Romance › Re: At My Age My Prick is like 2year old boy penis by Reminderz: 5:32pm On Dec 11, 2021 |
op you be 21 and you wan marry? shey you dey whine me nii...  modified..: op don later change the age to 29 |
Romance › Re: At My Age My Prick is like 2year old boy penis by Reminderz: 5:31pm On Dec 11, 2021 |
Johndagr8t: ya mama na mumu you be idiot weyrey.... why Una go dey attach every problem to wealth.. Una mentality dey stink ooo.. |
Romance › Re: At My Age My Prick is like 2year old boy penis by Reminderz: 5:29pm On Dec 11, 2021 |
Johndagr8t: Op you are very stupid, at 21 this is not something that should be on your mind fool!!!
go and buy crypto currency and secure a future!!!
fool you be mumu... how does cypto currency help solve his micro penis problem idiot... |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:49am On Nov 23, 2021 |
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Romance › Re: Which Of These Ladies Will You Choose. by Reminderz: 8:04am On Nov 22, 2021 |
Lady B |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 11:00am On Nov 21, 2021 |
heartofcity12: From the horse’s mouth. and na the kind women wey trp talk say make we avoid be that... |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:49am On Nov 21, 2021 |
Oyin2212: I was also in rage mode for a while until I came across a Coach Red Pill video (before it was deleted by YouTube) that said women are hypergamous and we men should learn to live with it like that. You don't take a prey near a lion and expect it not to devour it. That's their inherent nature. Instead of hating, rather we should learn to understand and utilize this knowledge to our own benefit.
I understand where you coming from now bro. na so jahre. just like men are polygamous too.. na the rage mode most people still dey. .. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:45am On Nov 21, 2021 |
Junnior: Here:
Those guys who are stuck in the rage mode are who I refer to as redpill junkies.
When you find relief from your pain -- When you find "bliss" but start overdosing on it. This is when you qualify as a junky.
Many stumble upon the redpill, get very excited, and start overdosing on it. As a result, they start hating women, although subconsciously.
Anything that doesn't paint women as evil is termed as blue pill. There are many on this thread who are in this boat.
Most of these guys do not even go back to read old posts to refresh their understanding. They just keep seeking new redpill contents to binge on (and it must be negatively critical of the female folks. If not, it is blue pill). na so jahre gbayii |
Phones › Re: The Gallery (Mobile Photography/Art) by Reminderz: 6:15am On Nov 20, 2021 |
NisforNicky: Atheistandproud genius43 Reminderz .you can search on YouTube for a more suitable Gcam but I thought genius43 said GCAm isn't needed for note 10 pro |
Phones › Re: The Xiaomi Thread. by Reminderz: 9:02pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
Google keyboard stops abruptly when typing Redmi note 9.. any solutions..?? I've cleared cache, data and updated still the same... genius43 anybody  ?? |
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: What I Did Yesterday After I Lost My Last N200 During Interview by Reminderz: 8:53pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
God bless you bro.. you go make am very soon.. . |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:27pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
Martinez39s: typing...
[3] In this thread we focus on the substance and truthfulness of ideas and opinions. As long as a person (or group) hasn't violated the rules or defied the purpose of this thread or played mischievous games, never should you deviate from his arguments and opinion and make presumptions or imply things about his personality or life. It is silly and childish, especially when you have never met this person in real life. It is emotional, feminine and not what we do here. Highest, you state your different opinion or take, everyone agrees to disagree and move on; it is that simple. If you cannot focus on the opinion or take, you can ignore. No need to start implying that people are miserable lots, losers, inadequate or disgruntled folks who haven't go out there, had success in certain aspects and seen things... all for simply thinking differently; it serves no productive purpose here and it scores no point here. Going by a faulty logic here, I could call that "hyperventilation" or whine.
