₦airaland Forum

They should discontinue BEE then. Look like objective has been achieved. South Africa blacks have long way to owning their economy. They should aim to own their land and mines first.

Most blacks you see in South Africa corporate world are tokenism to satisfy BEE.

zhike:
Firstly I am Nigerian.
I used to think like you , thinking that whites control SA's economy.

The reality is SA's economy is controlled by Blacks.

SA demographics, 80% african, whites, 9 % , coloured 9% and 2 % others.

which company is controlled by White?

check share dividends of MTN and you will see that more than 60% of MTN is owned by African.
All big SA corporates africans owns more than 60% of shares.

PIC is a holding company that is owned by SA govt, check how many shares it owns at SA companies.
the problem is that most Africans owns less than 1% shares of big corporates, but when you combine the shares of all Africans they are above 60% .

why white people are in the executives of this companies?
few white people have money and they managed to buy more than 2% of shares of those companies and that allows them to be board of directors.
shares of all white people combined can not be more than 40%.

Just give me 1 SA company where white people owns more than 40% of shares.

Yes Kenya, that is giving you very hard time, on google, despite having zero minerals or hydrocarbons.

68816419:
very funny sets of people , Kenya of all countries?

How about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QefIybvNsU&t=13s

68816419:
how about this ?

So the pervasive generators is also a lie. Name one area of Nigeria that enjoys 24hrs of electricity. We have heard horror stories of airports without power.

theenchanter:
I still don't get d fuss about this electricity issue u guys put up always. Populous countries don't solve their electricity crisis easily, even Egypt with half our population just solved theirs in 2016/2017.

Our electricity access rate is almost 60% and our universities, industrial areas and business clusters aren't connected to d national grid... They're connected to gas pipelines and solar energy. But u dumbos will make it seem as if everywhere in Nigeria is in stark darkness and generator's humming everywhere.

Your inane cherrypicking and nitpicking shouldn't be dignified by response. It usual lame excuses. It's small. It's whites and indians. etc etc.

But when it comes to our tiny slums - then story changes...they are BIG...even when they are just 2% of Nairobi landmass.

Parklands is here....maybe it's small...but it more developed than anything you have in Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZE1Y-e21HM&t=418s

68816419:
whats metro about dis my ?

Enugu is not even at Nakuru or Kisumu or Eldoret level.

This is Kisumu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl4JfNYYrGs

68816419:
No city in Kenya has all this road infrastructures like dis, best they have is Nairobi tiny CBD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3KuvtEGHVo&feature=emb_title

Nairobi and it's metro size is well known.

68816419:
Imagine the tiny areas Kenyans are masturbating on, recycling same pics over and over again, I pity u guys

Nairobi is world SIX most dynamic city, world 14ths most eco friendly city. Now when it come to kenya - it's right where it need to be in urbanization. You don't urbanize like Nigeria without creating urban economy to create jobs. Those Nigerians hustling in cities should be busy in farms creating wealth.

68816419:
Most Dynamic city my ass, how can u be dynamic and still have 23% of urbanization rate, largest numbers of slums on earth, please, tell me whats dynamic about your dead country?, why don't u guys stop deluding ur selves for God sake ?

If it did - Mombasa or Nairobi would be developed city.

popizaino:
If only the whole of mombasa looks like Karen,muthiaga of this world.

They use the dirtiest of fuel you can imagine. The irony. Lagos is always under smog. Kenya has some of the cleanest fuel.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3E95/production/_91212061_africa_sulphur_2016_5cat_v3.png

rationalhuman:
See thats the point, At the same time when Giant of Africa is surviving on Generators using worst possible quality of fuels (I wonder if EU2/BS 2 Fuel) is available in this continent. Some people are talking to become next China or India.

As we speak and as Giant of Africa is dependent on these generators for electricity at the same time EU, Japan, India, S. Korea , Russia, USA, China are making worlds largest Nuclear Fusion Reactor for Electricity Generation, Despite generating Millions of GW power, they are not satisfied by the Nuclear Fission. And people are projecting few African countries as new India and China. Dont know what to do laugh or cry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8571551/Worlds-largest-nuclear-fusion-project-pursuit-clean-power-begins-assembly-France.html

Country cannot be transformed by few elites. The entire North of Nigeria - 100m - are basically BOKOHARAMS - muslims neaderthdeal refusing to go to school.

