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PeckNARM: Loool, your bars come dark like coke! My man just infuriated me! I dislike online gangsters with a passion! If this was on endz! N if boys were styl boys I tell him buck me in se22 have 22 of my young thugs chase him down and nank him up! Some retard seems he ran and took d pics off must be scary the ladies.Wont be surprised he's a deportee !

SirShymex: Oi, my man has never left his village...you need to see what he looks like. He looks like a dirty and smelly wasteman, on my mum's life. My man was tryna compete for Mr Nl looking moist , hungry, and waste stil.

Internet just gives pu.ssyholes a medium to run their mouths, and that's what irks me all the time. You know dem ones there g? I know for a fact mandem can't chat shiit to my face, they'll get face their smashed in and get chased with a stick like an athlete. I don't even need to touch these pricks, just a few youngers to get their stripes off them and leave them for dead.

Dem mans are waste. Every time I just rem the number naij mans from naij that I've saved from getting rushed on dem roads and look at the way these cu.nts run their mouths on these sides, I just shake my head in disgust. These mans are pus.sies - they all just hide behind the PC to talk tough and dat. Just a slap will put this donut to sleep.

PeckNARM: Loool, your bars come dark like coke! My man just infuriated me! I dislike online gangsters with a passion! If this was on endz! N if boys were styl boys I tell him buck me in se22 have 22 of my young thugs chase him down and nank him up! Some retard seems he ran and took d pics off must be scary the ladies.Wont be surprised he's a deportee !

PeckNARM: You feel stupid now don't couldn't find a response! You seemed to have done a lot of research in relation food stamps maybe they'll give you a job you toad!For that singular claim of me using multiple id's I have nothing further to say to you! WOTLESS poverty stricken chichi man

infolekan: I just got the hang of what you're saying all the while....you're not really bothered about identity theft or loss of data but just the singular fact that MASTERCARD CARD is owned by a US company.
There's nothing to praise in the whole initiative and no reason for a constructive criticism but to hammer on the loss of data.
As if it would be more secure with a Nigerian company to start with.

PeckNARM: How stupid are you what's the majority of black in uk? Out of that percentage how many are Nigerian? Out of that how many are entitled to said benefits? Your making a fool out of yourself! Notice you seem to more updated on the whole food stamp thing than me! And apparently am the one whose on benefits! You must be feeling real smart right now!

PeckNARM: food stamps don't apply to Britain! Try applying for a job over here and see how easy it is ! The reason why people blow them tantrums is because deep down they no the person that's chatting shit can never do so, face 2 face! It creates a burning sensation as on can't do much to an online noise maker like you! You probably have step out of your state have you? How much us your salary? Just to make feel useless JSA known as jobseekerallowance is over 55k a month! That's free money! But it's a chicken change! Even at that am sure your income is not up to those who u claim are sitting on there bums doing nothing! Where did you get that idea from! You must have suffered as a child! Parental abuse maybe

MailOnline: Food stamps’ to be issued in Britain next week to tens of thousands of vulnerable people as part of benefits shake-up

Vouchers will be redeemable for food, nappies and other essentials
They will be offered to needy by councils after crisis funds devolved locally
The stamps will replace Social Fund's discretionary loans and grants

By Harriet Arkell

Published: 14:19 GMT, 27 March 2013 | Updated: 16:16 GMT, 27 March 2013

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Food stamps will be handed to the poorest and neediest when cash handouts are scrapped in favour of vouchers next week.

Many local authorities are expected to take part in the scheme under which vouchers will be issued to the most vulnerable, rather than cash grants or loans.

They will be issued to help tide people over in times of financial crisis, and recipients will be able to exchange the vouchers for food, nappies and other essentials, but not alcohol or cigarettes.
Thousands of the most vulnerable people will be given vouchers redeemable for food and essentials from April

Thousands of the most vulnerable people will be given vouchers redeemable for food and essentials from April

The voucher scheme is being introduced from 1 April under changes to benefits outlined in last year's Welfare Reform Act.

The food stamps will replace the discretionary part of the government-run Social Fund, which issued immediate, small cash grants and loans to people on low or no incomes who needed help urgently.

Now, instead of the money being handed out by central government, it is being devolved to local authorities in England and devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales.

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The current budget of £178.2m will be handed down to a local level, plus start-up costs of £72m, for councils to spend as they see fit.

