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Is this not premature senility?

Someone that could not gather three votes from his kindred during the gubernatorial election in his state wants to go and run for president.

Probz:
Not a lot of people on here will. There’s a fine line between discipline and assault.

And no. White people don't have culture, not really.

If by culture, you mean unquestioned and unchanging (or very very slowly changing) ways of doing things handed down unaltered from centuries unending, then I agree.

But that isn't what culture is really. Perhaps, you meant to say white people have abandoned tribal traditions.

DejiSantos:
Theres a reason why European nations are less violent.

Normalising violence from young with smacking is not good.

Im sure you cam out fine. Buy you might have come out better if your parents had spoken to you instead of hitting you.

There's a stronger connection between poverty and violence than there is between spanking children and violence.

We are more violent largely because we are poorer.

Bacteriologist:
The word "Naiveness" in that context is very correct.

And no, your argument does not hold water nor should be taken seriously if it cannot be backed up by facts and/or statistics.

Listen to yourself bloke, "spanked their kids until very recently." The fact that they once did it doesn't make it - by any chance- right. They stopped it... And Yes they actually made it ILLEGAL in those countries. Why? because it's wrong.

Little wonder Africa is behind the first world countries and by extension continents by a million and one miles. Thanks to cavemen like you.

Spanking is still legal in many first world countries.

Theydontcare:
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.

Bantus are what?

LOL.

We West Africans had already settled the lands we occupy today (much of it anyway) before the Bantus branched off from us to settle the lands they occupy today.

Her story is interesting and all.

But is there any need to have a new post about her every week?

I attended a Catholic Church in the east once where they played the oja and the ivory trumpet during consecration. The man playing the oja was wearing the striped floppy hat called okpu agu, and the man playing the ivory trumpet was dressed like a titled man, complete with red cap and eagle feather.

People who have a problem with that are just ignorant. The Christianity we practise contains pre-Christian elements that Europeans added to it before bringing it to us. Who said we too cannot add our own?

Why, why, why do people go on other people's profiles (someone you are not feeding or paying their bills or even have any close relationship with) to tell them what to do?!

Same mum? He looks considerably more mixed than both of them. They look like normal light-skinned black Africans.

Olu317:
I don't engage people who chose insightful word against others. Most of you that does these things are not educated because, education gives one the edge of being a refined person(s) but it is obvious some people lack etiquette.

Kindly go through this little info and if you need to read more, you can check one of the source below on Ibo history.

Nicholas Wade ex-raying new research findings that use mathematical methods of biological DNA analyses to analyze phoneme frequencies (frequencies of sounds and tones of vowels and consonants) as they occur in various distant languages of the world to determine language origins, has not only lend much weight to our own conclusions, but it has made the Igbo language and cultural area a subject for international linguistic and historical discourse.
The conclusion by the Atkinson research team that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa supports our own thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. Our thesis that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.


EGYPTIAN WORDS OF IGBO ORIGIN
The Egyptian word for ‘gods’ is NTR or
Neter. It means ‘Guardian or Watcher’. Its Igbo equivalent/original is Onetara (meaning – ‘He who
guards and watches’ over a thing on behalf of someone else). The Igbo original is more explicit, for it shows that these lesser gods are answerable to a Higher Being.
The highest and oldest of the known gods of Egypt was Ptah. He was the father of all the other gods. His name, Ptah , means in Egyptian, ‘He who fashions things by carving and opening up”. The Igbo original of this word is Okpu-atu (meaning ‘He who moulds/fashions things by carving and opening up’. Igbo word tuo/atu
means both ‘to carve and to open a hole’). Ptah’s rule over Egypt began as early as 21,000 BC! If his name and the collective name for the gods of Egypt, Neter, were Igbo in origin, it implies that an ancient civilization of Igbo extraction existed in West Africa, where the gods, and not men ruled, by at least 22,000 BC; that Egypt was an originally Igbo-speaking civilization and that early Egyptians were Igbos.

