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Just imagine 1B dollars in 20yrs! all of it somehow disappeared.

kikuyu1:
This questions has been asked since the first pages:someone pls tell us! Even if you can only account for half of these hundreds of billions,we need to know.

Woah. That is pretty impressive. Kenya is trying to do probably most of that - but your scale is simply breathtaking. For instance National Feeding Program for all public schools in primary to secondary.This really should be the template for many countries. I know WB/IMF will berate countries for investing on social programs - but this is what is exactly needed - human development investment.

I also know politicians used to mega corruption like Nigerian (and partly Kenyan) don't want such social program because it's very hard to steal money meant for social programs that have to be distributed - to every nook & cranky - and it easy to steal infrastructure funds - by demanding 10% from every contractor.

chrisagyei:
Through taxes.That's why imported items and manufactured items gets expensive including petrol products.They are all taxed to support all the huge social programs.From free compulsory education from basic to secondary schools nationwide and highly subsidized and cheap tertiary education to national health insurance scheme which is automatic also for people above 60 years and over 50 % national subscribers enjoying free health to highly subsidized farming which makes farming very attractive and lucrative to National Youth Employment Programs with millions of youth being employed and trained by the government to SADA which is Savannah Accelerated Development Program developing all the Northern poor regions to LEAP program which gives stipulated 150. cedis or so monthly to the very poor aged to National School feeding Program which feeds all public school students daily nutritious balanced meal from basic to secondary schools.There are over 50 other national social programs making Ghana the first sub Sahara Country to reduce poverty drastically and on course to eliminate poverty by 2025 according to the UN.

VAx = NHIS - To make sure that all Ghanaian citizens made some contribution to the scheme, a 2.5% Health Insurance Levy on selected goods and services was passed into law so that the money collected could be put into a National Health Insurance Fund to subsidize fully paid contributions to the District Health Insurance Schemes.

That probably the trick - 2.5% health insurance levy.

I think both infrastructure and social investment has to go hand in hand. Ghana definitely is one of most progressive sub-saharan country - and will achieve middle-class faster than many countries.

How do you finance the national health scheme? How do make sure the poor can afford coverage - assuming it's insurance?

vaxx:
Many delegates have been sent from Nigeria to Ghana on several occasions, Nigeria has sent sent delegate on education, how Ghana was able to perfect at terriatry level, tourism, and likewise on religious tolerance. Ghana has both muslim and christain too. but tbey have been living in harmony.


in Ghana, one can undergo a brain surgery or heart surgery for as little as 1 dollar 50 cents (600 naira)under the health care scheme so far it is caused by accident.


And before they come on me, Ghana too has sent delegates to nigeria. to learn about BRT and some other softer issues

People are fickle.Zuma was Malema. If Ramaphosa with his education & business acumen fails - and Malema is next. Malema is populist. So he'll easily get in.

Jonraid:
But from the look of the few South Africans here, they don't see Malema at the helm any time soon. He is only good in the street or the opposition.

3.6B for 2,100Mw by some Egyptian firm sound like we have another Ethiopia situation.That huge grand reinnascance dam turns out was big con - foundation too weak to support the dam. Those things can only be really "estimated" once foundation work is done.

Be prepared for several cost variation or a white elephant

Anyway Uganda are building 600Mw for 1.7B dollars - and that was 10yrs ago. Now you tells us you can build nearly 4 times bigger dam - for - twice the cost in 2019!

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Tanzania-hydropower-dam-to-cost-more-than-double/2560-4983074-1123cf1z/index.html

That expert is right - that dam will cost 10B! - if it ever get completed.

This not the first dam to be build in the world - so it easy to estimate.

Kazikazi:
A dam will cost 3b. Where are you getting 9b from?
FYI, we had 40 companies who were bidding for the project! None of them asked for 9 billions. All of them were in 3 billion range.So how will the 6b get into equation? Remember, this is engineering feat,its mathematical.

