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All of it powered by mini-generators. Impressive.

obaaderemi:
All your sectors put together is still less than Lagos' GDP.

Obaboon, Kenya diversified economy, cannot be easily brought down. Horticulture doing well compared to 2019.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/horticulture-earnings-jump-to-sh81bn-1908266

Economist - more on TZ fishy figures
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/23/tanzanias-statistics-smell-wrong

The magical kenya

The most beautiful country - without doubt - kenya.

Let me help. All these nice things should manifest in pictures.

You cannot live in a slumpolis and tell us about HDI or whatever nonsense your statistics body cooks.

Development is visible with naked eye.

You just need to see a picture or video to know a place is rich or poor.

If Ghana looks poor; it's poor. if it quacks like a duck walks like a duck and and looks like a duck, then it's a duck.

Development can never be hidden in statistics or data.

vankelvin:
So per your definition, a good or developed country is all about
High rise buildings(better skyline)
Light rail in only one city abi?

So then what happens to the rest of the country?

I want you to give us the stats of all these countries you showed their pictures and compare them to Ghana..

HID
Literacy rate
Health system
PPP
Road infrastructure
Education system
Electricity and water coverage
Peace and security
Poverty rate
Sports facilities
Transport system
Good Governance and Democracy
Freedom of Speech
ETC

Now that is nice looking city.Accra is nowhere near Mogadishu even. Kampala is more developed than Accra.

Saddamochieng00:
Accra ain't nowhere near Maputo

Why are you paying so much for internet - first sign of a backwater.

Just30:
see this starving asshole who lives in a shack

Keep grinding cos no matter your grinding, you wont afford to own a home in YOUR ENTIRE LIFETIME.
My internet bill alone should be able to feed your entire family for a generation.



Dont worry, your next food aid is on the way.

What about your daddy IMF?

Just30:
not according to the World Bank

Nigga deal with facts

1700 is what it is

India is at 35% (gdp per capita 2,000). Pakistan 35%(1,500).Kenya at 30% (gdp per capita 1,900) - these are Nigeria and Ghana peers - Lower Middle Income countries.

China and South Africa at 60% (upper middle income countries).

If you check GDP per capita...they correspond to the urbanization...except for backwaters like Ghana, Nigeria and even DRC.

You urbanized too fast creating huge squalid slumpolis and imbalanced economy - agriculture that would fired your economies and reduce poverty - was totally neglected as everyone run to urban areas in 80s and 90s - because you gov have zero ideas about rural development.DRC is classic case...rural areas are totally ignored...huge forest...and totally insecure...so everyone run to urban areas for safety and to see modernity.

theenchanter:
nigeria is 49% urban and 51% rural..... I'm not salty.

Such statistics or averages are easily available. You can ask your milk man next time you see him.

Mzal3ndo:
Not everyone has a cow in Tanzania, that like assuming that all Americans own a Tesla. The further away you move from the city the more likely you will find cattle keepers and most people in the city use processed milk. And about producing 1 ltr do you also milk the cows to know that statistics.

Scientific knowledge like you president who denies COVID-19. Boiling is now pasteurization. This is why most kenyans think Tanzanians are a joke.

Kazikazi:
These folks lack basic scientific knowledge

Kenya SGR - despite the hullabaloo from it's detractor making dent on cost of transportation.

According to the East Africa Logistics Survey, the average cost of transporting a 40-foot container from Mombasa to Nairobi dropped to $1,000 last year from a high of $ 1,300 in 2011, while that from Mombasa to Kampala came down to $2,500 from $3,400 in the same period.

This is, however, lower compared to the Central Corridor mainly served by the Port of Dar es Salaam, where rates recorded a marginal increase. This places Mombasa as the cheapest entry point for goods into the region.

SCEA data shows the transport cost from Dar es Salaam to Kampala has increased from $2,507 in 2011 to $4,500 last year, making Northern Corridor the better choice for Uganda.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/shipping/Mombasa-port-rethinks-strategy/4003122-5600550-120h49yz/index.html

Nigeria is so poor it couldn't afford the census.

Abohboy:
Nigeria doesn’t have more poor people than India, and it’s a fact, common sense comes before outdated data, wait for the next census, then we’ll find out not just by pure speculation.

We are staging where we now invent our own facts and choose which one to trust. Nigeria is the POVERTY Capital. And it will remain so for many many years. India is growing at 6-10%. It's making poverty history.

