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Jadonjack:
That is why yu pple bring about so many ridiculous assertions.

My dad gave me a list of commandments he wants me to adhere to in his house, what do yu think ll become of my fate in that house if I don't understand all the rules?!

Exactly.

If you don't understand the rules, you tell your father.,:

Kwarapshun

hahn:
Yes sure.

E remain one question o. Where did you first learn about this god?

You are welcome. You can start off by looking at the mirror.

The journey started when as a Catholic I was constantly harassed by fellow Christians because of my belief. I sought for a unifying factor. .. I thought to myself that something should connect us. Why do we choose to magnify the things that separate us and pay less attention to those that bring us together.

The brotherhood of man (and I dare to add nature... for I will later learn everything on the universe is made of the same stuff) transcends the sovereignty of state.

We are one... We are parts of God.

hahn:
Have you seen this god of yours?

Do you have a picture?

Where did you first learn about this god?

Question plenty o.

ok... I see God all around me. I see him when I look in the mirror. .. I see him when I look at the Amazon... I see him when I stretch my imagination. Yes I have the picture but only a part.... you want to have a look?

hahn:
You are a deist then



Cool

Ewo

But I said I'm a Catholic, hence a theist. The only difference is that I choose not to worship other people's God again but mine.

hahn:
I have no idea what you are talking about

Oh, you mean Krishna. Well, there are about 4,200 other religions in the world and they all disagree with you. If you say Krishna is the almighty god, Christians, Muslims etc all disagree with you. That is 4,199:1. The odds are not in your favor bro

Alright.

I might mean krishna Chrysler or Cadillac or whatever you choose to call it. I am Catholic yes, but to me God is way beyond what the bible describes and what religions paint. I believe everything in life animate and inanimate, all matter and all energy are connected and that is God.

hahn:
I never sounded angry. You must have been reading my comments from your own mood.

@ bolded, which god are you referring to?

Oh my bad. sorry for d misinterpretation, just that I saw no need for the kind if outburst and personal attack. Maybe its me.

Back to my post.... I'm talking about the God from whom all things were made and to whom all things belong.

CAPSLOCKED:

o gini?

hahn:
Lol. Abi?

But since we can now read and understand, why should we continue in the folly of our ancestor's ignorance?

Good you n longer sound angřy.

To your question, no. Humanity is dynamic and that is the way God made it. Now that we can read and right, I suggest we don't throw away the bible still but read and grab what we can. There are a lot of worthwhile life lessons therein.

sonOfLucifer:
hi rejosom, gone through the new tutorials? Waiting for feedback. THanks.

Boss,

I've beeb both busy and Lazy.... but will definitely visit tonight. Thanks a bunch. I will post some of my programs in ur site for vetting. Keep up the gud work boss.

hahn:
And you live your life according to what you do not understand. No wonder you are confused

The bible is not the only thing that confuses me o. Even life itself can be a bundle of confusion sometimes but I live my life simply and strive to see what I will make of it.

One thing you will not do is fault the statement you quoted. Neither you nor I can understand the bible because it was forced on our forefather's throat even when they could not read jack.

One thing with the bible that you atheists don't understand is this:

You cannot understand the bible unless you receive the holy spirit but you cannot receive the holy spirit unless you believe. Yet you cannot believe unless you understand the bible. Bottom line... nobody will ever understand the bible.

DrayZee:
He actually predicted Jonathan would lose. I recall him saying that with the way things were, Jonathan would be better off going to sit down in his village(not sure if he used the name "Jonathan", but he was referring to him)

Taaaa

mrZENographer:
Many shall come in my name and deceive many.
What determines the effectiveness of the name of Jesus in the mouth of a believer is

1) Level of Anointing of God.
2) The Kind and level of gifts of God.
3) Level of one's righteous and relationship with God

Well if you are looking for someone who performs miracles like apostle paul, come to The Lord's Chosen where at the name of Jesus blindness, deaf....unemployment, poverty.....spirit husband, yokes bow.