Finally, conflating a feminist generalisation with someone's generalisation for the purpose of lending credence to the falsehood of the latter is a cheap emotional technique that detractors, especially women, use when trying to demolish red pill facts that apply to all women. For this same reason they even try to paint redpillers and mgtow as the male equivalent of radical feminists. It is not a new thing. IF that is what was being done here (I COULD BE WRONG), no one should try such again.
[4] (a) If you think marriage is wonderful and the getting married is fine, that's okay. If you think marriage is slavery and that getting married is an enslavement of self, that's okay. Everyone has the liberty to hold and express their views here as long as they are not blue pill nonsense (since this is a red pill thread. There are hundreds of threads for you if you find what is said here disappointing and unacceptable; you can even start your own thread. No need for anyone to force what is not. There is no gold medal or money given to anyone who scores a point).
If you express your flattering opinion about marriage, I am sure no one will think you are trying to impose marriage on others or imply that getting married makes you a redpiller. Why should it be different when a set of people, who haven't violated the purpose and rules of this thread, hold and simply express unflattering views about marriage? It is not logical and it just doesn't make sense. Already, we know that perspectives and background differ and it is okay for people to hold different views and opinions and it is understandable that such happens, why then should anyone be ruffled and worked up over anti-marriage opinions to the extent of making silly assumptions, logical lapses and underhanded personal attack? Even among redpillers, opinions differ since not everyone is at the same level of red pill awareness.
Pro-marriage folks will always express favourable attitude towards marriage while those that are against marriage will express critical attitude towards it. Deal with this, and I say this to both sides. Engage in productive discussions with utmost civility. Highest, agree to disagree. No need for name calling, silly assumptions about people's personality/lives, running off on impression that no one ever gave you, and underhanded personal attack. Stop it! As I said, being open-minded enough to be able understand that people's opinions, lifestyles, interests and aspirations are different from yours without getting worked up about a different opinion is a hallmark of maturity. Grow up!
Typing... .now you're making sense and chatting matured and unbiased. gbayii... |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 6:26am On Nov 19, 2021 |
CaveAdullam: DAY 323, REDPILL 2021
1. Men, please date your work! I repeat, date your work! Date it, fvck it and improve it!
2. Because your work and its fruits is the only thing that will be there when she says "I can no longer do!"
It is this same mangina and his likes that will still scream "relationship/marriage is not by force, when your partner is tired and no longer interested, they have a choice of their own and can make decisions as matured adults".
3. Abandon your work and chase women; women will abandon you and chase men that have works.
4. There's no comparison between your work and her, it is your purpose and ambition first and foremost. You don't share time equally for her and your work. If she's not comfortable, let her go. That same woman you want to abandon your work for and schedule dates, trips, trysts, vacation for is that same woman that will tell you "can't you see your mate?" when you no longer have work to eat good fruits from.
5. You come first, then your work and purpose. She comes last! If she refuses her last position that's her own cup of tea. You can't be running helter skelter for a woman who don't even understand female anatomy not to talk of understanding how a relationship works.
6. What they want is fun and fvck. After work, during relaxation, you blast them the lamba! Then after, fall back to work!
Authority: focus on your work! screenshot this. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 12:39am On Nov 19, 2021 |
these people just dey make person laugh sha.. seems insults gives some people orgasms on this thread leemao... even person wey we dey talk about sef know say e dey guilty.. smh.. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:45pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Lightway: KiNg0G! cheesy Welcome back, nwannem.
You just like clout I will repeat myself... it's not a must to mention me if you have nothing sensible to say. cheerio |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:41pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Lightway: Marriage is a fool's dream in this generation.
