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Nigeria is indeed doomed. How about cooperating and buying one big generator per building.

I think if Egypt and Ethiopia agree on what to do during drought years; there is enough water to go around.
Some of the environmental concerns are overhyped. Like Gibe dam - some Kenyans were shouting that Lake Turkana will disappear.
And it hasn't.
Let Sudan and Egypt reduce large scale irrigation - and use the water well.
Hydro power doesn't consume water. It's them who are wasting water growing a lot of crops they can import - Sugar is pretty useless thing to grow.

ednited:
Yes, I am Ethiopian and there is so much going on in here and I am shocked how the world isn't hearing much. I wanted to know why. . .


Egypt is kinda planning special things for us and our government is not hearing no more. Many Ethiopian scholars are saying Egypt can't make a single change.

We still filling the dam but Ethiopia is really in danger now internally and externally. Only looking up to God now

I think you're mixing causality and causation. The white folks are better - because they are generally better educated. The problem with blacks is poor or lack of education. Look at our Moi - primary school graduate or Nigeria's Buhari - an idiot who doesn't even have primary school leaving certificate. Even if they have the best intentions - their limited world view and intelligence - will work against them - and that leadership is cascaded throughout the society - including in cattle dip or kindgarten committe.

Now look at someone brilliant like Kibaki - and assume we had the same brilliance all through - it would show up.

African or blacks will get there - but they need serious investment in education.

Education is the biggest denominator in life - in nearly all decisions including basic stuff like family planning.

And because a human being is such a slowly growing thing - the results of education will show up in 20-50yrs - so nobody cares because it's not quick win.

Next after education is to improve nutrition - this will eventually led to higher IQ.

mtisTheQubit:
South Africa developed because of White folks an Minerals...call me racist or not but thats the truth....

An its not SA alone..ther is something wrong with black africa an development..or basically black culture

Nairobi has all it takes for a great city. That is why it was named 14th world most eco-friendly city. Just small issues here and there.

This is why Ghana president think Ghana vision 2050 is to achieve this. Nairobi of 1980s.
https://a.travel-assets.com/findyours-php/viewfinder/images/res70/38000/38950-Nairobi.jpg

Abohboy:
They make a city look better and more modern but it doesn’t add more development.

South Africa for many years was the Saudi Arabia of Minerals - and so was Botswana/Namibia. The British/Jew did a great job until mid last century when they handed it to the Boer - who also did a good job. ANC seem to be incapable of sustaining the next phase of development.

Nairobi has grown faster than other cities - and yes we had issues - with other places not developing - and we fixed that in 2010 - and from 2012 we have had devolution - it's now happening in other cities too.

Austine1213:
Which cities? The only city that grew was Nairobi. Im telling youyou yall gonna hate me for telling the truth.

You should be aware that an expanding city does not mean true development, migration if forcing it to

SA developed cos of will to develop not cos of minerals, many countries have minerals but are not developed.

South Africa grew thanks to it's mineral. Now it's down. Kenya and it's cities have seen dramatic growth the last 15yrs. Be afraid of the next 15yrs if you hate Kenya.

Nairobi is growing very very fast.
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/files/images/news/screenshot_21_0.png

Austine1213:
Lol i suppose you are aware skyscrapers is not what makes a city, joburg is a developed city

Johannesburg does not experience high population increase, there are other major cities by 2030 Nairobi will have a bigger population.

SA has a well established network of cities

The median age in SA is 27 years, Nairobi has around 20yrs

Of course, Nairobi is improving all that.

Abohboy:
Tall buildings isn’t what creates a city, the schools, hospitals, roads, parks, sewage all matter, in majority of Sandton and joburg you will never see a flooded road, even when it rains heavily roads won’t be flooded, which is what you should be aiming for not, having the most tall buildings.

Joburg to Pretoria - is what 40kms. Joburg to Sandton 15kms. Nairobi including it's metro is close to 7.5M people. In terms of skyscrapper - tall buildings - Nairobi is nearly catching up - even when Sandton is included.

Austine1213:
Lol are you aware Joburg alone has over 500 surburbs?

Are you aware of Capetown, Durban, Pretoria,? Stellenbosch, Pietermaritzburg?

Joburg is dead like South Africa economy. That video is just small part of Nairobi - only westland and parklands. Yes maybe when you combine Joburg and Pretoria...Nairobi has some way to go.

Shma:
I have watched the video and I can tell in ten years we'll be where jorburg is currently in.

Awesome. That is why when I say Nairobi will soon overtake Joburg - they go mad. Nairobi in 10yrs will be Africa premier city. That is just Nairobi 's Westland-Parklands. Not even 1/4 of Nairobi. Not including the metro.

