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The motor engine has not changed since I don't know 18th century. Germans are NOT doing innovation like the US are doing. They are consuming and applying those innovations. You just need to see how many patents the US files. Only the Chinese are competing. Germans in early part of century were competing with US in innovation and tech - but not now.

What German excels in is their incredible cottage industry that supports it's manufacturing giants - and that is built on VET (vocational education and training) - Germans are ready to roll their sleeves and get dirty. Obviously that is more sustainable systems than having a few bright people in Silicon Valley producing the next tech.

And therefore US has no options but to soon or later embrace German model - and start getting dirty again.

vaxx1:
There is a high concentration amount of engineering and innovation that either started in Germany or was heavily influenced in Germany or by Germans . just think about rocketry, the automobile and several automotive technologies, even the American space program all have their roots in Germany. There is an unusual concentration of high technology and research in Germany, which you won't find in the US.

obama was about rolling out german educational model for Americans before he ends up his tenure

I think that is a HUGE mistake.We did the same in Kenya and we are now trying to make ammends. Everyone was happy as every college became a prestigious university. . Universities are academic. Their focus is research. They won't have time vocational training - practical skills.

In any case - you don't need a lot of university graduates - a lot of theoreticians - you need very few - maybe less than 10% of the people going through universities. You need 90% of rest studying vocational and technical hands on skills.

I think we tend to copy the US systems without understanding it doesn't work for a developing country.

vaxx:
i dont see why Vocational work can't be embedded as part of university program

in Ghana, 10 polytechnic had been converted into technical university. the student literarilly learn vocational work along with research work. The past Ghana govt really work on this area.

I think you guys are confusing technology with it's application. US owns technology, innovation & engineering. It does that by investing crazy billion dollars in her word class universities. Countries should emulate US high education systems. US=Universities.(Degrees)

Now where German excel is it's famed vocational training and education (VET). Here millions of Germans out of high schools are taught practical skills and taken through apprenticeship. There is less focus on universities like you find in US and many other countries but on practical knowledge and skills.German=Technical/Vocational Colleges (Diplomas)

UK excels in both primary and secondary education - with it's O & A -level highly regarded for imparting basic education skills. UK =Primary & Secondary education.

And for China....Chinese just instill incredible work ethic on it's citizen - kids study for incredibly long - their parents work even longer and live in factory dorms.

vaxx:
i have been ringing this bell to my people.. Germany. should be emulated in the technology fied, UK education model should be adopted. or maintain while china should be copy in the trading sector.

I think nearly every country (except Nigeria ) has cornered the universal primary education - but the problem still lies ahead - very low Secondary transition rate - and even lower Tertiary transition. And of course quality of education is still very low. I think Ghana & Kenya need to focus on those. Most kids just finish primary or high schools - and their education ends there. There is a need to push for vocational training - as opposed to a few university placement. 100% secondary transition.100% tertiary transition. And we are talking.

vaxx:
This is why Ghana Goverment roll out frwe education to her citizenry. in Ghana public school, there no admission fees, no library fees, no science centre fees, no computer laboratory fees, no examination fees, no utility fees. infact there is free textbooks, free boarding and lastly free meal.
In Ghana, there is also student loan at terriatry level with a very little interest . if you are not educated in Ghana now, you can blame poverty for it but yourself.

That actually was the problem - TZ were paying so much money for Albinos - they were being hunted in the whole of East Africa to be taken to TZ witches. But certainly did help Albino case. For once people knew they were disabled and needed protection. Damn TZ witches.

NairobiWalker:
A kenyan sold an albino to you because here we protect albinos. We don't kill them.

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Chinese have proven themselves. If I was Kenya PORK - I would hand over all projects to Chinese - those people are just on their own right now - in terms of projection completion time and cost. Imagine delivery SGR nearly 1yr ahead of schedule. Chinese are crazy. They work 7 days a week and 6-6pm - and they do a good job.

Local contractors can do private sector jobs - but serious projects that require international contractors - leave it to Chinese.

tylann:
As much i dislike Chinese they are always good at they work

Actually as per their CBA - and as of 2019 - the salary has risen by another nearly 100 dollars.

So lowest primary teacher should be well into 300 dollars a month and secondary teacher about 430 dollars.

A secondary school teacher I and senior teacher I who currently earn a salary of between Sh35,910 and Sh45,880 will now get between Sh43,154 and Sh53,943.

That is about what the lowest paid primary teacher -just of college -earns about that 270Usd.

vaxx:
whaoo. impressive, in Ghana a teacher with bsc degree holder earn 1500 cedis which is about 283 dollar and about 115 thousand naira . This is too way more than what Nigeria teacher earn but still. yet to catch kenya. i hope. they can see this. i am jealous of your progress in this area.

in Ghana too, there is allowance for teacher and nurses in trainning colledge. The nurses used to have automatic job after completing. their trainning but there is a liitle problem with that now.

