₦airaland Forum

GreatBoss:
Don't mistake Ijaw for your nonsense tribe.

You all left the person who asked a perfectly reasonable (but apparently an uncomfortable) question to come and pile on me.

Clowns. Please, answer his/her question.

Ebi2233:
Keep quiet.

They are all of one Ancestor.
You don't know of language loss shey?

Eat shit, you uncomprehending buffoon. Did I argue about the validity of their ethnic cohesion? Was I not simply explaining the linguistic situation to someone who asked a question about it?


PS: They are not 'all of one Ancestor' (whatever that means). No ethnic group in the world is 'of one Ancestor', despite what their origin stories might say.

Maazieze:
Another thing is, i thought the obolo were an ibibio subgroup, or are the cultural borders blurred enough to confuse one for the other

The peculiar thing about Ijaw 'ethnic' identity is that it doesn't always align with linguistic realities. Indeed, Obolo speak a language that is a close relative of Ibibio. But they are not the only 'Ijaw' group that doesn't speak an Ijaw dialect as their mother tongue. Engenni and Epie are linguistically Edoid subgroups. Abua, Ogbia and Odual speak closely related non-Ijaw dialects collectively called Central Delta languages. Opobo is Igbo-speaking. And the Apoi of the Western Zone don't speak Ijaw, but Yoruba. Omoyele Sowore (notice the Yoruba names) comes from Apoi of the Western Zone.

Why did they change their name from Egbado to Yewa? Egbado sounds better.

Since it's Lagos you're going to, how about you start with the history of Lagos?

Historian Kristin Mann wrote an accessible history of the city in precolonial times.

http://library.lol/main/9DD23C63D3D5300144E6F5CA4B6209B5

blazingblender:
am amajana nando so my dad was telling me those stuffs
I tot it was for all igbos

It's not. Other parts of Igboland have their own different origin stories.

JustPowerApps:
They bleach alot

I guess they were also bleaching in precolonial days when the relatively high occurrence of light skin tone was observed among them in the Americas, leading to the expression "Red Ibo".

blazingblender:
Especially Anambra
Enugu
And abịa girls
Well the truth is according to origin we where believed to have originated from Eri
The descendants of isreal that came to this part of the world to start a new life
So you see we are believed to be isrealites

Unless you are from an Umueri town (Aguleri, Nteje, Nando and co.,) you are not descended from Eri.

And you are not descended from Israelites either. It's high time we stopped promoting the legend of a small corner of Igboland into the national origin story of the whole Igbo "nation".

AlvaroRios:
I am researching the origins of Oduduwa and Obatalá. Many people say many things, mainly about Oduduwa, some say he came from Iraq, about Obatalá, they say he is Igbo, can you help me?

Have you read Prof Akintoye's "A History of the Yoruba People"?

Prettygirl200:
Sorry how is igbidi from awka Must everything be tied to Igbo?? U know nothing about isoko people or their land so keep quiet pls.

What does Igbide oral traditions say about the origins of the clan? Care to share?

duro4chang:
Elections are not held on social media.

But polls are. No one said this was an election.

North-North ticket. Okay. A very smart political move. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Mods, bigfrancis21, Fulaman, Odumchi. Could you please unhide my comment here that was hidden by the spambot. Thanks.

DitariDisciple2:
Both Oguta and Egbema are acculturated Ijaws.
Must you be tribalistic with everything?

Nonsense.

Let me see a reference. And don't bring a nationalistic Ijaw website. There are scores of those floating around online.

Alabo7978:
It is known ofcourse.
The Egbema people say they migrated from outside Ala'igbo, the Egbema clan in Western Ijaw is where they came from
Same as the oguta people who pride themselves as Oru-igbo.

Known by who? Ijaw nationalists?

From your moniker I can tell you are Ijaw. It is hardly surprising that you would make these unfounded claims, given your ethnic persuasion and what is known of your people's not-so-subtle expansionist agenda.

Now while Egbema and Oguta do indeed mention migrations from outside Igboland in their traditions, neither of them points to Ijawland. They point to Benin.
Oru-Igbo doesn't mean Ijaw. I am aware that you people seem to think that Oru points exclusively to Ijaw origin, but along the Niger, Olu or Oru simply means a riverine clan, whether they be Igbo, Ijaw or Igala. The term is geographic and nothing more.

No Egbema or Oguta source mentions Ijawland as a point of origin. It's only on Ijaw-centric, Ijaw expansionist, Ijaw nationalistic sites that these lies are peddled.

Alabo7978:
Oguta came from kalabari-izon
egbema from the western izon fringes.

Who told you this?

IgbuduMonkey:
Now, the one Igbo ethnic identity we have today is not real, it is a pseudo-nation just like Nigeria and indeed most African countries are pseudo-nations. There was nothing like Igbo nation before colonialism as the Igbos were organized into numerous clans that fought, killed and sold themselves. The region was so toxic in those times that the Igbos account for a very high percentage of people sold as slaves during the slave trade era.