Shma:
I have seen what I have never seen in Nairobi.
Everybody should watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuoAznN-Alc

Turkana Irrigation schemes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7d0aEvndlw

Maybe in the old days you'd have made sense. In those old days the country, the state, the companies, and even religion were intertwined. In the modern world we are in era where everything is separated. A country or state strictly does state or national affairs. A Nigeria company can come -actually - can log online - and register a subsidiary in Kenya - and be in Kenya. Abuja doesn't have to know they are here in Kenya selling pepper soup.

The world has changed.

Now Europe is more interested in EU - cooperation, integration and etc

While you want to go to stone age - and start country wars and enmity of 10th century.

You need to evolve fast.

Now the modern world is split into state, nation, non-state actors, private sectors, ngo, public sector, individuals and name.

Then fast forward to globalization and villagization of the world.

I have been talking recently to Chinese manufacturers on ALibaba.. I don't care about Beijing...neither do they know about Nairobi.

All we will want to agree on them supplying me.

It's a new world.

obaaderemi:
Okay, look at Europe. Why
has it been ahead of other regions of the world for such a long time?
It's because in the middle ages Europe, like it is today, was made up of many little nations that competed furiously with one another. Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Austria, Finland, Hungary, etc.
Even Germany was not united until the 19th century.
When the Dutch formed the East India company, the others including the British formed versions of it. Even in slave trade and colonization, the European competed against one another. Competition is one of the major things that helped Europe. It's why Britain remained outside the European common community until 1972_and have now exited EU.
If only Kenya and Tanzania were serious countries, then they would compete seriously with each other and become more prosperous. Same goes for Nigeria and Ghana. We should be competing to buy up firms in places like Kenya to have more influence and financial muscle than we currently have.

Countries should facilitate companies and individuals to compete in market economy - they should compete on how they are facilitating that. Once a country start trying to intervene on capitalism like US is doing now against China - they have already lost it.

Country affairs should be run on socialism-communism - but private sector should be run on cut-throat capitalism. Gov jobs is to tax that private sector and make sure the losers have something to fall back on. They should be the robin hood.

vankelvin:
Healthy competition is good.there is nothing wrong with that.

Which other Country in SADC do you think can compete with SA? Angola OR Zambia?

Thank your stars that Ghana, Nigeria,Kenya,Egypt, Morocco, Tanzania and Tunisia are not situated in your Region like you will know your smoothness level down there.

Companies(private companies and individuals) should compete - countries should cooperate. A country is non-profit public sector so how can it compete? Africa need integrations and cooperation's. If countries compete - they soon go to war against each other. What we want from Africa as Kenya is more friendly countries with more open borders so we can trade, exchange ideas and name it. We do not want to compete with Tanzania...for what? What will be the prize?

obaaderemi:
This is not true. Competition is good. Let Ghana compete with Nigeria and cotedvoire with Cameroon, and Tanzania with Kenya. That's what can lead to development. Nigeria did quite well when we had federalism, with the regions competing with each other.

I will recommend for you Neill Ferguson's book: The Six Killer Apps of Western Civilization.
One of those killer apps is Competition.

You cannot teach me Nairobi. Yes as you say it extend from Zimmerman all the way to Pipeline - just before the Airport. And those are slumscrappers. Nothing like you have in Nigeria. I am talking high rise after high rise apartments....like nearly 150 sq kms..about 15 by 10..of high rise apartments.

And yet Eastlando is generally better than what you have in West Africa.

In terms of land size - it nothing! If you start from say Garden Estate - and go all the way to Karen - keeping a mostly north of thika highway and mombasa road - you'll see the posh areas of Nairobi are huge - covers more than 1/2 of Nairobi.

Nairobi is not comparable to many SSA cities. Joburg will see dust soon.

samorobo:
Story for the gods..your slums rappers and slumpolis environ goes beyond just embkassi, pipeline ,eastlando...it also extend to Zimmerman, Roysambu,Athi river,,huruma gosh I can go and on...the percentage of of nairobians that live a decent live I bet is less than 15% a d they are tucked in your three cbd's amongst other few karen-like neighbourhood the rest find themselves in shacks,vertical slum,actual kibera-like slums,mud houses E.t.c....gisg look at Langata with all that pricy land and properties looks a low-life ghetto area..

Yes Nairobi has slumscrappers. We call it Eastland. Eastlando. It start exactly from Eastleigh all the way to Pipeline and to Embakasi. Those places are crazily high denisty. Of 4.5m Nairobi residents - about 2/3 live in Eastlando. The houses are owned by kenya middle and upper class. I have apartment myself in there..

Basically because land is very expensive..you have to build up. Eastlando have rent starting from say 30-50 dollars to high of maybe 400-500usd. They are few low rise residences...but most places allow officially upto 10 floors.

I found myself recently in Pipeline ..like 2kms square of 10 floor houses packed like sardines. The clothes lines and power lines hang precariously. I bet nearly a million people live there. Single rooms . Man you can disappear there. The houses in eastland are owned by "average" black kenyan...and nearly all are rental.