But are there that many children in Ghana out of school? I think in Kenya we long dealt with that problem - not it's to ensure 100% transition to secondary schools - and then to push millions into vocational trainining and thousands into universities.

vaxx:
well, i understand kenya. Ghana needs to even developed it more. Ghana is still growing, there should more children in school . if Finland a successful nation can do it, why can't we emulate them.

Somehow the. citizens are the one paying it thru taxes And fortunately for Goverment they are yet to captured 60. percent of the population paying taxes sonthe little is from just 40 percent of the population. infact only 2 percent of the citizens working in informal sector lay taxes. If a robust system is implemented and this percentage of people are captured by the revenue collector, much more money will be there for goverment to spend.

These things are better left to Chinese. Those Turkish thugs will leave Tanzania with a rickety rail that will be expensive to maintain.

NairobiWalker:
You should see the rail itself. Lol, let us remain with our diesel locomotives.

Cheap is really expensive. What hell is that. And it will be electrified.

NairobiWalker:
I see you're seeking attention elsewhere. Come here and tell us about your SGR please.

But it could be expensive - I think targeted approach would be ideal (those schools with lots of poor kids get free meals - those from arid regions & urban slums in kenya get free meals) - otherwise for a country like kenya that already spend 30% of budget -on education alone - before you go to health (universal health care) - and soon you'll have no money for infrastructure.

vaxx:
free food is an ideal policy. some part of US and UK had implement it. in Finland, school feeding is compulsory gkr everyone. kids who are hungry at home can get some food and be able to have more energy to pay attention in class. There is massive income inequality around the world, including in the advance nation. lot of kids come from families where they often go hungry at night or are malnourished.

No matter the region in Ghana. either north or south every public school kid is entitled to free food.

Ghana too has a robust boarding system.

Maybe thrice. I know it thrice Uganda now. A primary teacher in Uganda is paid 70 dollars.

NairobiWalker:
They are the third highest paid in Africa after South Africa and Morocco and twice what those in Tanzania earns. Next question?

Just out of college - they should start at around 400 dollars - I think base +house allowance salary is around 350usd. Most high school teachers easily make 700-1K usd per month - without factoring the extra they get like free housing, extra lesson pay(10 dollars a lesson) and such benefits.

In Tanzania and Uganda - a teacher would be luckly if they ever get 100 dollars.

Kenya teachers union is very powerful.

vaxx:
This is progressive.

How much is a teacher (degree holder )payed in kenya

There are a lot of deep seated tribal grivenance that makes Kenya rank highly in Fragile States. The so called historical injustices. Those will take time to resolve. Ultimately devolution is the answer...maybe even federalism.

tylann:
Ethnicity is a major problem in Kenya only during election years
Kenya need to stop this stupidity of the economy coming to a stand still because of elections

Now that sounds more plausible. I think kenya already spend way too much in education - it going to be hard to justify any more expenditure. Together with teacher salaries - & early education - we are spending nearly 30% of budget on education - figure is close to 5B dollars.

Our teachers are 3rd if not 2nd highest paid in Africa - closely trailing Morocco & South Africa.

Definitely our education outcomes are impressive. And now we are focusing on 100% transition to secondary (this year out 1.1M kids who sat for primary exam - nearly 950K joined high school) and huge push for vocational training.

chrisagyei:
We spend 100 million to feed 1.6 million kids according to the Government of Ghana and it is limited to 5000 public schools only.No private institution

Maybe.Kenya has to deal with corruption & ethnicity monster.Its certainly is more stable than many countries listed highly there.

vaxx:
Any country with. bad governance and bad policy. deserve to be on that list.

Kenya spend about twice annually for a smaller force. TZ are probably one of weakest army in Africa.

tylann:
They have nothing child soldiers in Congo are fcking them

Maji maji rebellion. I think they have 1 fighter jet - their army arsenal is really laughbale.

tylann:
How will you wipe us out with witchcraft or what

That makes sense. I am not sure why you do it nationally. Do you mean all regions have poverty problem and school feeding would be an incentive? In kenya school feeding is only done in those semi-arid regions. Also most of high schools in kenya are boarding school - a relic of the British system here. 100M dollars is really cheap for national feeding program. We spend about 20M dollars school feeding about 1.5m kids from semi-arid regions.

chrisagyei:
Yea,investing in the people or masses is the best development including infrastructure.Take the Ghana School Feeding Program(GSFP) for example,it was implemented in 2005 and has been implemented since and sustained for close to 20 years.You can imagine the benefits it gives to the nation by massively increasing enrollment since education is also free and compulsory.The government budgets over 100 million dollars annually for the feeding program only and has totally spent over 1.5 billion IS dollars and literacy is now almost 80 percent and will be 100% soon before 2025

We are dealing with them diplomatically. Already we control Jubaland - and if they don't play ball - we can make it a state of it's own. It's either Mogadishu accept to lose that sea or well they will lose the territory from Kismayu to Kenya border - and we have alshabaab excuse to stay there forever.