This part I will strongly, very strongly, disagree with. In the 21st century, an Igbo ethnic identity is as real as the earth that you stand on. That something didn't exist yesterday doesn't mean it cannot exist today. Every ethnic group today arose from different groups who at some point in in the past didn't recognize a common identity.

The English? At one point, they were Jutes and Angles and Saxons and Frisians and even Danes. Disparate groups who in the course of their common history slowly evolved a common identity and took the name of one of the melding groups (Angles) as their common name.

The Zulus? Until the adventures of Shaka, Zulu was the name of a small clan. There were several clans in the area with their own names and identities, until fighting in Shaka's army instilled in them a common brotherhood which in time led to the development of a common Zulu identity.

It's the same story with practically every modern ethnic grouping of considerable size: Shona, Yoruba, Hausa, Lingala, Ijaw, etc.

In the course of the 20th century, the different Igbo-speaking groups of Southeastern Nigeria under colonial and early post-colonial pressures forged an Igbo ethnic identity, and that identity is as real as the gadget you are using to read this. Na person wey no know wetin ethnogenesis mean dey call am 'pseudo'. All that is needed for an ethnic group to exist is for the people involved to have a strong conviction that they are one people, with a common history (real or imagined) and a common destiny. No one will argue that the Igbo of the Southeast do not possess this.

And about different Igbo clans fighting and enslaving one another, please. In the 19th century, no group in this country was fighting and enslaving their brethren from other subgroups like the Yoruba. Nobody today argues that Yoruba ethnic identity is not real. Before Usman dan Fodio's jihad, the different Hausa city-states warred against one another: Gobir against Katsina, Kano against Zazzau, Zamfara against Kebbi, everyone against everyone else. Nobody argues that Hausa ethnic identity is not real.

These your 'hot takes' on the Igbo, while sometimes containing a kernel of a bright idea are always full of, excuse my language, nonsense.

Awoleesu:
Interesting...

Do you agree that the Homo Neanderthalensis is as human as Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

Would you say both are same species?

I will appreciate some citation to back up your response pls.

No.

There's still a little controversy about how Neanderthals should be classified. They are generally classifed as Homo neanderthalensis , which would mean that they are a different species [since their species name, neanderthalensis, is different from ours, which is sapiens.]

Other taxonomists however classify them as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, which will mean that they are the same species as us, Homo sapiens sapiens, but not the same subspecies. In contrast, all modern humans are the same species and the same subspecies (Homo sapiens sapiens.

Whichever taxonomy you go with, Neanderthals are not exactly the same as modern humans. But this raises the question: how come many modern-day Europeans have Neanderthal DNA? Because Neanderthal DNA among Europeans means that Homo sapiens sapiens played hanky panky with Neanderthals the natural way, and produced viable non-sterile offspring. If we say that this is only possible with animals of the same species, then it should mean Neanderthals and us are the same species.

Well, not exactly. Genetic studies have actually shown that relations between humans and Neanderthals only rarely proved successful and that in cases where they were successful, the offspring was often sterile. Virile Neanderthal-Sapiens hybrid were not as common as one might think. See this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4072735

Also, and perhaps more important than the previous point, Neanderthal DNA has been sequenced and compared to the DNA of extant human types. We are actually very different from them on a genetic level.

Many people have already explained what a specie is here, so no need for me to rehash.
By the scientific definition of specie, all races of mankind belong to one and the same species. There are no questions about this.

And for people who might read too much into the physical differences between the different races of humans, always remember this:

German Shephards, Doberman pinschers, Rottweilers,Pitbulls, your local Ekuke (Basenji), and all hundreds of other breeds of dogs, may look very different from one another, but they are all ONE SPECIES. They are all Canis lupus familiaris

IbileIfe:
TWENTY REASONS WHY QUEEN AMINA OF ZARIA NEVER EXISTED

By Ndagi Abdullahi

1 – The earliest Zaria traditions never mentioned Queen Amina of Zaria.
2 – The people of Zaria first heard of Queen Amina of Zaria from two non-Zaria sources, namely, the Kano Chronicle from Kano & the Infakul Maisuri from Sokoto

3 – The utterly Islamic name Amina was not a Hausa name in the 16th century that Queen Amina was supposed to have lived
4 – The Queen Amina of Zaria described by the Kano Chronicle is completely different from the Queen Amina of Zaria described by the Infakul Maisuri.
5 – Apart from the Kano Chronicle and the Infakul Maisuri no any other primary source document in history ever mentioned Queen Amina of Zaria.

6 – No contemporary source, written or oral, ever mentioned Queen Amina of Zaria.
7 – None of the pre-Colonial European explorers, including Mungo Park, Captain Hugh Clapperton, the Lander brothers, Dr. Heinrich Barth, Dr. William Baikie, etc., heard about Queen Amina of Zaria.
8 – Queen Amina of Zaria was completely unknown to native griots until European Colonial historians popularized her at the beginning of the 20th century.