Eastland or Eastlando I think covers about 1/3 of Nairobi land mass including industrial area - although houses nearly 2/3 of Nairobi.
Westland-Karen-South - covers like 1/2 of Nairobi.
Nairobi NEP and forests - covers the remainder.
Slums covers 2-5% - and are illegally built in rivers valleys.

Note the Westland-Karen-South Nairobi would be as good as most estates in any developed world.
Eastlando or Eastland is mostly better than anything you have in Nigeria.
Our slums because they are transient - are built on anything - they will be demolished anytime - there is political will.

Now we do 3m Nairobeans who call home - Nairobi metro - Nairobi bedroom - that is Kiambu, Machakos and Kajiado county. That is anything from 20kms - from Nairobi city center.

Nairobi metro is where most average kenya middle class, buy their plot, build their homes and then commute to Nairobi.

Nairobi was filled up long time ago...and what remained is damn expensive.

samorobo:
No it's all goes down to string penchant for stupidity...lands in the rest part of the world are not crazily expensive like you see in Kenya...this has created room for ordinary owing properties...you don't have to be Jeff Bezos before you can live and own your own house..wonder no more why you made the 91% of the lives of your citizens utterly and completely miserable..luck in shacks,mud houses, Eastleigh kinda vertical slum apartment and all that.....
One would think that has expensive has you've made land properties the whole of Nairobi would be too notch but no even your best is shiit which ugly style of development...you have Eastleigh vertical slum replicated in every angle of nairobi with Westland, upperhill and CBD in the middle of it...tell me what is the difference between the rest of Nairobi (outside your three cbd's and few Karen like neighbourhood ) and Mombasa...yes that's what I thought... absolutely nothing..they looks thesame..

Sorry man there is no positive lesson to learn..like non

Market forces. Runda and westland is expensive because you can build a nice house and get rent as high as 5,000 dollars a month. That annually is 60,000usd. So if you buy 1/2 an acre (or 1/4 for a few places) - you can see ROI in 10-15yrs. And you can still sell it for more than you bought.So places like Runda, Muthaiga, Nyari, Gigiri, Rossyln, Lower Kabete, Kitusuru, entire westland and all the way to Karen - rent for apartment start at 1,000 usd - and goes as high as 8,000usd per month. - those are damn expensive - and rarely allow any highrise or even town houses. Place like Karen you needed 5 acres..now 2 acres min plot size. I think Muthaiga is 1 acre minimum. Each zone and each estate has their own strict requirements...and very well oiled associations...so you cannot just wake up and build anything.

Zones where gov has allowed to build high density houses - those are damn expensive. Kilimani is about to heat up - because soon they will allow more than 20 floors building...and like westland it will be another CBD.

It all down to zoning. If Nairobi was free for all mess like West Africa - our properties would be equally useless.

Look at Parklands. The first place I stayed when I came to Nairobi about 30yrs ago was Parklands - I was staying in my uncle - the place was low rise - and the day they allowed highrise - it something else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZE1Y-e21HM&t=71s

samorobo:
What lesson should I take from ridiculously increasing the price of your land for Kenyatta and sonko's selfish games..

Abuja btw has never been highly regarded by anyone outside Nigeria. Maybe a courteous kenyan in Abuja who doesn't want to hurt you feelings.

samorobo:
So this eco friendly city is just new noise just like lady year dynamic noise....where or not Nairobi is more eco friendly than Capetown I wouldn't hesitate to pick Capetown in a blink of an eye over shiithole nairobi a y'day,any fvcking time...I swear it..

Upperhill in Nigeria maybe. You need to know upperhill was recently a residential estate. But surely every slums in kenya have street lights. Nope..even village centers in rural kenya have traffic lights.

As for side walks - Nairobi need a lot of those - that in my view - side walks/footpaths and the slums - is what makes Nairobi an Africa city - otherwise it would be as good as any developed world city.

68816419:
but over 50% of all roads in this tiny upper hill got no sidewalks and no street lights ?

Samrobo - roads like everything - after construction - we plant grass and trim them. This is what is generally missing in Nigeria.

There is a reason why Nairobi was named the 14th world most ecological friendly city to visit - Cape town was no 50.!

Southern bypass just after completion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIzOdkoNFAM&t=49s

Now look how beautiful it's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJ1MMwypZ4

I am telling you land you can afford - 30 -60kms from Nairobi - is affordable. As for Runda - and land below 30kms of Nairobi - if you don't have 1M dollars for an acre forget it.

samorobo:
.to me you guys are just decieving yourself with this metro tag...12km away from the city centre is called runda and you are saying this is 30km away from the city centre...in reality this is all nairobi city...all this forceful governmental zoning doest change shiit.....

