sit down on the floor and the man was right besides me,,I watched him while he sat down,,I saw clearly that the left leg was shorter,,,Pastor now said,,all heads bow and eyes closed,,I bowed my head but with my eyes open,,,I saw clearly how the left leg grew with just a very specific short prayer.

Now,what I want to know is why can't somebody answer my questions above properly

[quote author=N.Delta link=topic=650593.msg8166931#msg8166931 date=1303248412]I don't know if this applies to other Nigerians abroad but personally i am overwhelmed by the volume of the demands for money from almost every one i know in Nigeria. I have sent sooo much money but they just never stop asking for money, i am tired and begging to loose sleep over this matter, this is just not fair on me, i have had to say NO to so many and YES to others because their demands seem genuine. Even people that i know as comfortable also ask. is this synonymous to other Nigerians abroad? or am i surrounded by opportunist?[/quote]The truth is that you re not alone,,,bottomline is your situation is even probably a child's play,,Change number No way,,I would not change number,,,if its improtant,,,leave a voice mail,,,or send email,,,it now depends on me to respond to voice mail or email.
My family is even better,,but people I know,,,how do I handle it,,,this is how I do mine,,,I put every one a queue and its been helping,,,I can't help more than one person in a month,,,the least I send down a month is $150.The thing too is that a good number of their stories re true,,hw do you reconcile someone you know was working in Bank and sending his kids to a private school asking(let me not use the word begging) for #20,000? I mean some body you knew 6yrs ago would not stoop low to get to that point. What I consider mostly is that,,,I could have been the one their situation,,So do the best you can to help and if you know you can not help,,,tell them you can not,,,or put them on a queue,,,by asking them to get money any way possible they can and that yopu would pay back,,,the truth is that for most people times are really hard,,,God help us all!!!!

KunleOshob:
Pastor Adeboye is wrong on many of his doctrines but I seem to agree with him here. The trinity doctrine is unscriptural and derived from twisting of scripture+ mistranslations

@Kunlesoho,,,,,am confused by ur statement above,,,,who do you agree with here? Pastor Adeboye or Chimaraoke? You agreed the trinity doctrine is unscriptural and thats what the Governor is saying and Adeboye is saying otherwise. Can you let me know what you intend in the above statement? As far as am concerned as a Christian,,,am already at a point where I have personally lost respect for most Pastors,,,,