Ptah’s son was called Ra , meaning ‘Sun/Daylight’. It’s Igbo original was Ora (which in Afa
– the cult language of Igbo native priests, also meant ‘Sun/daylight’).
The grandson of Ra was called Osiris by the Greeks and Asar by the Egyptians. Osiris’ was associated with the number ‘seven’. No one knows the meaning of his name in Egypt [12] , but in Igbo language Asaa means ‘seven’!
The son of Osiris was called Horus. This is a Greek version of a native Egyptian word Heru , which means ‘Face’, as in ‘Face of the Sun’. Its Igbo original is Iru – ‘Face’. Horus was known as the Lord of the Horizon. The Horizon being known to the Egyptians as the land of the Rising Sun, a place located in the Southwestern direction from Egypt - the original mythological home of the gods of Egypt. Our analyses shows that this land of the Rising sun was known in several other world mythologies as the Center/Navel of the Earth.

culled from. www.faculty.ucr.edu

Learn to cross-check information before you go sharing them.

This excerpt is from a write-up by the notorious Catherine Acholonu. You didn't copy the link correctly but I can spot her writing from outer space. What's more, I did a little digging and found the paper it came from.

As she does (or did) all the time, she completely misinterpreted the works of better-qualified scholars - in this case Nicholas Wade and Quentin Atkinson - and used their work to reach conclusions that would have left both men with a heart attack.

Atkinson says languages probably originated in Southwestern Africa (i.e., the Namibia area) among the Khoisan. Catherine Acholonu misrepresents what the poor man said and arrived at the conclusion that southwestern Africa means West Africa, and used that to support her own theory that language originated in Igboland.

Here's the original paper that Nicholas Wade wrote:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/science/15language.html?referer=https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=phonetic+clues+Nicholas+Wade+Africa&dcr=0&oq=phonetic+clues+Nicholas+Wade+Africa&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3...3412.24579.0.25595.52.45.4.2.2.1.520.9916.4j16j7j2j10j1.40.0....0...1c.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..35.17.3365.UnPdNbPus5w

Here's the paper you quoted from, written by Acholonu, after reading Nicholas Wade's paper:

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/igbo/westafricanorigin.htm

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Acholonu either has some serious problems with comprehension or was a very mischievous human being or both. Either way she was no scholar and I cannot take you seriously if her work is your reference.

Olu317:
I am disappointed in your quick assertion . What is ancestry without sampling of blood trait? By only oral account? No wonder, you quickly jumped over board. Go and verify what exactly DNA means. I will not get involved in a pathetic and non educational issue you want to raise up. If you can't understand the connection between studies carried out and blood related link across the world, then there's no need to engage such personality as yours. Then on the issue of Ibo language is beyond your own Ibo professor known as Catherine. In fact Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand and others carried out more test on Ibo language variation. If you hate being called Bantu or ancient Egyptians, then you can sue the scientists who had done conclusive test on the ancient words similarity between Ibo language and ancient Egypt.
Cheers

*sighs*

Olu, conversation with you has always been so darn hard because you lack understanding on the most fundamental level.

You are unable to understand that the pictures you posted is a DNA test result of an individual showing his degrees of connections to various African ethnicities, and not a chart showing how the different groups of Africans are related to one another. I pointed that out to you, but as is typical of you, you failed to understand what I was pointing out and you proceeded to assume that I did not know about DNA and genetics. Dude, I trained as a microbiologist.

In any case, the Yoruba individual whose DNA results you posted, shows evidence of being more related to the Igbo and other West African Niger-Congo speakers than to the Afro-Asiatic speaking Hausas and the Bantu groups, except for the Bamum and Fang in Cameroun. So what really is your point?!

You don't sound like you understood Quentin Atkinson's work, either. Atkinson's work was on the possible origins of language in southern Africa (among the Khoisan). Where you managed to get that he did 'test on Ibo language variation' from, only you know.

In your usual confused way of communicating, you have brought Ancient Egyptians into a conversation that was originally about Igbos and Bantus. If I ask you now to furnish us with the names (and possibly links to the works) of the scientists who have done this conclusive work on the ancient word similarity between Igbo and Ancient Egyptian, you will go on another rambling confused mind-numbingly stupid monologue.

ImperialYoruba:
Oh so you do agree Catherine Acholonu is a copy and paste scholar, stealing artefacts and history around Africa and labeling them Igbo history.

Anyway, tell why you are scared of bantu.

I want to be a Bantu, I want to come from Congo....but why every Ibo is scared to be called Bantu? I dont get it...

