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zenmaster:
Igbo amaka

1985? You've gotta have something from 1985.

zenmaster:
^^ Which, in itself, is a CLAIM.

Okay. The true meaning of claim eludes you. But all right.

zenmaster:

You really need to go and study.
Go for the festival and respect our Omenala

Just one picture. In short, I will even accept one from 1970.

zenmaster:
And Afigbo did not make claims himself?

You are not following at all, are you?

Afigbo made no claims; he called out an unfounded claim because it was {dramatic pause} unfounded.

zenmaster:
Respect your elders

These are not my elders. My elders will not disgrace their heritage in this manner.

But if you show me a picture of Aguleri chiefs wearing the star of David in 1940, I will consider respecting these people.

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zenmaster:
Daniel Lis is not a quack

I have told you this before. Daniel Lis studied a claim.

Daniel Lis did not in the book prove or even set out to prove the correctness of that claim.

You never even read the book or you would have known this.

And Daniel Lis is one historian.

I gave you a list of distinguished Igbo historians. You gave me the name of one little-known white man.

If it was the other way around now, and I was the one bringing up the name of a white scholar, it is still people like you that will accuse me of believing a white man can tell our history better than our own scholars.

zenmaster:
CNN is not quack also

Surely you can tell the difference between reporting a claim and confirming that said claim is correct.

zenmaster:
Go and study.

I only need to look at the name of the writer to know it is not worth my time. A "Rabbi Tochukwu" will write anything to attach himself to a people whose religion he has appropriated.

zenmaster:
Years of academic research point to the the Igbo-Hebrew connection.

Your personal incredulity is not enough to refute the mass of research work.

Mass of research work from who? The Igbo nation has produced an impressive train of world-acknowledged historians:

Dr Kenneth Dike

Professor Anene

Adele Afigbo

Don Ohadike

John Oriji.

Etc.

None of them support this Israel trite. Afigbo, the doyen of Igbo historical studies, explicitly calls it nonsense.

Only quacks (many of them not even proper historians) who self-publish because their work is too crappy to be accepted by reputable journals support this Israel myth. So much for "mass of research work".

zenmaster:
Correcting fallacies while embracing new fallacies

NEW fallacies?? LMAO!

Your great grand father never knew nothing about no Jewish connection. The pure unadulterated oral tradition of the Igbo people didn't say zit about Israel. It is something Western-educated people sneaked into our story.

Tell me again between the two of us who is peddling NEW fallacies?

zenmaster:
Please wake up from your slumber

I could say the same for all you Igbo Zionists.

zenmaster:
If you dont have bad-belle, why is the matter paining you like this?

To normal people, correcting fallacies (which is what I have been doing here and on the other thread) is not "bad belle" and "paining". Maybe you're the one pained by my refutation of pseudohistorical junk.

I have a stake in the way Igbo history is told or mistold, because I am Igbo.

zenmaster:
Despite your bad belle, Eze Eri keeps getting multiple invitations to Jewish events.

"Bad belle"? LMAO! Over what, bikonu?

Whatever functions the Ezeora of Aguleri or anybody else for that matter attends has no bearing on facts. This function was even organised by wannabe Jews of European descent. So it's the ideal place for him to be - among other wannabes.

Again, please explain what there is to have "bad belle" about in this matter.

zenmaster:
Yes but not all analogies fly




This one was published November 11, 2014. Long after the demise of the hamitic hypothesis

Yes, by Daniel Lis. One of the voodoo doctors striving to keep the corpse of the dead hypothesis active.

Secondly, I hope you know the book only documents a claim, and never sealed it as irrefutable fact.

zenmaster:
We are talking about Igbo people.

It was an analogy - you know what that means?

This is not a good argument.

It is a good argument, in context of your using 'Igbophobia' on Igbos who disagree with the Hebrew story.

And stop sharing screenshots from books written when the diffusionist and the Hamitic hypotheses were the only way people could explain the rise of culture in Africa. African history as a robust field of scholarship has advanced beyond that nonsense.

zenmaster:
Igbo-phobia is bad for your health

Igbophobia?

You people have used that word so much has lost all meaning. So if someone doesn't believe Oduduwa came from Arabia, like some people claim, he is now Yoruba-phobic.

Many proud Igbos believe the Hebrew claims are nonsense, and they are still proud Igbos.

zenmaster:
The similarities between Igala and Igbo do not negate the similarities between Igbo Omenala and ancient Hebrew religion

Ok.

SouthEastFacts:
Sorry, you should be the one doing that?

If there is anything like Eri Kingdom, then there should be Eze Eri. They are known as The 5 Eri Kings.

Even His Majesty, The Eze Ora referred to himself as Eze Eri the 34th on his official facebook page

https://mobile.facebook.com/Eze.Eri/?_rdc=1&_rdr

Duh. Because his name is Eri. Chukwuemeka Eri. There is no such thing as Eze Eri as a stock titular designation for one let alone five kings.

zenmaster:
your first time in the SE abi

I have been here practically all my life, lived in Oba, Awka, Onitsha, Enugu. My hometown is just across the Niger in Illah. Aguleri and the whole Omambala area is so close to us, we intermarry, we trade together, we share cultural values and kinship.

