₦airaland Forum

konoplyanka:
Yes I'm from eastern yoruba and we don't know esusu. The only thing we know is ajo.

However, I don't believe yoruba could borrow words from ibos owing to the fact that Yoruba migration pattern don't go east. We only go west and north.

The ibos on the other hand could have borrowed a lot from yoruba as they migrate to our land.

First of all, I did not even claim Yoruba people borrowed any word from Igbo. Your brother has actually been the one insinuating that a word that, in all probability was inherited in common, was borrowed from Yoruba.

Secondly, Igbo people only started moving into your land in colonial times, in the 20th century. We are talking about words that have been in use in Igboland before that time. So your second point is moot.

scholes0:
That is because Esusu is the older term in Yoruba language. Ajo is a recent coined word that simply means “Pull together”
Some older Yoruba words are giving way to newer terms.

Even right now, Ajo has become more popular than Esusu because its meaning make more practical sense to the Younger generation of today.

And you think this explanation cannot apply to soso and naani among the Igbo?

By the way the Igbo have a long history of Isusu going back to precolonial times. It was most especially highly developed among the Ngwa. But if I say it passed from Igbo to Yoruba, who now began to use it as an alternative name for a similar system which they called Ajo, heads would explode on this thread.

IjeleNwa:
alright sir,keep whallowing in your ocean of illusion coupled with a dust made naivity. Am not a tribalist,if the word is gotten from yoruba then I will give it to them.I studied linguistic in school,and I did English as master. You can't know a particular language more than the original speakers of. The language.

*sigh*

Go away.

scholes0:
Ajo and Esusu are the same thing. In Yoruba.

I can replace one with the other, anywhere in yorubaland.

I clearly remember some Eastern Yoruba people here saying no one says 'Esusu' where they come from. So it isn't general, even if through contact etc, everyone in Yorubaland now understands what it refers to.

Everyone in Igboland also understands and uses Soso. Even if one part uses it more.

IjeleNwa:
you lied, "Akara" is originally gotten from igbo before it become a lingua word. Same as "oyibo" which Yoruba pronounced as "oyinbo" bcus they adopted it. It either u talking as a tribalist or as a naïve writer. Pls make findings from proper source before u write.

LOL. Okay. This is an old argument on NL. I don't have any interest in rehashing it. I said what I said, and I still believe I was right.

scholes0:
That word Agwa for beans too looks very similar to what the Yoruba version of the word would be.

Sure it isn't from Igala?

cc: Probz

Knowing that you are better informed than this, I can only conclude that you are just being mischievous here.

Archaeologists know we have been cultivating beans in this part of the world for thousands of years, since neolithic times.

The fact that Yorubas call beans 'ewa' and the Igala call it 'egwa' and the Igbo 'agwa' is only evidence that our common Kwa ancestors were already growing beans before they split.

There are several other cognates like that (eg., cognates for money, house, goat, etc) which historians use as indicators of the level of our material and mental culture thousands of years before we separated into distinct ethnicities.

scholes0:
The fact that it isn't even a universally shared Igbo word points more in the direction of it diffusing into the Anambra axis from an external language source.

I knew you were gong to say that. Ajo, Esusu. Do you think the Yoruba borrowed one from an external language?

scholes0:
Isn't "SOSO" the Yoruba word for Only?

One of those shared words. Around Anambra it is 'soso', too. In much of Imo it is 'naani'.

Probz:
I haven’t but I’ll have a look around for it.

What do you mean by outdated? Not that I don’t know what you’re hitting it. I just weren’t sure if you meant in the way it uses racial language (throwing around nigger as was the norm for that time) or something a little deeper.

No, it is not about any racist language. I don't even remember seeing the word nigger even once in it.

What I meant is the book was written around 1912, when much wasn't really known in the outside world about Africa's history, due to shortage of archaeological and other kinds of research into African history. Consequently, some of the information in the book is now known to be incorrect.

For example, the book says the Negro race originated in Asia and moved into Africa. That was the current belief at the time, now known not to be true. Also its chronology of Ancient Egyptian history is a bit out of whack.

Why do you hate Germans?

1. Intermarriage with local populations.

2. Incorporation of slaves (Maccube) and originally non-Fulani dark-skinned people (Balebe) into Fulani society.

aljharem:
So many false statement here. Alaia and moi moi are borrowed words from Yoruba. Until the amalgamation of Nigeria there was nothing like bean in igbo land. The demography does not favour such!!!!. So how did they get food made from beans. Haha!!!!!

The bolded is rubbish. Various legumes, including beans (agwa) were well established in Igboland before amalgamation.

Probz:
Is akara not a shared word between Yoruba and Igbo?

No. Borrowed word.

'Imu oso' is not a Jamaican patois expression. The post where you got this from misinterpreted the source material.

'Akara' is also not Igbo. It is Yoruba.