Abohboy:
Nigeria isn’t the poverty capital, that report is obviously fake, India has 24% of the worlds poor, whilst Nigeria has 12% which means it is 88 million people are poor in Nigeria not the massively over inflated 140m that your peddling around, it is almost impossible for India to have less poor people then Nigeria.

When beaten on quality - you go to quantity.

68816419:
is this the whole Kisumu, why do u guys always celebrates only tiny cbd? , compare that with


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6alujbebvnU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydnngr6fJg

More rural development

Rural development on the back of succesfully cooperative based small holder agricluture is key to reduce slumpolis - otherwise everyone young person will run to urban areas as soon as they come of age.

Nigeria - Kenya rural development - most villages in kenya have electricity, piped water and good rural roads that are maintained. Majority people live less than 2kms from paved road.

This kind of things discourage urban migration to go and live a squalor life.

We have formal marketing of agriculture produces and export tonnes of them. We don't imagine figures.

68816419:
Nigga , we aint Kenyans, u said "Which bank was that banked in", I am asking same questions Which bank was ur agriculture revenues and stats banked in?

Kisumu CBD only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmUB8ul8RU

68816419:
WTF was that, repeating same pictures over and over again, show live videos and not pics , Nigga are u stupid how dare u compare that ugly city with enugu ,Benin ,Akure or any even Asaba, I swear , Bayelsa got far more wider developments than Mombasa ?
1- Ariel views of Enugu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK0yLXA-E0U

2- Ariel views Owerri, Imo state

3- Asaba, Delta state


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCU4xt8YROI&t=148s
4- Bayelsa State


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUyHf6c-36w

Which bank was that banked in. Nigeria is known for imagining figures.

68816419:
And yet Nigeria still generates far more revenue than the whole of east Africa?

The day you stop having 90M extremely poor people and 140M poor people - is the day we will take you seriously. The poverty capital really has some cheek. If you cannot use oil - to develop - pray what can you really do.

The only OPEC country to import oil back. Mafala sana.

No day a Nigerian will lecture kenyan on anything serious.

68816419:
All northern States are far more developed than any thing u have in Kenya, out few counties,
can u compare all these counties 6. Taita Taveta (Coast) - 7. Garissa (North Eastern) - 8. Wajir (North Eastern) - 9. Mandera (North Eastern) - 10. Marsabit (Eastern) ,Taita Taveta (Coast) - 7. Garissa (North Eastern) - 8. Wajir (North Eastern) - 9. Mandera (North Eastern) - 10. Marsabit (Eastern), 18. Nyandarua (Central) - 19. Nyeri (Central) - 20. Kirinyaga (Central) - 21. Murang'a (Central) - 22. Kiambu (Central) - 23. Turkana (Rift Valley) - 24. West Pokot (Rift Valley) - 25. Samburu (Rift Valley) , 26. Uasin Gishu (Rift Valley) - 27. Trans-Nzoia (Rift Valley) - 28. Elgeyo-Marakwet (Rift Valley) - 29. Nandi (Rift Valley) - 30. Baringo (Rift Valley) - 31. Laikipia (Rift Valley) - 32. Nakuru (Rift Valley) - 33. Narok (Rift Valley) - 34. Kajiado (Rift Valley) - 35. Kericho (Rift Valley) - 36. Bomet (Rift Valley), 37. Kakamega (Western) - 38. Vihiga (Western) - 39. Bungoma (Western) - 40. Busia (Western) - 41. Siaya (Nyanza) - 42. Kisumu (Nyanza) - 43. Homa Bay (Nyanza) - 44. Migori (Nyanza) - 45. Kisii (Nyanza) - 46. Nyamira (Nyanza) with Kano state,Kaduna,Yola,Bauchi, or Even Maiduguri , the day u guys stops celebrating Nairobi over all other 45 counties is the day i will take u guys serious
1-2 - Kano (Northern Nigeria )
3-4- Kaduna (Northern Nigeria )

How is that relevant to the debate. Orijin is just a brand by Daegeo. It's formulae. Nothing getting shipped from Nigeria.

theenchanter:
at least u drink orijin in kenya.

We have asked time and again how do you estimate what your produce in your totally informal agricluture sector. You just cook figures. All I see are ballpark estimates - hugely rounded figures.