A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said the move was not about cost-cutting, as there was no reduction in budget, but rather was intended to ensure the money was spent where it was most needed.

He said: 'We’re reforming the Social Fund because it is complex, over-centralised and poorly targeted, and replacing it with local provision to ensure this money goes to those most in need.
Vouchers will be issued to those most at need at a local level in England, Wales and Scotland

Vouchers will be issued to those most at need at a local level in England, Wales and Scotland (file image)

'We will transfer the current annual funding for crisis loans and community care grants to local authorities in England and the devolved administrations in Wales and Scotland.

'They will receive the full programme budget of £178.2 million a year in addition to administration and start-up costs of over £72 million which represents a fair settlement.'

The vouchers will be adopted in the wake of the abolition of the Social Fund's discretionary scheme, under which the needy were given crisis loans, repayable out of their benefits, or community care grants.
Local authorities may offer vouchers redeemable at supermarkets, food banks, or those that may be exchanged for hot meals

Local authorities may offer vouchers redeemable at supermarkets, food banks, or those that may be exchanged for hot meals

The Social Fund's regulated scheme, which governs cold weather payments, Sure Start maternity grants, funeral expenses and the Winter Fuel Grant, will be unaffected, the DWP says.

It will be up to the local authorities how they spend the money, but many of those in England are said to have confirmed their plans to issue one-off, single-use vouchers to those who apply for emergency assistance.

Some authorities are planning to hand out food parcels, and will divert extra funds to local food banks to enable them to buy more supplies and take on more staff to help.

And others may issue the money as repayable loans, similar to the crisis loans available under the previous system.

Bath and North East Somerset council is one authority planning to offer vouchers, and a spokesman told MailOnline the council intends to use their allocation to offer a mixture of vouchers and discretionary payments.

Spokesman James Hinchcliffe said: 'These may be supermarket vouchers or electricity or gas vouchers, or they may be Discretionary Support payments, for example to help with housing payments or essential household items.'

A spokesman for Newcastle City Council said it was also planning to offer a mixture of clothing and fuel vouchers, food parcels, and emergency travel costs.

Critics said the scheme may stigmatise those already in trouble, but the Government insists the plans, which will enable local authorities to set their own eligibility criteria, will mean the money will go where it is needed most.

arresa: [s][/s]


Keep quiet you dumb liar...

How do you know Inter-switch can not o it? The fact that your dubious and crooked government jumped over them to Matarcard doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to do? You reason like a damn 2 year old baby..




1. First you foolishly compared Nigerian companies functioning under Nigerians laws and regulations with MastarCard, an American company functioning under American Laws and Regulations. That was dumb, ignorant and idiotic on your part

2. You then lied that Inter switch was contacted to participate, but they turned down the offer, but that was a lie on your part because as shown in the link I posted, inter switch signed an agreement to participate, but it was the government that reneged, but inter switch front in Nigeria won the biometrics contract. Again, that was dumb, ignorant and idiotic on your part..

3. You then foolishly contradicted yourself by saying local contractors couldn't do it, but now saying they are handling the second phase.

4. Nigerian companies handling the second phase has nothing to do with their capacity to do any of the phases, your own government stipulated that MasterCard go first, they put foreigners ahead of their own.. It was a stipulation PERIOD.

5. I still need you to show me any official document stating exactly what part of this program MasterCard funded and how much..


What's the meaning of $3 million dollars? You mean we sold symbol of our Nationhood for measly 3 million dollars? lmao


Inter switch can not afford $3 million, but they won biometrics contract to handle even more than what MasterCard is handling?


Dude, you are dumber than dirt...