The extra 2000 of MW will go into manufacturing, mining especially a gold smelter and steel smelters which are in the pipeline. We couldn't do all those mega projects for lacking power.Our power demand per annum grows by 10 to 15%. More than 90% of Tanzania's minerals are still lying underground. We extracted less than 10% of our mineral reserves. So we need power more than kenya.

In case we gets more power we will export to anyone

They are still so many miles ahead and can afford to mess around a little longer - but if Ramaphose fails - then I see RSA trying Malema in 5-10yrs and then Zimbwabwe it will be.

Jonraid:
I meant our 'Seuth Afrikens' counterparts!

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Why-lights-keep-going-out-SAfrica/1066-4984458-view-asAMP-r38e5n/index.html

Huge disaster - that is why poverty is increasing - and all human indices are down and keep regressing. Why can't they borrow from Ghana - or they are codeined in their delusion of grandeur.

vaxx:
In Nigeria, the only state who try to influence that was ondo state Goverment. but the process was cut short. The state build mother amd child hospital ( first of its kind in africa) , he also build severy basics elementry schools to speed up educational progress in the state and he was on the plan to introduce a universal health care ( called kaadi igbeayo) before all plans went opposite.

Nigeria Goverment focus on infrastructure rather than human development

If you mean Uganda then they have 10B debt (7B external) - and their GDP is around 25-30B - so they are still fine. They are of course betting on oil changing their fortunes.

Jonraid:
23 billion dollars debt,that's not our problem but man those are serious figures!

We have had 3 national elections since the 2007 pogrom - if you include repeat election - and there was no ethnic violence. There were the usual police & protestors clashing. Dealing with hate speech means drawing the line btw is acceptable and what isn't - and people taking responsibility.

Anyway talking to Nigerian on anything progressive like that is like talking to a stone. You live in a zoo - where anything goes.

obaaderemi:
You need to deal with ethnic violence in little India fast. Shutting down internet forum has not helped you. I hope your next election would not be like the ones before it in terms of violence.

How is Nigeria doing in that end - social investment - it seems to be fairing badly year in year out.

obaaderemi:
This is actually what Africa needs most in addition to universal basic education. Educated and healthy people tend to find solutions to their problems more easily than the less so.

Western Kenya still depend on Jinja - Sondu -no dam reservoir & Turkwel -pokots- has issues!. Uganda makes a kill - selling power at 21kshs a unit. But now I think Ketraco is about done connecting Naivasha's Geothermal to western kenya -. Turkwell was suppose to fill that void but it's been closed for years now due to insecurity problem. It such a shame that such investment - 100MW - of power - cannot be produced because kenya police cannot gurantee the security of Kengen stuff. Sondu Mirru really functions only during rainy season because it doesn't have a reservior dam.

Uganda are going to get in trouble if they don't figure out how to consume 1,000MWs - Karuma dam alone will produce 600MWs - and it cost them nearly 2B dollars!!

Anyway maybe South Africa will eventually buy all the excess power given ANC inability to bring in new power sources down south.

NairobiWalker:
Actually, we no longer import power from Uganda. In the colonial times, Kenya and Uganda were like one country (British East Africa Protectorate), there was only one source of power (Owen Falls Dam) and it was in Uganda. However immediately after independence Kenya started Constructing its own dams (Seven folks) and by the 1980s when they were complete, we were producing more electricity than Uganda and didn't have to import it from Ug.

Precisely. Some of these investments are not well thought out. Kenya is already more than self-sufficient and there are still more investment on the pipeline. Uganda have nearly 1,000MW coming online soon (Karuma dam alone is 600MW) - and yet they are barely consuming 500MW. You can all excess capacity from Ethiopia and Tanzania. Unless East Africa really start doing serious minning, steel manufacturing and such heavy consumers of power - there is already an over-capacity - if you consider the power consumption per capita is very low due to poverty.

We may see a lot of white elephants. Better focus maybe on dams fro water supply and irrigation.

Jonraid:
A nine billion dollar dam? That's almost the 10 billion they collect as annual revenues!