Bantus are in fact (from my perspective anyway) the most interesting black African ethnolinguistic group. A single ethnolinguistic group conquering more than half of the African continent in what was the biggest, most astonishing population movement in modern world history - nudging aside its Khoisan and Pygmy aborigines - must be a very interesting group indeed.

Some of the most fascinating states in subsaharan Africa were established by Bantus - Kongo, Buganda, Bunyoro, Lunda, Great Zimbabwe, Zulu. And some of the most remarkable figures in African history were Bantu - Queen Nzinga, King Afonso of Kongo, Shaka the Zulu, Moshesh of the Basutos, etc.

I would be proud if I was Bantu, but as I am not one I don't want to be called one. Just as I won't want to be called Greek or Chinese even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being either.

But you and your kind know why you came up with this Bantu-Congo thing, and why your ilk are everywhere online taunting Igbo people with it: you want to brand the Igbo an outsider, that's why. And given that modern Congo is quite a poor strife-riven region (thanks in no small measure to the Belgians and their post-colonial Congolese stooges) , you want to brand the Igbo 'unrefined', 'uncivilised' while at it.

Olu317:
Yoruba have no genetic connection as such with Ibos. In fact, the DNA carried on Yoruba and blood related group didn't identify IBO's with Yoruba. The only connections that was found staggering was that Ibo language was classified as the mother of all languages, because it was termed as the oldest language in Africa and the rest of the world. Research has been done on it and more still being carried out. On the Bantu issue isn't as badly as been postulated because Yoruba too have less than 1% blood trait with these group, especially the Bantu of Kenya. The point here is that Ibo-Bantu connection has been postulated and research wouldn't stop until more evidence are given. Language wane once a small group move out from the original source, especially if such language fuse with a new one,which directly become interwoven and becomes related in a new environment.
DNA link group within West Africa to Yoruba

Oh my God, do you even understand that what you posted is an ancestry test result of one person, and not a chart of the genetic closeness (or distance) between the ethnicities listed?

'Ibo-Bantu connection has been postulated'. Postulated by who? Non-scholarly online mischief makers don't count. Give the name of one social scientist or geneticist who has made a postulation like that.

BTW, Igbo being the oldest language, blah blah is yet more pure hogwash. Where do you people pick up these things from - Catherine Acholonu's pseudohistorical mumbo jumbo?

ImperialYoruba:
Indigeneous Igbo exist. They have been silenced by a more noisy and chattery Igbo, I will call it mainstream Igbo for purpose of clarity.

Mainstream Igbo is a settler with origins in Congo and whose original tongue is not Igbo language but Bantoid.

The Bantoid Igbo (the mainstream) migrated to the Udi Hills and later assimilated linguistically. No trace of Bantu left in their dialect but it is evident genetically in their physical features and social evolution.

In all of the ethno types in Nigeria Igbo mainstream has a physique and feature that is an outlier from the pack.

In all the KWA groups, Igbo mainstream does not have similarity with any other in looks or evolution.

This is because its roots is in Bantu, a people historically known for migrating and settling other places. They are physically stocky, muscular and move with quickness.

If there is a Igbo in KWA group it will be the indigenous Igbo that has so far been silenced into the background, they are far less in number and may face extinction.

Look at how mainstream Igbo has continued in its evolution of migration and settlement even till today.

Do you get it now?

What am I supposed to get? The fact that you don't know "evident genetically in their physical features" is ridiculous contradictory nonsense?

Please go and play with someone else.

AlderFadington:
Lol. He's a charlatan and his clearly fuelled by some vendetta against the igbos and his moniker gives him up. I'm not even igbo but I can see that clearly, some of his claims are very comical to say the least.

I am still confused about the Congo story though. I have heard it a couple of times before. And it is always from people trying to ridicule Igbos. Last week on Facebook, a Yoruba guy was mocking me with it. First, I really don't even know why Congo ancestry would be deemed an insult, if indeed it was true.

ImperialYoruba:
Let me start from bottom up....you are fake scientist or pseudo-scientist, whichever you claim to be.

When Ebola broke out as epidemic, didn't scientists first reacted by blaming it on man-ape contact? Later to be proven with precision and immunization. If Africans made such wild claims its called witchcraft but it came from whites so scholars adopted it.

This is the way of the world, there is nothing wrong in listening to a witch's incantation....it is potent and might contain keys to provide breakthrough to hidden mysteries.