rhymz: By Amaka Agwuegbo
The Federal Government, last weekend, signed a concession agreement with two consortia – Iris One Securecard and Cham – three years after the consortia were selected through a rigorous bidding process.
From left: Managing Director, Interswitch Limited, Mr. Mitchell Elegbe; Chairman, National Identity Management Commission (NIMC), Prince Uche Secondus; and MD/CEO, Chams Plc, Mr. Demola Aladekomo, at the signing of the concession agreement between NIMC and the front-end partners concesssionaires - Chams Consortium and Iris One Securecard Consortium in Abuja weekend
Part of the agreement signed between Nigeria Identity Management Commission (NIMC), the agency responsible for managing the country’s identity system, and the two consortia, each made up of three different companies (Iris Smart Tech, Interswitch and Secure ID formed Iris One Securecard while Chams, Nextzon and Supercard made up Chams) included the provisioning of data capture and related services as part of the front-end operations of the national identity management system of the country.
At the agreement signing ceremony in Abuja, NIMC board chairman, Prince Uche Secondus, said the development marked the beginning of a process to deliver a national identity database of 100 million enrollment over the next 30 months from the date registration commences at the proposed model registration centre to be established across the country by the concessionaires.
“This giant step is a necessary commitment that signifies government’s resolve to partner with the private sector to deliver important social infrastructure that would enable government to deliver on its responsibilities such as security of life and property, access to consumer credit and a host of other services that would touch the lives of the poor amongst us and improve our image as a nation.”
Secondus, however, warned that the task ahead is challenging as it consists of sourcing the funds, financing the roll-out plan, instituting the necessary security controls and protocols and the need for technology transfer. He hoped the private sector have thought through the process to avoid delays.
He also explained that in putting the agreement together, NIMC has learnt from the mistakes of the past and worked on the sustainability of the project.
Speaking on behalf of Iris Securecard Consortium, Mr. Mitchell Elegbe, Managing Director of Interswitch, commended the Federal Government for the opportunity given to the private sector to deliver a project of this magnitude.
He acknowledged that the task ahead is huge while pledging that the consortia would not mismanage the aspiration of Nigerians to be properly identified as a member of Nigeria community.
“We will make sure that the project is not only delivered very well but also delivered on time”, he said.
Mr. Demola Aladekomo, MD/CEO Chams, who spoke on behalf of Chams Consortium, noted that the concession agreement was not a typical contract where government paid money to the contractors, adding that a lot depends on the ability and capability of the concessionaires.
According to Aladekomo the concessionaire would require enough support from government in order to deliver the project. While stating that the consortia could not afford to fail the country, he emphasized that the country needs to identify its citizens, not to do so would be ‘calamitous’ for a nation of 150 million people that cannot identify its people appropriately.
- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/07/national-id-fg-signs-concession-agreement-2-consortia/#sthash.uMzKGKLq.dpuf

laudate: This matter is a very simple one. If Chams, Interswitch/Verve bidded for the project and were schemed out, only for the deal to be handed over to Mastercard via Access Bank, then let them go to court!
Once the case comes up for hearing, invite the media to have a field day as the facts, myths and conjecture are unearthed, each time the key witnesses mount the stand.
Abi? Wetin dey there? "All that is hidden shall be made known, and anything done in secret shall then come to light!" I am even suprised that the Bureau of Public Procurement (BPP) did not publish the shortlisted candidates in the newspapers like they normally do, with mega deals of this nature.

SirShymex: [s][/s]

Vacuous rants by a smelly, depressed, and diseased starving scrounger stuck in a primeval village!

You're a stark illiterate!

emmatok: This, according to experts, can be done through effective development and implementation of local content laws for the country’s payment systems. “Technically, MasterCard will work. There is no technology they cannot support. But it is time to grow our African giants. Why would government give an American company a project like the national identity scheme? Can the US award such a contract to a Nigerian firm?

“Should’nt government be promoting its own? Domestic card schemes should be used for things of national interest such as agriculture farmers cards, national and state ID cards to help protect our soverignity”, said a senior executive at SecureID Nigeria, who pleaded anonymity because he was not authorised to speak.

Christabel Onyejekwe, executive director at the Nigerian Inter-Bank Settlement Systems (NIBSS) however does not see anything wrong with MasterCard International’s participation in the national identity scheme. In an interview with BusinessDay, she said,”they have the competence and expertise to deliver on this national project. MasterCard have been strong collaborators in Nigeria’s card payment ecosystem. We are in a thriving global economy and MasterCard International is critical to facilitating global card payments. “

Interestingly, about 85 percent of Nigerians conduct local payment transactions. Only about 7.7 percent of Nigerians use cards abroad on foreign webistes. She acknowledged that local card schemes do possess the requisite capacity to handle the national identity project.

Industry insiders say government’s decision to award the contract to MasterCard is questionable, considering that local players in the ecosystem such as Interswitch, E-transact, 3line Nigeria and SecureID have all shown high levels of competency in processing and issuance of payment cards.