Who will consume all the 2000 plus MW of electricity from that dam? I doubt if they have the capacity to absorb all that. Both Ethiopia and Tanzania are looking towards selling Kenya their electricity. Kenya is on the other hand consolidating its own power production. We ony import power from Uganda during the drought so as to cover our deficit because of the low power output in our hydro plants . We are now building new dams and focusing on geothermal and other renewables, I don't think we will be in this business if importing some little power in the years to come.

That looks huge.

XhosaNostra:
We built places like uShaka Marine without whites. Hmmm...I wonder how we managed to come up with that idea on our own

I am glad it didn't happen.

Obviously we have ethnicity problem that eventually boiled over and about 1K were killed & about half a million displaced in 2007 - but we have taken action. First that ethnic bloodletting gave us new constitution that has devolution (weaker form of federalism) and that gaves us 47 counties that are somewhat independent. Those 47 counties generally mirror the 44 tribes and sub-tribes. And this has lessen the tribal competition for power somewhat.

We also enacted very strong hate speech laws. Forums like Nairaland were shutdown. Nairaland would cease to exists if it was in kenya. We have far-reaching hate speech laws. You cannot use say facebook in Kenya to spread ethnic hate - you'll be picked and charged for spreading hate speech.

You read Nairaland - the amount of ethnic hate speech there - would get Seun in serious trouble in Kenya.The few kenyans in diaspora spread hate speech once in a while but it's now rare - because the police cyber unit will definitely track you.

We have National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) whose job is to address and reduce inter-ethnic conflicts.

As you can see the difference btw Kenya and Nigeria is day & night. We are a progressive country. You're regressing. If we have a problem - we try to find solutions to it - and not ignore it and hope it will somehow disappear.

obaaderemi:
Because it didn't happen, you idiot. Nigeria has serious problem with ethnic violence but don't believe everything you read on nairaland,especially when it's coming from terrorists like el rufai,the Kaduna governor. But then, We still remember how thousands died during Kenya's election, including babies and how your president was bundled to international court of justice. You always look for an excuse to be bashed. The Ethiopian girl knows what she is talking about.

Both Nigeria and Ethiopia are leading in ethnic fights - that rarely make news. In Ethiopia and Nigeria - in a week 100 or even 500 people can be killed and thousand displaced in ethnic fights that don't even make international news. Just like it's routine for Boko-Haram to kill so many people and displace thousands without it ever making news. Election violence are so bad - 65 people got killed in Kaduna and it's like nothing happened.

obaaderemi:
You are correct at the bolded though many people do not know this.

Yeap - I am also worried about our Kenya power - we really need more than one company - otherwise if they screwed up like they are doing - public has no options except prop it up. South Africa cannot do with Eskom. That gives Eskom incredible power to mess around. Whatever happens - South Africans have to clean up Eskom mess - or the turbines won't turn - and soon you're in Nigeria mess. Nigeria mess is hard to come out - it a system of distrusts - customers don't trust the power company - so big consumers (like Dangote) start generating own power - leaving power companies with poor little customers who are not profitable - the distribution company can't pay the producers - producers can't turn the turbines - and it become a spiral to the bottom.

Jonraid:
The only painful way to get out of the mess.The inflation looks likely to shoot up when that move is taken into effect at the time the economic growth is hovering at about 2 or 3 percent!

These idiots are just in special category of stupid. You can tell the Ghanians from a Nigerian. You can tell from their arguments, their integrity and their character. I am mean before logging here I never knew an African could use the shades of black as a put-down. It so sick. What hell is wrong with Nigeria. I think I need to visit that country one day to see just how perverted it is.

mtisTheQubit00:
tell him please..he eve went tfor the the usual naija beauty contest but he lost..pathetic

I think Ramphosa as businessman knows what need doing - I think his proposal of splitting Eskom is long overdue. I am suprised it has NOT been done. Nearly every African country was forced by WB to split their "ESKOMS" into several companies 20yrs ago - in Kenya our Kenya Power- was split into a regulator, transmission company, generating company and distribution company. I think once that split is done - South African can hike the price of electricity for some time to clean up the balance sheet of Eskom - and help them pay off their debts.