What we see though are large food ships coming to Nigeria.

And we don't see any food leaving Nigeria - except cocoa and some little palm oil.

Data without any credibility is NONSNENSE>

Likes of Egypt - you see their foods - being hawked even in Kenya. South Africa you see food ships leaving their shores.

Kenya we exports lots of food.

68816419:
Oil destroyed our Agriculture sectors and yet we still generates more Revenue in agriculture than any other Africa nations?, the day u Kenyans accepts our superiority over any other African nations in Agriculture,Tech,Economy,Entertainments,Wide spread development.Aboriginal/Ingenious controls of resources is the day u have rest of Mind

Read this from your fellow Nigerian.... urbanization in the midst of poverty
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3463832

The result of the analysis found the effect of people migrating from rural areas to urban centres on the society to include: Increase in prostitution in the urban centres; increase in squalor settlement in the urban centres; and people are doing all sorts of odd jobs in order to survive in urban centres. The paper therefore recommends that the government should make and implement a policy on provision of functional social amenities such as electricity, pipe borne water etc. in the rural areas. Good schools and qualified teachers should be made available in the rural areas and establishment of industries in both rural and urban areas that will to an extent accommodate unemployed youths.

theenchanter:
OK...... But note that I didn't read it.

TKO as always. Study kenya rural development on the back of Africa's most successfully smallholder agriculture and you'll understand why we are "happy" with our urbanization. I think should be at 20% - not - 30% urbanization. Lots of people still rush to urban cities without jobs waiting for them on arrival causing many problems. it's not like we are china with enough manufacturing jobs.

Nigeria should be around 5% - with the rest farming.

Destroy your urban slumpolis and go back to the farm. You're living worse than animals. No electricity. No Jobs. No water.

theenchanter:
NOISE!!!! I rather commit suicide than read ur usual nonsense.

Kinshasasa is 20m slumpolis like Nigeria. Tell me what % of that is developed.
Kenya is about 30% urbanized (roughly 15m people) - and yet even that 30% of urbanized - suffers from 2M housing deficit.
That is why we have slums...while Nigeria has cities in slums.
So why would we rush to urbanize - when we need to fix that housing deficit first.

Look at China and even South Africa - they were at 50% urbanization recently - and yet boast infrastructure Nigeria can only dream about.

As regard Nigeria - please encourage your urban slumpolis resident to go back to the village and farm.

And you do that by developing rural infrastructure like we do in kenya. Kenya rural areas are very developed. Most have electricity, piped water, good roads, name it.

By developing your rural areas - you avoid DRC or Nigeria - kind of mess - rural-urban migration - without the requisite infrastructure, housing and jobs - we've had that issues before - but I think it's nipped in the bud.

theenchanter:
kenya is 26% urban and 74% rural means only about a quarter of kenya is urban or developed, it has nothing people farming as ur tweaky brain is making u to believe. we all know d reason u post only ur cbd in nairobi, usually with kicc, britam tower, i&m and gtc usually in d background..... Thats just to show how small ur cbd is. we all know why u post ur water-side and resorts when showing mombasa, and just one pics of ur remaining towns. too much concentration on nairobi is stiffling other counties.

The tech start up is now dominated by silicon valley white boys interested in social capitalism. Nairobi is world capital for social entrepreneurship.

68816419:
who dominates ur tech space?

I thought number was 10m. They should send them back ASAP. It's not acceptable.

zhike:
Thanks for the good dialogue.
SA has more than 20 millions foreigners, if foreigners could go back every South African will have work.

So they have some way to go. They should focus on mines and lands. Otherwise tokenism shareholding in corporate world while the average south africans is jobless and poor won't help. At least make them farmers...and they won't attack poor somalis and nigerians.

zhike:
They cannot stop BEE yet, because they have other things to achieve.

Mines and land is on the pipeline, but SA govt and africans owns more than 60% shares of each mine.

Start with poverty and unemployment. Developed country like Mauritius has eliminated that.

South Africa has world class infrastructure but what it lacks is growing economy that can generate enough jobs to make poverty history.

They need to figure out how to grow the economy - by shifting the economy - from domestic - to export driven manufacturing - that will generate jobs needed to fight their poverty.

zhike:
Yes, SA is a developed country.
check your facts right, what does SA lack that developed countries have.