Nigeria south is better....but the populous and powerful North will drag it down...by generating more and more illiterates in their baby factories

Just30:
Their investment in Education is the reason why Nigerians are outside of Nigeria seeking education.
They are the most highly educated after Asians in US and likewise the UK.
Those education sort abroad is paying off hugely in Nigeria as they return home.

I know that. Nigeria would have done well if it stuck to that. But Oil became a curse instead of a blessing. It's destroyed your agricluture. Nigeria as British colony was doing very very well...with world leading export of Palm Oil. Now it's ZERO.

When oil goes to zero - Nigerian wakes up - and talk diversity.

When oil goes back up - Nigerian get drunk - and go back to merry making

chrisooblog:
he won't understand. before oil relying just on agriculture we educated our citizens free of charge, established universities built the first tv station in africa had health institutions to be proud of.

Indians don't dominate anything in kenya apart from manufacturing. I hope you understand that kenya economy is very diverse. Those doing well in manufacturing mostly inherited business and grew them. And there are many black industrialist now.

Just know we started from the scratch. We don't have Dangote who inherited business from his grand parents. We don't have Kings and Princes who inherited fortunes or merchant class who made tonnes of money before our independence.

Under the British racial system in kenya - Africans were not even allowed to plant tea or coffee or even sell their milk - their schooling was curtailed at std 4 - we were supposed to become menial labour for British - and Indians were the merchant class. We could not vote or do anything.

So our independence had more significance to us than you.

All black kenyans in 1963 began literally from ZERO....and we have done VERY VERY well. Many began without any land because the British had grabbed million acres of land for themselves.

chrisooblog:
guy what are you talking about? you said the reason why Indians in kenya are billionaires is because mummy and daddy left them a small fortune and i'm telling you there are generations of Indians and Lebanese who have lived in Nigeria for decades yet their descendants don't dominate the Indians do in your country. for goodness sake even zimbabwe that has loads of whites and a few Indians their richest man is a native what's your excuse?

You're growing rice - big deal - you're in stage 1 - back to basics. CNN now doing projections I thought it was a new outlet.

samorobo:
The most recent projection was on April 2020 by CNN...we are diversifying fast..the rest is noise..

Muscle is nothing if there is no investment on their brain. Ask your slaves all over the world that you exported. Nigeria is not investing in education. They have world most kids out of school.

Just30:
Nigeria future is it citizens

highly productive bunch

If Oil never transfromed Nigeria - what will? People made those projections in 2014 when Oil was going for 100 dollars a barrel and Nigeria was growing by 10%. Nearly all of them must be regretting now.

Now imagine a future in 2030 - 10yrs - Oil is gone - definitely by 2040 - it will be out.

Nigeria HAS NO FUTURE.

Nigeria future is civil war that will split it up. No oil. No Nigeria. The north Sharia is technically seceded.

samorobo:
And do you care to mention those colleagues olodo boy...

Numerous sources are the one saying such about Nigeria not even us...even the western cannot denying the amount of influence we would have in the global scale in years to come despite being bitter racist...For the black race to be taken seriously it falls on Nigeria's shoulder...Ask SAns what Mandela had to say about Nigeria before his death..

Maybe a SuperGenerator would help them become a superPower. These tiny generators

Obakillah:
You seriously cant become a super power running generators. You need a good leader and a three hundred years.

Now you're contradicting yourself. Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa were under DIRECT BRITISH RULE. Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda and such countries were indirect rule...there were hardly any British citizen who came there.

The British just kidnapped the King favorite son - and kept them in Britain - and told your kings to keep sending them money as they need.

In Ghana - they simply threaten to sit on the Golden Stool unless Ghana paid 76B dollars . They never really needed to set foot in Ghana - and rule anybody. Maybe a tiny staff at colonial office in Accra to keep the count of Ghana repartition in gold and palm oil.