JaceBlaze:
It's R100 billions in debts actually,I don't know who's going to bail Eskom out of the mess but I think it needs to be fixed quick before we go the Naija route.Zuma tried what? aren't we in this mess because of nine years of hell he unleashed on South Africa?

Impressive Nigerian pedigree like we care? She still got married to an idiot who can barely communicate in English.What has Mrs Buhari achieved as first lady apart from berating Buhari inner circles. Buhari behaves like a typical Africa first lady - like she was somehow elected to interfere with politics of the country. She is another Grace Mugabe.

Ms Kenyatta has kept his distance from politics and focused on charity.Ms Kenyatta is one humble and a african great lady that has done a lot in helping reducing child mortality through his Beyond Zero Campaign.

Beyond Zero Marathon to raise funds

Awesome. 217M dollars investment is not something to be sneared at. I wish Kenya Gov could really invest in hospitals. Our national hospital - Kenyatta otherwise called John Kings - was built by Brits - and we haven't done as well - public sector wise - thank goodness for private and mission hospitals.

vaxx:
university of GHANA teaching hospital .


The most expensive and beautiful teaching hospital in west Africa. it cost Ghana Goverment 217 million dollars.

ESKOM - is the giant mess - with debt of 25-30B dollars -guaranteed by South Africa public - that is about all Kenya's external debt. I read they are now generating like a 3rd of it's capacity -meaning 15,000MW out of 45,000MW installed capacity. Starting to sound like Nigeria with 12,000MW installed capacity but can barely hit peak of 3,000MW.If Ramaphosa doesn't sort Eskom - it could well take him down and drag South Africa to Sub-saharan standards. Zuma tried but got engulfed in Guptas & brought down the KPMG with it..

JaceBlaze:
Yeah he was right,I never considered him black.


Too bad.if you got beat by Namibia just imagine what Springboks would have done to you but then you still would have complained about "oyinbo" in our squad just like you did with Namibia. @ subtle Eskom jab.


well,as far as the blackout saga goes,I'm suspecting political mind games.In two months time we are going to cast ballots and just out the blue we start to witness electricity outages? something ain't right..just my speculations but I may not be far from the mark.I'm not sure about competing with Naija tho ,we not yet at the point of purchasing generators.At least down here we are warned when the next blackout will be and how long the electricity is gonna be gone for,so you prepare yourself unlike waiting with uncertainty like our brothers in West Africa who can go for a year without lights.

That was a stupid proposal. I am glad Treasury didn't sign it. At least not yet. I think we need to dualize roads based on solid demand projections. For now Nakuru - Nairobi make economic sense.. actually Rironi to Total...should be dual.Then Nairobi maybe to Emali - and Mariakani to Mombasa. Then in all the major towns have by-passes that are dual - and continue with interchanges. Basically KENHA should be left alone to decide what needs to get done...based on traffic surveys.

tylann:
Ile expressway ya Nairobi Mombasa kuliendaje
Ama ilikuwa chocha

Start with he is a pedophile who married 13yr old, unhealthy( old & sickly) and barely literate. Yes he is probably the least corrupt in that swamp of graft that is Nigeria politics and that is probably the only thing going for him.

68816419:
How do you compare a drunkard with
*THE MAN ~BUHARI*

He was: -
* A Head boy,
* He was a platoon commander,
* He was C.O,
* He was Brigade Commander,
* He was GOC,
* USA war college Alumnus,
* He was North East Governor,
* He was Federal Commissioner,
* He was Federal Minister,
* Head of State-Commander in Chief!
* Chairman PTF, * Founded political parties,
* A highly respected World Leader,
* Currently the democratically elected President, Federal Republic of
Nigeria, GCFR!!!