I hope Seun has collected advert fee from you, else go and confess your sins.

Anas09:
O yes. Am sorry goes a long way to solve whole lot of problems. But some people can't say it. Why?
Am sorry flows out of my mouth like tap water. If that's what will solve the problem, ok. Am sorry you hear? Biko.

Yeah, almost all the times, I'm sorry soothes the situation and opens way for the problem to be solved. However, in my dealings with people, I have come to understand that I'm sorry alone is not enough, a times it appears mechanical. A better way would be I am sorry for doing/saying/assuming so so an so things. That way the person you are apologizing to feels that you deeply acknowledge the situation and you are not just saying 'I am sorry' for peace to reign.

Joagbaje:
The boy is not my responsibility. The gospel is my responsibility. If you believe , come and you have a miracle . I don't need to try to convince you by contest . When you need a miracle you will believe .

There's a testimony I'm on to . Now . A girl was brought to me having typhoid . While praying for her . A demon began to talk how he entered her through food (black egg) given to her in a dream by her friend 7years ago . He said they are to Tommment her for 9 years then kill her . She has 2more years to live . He even mentioned the name of the friend who they used as agent . I cast the demon out . She was healed .

Now listen . She confirmed she had Ben sick for 7 years . I mentioned to her about the black egg . She was shocked . I mentioned to her the name of the friend , she was shocked as though I'm one special prophet . But I captured the ministration on iPad . (Someone helped record ). I then gave her the video to watch . She was in tears . She confirmed everything . She's healed .

The challenge now is that the parent don't want her to attend CEC . They were Muslim then became cac but to commited . The girl was beaten by the dad . I told her to keep coming but I sent two elderly people to the parents to allow her come to church but give me one month . If this girl fall sick within one month she can stop coming to church . They agreed we are counting . But i am lead to stand my ground for such . They knew how much they spent for 7 years . If she allow me I will post the videos . And I believe If theparents see that it's true by the end of the month they will come and testify . And I will document it .

Thank God for using you mightily sir. But the question of the boy not being your responsibility to me is way too mean. Nawa o... If you can do something do... (Jesus looked at them at had compassion... borrow a little compassion sir) humanity is your responsibility biko. If not say so and shame the devil.

And we are still looking for the sponsors?

The Holy book tells us that there is a place of joy (heaven, paradise etc) for those who do God's will and another place of sorrow (Hell, lake of fire etc) for folks who disobey God after death. While this is reasonable (and I don't agree with those who think it dilutes the mercifulness of God) because for every action there is and should be an equal but opposite reaction, however I doubt any Christian actually believes in heaven 100%.

If Mr. John who is a bible believer and a member of my spirit filled church actually believed in heaven, then this will be his reaction to the young man that raped his daughter.

Mr. John: Hello

Rapist: Hi Oga John, I I I .. I'm deeply sorry for what happened, I was deceived by the devil and ...,

Mr. John: (Cuts in) Oh no my dear you see, I should be thanking you for raping my daughter and infecting her with HIV and other STI's now she is going to heaven sooner than we expected. Thanks so much my dear and may God abundantly bless you for restoring our joy. Come and have dinner with us, hope to see u at the funeral.

Rapist:

krattoss:
seminary... den of homosexuals..

I regretted going there.

sorry about your a$$.

lastmessenger:
what i hate most in religion is being close mindedness although logically every human is close minded in some way but some are in the extreme, following whatever they are told to the letter without asking questions. Thanks to the op for allowing his God giving rational ability to come into play in one of the things he has been taught and am convinced that some how you will come to a conclusion.

having considered Christianity and all the practices thereof, i have to believe the words of the great scientist Sir Isaac Newton who wrote and said

" by exercising the love of God and the passionate pursuit of truth,anyone one of us can join the rank of the elect"

doing this is what it means to be a christian. any other thing that people do in the name of Christianity is just secondary.praying through marry, speaking in tongues, giving tithes and offering, going to church everyday of your life is all good when done in good conscience but it pales in comparison to the unwavering love of God and the passionate pursuit of truth.