Statistics show that Verve, a local card operator controls about 60 percent of the market. In view of this, Ken Ugbechie, promoter of the Nigerian Content Advocacy Initiative (NiCADI), says it is inconceivable that such business should be given to an American company whose primary interest is to buffer their own economy.

“We know that all MasterCard’s payments processing in Nigeria are being handled competently by Interswitch, Card Technology Limited, and Unified Payments. Today, over 70 percent of bank customers in Nigeria, Africa’s most populous nation, use Verve payment cards from Interswitch, Genesis Payment cards from eTranzact and Freedom Card from 3Line Card Management Limited for their day-to-day payment transactions.

“ What then is the rationale for giving the payments transactions of our National Identity card to MasterCard, a foreign company?”, he further added in a press statement.

According to him, the combined workforce of the three Nigerian firms with competencies in payment cards, runs into over 300 highly-skilled staff, “whereas MasterCard can only boast of a handful of Nigerians working as marketing executives for the company”.

Despite the competence of local card operators, NIMC’s contractual agreement with Mastercard stipulates that local card operators cannot come on board the scheme until after the initial 13 million smartcards have been issued.

Omobola Johnson, minister of communications technology, sees this as a wrong approach, especially as it concerns growing local economies.

This is in view of the enormous potential such initiatives as the ‘Cashless economy’, spearheaded by the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), the national and state identity management schemes and the telecoms industry’s requirement for SIM cards are throwing up. “There are a number of local companies that have the capacity to not only produce cards, but to also personalise them. Direct interventions must be made to ensure that a significant share of this market is captured by firms operating in Nigeria, with of course the neccessary high security assurances in place,” Johnson added, in a recent presentation.

In response to the 50 question on Nigeria’s economy, posed by the House of Representatives’ committee on finance, Okonjo-Iweala, coordinating minister of the economy, said in view of set standards, MasterCard presents the best financial platform for the project. Verve Card, she added had earlier rejected the same project in 2010, claiming it was not profitable. According to her, three Nigerian companies (Auspoint Limited; E-PayPlus Limited; and Telnet Nigeria Lmited) with foreign partners, were recently cleared by the Bureau of Public Procurement (BPP) and approved by the Federal Executive Council (FCC) to produce the cards.

About four years ago, two local consortia (Chams Consortium and OneSecureCard Consortium) had signed an agreement with NIMC as front-line partners for the national ID project.

It was learnt that the structure of the transaction changed completely upon the commission securing FEC approval for N30 billion for the purchase of cards and support of nationwide rollout of operational capacity.

Ben Uzor Jr

http://businessdayonline.com/2014/04/concerns-over-mastercards-role-in-national-id-card-scheme/#.VAPQdsWSySp


Why Verve Card rejected the project baffles me, now MasterCard will be smiling to bank.

arresa: Do you really need a partner to perform such basic tasks like ID system with biometrics?

Are you not directly admitting that your country with 170 million people, educated manpower and Oil wealth can not take biometric pictures, compile demographic data and download into a database especially what some states have done successfully and others are doing without selling their souls to foreign companies for free..

If I may ask, how much much money was committed by MasterCard that we didn't have?

Obviously some ignorant trash you pulled out of your rectum..


You know they approached any other entity because you were part of the program or you have access to official documents regarding the program?

Obviously some ignorant trash you pulled out of your rectum..




You are of course lying...Inters-witch didn't turn down anything, in fact, Charms PLC that successfully provided biometric and payment ID in Osun and Inter-switch signed an agreement with NIMC as front-line partners for the national ID project, but it was learnt that the structure of the transaction changed completely upon the commission securing FEC approval for N30 billion for the purchase of cards and support of nationwide rollout of operational capacity

http://businessdayonline.com/2014/04/concerns-over-mastercards-role-in-national-id-card-scheme/#.VAOvP8VdVuA

Btw, inter-switch won the contract to take biometrics and fingerprint for the program via their own front company called Precise Match-on-Card


You don't have facts, all you have is personal opinion...
Again, stop pulling crap out of your rectum. You sound very very shallow and unintelligent..

SirShymex: Well, at least my "ghetto" looks like paradise compared to your village (I've seen your pictures in your village hut during Mr. Nl and, how bummy and hungry you look), and most of the affluent places in naij, you hunger induced anorexic yokel.

That's the low self-esteem and insecurity right there because I'm everything you will never be, you stark illiterate! You're a hungry guy with a neck like that of an ostrich, and I doubt you even shower based on how rough you look, with those red-yellowish eyes.