*PMB HAS*
* No Oil bloc,
* No Oil Well,
* No Mansion,
* No Estates,
* No Private Jet,
* No Political Thugs,
* No Ethnicity,
* No Bigotry,
* No Plenty Luxury cars,
* No Private Company,
* No Private University,
* No Private Library,
* No Foreign Accounts,
* No Foreign Residence.
Only President Muhammadu Buhari has this unbreakable track record, your stupid drunkard fool can never.
among the ruling class.

Is there any other Nigerian politician with this record?

a popular quote
*"NEVER FIGHT A MAN THAT HAS NOTHING TO LOSS"*

Kenya is racing to dualize most of it's major highways despite not having earned more than 1 trillion dollars from Oil in the last 20yrs.

I use to think Nigeria had earned 600B dollars - but it appears Jonathan regime alone had like 400B dollars from Oil - Olesegun 400B from Oil - and Buhari 100B dollars from Oil

And yet you have NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

Clearly you're a slowpoke to think you cannot hold a candle against kenya. Just tell us where nearly 1 trillion dollars of oil from 1999-2019 has GONE INTO.

68816419:
how can a major highway in a country be left to rot and remain a single lane high way since Independent and yet you claimed to be progressing in Road development?.

Kenyans are seriously cursed indeed!

Nairobi-Mombasa highways= 470KM (yet remains single lane)

while
kano - Maiduguri highways = Distance between Kano and Maiduguri is 505 kilometers (314 miles ) is been dualized and has atained at around 62% completion
and

Abuja - kano = 378(formally 4 lane but now six lane) .
not to mentioned lagos-ibadan ,(same 6 lanes,73% completed) highways,kogi Abuja , Edo, Ph,Enugu,Calabar which are all been dualized .
Kenya is indeed not to be compared with the giant of Africa.
pic1) Kano- Maiduguri super highways (505km)
pic2) Abuja- Kano highway expansion from four lanes to six lanes(total reconstruction)

Yeap I think it makes sense to expand the airport and build the new greenfield runway & terminals.
If you look about 5yrs ago - we had like 3.5M - and by 2016 - we were around 6.5M - and now it's well on it's way to 8M passengers annually.
So if you go with that same projections - in next 5yrs - JKIA will probably be handling more than twice - the passengers now - maybe 15-20M like Joburg.

The cancelled projects need to be restored.

Here brief look at the passengers figures

2016- 7,112.000

2015 - 6,481.000

2013 -3,451.000

tylann:
We need Greenfield terminal
Iam not impressed either
Ethiopia has overtaken us

We told Nigerians that Murtala Slumport without running water or electricity was overtaken by Nairobi's JKIA in 2016. The same year Mombasa port overtook Lagos port slumplex of Apapa & TinCan.

JKIA are now aiming for 8M passengers a year - still some way to get to 21M that OR Tambo Joburg processes annually.

Lagos MM Airport is aiming for 7M.

Kur17:
The top five are~

1)Johannesburg International Airport, South Africa,
2)Cairo International Airport, Egypt,
3) Bole International Airport, Ethiopia,
4)Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Kenya
5)Cape Town Int' Airport, South Africa.

1983! Like Just30 says - I think right now - Chadian Army would eat whatever BokoHaram leave off your lunch plate.

forgiveness:
I have this for you. Nigeria had war with Chadians military. It lasted only for three days with serious beating and fleeing. They ran away with their tails in between. The same Chadians military will overan Ghana in months.



PROVOCATION.


image nigeriannation.com
On 18 April 1983, in a well planned and rehearsed operation, three thousand Chadian soldiers under the command of Idris Derby invaded and seized 19 Islands in the Lake Chad axis in Borno State. Twenty four hours later six villages in Borno State fell to Chadian troops.

Stunned by this daring unprovoked attack, Nigeria’s President Alhaji Shehu Shagari orders the Commander of the Nigerian Army 3rd Army Division General Muhammadu Buhari to flush out the invaders.



General Buhari, in his capacity as General Officer Comnanding (GOC) augmented his forces with the Nigerian Army 21st Amoured Brigade in Maiduguri.