You have spoken well Sir,

I have always believed that humanity is connected and as such any practices religious or otherwise that disconnect us are not worth it.

Sugarhugs:
Okay, it is going fine, quite easy though, just need to dedicate time for it

Nice teacher there. I will post some of my games. SoL is d man.

frank317:
Searching for the truth is one thing, making up mythical stories is another.

A lot of people have come and gone, trust me, if knowing why we are here is that necessary, our forefathers would have known before they died.
People lived and die without out knowing, why bother urself? I am almost sure there is not reason why we are here. Life is meaningless, just make sense of what u can grasp and move on.

You can view those seemingly mythical stories as the hypothesis with which we work. All should be open to test.

Life itself might be meaningless but it is our duty to make meaning of it.

mrZENographer:
From your replies I see your not ready to learn and just like chatting. Am not going to waste my pearls. But be rest assured that all that worship, pray to Mary, make and pray with graven images, objects are idolatrous. And the idolatrous shall not see the kingdom of God.

Today Nebuchadnezzar is not king of Kings. Jesus had not been birthed yet. And the bible prophesied "A child shall be born. he shall be called wonderful, the mighty God, counsellor, and of the increase of his government and peace THERE SHALL BE NO END.' Isaiah 9:6. Nebuchadnezzar is dead. Jesus came and is alive forever. The messaih. Jesus calls himself the King of Kings. Revelations 19:16, Rev 17,14
And see how you're answering my question like as if I said and not that it is clearly written.

Holyghost/Holyspirit is God. Just as my spirit is me.

see mind yourself. I won't reply you again.

Fair enough.

mrZENographer:
1)Jesus said when he is gone the Holyspirit will teach and give us all things. Gal 5 22 talks about the gift of the Holy ghost. In the book of acts, corlenius while they were praying the Holy ghost came upon them and they spoke in tongues and loved another. We cannot do the will of God without the Holyspirit. Jesus said we must be born if the spirit if we are to enter the kingdom of God. Definitely we can pray to the Holy ghost to teach and direct us in all things. That's his work and is 100% bible doctrine.

2) If is not yes. Confession is restitution. We can tell others the evil we did. The bible said we should not hide our sins. Confession makes you more humble. Confess NOT pray to another.

3) In 1 corthinas 10:3 Bible says we wrestle not against flesh but principalities and powers. Elijah called down fire from heaven to destroy enemies. We know that God is a consuming fire. Also see psalm 97:3 So we are to use it as an instrument of war against demons. Every weapon you can implore against your enemies should be used. When we pray and sing the power of the Holy ghost comes down, we can also call down fire.

4) Then pray to God. A saint or man of God can also be anointed to pray for others. There are several gifts of the Holyspirit.

5) This one shows you hardly know or open your bible. In the bible Jesus calls himself the King of Kings severally. The bible attribute king of Kings to Jesus because that's what he is. The bible attributes queen of heaven to a demon because that is what it is There is no queen in God's heaven (I. e the third heaven). The saints are neither male or female but are like the angels. SEXLESS. Find that in the book of Matthew. The bible only use the terminology 'bride' and her' which only describes the church which Jesus, the BRIDEGROOM will get married to in the day of rapture of the saints.

b) Jesus calls himself 'the bright and the morning star' Revelations. Lucifer was called son of the morning. Isaiah 42:12

We are all learning. Just be teachable when you perceive the truth.

Thanks once again for keeping it as civil as possible even though we are missing the point of the thread by this but for the sake of truth I will answer you.

(1) You did not tell me where any saint (as you put it) in the bible prayed TO the holy spirit. All what you said is true as far as I know but can you point out half a passage in the bible where we are asked to pray TO the holy spirit?