Kazikazi:
Now use those few indexes which you possess and deal with a bad boy in a hood aka Somalia

LAGOS!

But if you think Nairobi water supply is bad, consider Lagos. The Lagos Water Corporation produces 880 million litres daily for a city of almost 20 million people. This is just 44 litres per person per day — before deducting losses. Can you survive on that?

https://www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/lifestyle/Nairobi-loses-38-per-cent-of-its-water-before-reaching-metres/1214-4984746-w0nqiz/index.html

You're nearly 10M more - so per capita PPP - you are still lower than Kenya and would still be a LDC. Pick any index - apart from fragile state index - and you're always almost way below kenya.

Kazikazi:
...Tz is ahead of you in PPP
And don't forget you are a failed state

Dream on.There are so many indices out there claiming all sort of nonsense. But all mainstream indexes screaming Kenya is doing great - and Tanzania will NEVER catch up.

Try WB rank of countries..Kenya is low-middle class - TZ is a LDC.
Try UN's HDI - kenya has Medium human development - TZ has LHD.

And we can go on and on.

Kazikazi:
You are a failed state! Stop running away

There is barely any index Tanzania is ahead of kenya - maybe natural beauty when they finally figured out how measure it.
If you don't like nominal GDP that classify kenya as low-middle class & rapidly rising to proper middle class - then try HDI - that basically take care of so many indexes.

Kazikazi:
You have been ranked as a failed state,yet you try arguing? Are you sane?

Then u claim you beat others in all indexes! Really?

Are you ahead of Tz in PPP?
Are you ahead of Tz in economic inclusiveness?
Are you ahead of Tz in peace and security?
Are you ahead in anti corruption measures?
Are you ahead in agriculture?
Are you ahead in tourism?
Railway network?
Broadband network?
Entertainment?
Natural beauty?
Mining?
Economic growth?
Less debt?
Influence in the east & southern Africa?
Medical revolution?

Fragile and failed are not the same. Kenya shouldn't be in that list - the composite of all other index - indicate kenya is a progressive state.

vaxx:
The word fragile here is inseparable from failure as used in the context of the index.


Yes Ghana is the most sustainable country in africa follow closely by bostwana

Precisely. And they have resources in oil to basically turn around the country fortunes.

vaxx:
Then we can conclude that Nigeria is a failed state. both indixes suggest that the state and the federal goverment failed in their duty.. the political,economic and social indixes all proved that three thiers of Nigeria Goverment failed.

The state which is not able to secure and maintain peace, security and welfare for the people to a reasonably adequate extent is a failed state.

I think we get new Nairalanders who are too lazy to browse the pages - and always come here - and drag us back to what was settled long time ago. The Giant LOST long time ago. Now I am more excited engaging the Ghanians, the South Africans and such functionally literate people. Nigerians are on their own class of stupid with Tanzanian.

mtisTheQubit:
not interested man..bot interested..w've been there before an the Giant lost

That city is clearly dead on arrival - 60kms from Nairobi. But the PHD type would love it it. And that is what Konza need to attract now. Just build campuses with residences - and make it kenyan's research city.

mtisTheQubit:
exactly..instead of building a city let create tha campus an other stuff will follow later

I think re-imagining Konza like they've done as research & innovation hub will work. That means building campus for researchers rather than city where companies will relocate their operations - but more R& hub. They need to allocate all major kenya universities some acreage to build their R& stations there - that should give Konza the local push needed - to get started. Then likes of KARI, ILRI, ICRAF and KEMRI can also be allocated some acreage. Then you can start attracting the IBMS & Monsantos.

kikuyu1:
Konza is a gamechanger,like Tatu City,SGR and others. It will open up new technologies and income streams.


https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019/02/14/kenya-korea-partner-to-set-up-institute-at-konza_c1894128

Vision,planning and implementation-a process still mysterious to Naijjans.

Unhealthy maybe for you? Because the truth is searing your heart. Maybe if you admitted that Nigeria was a self-evident Zoo - we would stop talking about it. It's our civic human duty to keep drumming that until you stop arguing and start fixing Nigeria. Otherwise like South Africans have found out - Nigerian problems are now their problems - so are Somalis.

Ghanians are struggling to deal with Nigerians. I was shocked in August last year when I met so many Nigerians in Nairobi & Mombasa - I bet exporting their criminality to kenya too.

PrinceCharmings:
You talk too much about Nigeria, why don't you go focus on your country matters? Your obsessions about Nigeria is really unhealthy

Nigeria is uniformly undeveloped.

Ttipsy:
yea so true, but those from the other side of Africa won't understand! 1 3rd of their landmass isn't developed! they should stop measuring dick with Nigeria. we r not mate