You know you could just point out what is incorrect in what I said, right?

SouthEastFacts:
I am from Abia and I know who my king is.

Eri had 5 sons and each of them are the Custodian of the 5 ofor of Ndi Igbo. They are all referred to as Divine Kings. Each of them is referred to as Eze Eri or the 5 Kings of Eri. Sorry for that mistake, its Eze Eri not Eze Nri.

Aguleri is the headquarters of the Eri Kingdoms, hence Eze Eri of Aguleri, the Eze Akaji Ovo Igbo is the paramount ruler. The Obu Gad is in his palace. There is no corruption of that word. You ain't wiser than The 5 Kings.

According to history, Onoja is founder of Igala kingdom, but not an Attah. He is believed to be a son of Eri by his second wife.

Igala and Igbos culture to me are not similar. They language sounds same but differs sharply in meaning.

Not from Anambra. I thought as much. Suffice it to say that there's is a lot of inaccuracies in this comment. For example, no one is referred to as Eze Eri - that designation simply does not exist. The Aguleri monarch's title is Ezeora. You should check where you're getting your information from.

zenmaster:
I can bet you have never been to the SE

And you'd be wrong. I am typing from there right now.

SouthEastFacts:
So you are telling over 50 million people their history?

How do explain the Obu Gad in the Court of Eze Nri?

Igala and Igbo are not even culturally similar? The two languages do not share root words?

50 million people don't believe this Israel connection. Even if they did, how is that proof that they are right?

Obu Gad in the court of Eze Nri? There is no such thing in the court of the Eze Nri. You are mixing up different towns, sir. The so-called Obu Gad is in Aguleri. Eze Nri is in Agukwu and Oraeri. And Obu Gad is a recent corruption of Obu Ugam. Are you from Anambra?

Igbo and Igala do not share root words? LOL. Please go and look at the two languages, sir. The similarities are more natural and plentiful than the forced 'similarities' some of you have manufactured for Hebrew and Igbo.

SouthEastFacts:
Are you sure you know what that festival is all about?

It is to mark the coming of Eri, the Son of Gad, the Son of Jacob to Igbo land.

Star of David is the symbol of Isreal and Isreal is Jacob. So I don't see anything wrong celebrating a son of Isreal with the symbol of Isreal.

LOL.

Eri didn't come from farther north than Igala. Y'all should stop this willful self-deceit.

That Star of David thing is infuriating. Arrgh!

ibedun:
Igbo and copy copy!!!

They have copied and 'stolen' Yoruba's danshiki, copy Israeli star of David. Shoe us a picture of the same festival just 40 yrs ago na wrapper and shirt go full the picture.

Ibo-made festival!!!!!

LOL. And the Yorubas didn't copy danshiki. Even the word itself is Hausa.

Plateau names sound really cool.

Ogoni names too.

No information exists on pre-colonial homosexual practices among the Igbo, as far as I know. Research among the Hausa, the Fon of Benin, Uganda, Lesotho, and the Bantu of Central Africa, among others will prove more fruitful.

gidgiddy:
There are many people who have the old Biafran currency in their possesion. Unlike other currency which in Nigeria which people only had to take to the bank to change to the new version, such never happend with the Biafran currency. The end of the war saw many people with worthles Biafran pounds which many kept for the sake of posterity.

Are the Police going to start arresting everyone who kept the Biafran corrency from the war?

Azzin. My grandfather was in the East during the war. He used to have (I don't know if he still does) some of the old Biafran currency in his wardrobe. Strictly as mementos. When I was in secondary school, I'd take some of it to school to show my friends. So if someone does what I did in secondary school today, he could get arrested?

Crazy.

4koff:
Government ban any Ipob flag, insignia etc. For public And that includes the currency

Still stupid and undemocratic. The Government is killing an ant with a sledgehammer here. Carrying money that has next to no value as a legal tender shouldn't be something to trouble oneself over. When you let little things like that bother you, IPOB is actually winning - you give them more relevance than they deserve.


Hanging up an IPOB flag on public property is a different matter; it is not comparable to having Biafran currency on your person.

This is stupid. Money that is useless, except as a collector's item?

So if they catch me with manilla or cowries they will arrest me?

KingSango:
By whose authority that you post disagreements with my words? Who is the authority over Igboland like the Alaafin is the official traditional ruler of all Yoruba people? Is he your Mr. Kanu who has disappeared? There is no empire of Igboland who put an end to the varied, some good, but evil practices by Igbos. Yoruba Obas have authority over other Obas with the Alaafin head of the all, some empires only have one king and the red caps and chiefs. Igboland has no such organization, they are a loose body of people ruled by different kings and villages practicing opposing customs. Some Igbo towns still kill twins and there is no unified law to stop them because its their custom. Ase, Love Sango

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