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Let me be clear, no SSA country outside Kenya and South Africa have REFINED PETROLEIUM PRODUCT pipeline. I am talking a line that takes petrol, diesel, kerosene, and Jet fuel. And maybe LPG.

Just30:
I guess you dont know that we have pipelines running our entire coastline Sending Gas from Gas processing facilities in western Ghana to Eastern Ghana in Tema

There is huge land in Nairobi Metro. That is where most of lower and middle class Nairobi builts. Nairobi got filled up long time ago - and is indeed very expensive.
But from 30kms from Nairobi center - you will find expansive ranches - that are cheap - starting from even 2,000 usd per plot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGjV5un2Lc&t=747s

samorobo:
It's cos of how expensive land properties are that you have ugly highrise spring all over the place...take Eastleigh for an example...

It's only logical to build vertically after paying alot for an overpriced resourcesless land driven by corrupt governmental practices....

Having pricy land is nothing to be proud of..it has made the lives of 91% nairobian miserable...living in deplorable vertical slums all in the name of highrise cos they can't afford to get a decent land and build a decent home for better living...

Show me a refined product pipeline in Ghana. I am not talking about crude oil pipeline. Also don't show me N-GAS.

Just30:
I know you like to post things to do a little ego boasting for you guys because there is nothing going on in your country but seriously, do you want to compare your unproductive country to Ghana and Nigeria in pipelines for product transfer.

When Ghana and Nigeria started building pipelines for oil, your country was still too poor to build anything for itself.

You've come along way to acknowledging Nairobi is good .

Mombasa is very developed. So is Nakuru, Kisumu and Eldoret. Obviously nothing compared to South Africa...but definitely better than nearly the rest of Sub Sahara Africa.

Austine1213:
Kenya is not nairobi

Muthaiga is definitely the most expensive residential estate in Nairobi. This 2 acres of land will cost you 2.5M dollars. Yes upper hill, westland and kilimani will go as high as 5m dollars per acre but that is because you're allowed to build highrises.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbmr9umSPs8

Samrobo, maybe you can afford Runda Mumwe (Kiambu - Nairobi Metro). A plot will just be 600,000usd .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SysIeu_v6nw

Just shows us anything close to that. It's great that Africa Travellers now has a drone because he will make our point that Kenya is very very developed. North compared to West Africa backwaters.

samorobo:
Maybe you can help rvp out...what exactly is so special in that place that cannot be seen in west Africa or TZ..tell me I was thinking to I know..

Kenya is only country outside South Africa in SSA to have a refined product oil pipeline. The product pipeline covers kenya five cities - Mombasa, Nairobi, Nakuru - with two branches to Kisumu and Eldoret.

Importation of fuel is done through bidding - where one operator is selected to import for that month or so - and fuel is then fed into Kenya Pipeline - and then sold to fuel companies - who then sell it to their dealers.

Fuel shortage in Kenya is unheard of. Kenya also dominate the fuel industry of the region thanks to this

Petrol tankers only do the last mile.

Kenya Pipelines - only 2nd to South Africa in SSA in refined product pipeline - Kisumu jetty at Lake Victoria. Once Lake Victoria get real oil tankers - Kenya will be able to export refined fuel to great lakes region easily.

Kisumu oil jetty.

Nigeria and Ghana despite all the petrol dollars cannot even hack a refined oil pipeline - and dangerous tankers sneak through Lagos traffic bursting into flames once in a while

Once in Kampala - the wagons are off-loaded and loaded for final destination.

Kenya-Uganda reinvigorate the Lake Victoria transportation.

The refined fuel from Mombasa is piped all the way to all 5 kenya cities - and in Kisumu - it's put onto a train - into the ship (MV Uhuru) - and all the way to Kampala Uganda.


Kisumu Lake Victoria Port now back in business.

Great. This road together with Kibera-Langata link road, will solve the traffic mess in the area.

gallivant:
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How about the Tomatos that Benin were producing?

Nigeria is led by primary school dropout (his certificate apparently was eaten by a dog ) and that is the level of his thinking. We cannot berate Buhari - maybe we can blame his parents. Now for someone like you, who apparently went to university, your thinking capacity is worse than Buhari. Your parents did well, but you turned out a fool worse than Buhari.

Nigeria should engage real economist to find out why smuggling is happening in the first place. Why would someone risk all that to import RICE of all things through criminal networks. The solution is not to block the borders...but to find out why Nigerians are not eating Nigerian rice! Maybe they are too damn expensive or of such low quality.

Otherwise as soon as the border is re-opened the illegal trade will resume.

As of now - now trade is happening in West Africa - because of Nigeria.