If you're angry. Leave the group its not a must you mention me if you have nothing tangible to say. |
Romance › Re: Something Really Really Tempting Just Happened To Me by Reminderz: 7:22pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Flahyuq: It was a hard choice,but I'm glad i made it God bless you bro.. I'm moved meehhn |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 6:45pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
dhiqson: Very obvious you're new here Because if You weren't, you won't post this nonsense Everything has their pros and cons And I remember specifically asking him on his view in marriage... And he gave two sides to it. Now it's up to me to decide whether to go on or forbear
Plsssss if you've got beef with anyone here Just hush it abeg beef? hate? otoo Oro omaâ n dabi hate nii.. if you think I hate Martinez you're wrong.. I'm just saying that wherever he gets information is making hatred and toxic mindset grows in him the more and also making him biase in his statements and judgements ... |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 6:17pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Martinez39s: KiNg0G! Welcome back, nwannem. You see, I have never demanded of or imposed it on anyone to go mgtow and not to marry. You see, I have never said that being redpilled means that you will shun marriage or die single and childless like I have voluntarily chosen to. That is MY path. People must note, as I do, that not everyone shares your interest and aspirations. What is a holy grail to you (eg. family, building up a next generation) are inessential to others. Being open-minded to be able to understand this is a hallmark of maturity.
The fact that I am giving my personal take based on my understanding of the red pill from my journey in life doesn't mean anyone should follow my path. If I see no reason to get married after weighing the pros and cons while considering myself or I think it that it isn't worth the stress when red pill is applied, why should anyone care? Do these mean I am stopping anyone from getting married or implying that they are lesser redpillers for getting married. Have you seen me vilify or belittle those who want marriage? mychhww.. if you want valid conversation, you go stop this your childish tagging of people unnecessarily... all what I claimed that you said, prove you didn't say it..? and if you ever did whether direct or indirect, you will bring a solid proof that back up what you claimed oga.. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 5:53pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Lightheaded: Lol, Boss, toxicity is over the top.
But then Martinez has his reasons for MGTOW and he hasn't forced anybody to follow that path so far I've noticed, he only declared himself one. Different people have their different reasons for their choices. He only stated his opinions on the pros and cons of being married, the choice is totally individual.
I for one don't know whether I'll marry or not, you can't see some things in the current society and be totally inclined towards marriage hoping yours will turn out different. People have different experiences and different reasons for their decisions. Tonny gave a suitable example, your parents can't have given you the perfect idea of marriage and a stranger who was raised up differently will change your mind. Never, you'll be totally structured to trust the process. Peradventure the marriage starts heading for the rocks, you won't abandon ship, because your mentor sailors never did.
I respect people's decisions and I've seen the good an the ugly, heck the worse in marriages. Even those that are dating, a lot of ladies are disguising or have done the worst in their past knowing marriage is the saving grace (the Knight in shining armor comes for the community bride lol).
If you're ready to get married, vet properly and preferably let her be a virgin (just saying). Have the redpill as a guide. The redpill isn't against marriage, it just highlighted the obvious (or not so obvious). I nor dey argue this one brother.. he nor dey force in decision directly but he dey do am indirectly.. wetin be the meaning of all women are hoes or all women cheats?? relationship are useless marriage are useless?? if you dey hear this one all the time, shey you go still wan marry... if you go through his memes thread, your mind will be filled with so much hatred and toxic mindset you'll never even consider relationship talklesss of marriage if you're not careful..people should learn to use their brain also.. nor just go dey swallow everything wey you dey see or read online... as there are some percent of bad marriages, there are billions of good families and marriages... check deeply those bad marriages... you'll surely find where things went wrong from the beginning.. the redpill go let you know that one... cheerio |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 5:34pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