I'm proud of my ghetto! Raised by the original G's as a young G on those gully roads - and the P's and Q's I learnt from being from there, and the street smartness - are what makes me unique and versatile out there in the corporate world. You can never beat that - and I'll always rep where I'm from - the jungles of South East London. Still and will always be that Peckham boy - YPB for life, P downwards!

Kill yourself!

emmatok: I am looking at this issue from a business standpoint.
Giving MASTERCARD 15 million Nigerians is not a small deal.

MASTERCARD is not an NGO, they are out to maximize profit from this deal.
Thats the WALL-STREET style.
Why didn't the government liberalized the system(allowing other payment platform) from the beginning.
Giving Nigerians option to choose which payment platform they want.

I am surprised that Nigeria own INTERSWITCH and QUICKTELLER were not involved.

emmatok: I am looking at this issue from a business standpoint.
Giving MASTERCARD 15 million Nigerians is not a small deal.

MASTERCARD is not an NGO, they are out to maximize profit from this deal.
Thats the WALL-STREET style.
Why didn't the government liberalized the system(allowing other payment platform) from the beginning.
Giving Nigerians option to choose which payment platform they want.

I am surprised that Nigeria own INTERSWITCH and QUICKTELLER were not involved.

arresa: You intelligently listed and equated Nigerian companies functioning under Nigerian laws, regulations and jurisdiction with an American company functioning under American laws and regulations. That was dumb, idiotic, shallow and elementary..

We do business with Chevron and tons of American companies, but we don't have their commercial logo on our symbol of Nationhood..

And doing business with an American company is quiet different from handing over your National ID system to an American company, it's quiet different from letting a foreign entity stamp their commercial logo on your symbol of sovereignty, it's quiet different from making your entire country their customers without their consent, it's quiet different from handing over economically sensitive data about your population, census, buying power, it's quiet different from rendering yourself vulnerable to sanctions and punishments by other countries.t anti America in

Dufus, evil or not which is even irrelevant here, America decides what's best for America based on it's National interest and security hence their actions when they prevented Visa and MasterCard from doing business with Russia.

Obviously, shallow and unintelligent people like you can not differentiate between A and B just like a toddler..

My age is definitely not responsible for your dumbness, ceaselessness and inability to read and comprehend basic English words..

arresa: You intelligently listed and equated Nigerian companies functioning under Nigerian laws, regulations and jurisdiction with an American company functioning under American laws and regulations. That was dumb, idiotic, shallow and elementary..

We do business with Chevron and tons of American companies, but we don't have their commercial logos on our symbol of Nationhood..

And doing business with an American company is quiet different from handing over your National ID system to an American company, it's quiet different from letting a foreign entity stamp their commercial logo on your symbol of sovereignty, it's quiet different from making your entire country their customers without their consent, it's quiet different from handing over economically sensitive data about your population, census, buying power, it's quiet different from rendering yourself vulnerable to sanctions and punishments by other countries.

Dufus, evil or not which is even irrelevant here, America decides what's best for America based on it's National interest and security hence their actions when they prevented Visa and MasterCard from doing business with Russia.

Obviously, shallow and unintelligent people like you can not differentiate between A and B just like a toddler..

My age is definitely not responsible for your dumbness, ceaselessness and inability to read and comprehend basic English words..

Douglasdale: Free that scum.
If only his dad had pulled out or used a Magnum.
If only.

emmatok: You still dont get it, MasterCard is a commercial entity just like VISA and VERVE.
I have Cards on all the payment platforms(MasterCard,VISA and VERVE).

Its it totally wrong to force MasterCard on all nigerian NID holders.
Which means millions of transactions from nigeria NID holders will be going to MasterCard alone.

Why not allow Nigerians to choose which payment system(MasterCard,VISA or VERVE) they want on their cards.

arresa: Exactly what's your brainless and pointless rant got to do with the issue raised here.

Are the companies you mentioned American companies? Do they have their logo on your National ID cards? Do they function under American laws and regulations? Can the US order them to stop doing business with Nigeria?

Pick up your worthless, unintelligent and can't read and comprehend brain from under the shoes you walk on sometimes...

SirShymex: [s][/s]

Lmao!

Go sort out your low self-esteem and learn how to put words together, with the right punctuations, you stark illiterate.