(2) "I confess TO you O lord my God for all my shortcomings". Is this prayer? or restitution? or just confession? or all of the above?

(3) I am very sure it is okay to pray holy ghost fire!!!!!! but you skipped my question and went on to answer your own questions. Can you show me where we were commanded by God to pray "HOLY GHOST FIRE!!!? That's all I asked not the importance. Try to keep it simple next time.

(4) Yeah pray to God, why bother your pastors, saints or men of God? why ask brethren to pray for you when you have direct link to God? That will be undermining the power of God in you, don't you know you are a saint, a priest, a prophet, a man of God? NEVER DO THAT BROTHER. Always pray alone.

(5) I think you are right here, I hardly know or open my bible so I am gonna learn a lot from you today as you know your bible 100%.
I might not know my bible, but I know it well enough to notice that God himself called King Nebuchadnezzar king of kings in Ez. 26:7 and you have confirmed that the same title can be used for Jesus.

frank317:
We don't know why we are here, perhaps we can never know. Why do we even bother about why we are here. Why must we have a reason to be here?
Even all religious explanations as to why we are here is flawed. Being here just to worship a creator is as good as being here to eat. It makes no sense. Even God makes no sense.
Somethings are illusion, somethings are clear others are not. The brain is there for a reason, if you don't use it wisely, u will use it foolishly.

I am a religious person but I have never believed that I am here just to worship my creator. I don't believe I have a predestined purpose, I choose my purpose and I pray and work to achieve it. But be that as it may there still gonna be an explanation somewhere and somehow and this is where religion comes in. I agree with you, some religious explanations tend to become obsolete with changing times, they change, religion itself is dynamic. Why bother you ask, well, life will be as boring as bore if there we did not keep ourselves busy searching for why we are here and maybe someday man will know.

sonOfLucifer:
I'll update this weekend..been really busy. Thanks for following.

Thanks boss.

mrZENographer:
1) No where in the bible does a saint pray to Mary
2) No where does the bible say we pray to one another. It's pray 'one FOR another.'
3) Nowhere are we admonished in the bible to pray with rosaries. But the bible admonishes us to pray lifting up holyhands unto the Lord'.
4) Phillip Ian 4:6 says.'let all your prayers and supplications be made known unto GOD.
5) In the Bible Queen of heaven is mentioned and described as a demon of fornication and wickedness which the Israelites served when they wilfully rebelled against God. I do hear catholics rever Mary as QUEEN of Heaven'.

Saint Mary would be weeping for them. The bible does not backup the aforementioned doctrines of the catholics either as stories or commands.

I can't believe I am going through this cycle again. Well mrZENographer, you deliberately avoided points 2 and 3 of the post you quoted but never mind, that's how we Christians roll. We avoid the tough questions.

(1) True no where did any saint pray to Mary for the same reason why they did not pray to the holy spirit.

(2) Okay, that is true only when we don't regard confession as a form prayer. Because the bible actually said 'confess your sins TO one another'.

(3) The same we were NEVER admonished to pray 'holy ghost fire'.

(4) Exactly, except maybe when you are sick and want to take your problems to bother the elders of the church when you can easily pray to God.

(5) Yes my brother, the catholic church call Mary Queen of heaven. The are damn wrong the same way they err when they call Jesus King of Kings (a title used for a wicked and demonic king) and even calling Jesus morning star imagine using the same title for both our Lord and Lucifer.

You see Jesus must really be weeping for the as well. But that is exactly my point. What do I believe?

sonOfLucifer:
Doesn't mean we believe in lies, no matter how comfy they make us.

Isn't lie relative?

BTW boss, thanks so much for onyenkuzi.com although I have been unable to open some of the tutorials on python, guess u should look at part 4 and 5. Can't find them again on the archive. Thanks

mrZENographer:
It's true the word Trinity is not in the bible but the definitions of it are in many places.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
There are three that bear witness in Heaven: The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost. These three are one. 1 John 5:7
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
I proceeded forth and came out from God. John 16:28
etc etc

Also similar is the word 'RAPTURE' which is not in the bible but it's definition or description is almost everywhere in the new testament. 1 thessalonians 4:18.