ThomasShelby: Exactly. When people are posting about stuffs here, that does not mean they are complaining, this is a redpill thread for heaven’s sake and people will post stuffs related to female nature and what the redpill entails. This is a redpill thread, not bluepill, not purple pill, not black pill. I feel some guys are feeling the posts are too harsh on women, it’s not by force to be on a redpill thread o. If discussing about the things happening in the society is now termed ‘complaining’, then I don’t see any reason why anyone has to be here. If redpill is too harsh for some people, they can simply leave the thread. alaye.. nor be wetin dem dey talk be this. the redpill itself is not harsh, it's the way some people apply it that's harsh i..e. extremists. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 5:27pm On Nov 18, 2021 |
Lightheaded: Alike minds bro, you too sabi. na the toxicity of Martinez dey make people talk say marriage na useless sometingss for this thread... the guy with his toxic mentality.. the guy go dey talk say all women are hoes.. all women cheats go mgtwo.. women are useless, relationship are useless ... like godammit.. what did the guy really face in his childhood... this is totally absurd... this thread is making men considering marriage foolish... go baby mama, go surrogacy... like that's the ultimate goal... this is so damaging to the society in the long run... very crAZY stuffs... na here I hear say marriage is very useless omoooo tinz dey happen oo.. so many families are living fine till date... no be when one thing happen, news go carry that one thing and people go start to dey generalize.. what about those where it's working for them  mehn which kind mentality and speech you expect from person wey nor even like pikin or wan born pikin sef?? ahh I pray for the guy omoo how many men nowadays really look at the red flags when choosing women? nor be love blind their eyes and their bluepill mindset into choosing wrong wife's.. how one person choice take relate to everybody.. ahh omoo... mehn.. this is only being exaggerated with the use of social media and the likes.. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:47am On Nov 16, 2021 |
mosdii: Good to be back to my ultimate and first family in NL. Red pill is the way, life and culture.
Just got released from prison (ban). number one nightmare of women on nl.. dem sef go tire. |
Education › Re: UNILAG Student Wins 4-inch Heels Shoe Race Competition (Photos) by Reminderz: 7:43am On Nov 16, 2021 |
leemaaaoo...  |
Romance › Re: 2 - Deleted by Reminderz: 7:55pm On Nov 15, 2021*. Modified: 8:21pm On Nov 15, 2021 |
TheUndercover: To your question: Yes, they are Machiavellians; by using cunning or manipulative ways to exploit or harm unsuspecting victims.
Addendum: Machiavellianism can be said to be "morally neutral". It can be used to achieve good or do harm. I won't be responsible for any of these choices you make. But one should note that, you can't go far if you try to play everything by the book or by being "too moral". For example, if you see an opportunity to jump the queue in a bank, will you still stay behind the queue or use the opportunity? That's a question you should answer.
The knowledge of Machiavellianism is what every man should equip himself with in this cold world. These knowledge isn't necessarily needed to harm others physically, but to sharpen your senses.
Like IM said, "For man, Machiavellianism is predominantly a vocation learned. Few men are naturally equipped with Machiavellianism tendency, let alone apt in employing its devices. Some are raised in challenging environments which imbue these traits from a young age, but rest assured, Machiavellianism is a female instinct and a male art form. If man does not pursue Machiavellianism as an art form, a vocation to be learned and practiced, he can never you hope to be half as cunning as the typical woman.
Throughout human existence, women have been the physically weaker sex. As such they have needed to evolve subconscious strategies to covertly manipulate men in ways that benefit their sole needs. Majority of men are effectively clueless in matters of Machiavellianism. Women on the other hand are Machiavellians as water is wet. You'd be hard pressed to find a woman who isn't Machiavellian. The idiotic man is limited most by morality, the intelligent man, by rationalism, and the woman, neither."
Without the knowledge of Machiavellianism, you can't even fully implement TRP principles. If you're well vast in the knowledge, handling women won't be a problem for you. You'll get to understand how manipulating the average woman can be and how to handle or deal with them accordingly because that's her primary weapon. The phrase "idiotic man" in the above statement can be said to mean someone who sees treating women nice as being equivalent to getting their love. The innate Machiavellian nature of women will make them friendzone him and use him for their own selfish interests instead of reciprocating his love. He ends up disappointed at the end.
This knowledge is needed to scale through life. It makes you understand the human psychology better than even studying psychology itself in school. You get a better understanding of how to interact with people. Also, this knowledge can also be used to harm people, depending on the person equipped with the knowledge of it.