Fvck off, it's a Sunday - no time for stalkers

SirShymex: Bruv, you honestly have time for these stark illiterates.

arresa: What's so modern about what some states inside the same Nigeria have done successfully with ease and some are doing without selling their souls to foreign entities with commercial logos...?

Look in the mirror for PRIMITIVE...smh.

thegeneral84: Bro, check any medical text and look up what the word "management" (of an illness) means. It encompasses:
1)history. (2) physical examination. (3) provisional diagnosis (definitive diagnosis for some illnesses).( 4) investigations/ lab tests. (5) definitive diagnosis (for cases that initially had provisional diagnosis). (6) treatment.

That is the usual flow but there maybe alterations depending on the cases. The doctor does 1 and 2 first before any lab test is ordered. In a good number of cases, that is enough to start treatment. note that 1 and 2 is traditionally regarded as medical history

Let me give you an example: if a doctor sees a patient with high BP, he won't need any lab test to start treating the high BP. Lab test will be needed to assess the extent of damage the high BP has caused to the kidneys, heart, etc. Note the doctor already knows what to expect that is why he would order for maybe 3 relevant tests or so, out of the thousands of tests that exist. Should that test result come back and it's not in keeping with what the Doctor "expects" to see, it can be repeated or rejected.
Another example is if a pregnant woman comes down with symptoms of malaria but the lab test said "no malaria parasite", that woman would still be treated for malaria despite the negative lab result because malaria parasites may have concentrated in her placenta and was not detected in the lab test.

A further example, if a patient is hypertensive, diabetic and obese for instance, the doctors would start him on cholesterol-lowering meds (in addition to other drugs) without checking if the cholesterol level is high or not. I'm sure a lab scientist would insist that the doctor MUST do a cholesterol test first before starting the drugs but it's not so. The cholesterol test would come much later after the person had taken the drugs for sometime.

Finally, a HIV positive patient who has symptoms of chronic cough, fever, weight loss...etc, chest findings on examination(all symptoms of tuberculosis) can be started on anti-tuberculosis drugs without waiting for lab result.

These are just few examples, they are inexhaustible here. The point I'm trying to make is that not all illnesses require lab results for treatment. This is in opposition to what a lab scientist would say that if a doctor doesn't order lab test, he is treating you wrongly.

phantom: my man calm down. call any resident in FMC ido ekiti.
if you conclude the strike was about money that's your kettle of fish.
tell okonjo to start printing money for 2015

residents are unhappy with the way the strike was called of.
it was pure politics played well by the FG but in every war sacrifices have to be made.

thegeneral84: I'm most certain the tests you request for yourself are usually malaria and typhoid (widal) tests, maybe a sugar and urine test and you think you've got it all covered. Hope you know Widal test has been abandoned since the 1990s because its result is ambiguous? You obviously haven't been really sick because then, you will discovered how incomplete and not-so-useful those tests would be without a proper medical history(which is elucidated by Doctors because a patient may think a symptom is not relevant to the illness but a Doctor tallies all those together). To further demonstrate the place of lab tests in a patients management; ideally (eg in exams) a Doctor should not interpret a lab result unless s/he has a medical history of the said patient. Also, a lab result which is not in keeping with the clinical state of the patient ( as assessed by the Doctor) is either rejected or repeated. The above examples are standards of clinical practice. Thus, the lab result is just an aid to the Doctor's clinical assessment and NEVER a replacement to clinical assessment. In situations where lab results and clinical assessment contradict each other, clinical assessment supervenes.

phantom: why are you hyperventilating? strike has been called of with members getting alerts even when JOHESU was told that there was no money.
things are already happening and you are getting worked up.
go and ask how far with the directorship and consultancy for other health workers

Mbediogu: What do you mean by 'them don tire'? You think they are happy to be on strike that long? You still do not see their point of view? Perhaps you saw the other side's point of view? I know that nobody goes to war who doesn't think he has a point. A 'balancing' of all such points has been done and a bilaterally satisfactory agreement has been reached, thats all. Nobody is tired, nobody defeated. If no one reneges on the letters of the agreement, It will victory for the nation including YOU the questioner: and another shame to the devil on a Sunday morning.

phantom: a representative of the SGF pius anyim is in the meeting now and is saying that anyim is pleading we should call off.
the same anyim who has gone to the media saying negotiations have stopped.

sorry its senator mark that sent in someone and also called. please disregard the bolded.