Austine1213:
Having economics as a major in varsity you learn all about trade, ecomic systems, GDPs , suppl... Etc

Thats how i know about these other things.

I still maintain closing borders in Nigeria was best decision, plus the benin rice was not produced in benin

The trading that require connection, that's your country way of doing dont think its all countries doing it.

It is every country to protect its local industries/pruducers

I will repeat - I doubt the veracity of your story.

Let try English lesson for the day. You really like starting your sentence with 'stupid or idiot'. I am not going to deal with anger issues that you clearly have but let focus on English.

Synonyms for Idiot/foolish/stupid...your most favorite word.

foolish, silly, unintelligent, idiotic, brainless, mindless, scatterbrained, crackbrained, nonsensical, senseless, irresponsible, unthinking, ill-advised, ill-considered, inept, witless, damfool, unwise, injudicious, indiscreet, short-sighted
inane, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable, risible, fatuous, asinine, pointless, meaningless, futile, fruitless, mad, insane, lunatic
informal crazy, dopey, cracked, half-baked, cock-eyed, hare-brained, nutty, potty, dotty, batty, derpy, barmy, gormless, cuckoo, loony, loopy, zany, screwy, off one's head, off one's trolley, out to lunch
British informal daft

vaxx:
Again I repeat Mr idiot. That property was built within two month from scratch. The land was sourced by the goverment and the competent Ghanaian military were the engineer . The fund was fully contributed by private sector.


When it comes to vocabulary , you are wanting .....

I thought everyone has their cow. If they were doing so well - why the malnutrition rates. My friend a Maasai cow producing 1 litre of milk is not enough to sell to the neighborhood.The reality is every rural Tanzania has one or two lactacting cow producing less than enough milk for their own families...they produce 1-1.5 liters per day...not enough to feed large rural families.

For urban areas, you need Kenya dairies, to come sell milk there.

Mzal3ndo:
Most Tanzanian own cows and supply fresh milk to their neighbors that the government does not collect data from. Most of the data about milk consumption are from processed milk and most of Tanzanians prefer fresh unprocessed milk and they can easily get it a better price from their farmer neighbor.

Now tell us where you get 90% of black SAns are richer than Africans. The Magreb - Egypt and likes - have nearly eliminated absolute poverty. Understand that first - Egypt is 3.2%, Tunisia 0.3%, etc etc.

Now let look at South Africa poverty

18.9% - cannot meet the 1.9 dollars expenditure daily per capita - that is so Sub Saharan African.
37.6% - cannot meet the 3.2
57.1% - cannot meet the 5.5

So you can see poverty is nearly as bad as many Africa countries...twice better than Kenya. And meanwhile Kenya is growing at 6% (pre-covid) with declining population and South Africa is on negative decline....so you know by 2030....South Africa poverty will be 35% and Kenya will be 18%

jln115:
1. According to the World Bank the poverty figure in SA is 18.8%(as you've stated) , which is one of the lowest in Africa never mind SSA...... So yeah

Kenya poverty figure: 36.8% @ $1.90 poverty line

2. Officially unemployment is 27%

Your limited vocabulary of insults and English is more annoying than the cheap insult. Man, you need to go back to school.

Anyway, it's takes about 1 month for concrete to heal/form...and I don't think Ghana has Chinese tech to build such in two months. Not even in one year.

Maybe you mean converting the hospital to "Infectious disease" unit.

vaxx:
You are very stupid.....that building was built within two month.........

1) International poverty line. Nearly 20% of South Africa are poor. That is nearly as worse as many in SSA. In Magreb - that kind of poverty has been eliminated.

Based on the international poverty line of $1.90 per day, (2011 Purchasing Power Parity, exchange rates), 18.8% of South Africans were poor in 2015, following a decline from 33.8% in 1996.

2) Unemployment - 40%. That is as worse as anywhere in Africa.

Hence the crime, the xenophobia and name it.

If black south african were doing so well compared to 90% of Africans - they will not attack Africans for taking their jobs and business.

They will not be looting African business.

In short even in South Africa - it appears - it's the Whites - Asians - tiny politically connected black SANs - Immigrants - and the black south africans.

And we know why - the racist Apertheid never invested in black education or empowerment.

jln115:
did I say SA was not unequal??

I simply stated the facts mate Black SAns earn more and live in less poverty than 90% of Africans.... That's just the facts mate

Ghana is littered with incomplete projects that get abandoned by IMF - I doubt you can build all that in two months.

vaxx:
This is Ghana’s all new Infectious Disease Centre. So Ghana, an African country, can build this within 2months without any foreign support? Why do we then leave projects uncompleted for several years?

The zoogerian doesn't get it. Maybe we should try pictures.

gallivant:
The border is closed.