Other Igbo words in Jamaican Patois that could have been added are:

Attoo (chewing stick) from Igbo 'atu' and chinch/chink (bedbug) from Igbo 'chinchi.'

gregyboy:
here we go again .dont you know about mutation or adaptation now do even wonder why a west africa man hair is strong and not curly .scientifically our humidity in west africa is vey low resulting to strong hair but this hair need not to fall or be full like the white man hair because of low humidity and you are aware the brains needs oxygen to enhance is systems. But for the white is other wise there is no much sunlight over there and humidity is higher with more of cold and more humidity the scalp of the head needs to well covered and relaxed to protect the skull not to get frozen ...as for the hair colour of the australians mutation also happened there blonde hair ,blue eyes,etc this is all seen in western part of the world where there is no sunlight giving them a set of mutation of adaptation i bet you the black americans of today will mutate years to come with no west african interference to become more of the australians aborigines .even now it is even started like there have light skinned, thier hair is becoming relaxed etc...i wonder if you havnt seen the black indians who leave in a temeperature hotter than west africa and when cold probably more colder thsn west africa thats mutation for both cold and hot region they have...we have light skin people in west africa some light skin people can even pass for a white person imagine those set of people are seen as outcast and driven to place like europe dont you think thier mutation outcome will be of white ....africa is the home of genetics even the Europeans dont give birth to dark skin children but we give birth to albinos and fair people take mike euzeguna as an example probably on skin tone is even more fair than ramsey noah who is partly white

*Long, tired sigh*

This is why arguing with Nigerians is such a hard chore: They very quickly forget (or confuse) the matter at hand and ramble off into other quite different issues.

Who is arguing mutation and adaptation with you? Did I tell you I didn't know all humans originally came from Africa, and that the reason different human groups look different is because of mutation and adaptation to different environments?

All I have said, all I have been saying, is that the Australoid race has distinct physical features from African Negroes. And I have demonstrated that. This rambling about mutation and adaptation is even an implicit concession to the fact that they look different.

Biko, I am not doing again. Be going. Thank you.

I don't know what the law is in Dubai, but I do know that a woman can get arrested there for getting raped. As in, the victim of rape herself can get arrested for being a victim!

A place like that doesn't sound to me like they will have provisions for spousal rape. The guy's story is suspect to me.

The two of you are really funny uninformed people. Wallahi. Gregyboy didn't know Madagascans are part-Indonesian (something that is common knowledge), and Olu posted pictures of long curly-haired darkies with very characteristically Australoid faces and said they look West African. Only the last guy playing the dridge looks West African in the picture. That is what is called an outlier, and they exist in all racial groups. The second to last guy wearing an earring has an ambiguous look too, but expert eyes can quickly pick out the aboriginal features of his face and categorise him accordingly.

If you had said the people of Papua New Guinea or the Andaman Islands look West African, it would have been a different matter. But Australian Aborigines? Everyone who has the least acquaintance with them knows they are a distinct racial group and have a distinct look.


Anyway, Olu is someone I have learnt not to take seriously; his brain may be touching a little bit. Just look at how he launched into a completely unrelated diatribe about Yoruba and Benin here --- Like how the fück is that even related to the topic at hand??

Have you read Dubois' 'The Negro'? It's a little book. Very readable. Also very outdated. But still, I'll count it as one of the best summaries of black history I have ever read.

gregyboy:
Dont be dogmatic not all australians have blonde hair

Even after I said 'SOME', you still went ahead to say this?

Anyway, go to Australia and spend some time there. I guarantee you that nobody - not one person! - will ever mistake you for anything other than an African or a person of African descent. They know what Aborigines look like over there.

Madagascans are a mixture of people that came from Indonesia and Bantus from the African Mainland, so they fall in a spectrum: some are quite black, so black they are like regular Africans, some look like the basic blasian (black + Asian), and some (not a very big number) show a predominant Indonesian roots in their phenotype. Those are probably the ones you consider Chinese-looking. But trust me, Asians can tell the difference between southeast Asians (Filipinos, Indonesians, Vietnamese) and East Asians (Koreans, Northern Chinese, Mongolians). And your 'light-skinned' Madagascans will still have a hard time passing off as a Chinese. India is out of the question.

Australian aborigines.

Notice the hair texture, the brow ridges, the wide faces. Don't be entirely focused on skin colour. These people don't look West African.

gregyboy:
1—2 photos are Madagascan
3—4 photos are Australian negros

Madagascans are too dark-skinned to be Chinese-looking (thanks to their 50% black African DNA) , and too slint-eyed to be Indian-looking. A typical Indonesian cannot pass for Chinese, 'talk less of' a Madagascan.

Photo 3 is not an Australian aborigine. That's Don Cheadle, an African American actor.

Australian aborigines have very heavy brow ridges, broad heavy-looking faces and they don't have the kind of kinky hair West Africans have, some of them are even natural blondes. You can only mistake an Australian aborigine for a West African if you don't know the physical features to look out for.

gregyboy:
Africa is a really diverse race continent

Like madagascar would pass for an asian person be it indian or chinesse they look more like them

West africans would pass for negriod australians in australia

North africa moroco and libyans would pass for Europeans and arabs

Somalian and Ethiopians would pass for Caribbean people or mullato

This why the white believes african is the home of all race

A Madagascan cannot pass for an Indian or a Chinese, except to people who do not know what the different races look like.

And a West African sure as heck cannot pass for an Australian aborigine!

Hah! Another Damilola again?

Public proposals (whether it's the dude proposing or the girl) just make me want to roll my eyes. Do that shït when you are alone. The world doesn't need to see your embarrassment.

There was a certain Native American people that did this kind of head-shaping. The Anasazi, I think.

reverendwillie:
Hmm..... well let's say I'm not the biggest fan of christianity I tend to take a liking to those who practice indigenous 'religions'

Indigenous religions? Gudit was not a practitioner of an indigenous African religion. She was a follower of Judaism.