There is no ethnic called Cross River people. Are you talking Efik, Ibibio, Afang....they are all Bantu stock with Igbo.

1. I never said Cross River Peoples were one ethnic group. They are a Benue-Congo linguistic family of two subfamilies, Upper Cross and Lower Cross; and they cover a range of ethnic groups from the middle belt (eg, Jukun) through Cross River State and Akwa Ibom State to Rivers State (e.g., Ogoni, which is a Lower Cross group.)

2. Ibibio and Efik are not Bantu. The Igbo even less so. The closest we have to Bantu in Nigeria are the Tiv, the Ejagham and the non-Efik elements in Calabar, such as the Efut. These groups are 'Bantoid', and migrated from the 'east', i.e., Cameroon/Central Africa.

3. You clearly do not know diddly squat about African genetics and linguistics and you are clearly just here to waste people's time with nonsense.

Not me. Not today.

ImperialYoruba:
Do you not have a counter material you can submit?

Yes. Genetic studies have shown that the Igbo cluster more with other West Africans with whom they share linguistic ties, than with Central Africans.

They also show some genetic relations with the peoples of the Cross River language-group. This is because as they expanded from the Niger-Benue homeland of the proto-Kwa speaking stock, they most probably met and mingled with Cross River-speaking peoples. (The Cross River speakers are not Bantu, but they belong to the same Benue-Congo family as the Bantu.)

The cultural and linguistic differences between the Igbo and other Kwa-speakers are largely due to this mingling with Cross River peoples.

This your claim of distant Congo roots is extraordinary and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, of which you have nothing.

And for the last time, inferences, deductions, theories, hypotheses, etc are based on EVIDENCE, not conjectures pulled randomly out of a hat. Further evidence strengthens or disproves a hypothesis/theory, but there must be some evidence to begin with...unless you are just a village witch-doctor trying to solve a case of cholera outbreak by blaming some old woman with no evidence to back it up.

ImperialYoruba:
I think the point I made went above your comprehension.

You have a stream of people generally called Fulani but with variants like tukulor, pulo, fulde, wodabe and so on. The sub that is in Nigeria has left behind its language which is still spoken at source but now speaks Hausa the indigeneous tongue of a different group it met here.

Similarly, there is a people stream known as Bantu, with variants like congo, pygymy, igbo. Those Bantus in Nigeria left their language of origin behind and speak indigeneous tongues they met here.

To some extent this explains why some communities in SE say because they speak Igbo does not make them same people anthropologically with the mainstream that is ambitious to claim and collapse them under its cultural umbrella. They remain independent because they are the indigenous and authentic Igbo speaker, the mainstream is the Bantu element that settled within and assimilated to the local language.

Aha! Just what I suspected. Like everybody I have encountered who is pushing this Igbos-are-from-Congo story, you have a mischievous motive for doing so. You were not even subtle in the highlighted paragraph.

ImperialYoruba:
We have to start somewhere...conjecture isn't a totally wrong approach if it acts as a gateway into treasures of anthropological realities that bind Igbo and Bantu in a far more kinship than could be found anywhere else beyond the Congo basin.

Conjecture that is unbacked by empirical evidence is useless as far as scholarship is concerned. It is quite that simple.

SPOPOVICH:
No need for any genetic test, go to central africa and see the physical resemblance.

Are you trying to be funny? Phenotypic evidence alone (if it even really exists for the groups in question) is far from conclusive.

People used to think Khoisan peoples got their eyes from Mongoloid immigrants from Asia. We now have genetic evidence that that is incorrect.

ImperialYoruba:
There is no doubt about this.

Some not-so-smart people believe that because Igbo language is classified linguistically as a KWA, which Yoruba is, Edo is, Idoma, and as well Igala, therefore all these members were one people with Igbo in a distant part.

These fanciful scholars failed to take empirical model from the Fulani, a distant ethnicity with its origin on the extreme end of West Africa and with a totally distinct language which now speaks Hausa.

Igbo assimilated into the KWA language, it has forgotten its tongue left behind in Congo, which is not in any way related or close to KWA.