Strengthening borders is not something that you do it once - and it's done. It's ongoing struggle. You don't block the border including all legal goods. ostensibly to fix smuggling. As soon as it reopened the usual Nigeria corruption will resume and smuggling will resume.

US doesn't block the border with Mexico despite all the narcotics getting in. What Nigeria did including their reluctance to accept Africa Free Trade just show how retrogressive the thinking in the zoo is...they are not for free trade...because ABUJA has enacted arbitrage economy favoring a few northern traders and importers. That is what they want to protect...and Nigerians down south had figured out how to beat the system by going through Benin and Cameroon.

Nigeria economy remind me of Kenya of 1980s and early 90s. Basically if you are trader, you need gov connection, to get import license and the dollars, and the gov will block your competition, leaving you with monopoly.

You're just a zoogerian pretending to be a south african.

Austine1213:
Trade between nigeria and benin is happen through legal means

Nigeria strengthning its borders was good, no cheap imports from china via benin, no illegal goodsin ro the country andand also when there are strict borders even milatants groups boko haram /el shabab cannot expand freely



Africa free trade is not a boderless africa, but its similar to southen african customs union on a grander scale

Your dairy sector is nothing to write home about. You have twice as much land as Kenya. Nearly Twice as much cattle. But you milk production is way lower than Kenya. Uganda I think is doing better because they learnt from kenya.

Kenya we overtook South Africa by investing in AI services - Artificial Insemination - to get Holstein, Freshian, name them - cows from Europe that can produce 25 litres per day.You typical cow produce I bet 1-2 litres per day.

Kenya has Africa largest herd of modern dairy cows - I think nearly 4Million cows now. These are cows that can cost as high as 3-5k dollars.

We have Africa highest milk consumption per capita. While you're busy eating cassava and sweat potatos - and suffering malnutrition

Mzal3ndo:
Can you please give a detailed explanation on why Tanzania should invest in hybrid cattle and how are the cattle that they have right now fall behind compared to the hybrid cattle, and also provide proof that Tanzania does not have hybrid cattle already.

The rant of a misinformed idiot from the dystopian zoo.

Developed countries pay a lot of taxes so they don't have to live like a zoo. They don't have to ever go through blackouts, pot-holed roads, kidnapping and absolutely lack of personal safety, pollution, lack of pipe safe water, terrible traffic jams, poor quality of education, lack of proper medical care.

Now let's compare kenya and Nigeria. We pay probably highest electricity cost in Africa - at more 20 cents a usd. Nigeria on paper pays Africa lowest at 6 cents USD. Kenya enjoy 24-7 stable electricity. Nigeria are luckly to get 6hours of electricity everyday.

You know why - Nigeria electricity sector is underfunded because consumers pay very little - so there is no investment done by power companies nor can the power producers be able to run the turbines.

The end results - nearly every Nigerian has to invest in diesel or petrol generator. The cost per KWH of a generator is upwards 40 usd cents per unit.

Conclusion: CHEAP is EXPENSIVE.

Example 2. Fuel. Kenya pays very expensive fuel prices - we tax it heavily - more than 100% to provide money to fund gov and for road maintenance levy. Nigeria pay ridiculously low prices because fuel is not taxed - but actually subsidized. You would think Nigerians enjoy the best of life - but because their road infrastructure is mostly totally collapsed and the few decent roads are clogged with traffic - it cost more to run a vehicle in Nigeria - than in Kenya. And Nigeria is plagued with fuel shortages...something unheard of in Kenya. People don't know what it means to ever go to petrol stations and lack fuel...or to have long queues. The sector is profitable for everyone - so why would fuel ever go short?

Let not even talk about the mess that fuel quality in Nigerian and the disaster on the engines and environment.

The same is true for everything else.

The amount of money Nigerians have to spend on personal security - I am told the rich have to drive with armed guards- the oil sector is a mess because thugs cut off pipelines - the Fulani herdsmen drive from Sahara to Nigeria like it was a wilderness and kill any farmer they find on their way - Boko Haram control the North East - etc. These kind of things are surreal in any modern country. Even South Sudan have some semblance of law and order. Heck Somali's AlShabaab run their regions with far more order.

The difference btw near Utopia like countries - heavily tax norway for example - and a dystopian zoo zero tax Nigeria - is obvious.

Taxes enable gov to provide common services that would be hard or inefficient if everyone was left to sort it out themselves like Nigeria has done.

Kenya tax level - at 18-20% GDP is far from ideal. South Africa at 25% of GDP. Norways are at 50%.

Kenya should aim to increase it tax base to hit 25% of GDP. While Nigeria at 5% tax to GDP will remain like Somali or Chad or Niger or name it - they get zero tax - and they have zero development.

samorobo:
Foolish noise all because I countered every of your noise with painful fact....