9 – The Northern Nigerian story of Queen Amina of Zaria is evidently a rehashing of the Middle Belt story of Kisra.
10 – The Original Zaria Province or State is the ancient Nupe Province of Old Gbara formerly known as Gunguma or Kangoma and now known as Wushishi or Dunguru (Zungeru).
11 – Al Sadi’s ‘Tarikh Al Sudan' of 1655 and al-Mukhtar’s Tarikh Al Fattash of the 1660s both are completely unaware of the existence of a Queen Amina of Zaria who was supposed to have been born in 1533.
12 – The earliest of the Arab historians to write on West Africa, including the celebrated El Bakri, wrote that today’s Nigerian Middle Belt was known as Mina or Al Mina.
13 – Gigantic idols and massifs bearing the name the ‘Goddess of Mina’ or the ‘Goddess of Al Mina' replete the plains of prehistoric Central Nigeria centuries before the supposed birth of Queen Amina of Zaria in 1533.
14 – Lady Flora Shaw Lugard wrote that the people of the Nigerian Middle Belt used to worship the idol of a fertility Goddess referred to as the ‘Queen of Al Mina’.

15 – It was Hausa city chroniclers who unprofessionally transcribed the ‘Queen of Al Mina' as ‘Queen Amina’.
16 – The Hausa city chroniclers then hijacked the well-known history of Kisra the Nupe King of Zozo and rehashed it as the story of Amina the ‘Queen of Zazzau’.
17 - The official royal history of early Zaria written by professional palace historians and titled the ‘Abuja Chronicle’, published in 1952, tellingly did not include Queen Amina on the Zaria king-list.
18 – The detailed biography of Queen Amina of Zaria we see today was fabricated by the playwright Umar Ahmed in 1954 in his drama play titled ‘Amina Sarauniyar Zazzau’.
19 – It was unsuspecting scholars, including the Colonial historian S.J. Hogben and the post-Independence academician Professor Abubakar Sa’ad who unwittingly gave scholarly credence to the Queen Amina of Zaria myth.
20 – World renowned historians, including Professor Abdullahi Smith and Professor Murray Last, have conclusively demonstrated that Queen Amina of Zaria never existed.

Point 3 is factually incorrect. Islam penetrated Hausa land as early as the 14th century. And Hausa rulers with Islamic/Arabic names predate the 16th century, Mohammed Rumfa of Kano being a notable example.

Some of the other points are weak as well.

If we argue that Amina doesn't exist because there are no contemporary written records that mentioned her, then by the same token we can argue that most of the celebrated figures of Nigerian history before the coming of the Europeans didn't exist, since there are equally no contemporary documents mentioning them.

As usual Dr Ndagi Adullahi is writing with an agenda. He subtly sneaks in his pan-Nupe agenda in point 10. Those of us who have been following his harebrained writings know what he is up to.

OloYeOfEgbE:
Sorry the thing too long...

If she wasn't Hausa....Uhmmm are you saying she is IGBO.?

As the oldest tribe,you feel me... that thing too long and night don come

The writer of the article (Ndagi Abdullahi) isn't Igbo. The OP who shared it here isn't Igbo. The word Igbo doesn't appear even once in the article.

But you don drag Igbo enter the discussion. This obsession is not healthy oh.

What does diabolical mean?

Someone that goes around murdering people when a prophet that has been dead for over 1000 years is insulted is more diabolical than someone that quietly worships his Ogwugwu or his Osun and does nobody any bad.

Tinubu or Atiku will win it, because Nigerians are addicted to suffering.

Was the Alaafin even a practising Muslim, with his 18 wives?

Are there no MODS here anymore ffs?!

Sweetplum:
I know your dad's nut

My dad nutted in you? Is that what you do for a living?

Sweetplum:
you are mad

Your father is mad.

Sweetplum:
Igbos just v natural hate n pride. We are meant to be one

What is the meaning of this unprovoked display of stupịdity on a positive post such as this one?

blackboy:
When I was in Enugu , the Akakaliki was part of Enugu. I noticed how they looked down on those from that side. I dont think it is hatred just a normal thing of one feeling better than the others or looking down on the other. I didnt ask oo as you know it was obvious Im not from that area and I dont want to put mouth where I go blame myself later.

Stereotyping and looking down on some subgroups is an unfortunate but rather commonplace thing in large ethnic groups, where perfect homogeneity of culture and uniform development is absent. Sub-groups that have been more favored by Westernization and Urbanization will tend to look at less fortunate subgroups as 'bush people'. There's nothing particularly Igbo about it. I've lived in the SW, and I know and have heard the things certain subgroups say about other subgroups.

Looool. May the lies you people tell in your efforts to throw discord among the Igbo give all of you onu ikputu.

Nobody calls Ebonyi people 'osu'. That was the first sign that you are a harbinger of mischief and discord.

Because of the development gap between Ebonyi and the other SE states, there was some tendency for Ebonyi people to be looked down on, but that is fast disappearing as Ebonyi State is rapidly developing, especially in the area ot infrastructure.

But they were never called OSU at any point. That is a lie some of you in the SW came up with to foment trouble between brothers.