So, any genetic evidence of this Congo origins, or should we take conjectures such as this one as solid evidence?

ehikwe22:
Cattle is never the issue here bro. the Christian farmers that's been massacred in their hundreds and thousands in the dead of the night in their villages, and those massacred in their own farm, their farm is playing ground abi? Who's the aggressor here? Who's going about his business peacefully and another uninvited evil guest appears to take his sleep away? You said you are not a good Muslim but bro, you are a good Muslim. Good and Islam are ironic to the word "good". To be a good Muslim, you must be a killer or support killers. And you've been caught doing the second here who also knows how many people you've killed in the name of senseless jihad?

I am a Southern (nominal) Christian. But the bolded statement is very, very ignorant.

Afam4eva:
Gisele Bundchen is originally from Germany. Her parents settled in Brazil.

Her parents were not settlers. She's a sixth-generation Brazilian. Which means her family had been in Brazil for over a century before she was born.

Ikengawo:
Go find a job and marry a wife. Stop lingering in childhood perpetually

We have passed that propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbSAXXDvUw

What propaganda? Do you even understand my position on this and why I made the comment I made, or is your blood just 'hotting' you this evening?

HopeAtHand:
If you can explain to a clearly discernable degree, maybe, just maybe, I can agree with you.


First, allow me to remind you that Ikwerres being distinct from Igbos is a matter of ancestry and not because of divergence in language or culture.

Granted, Ikwerre and Igbo have some shared words and also share some customs but that alone shouldn't be the reason to arrive at your conclusion.

Mr. Ikengawo, i believe you believe you are the son of your father and your father's father's. You should have your genealogy, even if not documented, atleast the oral version. If you migrate to Sokoto and birth your kids there, after even 10 generations, they Shud still be able to identify themselves as Igbos. So if Hausas try to claim them as theirs, they can point their ancestry as the reason why they can be hausas.

Now for the record, IKWERRES are descendants of IWHRONHA, the son of Akalaka, a prince in Benin during the dynasty of Oba Ewuare.

The reason Ikwerre is not Igbo is because they do not want to be. Simple. This ancestry argument is weak and even a little annoying. Reason being that a significant chunk of southeast Igbos also have non-Igbo ancestry if we follow their history, be it Igala, Benin, or Akwa-Cross. Being Igbo has never been about ancestry, but about linguistic ties.

Just say that Ikwerre people are not interested in a pan-Igbo identity and be done with it. The ancestry argument has never been a good one.

Jesse01:
Brazil are not mix race lol I maybe wrong to say dat dey are hapsinc but to say dat dey are mix race is a no no

A large chunk of the Brazilian population is mixed na. Lol.

Someone like Pele is apparently Black. Someone like Gisele Bundchen is apparently white. But a very significant percentage of Brazilians are mixtures of two or the three races I mentioned and are 'brownish'

Jesse01:
oh I though dey are hispanic , u sure dat dey are not Caribbeans?

Yes. Brazil is located on the continent of South America. Along with Argentina, Ecuador, Peru, etc.

The Caribbean are a group of islands located east of the American continents, including Jamaica, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, etc.

Jesse01:
they are Caribbeans , and Caribbeans are not black dey are hispanic

Brazil is not in the Caribbean; and Brazilians are technically not Hispanic. Hispanics are Spanish-speaking. Brazilians speak Portuguese.

They are:
1. White
2. Black
3. Native American
4. Varying mixtures of 1, 2 and 3.

DevdanSanguine:
Ikara is another non hausa LG. Both Barau and Dikko are fulani names so he is also not hausa so this just sums up your confusion. I also doubt hes a christian BTW but like i said even if he is... Go and get your sources right.

I know the guy he is talking about. Russell Barau Dikko. He's a Fulani from Zaria, not Hausa (You're right about that.) He's also a Christian. I think he's also been called the first Northern Nigerian graduate.

Ikechuob:
She's not anioma. Please stop insulting us. That woman for 1.) Does not look like an anioma. Anioma women are not that ugly abeg. 2.) She does not act like an anioma woman. Our women a respectful, tactful and ladylike which she's not. 3.) She's a love-vendor for Godsake. Anioma women do not, DO NOT, engage in such buffoonery.
Please do not insult us. I don't know where that woman came from but she's not one of us. I believe she was adopted.

LOL.

I am from Anioma, too, so chill.

Jesus probably existed. But anyone who thinks the accounts in the Gospels are accurate enough to offer any hints about the probable month of his birth is not even serious.