- Nigerians don't really pay tax cos the govt barely impose it on her citizens..Kenya on the other hand taxes the life of her citizen to the most irrational of things...Insgyine paying citizenship and residency tax when you are a citizen..wtf is that...in Kenya that is an avenue for serious corruption...with all that tax generated yet they still borrow to build even little things like just 0.5km of roads(wonder no more why your road network is just 10% paced after 56 years of Independence...tell me where Ur tax went to) . little wonder why your tax to GDP should be hovering around 73% by now....now tell me where does all that tax goes to if not the greedy pockets of of Kenyatta and his cohorts..

- Nigeria has no need for a National airline..our private airlines are soaring the skies of Africa and raising the bar so high that they are respected globally...Airline can be a source of governmental corruption with losses year in year out...Wonder no more why USA doesn't have a national airline but their private airline has risen their avaition industry to multiple billion dollar....Kenya national Airline which is "KQ" is a disgraceful, overly indebted, loss making venture scheduled to be rendered useless maximum this year...for the past 7 year KQ has never recorded profit, now tell me what is there to be proud of...Thanks to covid19 KQ is loosing an additional $500m this year..that should put that crappy flying coffin to rest finally..

- you are still on your delusional rants..I speak facts...Nigeria middle class is by a long margin bigger than that of Kenya, same goes with the per capita income,GDP per capita...heck Nigeria was reported on the international scenes last year to be making more millionaires now more than ever and it's happens we are the top..I mean it was said we are making g more millionaires than anyother country in Africa...now there goes your point to the waste bin ...
Kenya are equally in every corners of the earth escaping their zoo for a better life....this is just a fact....talk of SA and I might relax a bit but Kenya..no, nah, Never.

-UK is more developed than SA.thats the difference and that is also a fact...Every south African knows that...

The rest is drivel, not worth my time..

We own those lazy bastards. They run to South Africa - and they now have two daddies - kenya and South Africa.

Wizzzzmike:
kazikazi has shown that's never true.

Largest mall in SSA outside RSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtC3iQIg3kM

Every Tanzanian dream is be a Kenyan.

Wizzzzmike:
The same kazikazi open our eyes about deep shit Kenya is nothing but whites and Indians lol smh...can you imagine Tanzania feed Kenya lol

This was based on data cooking their gov routinely engages is - but they failed the KaziKazi eye test.

Roan77:
But you all Kenyans admitted that Ghana being a better country than Kenyan, why are you now backtracking from your initial admission?

There is nothing mildly interested in your country anymore. I use to believe your data propaganda but the day KaziKazi opened our eyes to the eye test - and I discovered just how backward your country was - is the day I lost interest in anything Ghana.

Anybody who believe Ghana is progressive state should visit and see just how backward it is.

Wizzzzmike:
Dude now ur obsessing with Ghana is sickness get help

Communist backwater state. Tell the Ebonyi governor to stop building malls and other pig-lipstick smearing antics -and work on facilitating private investors to come and invest there.

The money invested in the mall for example- if invested in small hydro station - can supply the entire city with reliable electricity.

Abohboy:
Here is one of the entrances to the ebonyi international market see beauty, they a re also building a high rise building in the international market for a bank, I’m not sure which one it is yet.

You don't improve the ease of business for foreigners (FDI) alone - but for your own people - who want to start SMES. It basically how ease it is to start or operating a business. How long do you take to get construction permit, reliable electricity, get bank credit, trade across borders etc.

Ten of these areas—starting a business, dealing with construction permits, getting electricity, registering property, getting credit, protecting minority investors, paying taxes, trading across borders, enforcing contracts, and resolving insolvency—are included in the ease of doing business score and ease of doing business ranking. Doing Business also measures regulation on employing workers and contracting with the government, which are not included in the ease of doing business score and ranking.

Samorobo2:
It is useless if it doesn't reflect on your on your FDI...

East Africa - TZ, KE and Ethiopia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bfD_lTx7g&feature=emb_logo

World Bank "Ease of Doing Business" 2020.
1) Mauritius rank 13
2) Rwanda Rank 38
3) Morocco Rank 53
4) Kenya Rank 56
5) south africa Rank 84 (Huge drop and very noticeable from being a top performer in the previous reports)
6) Zambia Rank 85
7) Botswana Rank 87
Togo Rank 97
9) Namibia Rank 104
10) Malawi Rank 109
11) Ivory coast Rank 110

Nigeria improves to 131 . Ghana 118. Tanzanai 141.

http://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/688761571934946384/pdf/Doing-Business-2020-Comparing-Business-Regulation-in-190-Economies.pdf