A skilled military tactician General Buhari resisted the temptation to use Nigeria’s overwhelming superiority in amoury and man power to charge headlong . He knew the Chadians were highly skilled fighters who use their excellent mobility to their advantage. Instead he ordered the Nigerian Army Scout Regiment to recconnitor Chadian military positions.

The Nigerian Army Scout Regiment is the reconnaissance arm of the infantry. Their job is to obtain and disperse viral combat and battlefield information on the enemy under any conditions.

An Army Scout assigned to the 301 Field Artillery Regiment scans the horizon for artillery targets in the vast featureless plains of the Sambisa Forest.
Reports from Scouts confirmed the Generals suspicion. Expecting a massive retaliatory attack spearheaded by tanks, the occupying Chadian troops had prepared anti series of tank obstacles on the likely approaches by digging 10 ft trenches around fortified positions. The plan was to lure Nigerian tanks towards the myriad of concealed trenches, making it impossible to navigate. Once trapped the tanks would then be engaged by concealed troops with anti-tank weapons and RPG’s at close range.

SHOCK AND AWE.

With the Intel gathered by scouts the GOC began preparation for a punitive attack. Taking advantage of the night Nigerian troops quitely moved into flanking positions.

At day break, the Nigerian Army, under the able Commander General Muhammadu Buhari launched a massive operation to dislodge the invading Chadian forces. 4,000 soldiers besieged Chadian forces on three fronts. As Chadian troops came under relentless artillery bombardment from the eastern flank, Nigerian soldiers in the Western axis began their push to link up with the 3rd strike component in the rear, effectively encircling Chadian forces.

As Chadian casualties mounted General Buhari ordered a temporary halt to the advance, to allow Chadian forces an escape route back into Chad via the northern axis.

Stunned and disoriented by the unexpected attack from seemingly everywhere by Nigeria infantry, Chadian soldiers began to abandoned their positions in a disorganized manner and fled the battlefield in droves, leaving their vehicles and equipment behind.

It was at this moment that Nigerian troops, led by General Buhari gave chase to the fleeing Chadian soldiers. To the General, flushing out the invaders was not enough, he was determined to make a bold statement to the Chadians and teach them a bitter lesson.

Nigerian troops crossed the border into Chadian territory and continued its pursuit. Orders from Nigeria’s President to halt his advance fell on deaf ears. Nigerian troops continued its advance until they were 50 kilometres from the N’Djamena, the Chadian Capital. Facing possible court marshal General Buhari stoped the advance and withdrew his forces.


General Buhari was immediately summoned by the President for disobeying a direct order from the President to stop his advance. In his defence the General claimed in the heat of battle he was unaware he had crossed into Chadian territory.

Source :

https://defensenigeria.blog/2017/08/21/forgotten-facts-the-three-day-war-between-nigeria-and-chad/

Yeap the fact that they cannot beat BokoHaram inside Nigeria just tell your Nigeria Army is totally CRAP.

Jonraid:
“We were about 200, advancing into Sambisa, and the first problem started when we weren’t given food or money to feed,” he says as his voice dropped again.

“On this first assignment to the bush, some died and, luckily, some of us returned alive. If you see the kind of food they would eventually give us, you will weep for us. There was a time we were begging our enemy for water, because we were going to die of thirst. The military helicopter, we were told, would bring water but wouldn’t be able to land because where we are is not safe for it. And, I would ask, what about us on the ground here?”

The insurgents may have killed quite a number of soldiers, but these fighters say lack of food and water should also be held responsible for soldiers’ death.


Oh dear!

https://www.thecable.ng/investigation-soldiers-fighting-boko-haram-beg-food-sleep-classrooms

Shell owns Nigeria

uzzyke:
oil and gas

Eldoret Kenya

long overdue.

vaxx:
Ghana chocolate bar better than what is obtainable in Europe .. very tasty and yummy.


Its just the same coocoa beans chocolate. no spices, no nuts. no caramel, no wafers, no bullshit .Kingsbite is too raw. Ghana black chocolate