These are not from the catholics. The catholics have mixed the bible with their traditions like worshipping or praying to Mary, infallibility of pope, praying with rosary( no where are we commanded or given example to do so. This is pagan practise. if you notice, Islam, Hindus, Buddhist also use beads in their pagan prayers.), making and kneeling before graven images is rampant in Catholism. Infact God hates it. Isaiah 45:16,

Isaiah 44:9 'They that make a graven image are all of them vanity;...'

There is VAST difference BTW catholic christians and 100% bible christians.

I sense a whole lot of sincerity in what you wrote up here. I must commend you for that, again I see you are so good with your scriptures. Kudos. However, I should point out one or two things from your post.

(1) It can be infered from the passages you quoted above that God is trinity but no where did it ever say so, yet we can believe that if we put a couple of texts together like you have done. As for Catholics, Mary, Pope and paganism, we can still put together one or two passages to get what we want. For instance, if you consider 'confession' as a form of prayer, then the bible actually commanded that you pray to one another etc.

(2) True, the catholic church mixed the bible with their traditions, this is because nothing can survive without traditions. If you see language as tradition, then even the bible and Christianity has been mixed with traditions. If you think Judaism is paganism, my bother even Christianity borrowed pagan practices, think about baptism, old testament, prayers, use of scriptures, prophecy, use of anointing oil etc.

(3) The distinction between catholic christians, 100% bible christians, 50% bible christains, born again christains, non born again christains, baby christains.... is the reason why I created this thread. Who is right and who is wrong? What if I believe that the bible is the word of God simply because my church told me the same way I believed her when she said that Mary is in heaven and that I can pray to her if I wanted to? What if..?

mrZENographer:
Phil 4 :6 Be careful for nothing but with all prayers and supplications let your request be made known unto GOD.
WHO IS GOD,? The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost.
Some people say Peter was the first pope. However, no where in the bible does he or the apostles charge us to pray to Mary. Neither was Mary requested of any miracle.

PRAYING TO MARY IS IDOLATRY. NO IDOLATROUS WILL ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.

My brother I think you are right. But the same people who said that Peter was the first pope also said that God is trinity as you have pointed out @bold. However, no where in the bible does it say anything like that. On what grounds do we choose what to believe from these people and what to reject from the same people? Think about this.

ABOUT HYPOCRITES, THE BIBLE HAS THIS TO SAY: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter.."

sonOfLucifer:
Man, know thyself. Unfortunately, thy self is an illusion. The migraines of existence.

It's so unfortunate we may never know what is true.

frank317:
That's religion for u. Ur boss thinks he is right and u are wrong , u think ur boss is wrong and u are right... but what is God doing... just waiting to judge whoever is wrong and accept whoever is right.
Yet everyone was indoctrinated... it's not ur fault to be Catholic neither is it ur boss's fault to be what ever he is.
But can both of u try to be objective? It's really not about God but about u.
If u think hard, u will realize that it's all man made. If it's really God, would it really be this confusing? Is anyone confused about the sun? How much more on God the creator?
Trust me if u believe in stone u will attribute all ur (seemingly) answered prayer to stone. Guess what... every seemingly answered prayer is nothing but a mere coincidence. This is why many times prayers are not answered.
Go and read about self fulfilled prophecy. U will understand how the need to feel special makes us feel our prayers have been answered. We look fr reasons to believe our prayer can be answered so that we can feel good and loved by a suppoaed creator. It makes us feel special in this crazy uncertain world.
The fact is... everything is a lie. If God exists, the skeptist would be his best kind of people... why? Becasue they are not telling him the brain he gave them is not useless.

The bold is seems logically true..... but if everything is an illusion, What then are we doing here? Why is it that some things appear to us to be more real than others?