"Machiavellianism is the art of welding power, how it's wielded is determined by the wielder's morality or lack thereof. Don't blame the strategy, blame the soul of its employer." - IM
By being cunning, you will learn not to be too predictable. Being predictable can get you killed. You'll also learn to hide your intentions, because people can use your intentions against you. You'll learn not to trust easily, people can be so fickle minded. You'll learn not to outshine your superior, so as to avoid being devoured by his power or authority. You'll also be able to develop your charming or social skills to manipulate people to achieve a common goal. These are just the least things you can do with the knowledge of Machiavellianism. If you're too moral, you'll think "Let me be a straightforward person", but unfortunately, people will take advantage of your nativity. Machiavellianism is also employed in winning wars or battles. Striking when you have to, retreating when you have to. Most wars in history aren't won by those with the best weapons, but by those with the best strategic planning.
In business, the use of Machiavellianism is employed when creating ads. If business owners were to be sincere with their ads, no one would patronize them. Cunning methods is also use to surpass their competitors. If you think by being moral and trying to play everything by the book will do you good, you'll only be doing your enemies favour. In politics or an organisation, the knowledge is used to remain in power and to keep people in control. This "control" can also be classified as damage control or as a fail safe to protect the people. For example, a mobile phone company might just pretend to change the design and add a few gimmick specs to gain more profit. Nothing can be more cunning than this!
You can gain more from people without having to physically harm or exploit people as the case of internet fraudsters AKA Yahoo boys. By being competent and having valuable skills is enough to make people even pay more for your services. By having a solid reputation is enough to get people patronise and pay you more than your colleagues or competitors. Sometimes by only having great communication or charming skills is even enough. Get what you want, cut corners when you have to but for me, don't scam. But that doesn't mean because you don't scam people, people won't scam or harm you. It doesn't work that way. The knowledge will make you aware of that. "There are many reasons some people make more money than others; crookedness is one reason, but not the only one." - CM
As long as people gets the services they pay for, no matter how much you charge them (even more than the usual price), they won't feel annoyed. But when people pay you for your service and you scam them, that's when they will pounce on you and nothing is more damaging to a reputation than when people begin seeing you as a trickster or a scammer. Don't shoot yourself in the foot. You can get yourself jailed.
So I hope you got the message passed. Thanks. #Modified true. |
Romance › Re: 11 Years Old Boy New Profile Picture Breaks Internet In Minutes (screenshot) by Reminderz: 8:45pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
 .. . this one pass end time... even devil sef go shock leemao  |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 9:45am On Nov 14, 2021 |
UncleJudax: I wouldn't say that people who engage in risky/stupid sexual behaviours are not doing well. Ignorance and lack of self-discipline play a major role.
Some men need to know about post-nut clarity and that sex no de finish!
Fück and live to fück another day. true. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 5:59am On Nov 14, 2021 |
..reading stories here I can't but shake my head the hurdles men climb or the risks men take just to have sex... and all to what ends  if such passion or energy was put into their self development they won't be were they are.  |
Phones › Re: The Gallery (Mobile Photography/Art) by Reminderz: 5:53am On Nov 14, 2021 |
NisforNicky: Does the redmi Note 10 pro have a dedicated gcam pls?
About to buy it Buy ke?? from where? Search YouTube for a suitable GCAm link for your device.. I once used GCAm downloaded by an app called gcamator from playstore but the GCAm was not not compatible with it but I had to search YouTube until I got a suitable one for my device. |
Phones › Re: The Xiaomi Thread. by Reminderz: 7:52pm On Nov 13, 2021 |
yunqdady: What's the best music app to use anyone? Beer using the follow come Google music which is no longer available Poweramp |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:46pm On Nov 13, 2021 |
CaveAdullam: Nice summation!
@paygram, in addendum:
1. You are at the bottom of life, still coming up and same with many here and the outside world ( like me, you know I'm a broke masturbator). It's not easy anywhere bro.