In Kenya - they found a country without any King or queen to make deal with or threaten - so they basically had come rule the country, farm the land, grow the economy, set up structures and the work.

British brought lot of Indians as workers. Indians business - mostly Gujaratis - also came to Kenya to do business - because the system favoured them. You need to understand Gujarati are very very good business men.

chrisooblog:
really!? and the indians in Nigeria and South Africa just arrived those respective countries this century? nobody left an inheritance for them too? rafiki please just save it.

Yes, Ethiopia can overtake kenya, if they manage their politics well. I cannot say the same about Ghana.

Just30:
Such a skeleton
Ethiopia rivaling Nairobi

Ethiopia knows their worth buy, they dont compare themselves to countries already inferior to them.

You need to understand that current rich Indians in kenya inherited business set up in 1900-1930s by their grand fathers. Pick any example. Manu Chandaria - The Shahs - name them. These are 3rd or 4th generation who found business - and came back with MBAS abroad - to expand them.

You indians are fresh of the boat and haven't or will never settle. Those are just poor Indians employed to work.

Kenya Indians - are nearly 'indigenous' hence the 44th tribe. Majority of them benefited from British racial systems of colonial period and created business that now thrive. We restricted them to industries and a few such sectors.

chrisooblog:
after all this your epistles you still haven't explained why Indians are the richest in your country. it's even confirms how lazy you guys are 150,000 out of 47 million yet they make up most of your billionaires.

Indians leave and work here like every national but you won't find them dominating richest list of nigerians. mind you a few of them here are also citizens but I've never seen or heard that an Indian born Nigerian or Lebanese was one of Nigeria's wealthiest individuals.

South Africa is good example for Kenya because of nearly similar nature - They have about 56m people - we are 48M. They are only a relevant example for us. I cannot think of any other more relevant example. Surely Botswana and Namibia...are too tiny.

Shma:
As you can see the characters are just special cases we have been dealing with.
The sane ones who knows the reality have no say.
I think it's high time we stop mentioning S. A and aim bigger.

The sooner they accept that they are in famous 'middle class' trap the better for them. They are going nowhere. They are just waiting for countries to overtake them. Not without serious reforms on their education system and all the other issues.

jln115:
cool story bro:

It's sacrilege to imagine anybody can overtake them. But I see they are now praising Nigeria . Some alliance we are seeing today.

Shma:
relevance? No.
We're free to mention any developed country whenever we want.
You're lucky we're not mentioning s. A on negative ways otherwise I don't know how you'll be acting. Thank God we're praising your cities. We're aiming at cities, just thank God.
And yes If you don't want your city to be mentioned, then Singapore is there for us. .. You think S. A is the only county with nice city, lol

They should be aiming for Joburg to be London. And their country to transition into developed world like Mauritus just did. Mauritus just became Africa's first developed country.

But they know things are THICK and hence their frustrations.

While we are aiming to be be middle class country ( Vision 2030) - with GDP per capita of 4,000-5,000 - they have NO VISION.

They are stuck in vicious middle class circle like Latin/South America countries without any escape.

And worse they may even regress back to Sub Sahara Standards.

Shma:
somebody was crying when you said we're aiming at their city.
We have been giving then raw facts but they don't get. .
Let's not mention that country again.

They are already feeling the heat - they know their country is going down - and Kenya is coming up very fast.
Rwanda is aiming to be Singapore.

Shma:
RVP, I think we should now start aiming at Singapore.
We should stop mentioning S. A in any debate.
Mentioning S A nowadays is a crime.

Sounds very brilliant. Population wise - Ethiopia and DRC will be 2nd and 3rd in my view.

jln115:
Let's face facts, Nigeria and Egypt will become the China and India of Africa.

I can feel the pain all the way here.

2005 - South Africa GDP - 257.8 billion USD (2005) - 468B in favourite PPP.
2005 - Kenya GDP - 18B

Fast forward 15yrs now - South Africa GDP is expected to be around the same place - or we can use 2019 (358 - 800B in PPP)

Kenya GDP is expected to have risen to 98B - or around 230B in PPP.