I don't hate or disparage Nigeria or Ghana or TZ. I speak the truth. I was supporting Ghana when I didn't know better. I support Rwanda and Ethiopia. Whenever I see something impressive in say Ghana or Nigeria - I support. I admit South Africa is far more developed than many in SSA.

In short my fidelity is to facts.

samorobo:
Lol when I first came here I was just lije abohboy..trying to make peace and all that but it didn't take me that long to wise up..then I started digging deep into Kenya to able to counter back....

I remember then we must have made peace with you guys and Kenyans will focus on TZ with Nigerians staying completely out of it as possible as we can only for rvp or kikuyu or that Nakuru idiot or even jonraid to come back and start it all over and when ever I confront him he tells me to go back and read the topic of this thread...then I wanted this thread to die but no I don't ..I am equal to the task most especially since I have learnt slot about your zoo..

Okay make sense.

Abohboy:
Shoprite is building the malls, not the government, the government attracted shoprite, hubmart and prince ebeano supermarket to expand up north and build malls there.

IMF don't really finance or sponsor project. They are like Central Bank of Ghana. They are the world Central Bank. World Bank is like commercial or development bank.

Now IMF get called when shit has hit the fan or just about to in Ghana's Treasury or Public finance.

They come with rescue or bailout package with tough conditionalities to get you out of the quagmire.

These conditionality's are almost the same - reduce budget deficit - cut public expenditure - cut social investment and spending - liberalize the economy - privatize the public sector - reduce public wages

You can call it's fiscal conservative policies to get you back on track - and spending again. These are common boilerplate policies that IMF applies everywhere there is a bailout.

Before IMF come with bailout - Ghana on it's own would probably have abandoned those projects unable to fund them anyway.

IMF will just come to fire civil servants and other unpopular decisions.

vankelvin:
Enough of your infantile lectures.

You claim Ghana's abandoned projects were as a result of IMF redrawing their funds,
and I challenged you to mention just one project that was sponsored by IMF and was later abandoned?

If you can't provide any evidence to that then I suggest you keep quiet.

Why will any sane Government abandone IMF sponsored projects? Is it a free money?

Nigeria data is always doubtful. Why did food inflation go haywire when border was blocked. Why did tomato become a luxury for many in Lagos.

68816419:
Benin is not even in the top 10 producers of tomatoes

Impressive but why are they building malls. That is private sector job. Btw when will Nigeria really focus on education.

Abohboy:
They re also building an additional 1000 hospital beds, currently there is a 300 and 200 bed under construction in kaduna.

You'd think South Africa is mentioned every time Nigeria or Ghana is put down. She is Nigerian I bet. Otherwise every Kenya knows South Africa is up there - and Kenya wont get there for at least 15yrs in my view.

Shma:
it baffles me alot when the guy is always disturbed when we mension nigeria or Ghana, I wonder how many times he has stopped justo30 for spewing lies and demeaning kenya at the same time, it's easier for him to do it for Kenyans.

If we lowered our standards like Ghana - and built shanty slumpolis - surely everyone will afford it. We are working on affordable housing scheme - 26B dollars committment to deliver 500,000 houses to be sold at 10-20k.

But we cannot lower our standards and allow everyone to build themselves a slum so we can improve ownership.

99% kenyans living in urban areas have rural homes. It's no biggie. It not like we have truly homeless people like most of west africans living for 5th generation in urban slums. Most kenyans are 1st or 2nd generation in urban areas.

Just30:
and yet empty because Kenyans cant afford it.

hence why most people live in deplorable like pipeline and the rest of your concrete jungles and cant afford to own a home.

A kenyan will never be able to afford to own a home.

That is just stupid even for you JustStupidtimes30.

Just30:
It is far cheaper to transfer petroleum using other means than a pipeline.

Precisely. She always has mega issues with Kenya. It's either she is a Nigeria or she knows we are coming for them soon . She cannot stand to see the progress that non-mineral progressive country like kenya is making.

Shma:
Dar salaam and Lagos are good.
Who disputed that?
Debating is not hate, you're always perturbed when Kenya demeans other cities but when the vise verser happens, you're always okay.
I can attest that Lagos has many projects than kenya, Lagos has more smart Buldings, Lagos has complex staffs, but planning is a big problem.
For Tanzania, we know that city well, it's nice but not compared to Nairobi.
If you have personal issues with kenya then you have to swallow some more chill pill, there are more success story coming, stay tuned.

There are properties in Nairobi metro for those who can't afford Nairobi to go and buy. For example these apartments cash is 30k usd. But if you think you can afford Westland, Upperhill, and heck nearly anywhere in Nairobi - land will cost you more than 1M dollars an acre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8uMcIbFQI

Just30:
These are the reason why you guys cant afford to own homes

This is entirely new road in upperhill.

68816419:
ugly roads , with no drainage