2. Since your brother in-law and sister are supporting you in your education you must be grateful and allow some things slip away. It's not easy, I know, but you don't have any option. If you become rebellious you will suffer because you don't have any escape route at the moment.
3. What you need do is to dance to their tune, inflate their ego, praise them always, do chores before been asked without grumbling so that you can be able to gain much from them. In as much you get from them your basic need, you must work for it. Remember, it's a positive sum game! No whining about it!
4. Try as much as possible to develop all your skills in whatever way you can and at the right time, you will hit big. It's a matter of time, luck and life, and I pray or hope you get there.
There are a whole lot of lessons you will learn from your sufferings, be patient, these problems you see today, you shall see no more.
And in addition to your skills, make sure you have a binance account.
PS: my account is bearish now, but with the amount of bearish candles, I know it can cook for us small oil rice on Monday evening in your hostel. So, send me your account details via email.
Have a nice day.
Well done @adambeatz a good one from you. God bless you. |
Romance › Re: Reality Every Guy Need To Know ( STRICTLY REDPILL) ... by Reminderz: 7:14pm On Nov 13, 2021 |
Martinez39s: LOL. Indeed it isn't necessary; but as expected, you couldn't even smother the urge to indulge in your usual emotional tricks, falsehoods and cunning wiles with this entire post of yours. You must think everyone here is not intelligent enough to see through you, and you act like we have forgotten your history and don't know your pattern. Shameless clown and odious nuisance.
Na so.
Playing the victim card as usual. You have a disappointing lack of awareness.
No one ever attacked you for the fun of it. Each time someone savaged, scolded or called you out for something, it was clearly merited. In fact, you are the one who gets emotional and take little things personal; you are fond of launching attacks, lies and deliberate misrepresentations to soil the reputation of people even for the littlest things such as merely opposing or disagreeing with you or calling you out for your nonsense... no matter how far back in the past they did this. You are fond of being feminine minded, especially when it comes to playing the victim card when you are guilty; you are also fond of petty and childish power plays. I could say much more and exemplify my stance.
It is nobody's fault that you are a victim of your track record. No one asked you to be enslaved to your emotions or narcissistic tendencies. No one asked you to be overly emotional, childish, petty, egoistic, feminine-minded and daft. Go kick rocks. 
What do you take people here for? Do you think people here are so retarded and daft that we can't see through your bullśhit? You think we have forgotten your pattern and antics since the day you came here? You think we have forgotten why you are still orbiting this thread? I could write a whole newspaper on your stupidity and childishness that will surprise people who don't know you.
At first, you claimed you were not a redpiller and that you will take the red pill to the next level (after the pay-for-sex argument). When you couldn't gather enough crumbites and cement yourself as a main man, you started claiming to be a redpiller. Some weeks back, the same you later tried, for a second time, to integrate the ashewo lifestyle into the red pill using nonsensical arguments and hailing a simp as a "real mvp." Silly boy! Those that know you understand what you are up to. Redpiller my foot.
The master of lies, emotion incontinence, deception and reputational damage is at it again. Try again! We here can see through your rubbish. Redpiller my foot.
No remorse, but more persistence in spreading your lies. No one did this to you. In fact, this is what you are fond of doing to others.
BTW, I am not a competitor. What am I competing with you for? I don't know why you originated this nonsense. SMH.
LOL. Keep fooling yourself. You think we didn't know what you were up to; this is not the first time you are trying such nonsense. Constructive criticism ko, constructive feedback ni. 
LOL. All whole self-proclaimed OG is moved by "what is your problem?" You are too soft, son. Too soft!
Good. Good riddance to bad rubbish. However, I will wager that you will return, at least as another moniker. This is because you are enslaved to your emotions and narcissistic tendencies; you just can't let go. Your other moniker (reminderz) was still commenting after this post of yours. Nonsense!
Do have fun on your way out of this thread.  smh. okay. |