If you have done any simple projection - you can predict what will happen in 2030

jln115:
please not more of your ret@rded GDP calculations

As I've said before stick to software engineering

You're wrong. Most of the Indians left with whites en-masse. The white basically nearly all bolted out in 1962.
The Indians stayed for a few years but by 1967 - they had mostly left for Britain and Canada.

At indepedence we had 180,000 indians.
In 1965 - we gave them an option to renounce the British citizenship - 50,000 refused and chose to relocate to Britain.
In 1967 - we began Africanization of the economy - immediately there was an exodus of 23,000 indians.

Part of Africanization - was to ban Indians from engaging in many business and in many areas.

The Kenyan Africanization policy forced Britain to establish the 1968 Commonwealth Immigrants Act - and we forced out I think thousands more Indians to Britain...that were insisting on holding the British passport.

And we were left with about 100,000 indians who choose to be Kenyan citizen- now grown to 150,000 . Those Indians mostly went to manufacturing because there were no restriction in there. Now they are indeed very wealthy and proud citizens. They are our 44th tribe.

https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/life-and-style/dn2/asians-face-mass-expulsion-to-britain-as-africanisation-starts-880578

Tanzania decided to go communism and basically grabbed (nationalized) all Indian properties.

Uganda basically woke up one day and gave Indians 3 months to get out.

Now Nigeria has what 1M indians and you want to tell us about Indians owning our economy.

chrisooblog:
Wrong! the Indians you see in Nigeria are business men or their employees brought to work in Nigeria. The Indians in your country are subjects of the british govt brought to work in your country before independence just like the ones you find in Uganda, South Africa and Tanzania. After your colonial masters left Indians took over your economy and commerce which you are yet to control. Most wealthy kenyans who are natives are linked to politicians.

We are exactly 15yrs from South Africa. I cannot say the same about Nigeria. You will never get there. I mean what more would Nigeria need if 1 trillion dollars from Oil never changed your fortunes.

Kenya we will do it without any minerals.

samorobo:
Kenya that is going up according can never have a thing in SA...make use of your eye..check your best and compare it with their worst then tell me which is better..and while you are at it keep it in mind that according to you Kenya is going up while they are going down..

Nairobi was recently named 14th world most eco-friendly city in the world. South Africa best city - Cape Town - came at 50.

What do you think we will lack. We just need to replace the slums with parks; and move slum dwellers to high rises buildings - and Nairobi will be as good as any city in the developed world.

Despite the poverty and hard economic times - Nairobi has managed to remain a decent city except for Eastland.

Right now Nairobi Management just ordered folks to repaint in the original approved colors. Our planning approval is strictly adhered to.
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/nairobi-metropolitan-services-orders-repainting-of-all-buildings-in-the-county-340243/

samorobo:
Your best is trash and in African level..I have always told you, your cities can never be world class....SA has the opportunity to stay through with their planning and modernity..the rest of Africa lost that and are trying to start all over again to attain world class city while you are busy parading your third world zoo about...come down from your high horse you egoistical being.

Now you're an expert on all things South Africa. South Africa is going down. They have grown at zero % before COVID and minerals are drying up. Kenya is growing very fast...so fast we cannot keep up.

6th world most dynamic (fastest growing) city and only one in Africa.

samorobo:
Stop decieving yourself.. nairobi got nothing on another SA top four cities..take your L and go cry somewhere...

Speak for Nigeria.Upperhill and westland are turning from low rise residential areas to high rise - and the street level infrastructure - paving and the works is work in progress.

Otherwise Nairobi old CBD is pretty decent. Upperhill, westland and kilimani will soon get here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDOY56sFR1I&t=53s

samorobo:
Dude I think you need to wake up and stop living in denial ... nairobi is anything but modern..you lost it ,SA futures and some magreb cities are lucky to have started that from the beginning and maintain a standard pace of modernity..the rest of Africa that doesn't have are either building new cities or demolishing to start again...
Name it Westland, upperhill all have more taller building than Sandton but can you show me a drive through any ii those places that is half as modern as Sandton with all that highrise..... nairobi I keep telling you is a wthirld world mess you keep hyping..compare Sandton to U.S cities not shiity nairobi...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxcnHlusOt8