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Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 4:21am On Nov 13, 2018
Kenya send lots of students to USA,UK, Australia and South Africa.In fact at some point we had more students in the US than Nigeria.
68816419:
hmmm funny Kenyans do you know how many Nigerians r in chads, nigger,Ghana and other poorer countries...and how many of these same foreign students are studying and leaving in Nigeria, we don't go to countries cause we see it "poor" we go to any country we would benefits and have a better chance of overriding the daft local population.
The only reasons u won't find Kenyans in Nigeria universities is because Kenyans can't afford to TRAVEL to Nigeria as most of them are too poor to pay for cost of fares and others expensive unlike Nigeria who can afford to spend, Kenyans only depends on government loans to carter for their educational need and for such reason u hardly find average Kenyans in private university, their you only find Somalis,Nigerians , Indians and other politician children .
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 4:14am On Nov 13, 2018
He is dimwitted
Yobeezy:
So this sasol fool has been kazikazi grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 5:16pm On Nov 12, 2018
That million dollar question. Other revenues are like 3 trillion - less than 10b - total gov revenues Oil+Non-Oil is about 30B - add deficit financing of 3-4 billion dollars - and you've their total budget max of 35B.
Jonraid:
So if oil generates 20 billion US dollars.What then generates this remaining 40 billion US dollars? How does this figure rise up?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 4:48pm On Nov 12, 2018
peanut compared to 7.3 trillion naira from Oil.
forgiveness:
Now I know you are a novice.

Who told you Nigeria generates from only oil?

My friend, you don't know fadin about Nigeria.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 4:38pm On Nov 12, 2018
Easy with triple counting. How is this FAAC - budgetted or accounted for - does Federal Gov's min of finance budget the entire amount - and then share to States or Counties - or each entity sort of assume what their share will be and budget for that.

And beside it really easy - how much money does you gov makes from oil - your budget is really mainly oil.

The answer from 2017 - your gov made 7 trillion Naira from oil- which is just about 20B dollars - how you turn that around to 60B - is the art of TRIPLE COUNTING.

darfay:
You must be madly insane
In trillions
Federal government budget2018 ) #9.12

Total state govt(36) Abuja not included. #9.3

Local government (774) #2.0

FCT (Abuja) #0.272

Total budget. #20.692

That is about $60 billion, still very poor but wey ahead of Kenya.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 3:13pm On Nov 12, 2018
Nigeria states budget are truly hilarious - Cross Rivers
When a state’s budget rises from N301 billion in 2017 to N1.35 trillion in 2018, it is not just a sign of fanciful accounting but of fiscal delusion; it is a poor man’s dream masquerading as a rich man’s fantasy. An increasing number of analysts have noted that the Cross Rivers State government’s spanking new budget for the year 2018 is a dangerous bridge between wishful thinking and irrational expectations
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 3:02pm On Nov 12, 2018
They need to apply 3months before arriving in that TZ. Those lazy dullards are something.
Jonraid:
The truth of the matter is that EAC countries aren't that welcoming to Nigerians!Don't be lied by the support of Kazikazi in this thread!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crzKPYeLYX8?t=30
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:59pm On Nov 12, 2018
Even if we double counted - you still cannot get past 35B.
darfay:
I would have given you a hot slap if you were close by fact remains that our total budget exceeds $50billion dollars
If what you have typed above is a lie devoid of common sense may premature death be your lot up until your 10th generation
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:51pm On Nov 12, 2018
What is being shared? Oil windfalls. Therefore I can help you find x (expected oil revenue) and expected IGR (Y = this is very very minimal because you just don't pay or collect taxes).

Let find x. 2.?M barrels per day * price per barrel*365 days - and you've got your federal, state & local gov budget - at least 80-95% of your budget.

We can give a ballpark estimate that this year your 90% budget will be around 30B - aka OIL MONEY- you see we get the same answer grin

darfay:
Allocation is based on revenue sharing which the federal government is an active reactor just like the state government and not more than the local government

Federal government 52.6% + igr = federal budget

State government 26.72% + igr = state budget

Local government 20.60% + igr = budget for L. G. A's
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:37pm On Nov 12, 2018
English comprehension is a problem for most of Nigeria because you've got the ugly pidgin messing your up. Although just based on this thread..it obvious the young generation of Nigerian are as dumb as Tanzania. It obvious your education that was strong in 60s and 70s...has gone to the dogs!!!!!!!

Nigeria total budget is 28B - I think about 10B is federal allocation to states - meaning that money Abuja will wire to each of those states.

Each state will do their budget....with estimate of what Abuja will wire to them...in addition to what they can generate and maybe borrow (they are very indebted).

Kenya is a devolved gov. Our gov allocated counties money...about 3-4B dollars -- we cannot double count that.

In short your total budget is 31B. ours is 31B.

darfay:
Stop sounding dumb abeg. The federal has never contained the state budget which has never contained the local government budget, not at any point since our independence. How can a budget(state and local government) be based on someone else's budget
Don't forget we operate a federal government not a unitary one. Nigeria is not Kenya never assume
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:34pm On Nov 12, 2018
Whatever rank you choose - Nairobi will always be top 5 africa city - and easily the 3rd important city - after Joburg & Egypt - sometimes Lagos & Cape town are slightly better - but overal Nairobi is hot on the heels of Joburg - and the South African is not happy.
darfay:
Nairobi is a slum. You hear that rvp2018. And to think the Kenyans said they would soon leave South Africa in the dust
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:31pm On Nov 12, 2018
Google - I think anything close to 3B dollars - with about 1/3 from Lagos city. So 28B+3B=31. In Kenya it's 30B+1B=31. So officially this year tiny kenya with 90B economy has the same money in gov coffers with mighty Nigeria.
forgiveness:
Show me the 2018 budget of 36 states with reliable source.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:27pm On Nov 12, 2018
Double counting. Federal budget contains federal allocation to 36 states.Each State budget contain the same share of federal allocation. The total budget for Nigeria therefore is federal budget+IGR of the 36 states..which is about nothing except for 3 states (Lagos, River State and one more I forget).

I do the same for Kenya. Total national budget +IGR for 47 counties.

darfay:
Why would you remove federal allocation when the same body that allocates to states allocate to federal and also the local government and thus every body budgets based on allocation (federal,state and local government) plus igr
Don't look foolish to over 180 million Nigerians. I doesn't cost you anything to ask
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:25pm On Nov 12, 2018
They are valuable thanks to shortage - it sign of un-development and unmet demand. If you go to south sudan or somali - you'll find very valuable tent hotels.

For an economy that want to rival South Africa - you need 10 times your hotels - you bed capacity of 7,000 branded hotels - pale in comparison to their 60,000 or Kenya's 20,000.

forgiveness:
Does that change the fact that Nigeria's hotel is more valuable than that your 20,000 empty hotels? grin


My friend, see fact.


Nigeria leads in the whole of Africa mainland in value. We no bi mate. grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:20pm On Nov 12, 2018
NJoro turn off?
Kenyanstar:
KENYA
NYAHURUHURU TURNOFF
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:17pm On Nov 12, 2018
The internet smiley I did this - I added 36 state +federal budget - and removed the federal allocation.

Federal Gov Budget (USD)
1999:$13.6bn
2000:$8.2bn
2001:$8.3bn
2002:$9.5bn
2003:$11.4bn
2004:$9.8bn
2005:$12.4bn
2006:$14.7bn
2007:$18.8bn
2008:$21.1bn
2009:$25.8bn
2010:$29.3bn
2011:$31.8bn
2012:$31.4bn
2013:$31.2bn
2014:$31.1bn
2015: $26.7bn
2016: $31.9bn
2017: $23.6bn
2018: $28.2bn — BudgIT Nigeria (@BudgITng) November 10, 2017

Add up state budget and remove the federal allocation - so you don't double count.

Or just add federal allocation (28B) PLUS IGR from the 36 states (only Lagos seem to generate some serious money -1B dollars)


forgiveness:
Where did you get that fact from? grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:05pm On Nov 12, 2018
You're starting from a very low base of 7,000 beds in branded hotels - I think - so to reach kenya level in 20,000 you have to really work hard. South Africa have 60,000 branded hotels - that is a huge mountain.
forgiveness:
Check the date. It is June 2018. Meaning it has expired. grin

We are in November 2018. Many branded chains have opened in many cities afterwards. grin

This is one of them below. Besides, Quantity doesn't tantamount to valuable. You have Quantity we have Valuable. shocked grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:56pm On Nov 12, 2018
Uhuru will leave us when will be around 140-150B dollars (15 trillion Kshs) in 2023. That is Treasury projection based on 6% average growth rate. I think we might re-base again around there and realize the economy is larger - Ghana are aggressively doing this - their base year is recommended 5yrs - ours is 10yrs and I don't see that changing - because for re-basing you need lots of data that you can only get from census - the developed world have 5yr census circle - we can't afford to do that. Anyway IMF/WB think we will be around 130B in 2022.

10 yrs from now - we should be comfortably around 270-300B - not far from where South Africa & Egypt are currently - and by then I am betting we would be 3rd biggest economy after Egypt & South Africa - I think Egypt will certainly overtake South Africa soon.

Nigeria GDP is over-inflated and everyone with a pair of eyes can see that. Their budget at 30B - combined state+federal - tells you there is nothing there to see.

Jonraid:
What are your projections of our GDP counting 10 years from now? What will it be when Uhuru departs?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:06pm On Nov 12, 2018
I hope Nigerians are seeing what 350B economy is really suppose to look like. They claim to have larger economy than South Africa - and yet Tanzania look even better than them.

Kenya has to grow it's economy 4 times to reach South Africa current level. And that is doable in a decade.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 12:42pm On Nov 12, 2018
Precisely. Their earning data is cooked. Unless you were to imagine their tourist spend twice what they spend in Kenya and South Africa or other such countries.
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Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:59am On Nov 12, 2018
In short their tourism earning figures don't make sense. It's nigeria type of cooking. Last year we received I think 1.2M tourists - our earning as we computed was 1.2B dollars. Tanzania received 1.3M tourist - their earnings as they self-reported - 2.5B dollars.

You should know it just in the period of Alshabab and their wars that they caught Kenya - otherwise generally we use to receive twice the number of their visitors - and they use to claim they earn the same as us.

These are kenya tourism data.

[img]https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/4306272/medRes/1885785/-/maxw/1272/-/ksmrc/-/tourism+data.jpg[/img]


Jonraid:
2.4b billion US dollars is quite some money! If that is what they get annually then I don't know why most International HOTEL brands see Kenya as a first stop in the East and Central African market! The reason can be that we are more diversified in our ways. 70% of tourists in Tanzania are likely to be Safari lovers and mostly foreigners.In Kenya,the domestic Kenyans will support you even when the international tourists aren't knocking,we also host a lot of conferences (one of the best conference destination in Africa.Conference tourism earns us much just like Safari and beach tourism) and we are a hotbed of multinationals,so outsiders are in plenty here,Tanzania doesn't get to enjoy this much. Ambassadors in most EAC countries and critical UN agencies call Nairobi their home,this is a plus for us. It makes more sense for them to invest in Kenya,add the connectivity of Kenya to the world among many factors.If you look at things closely,you'll see that Kenya is the best place to put up your business as compared to Tanzania! You can add stuff like more skilled manpower,largest economy in the EAC and a liberalized economy that has strong frameworks and is less interfered by government and political forces!

We just seem to have a healthy mix of everything including external debt! grin

Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:59am On Nov 12, 2018
It called cooked data - which is why the gap keep widening - kenya as of today has GDP of 90B (9 trillion kshs) - Tanzania is struggling to get to 55B - the gap is not closing!

That is why they are passing the laws to prevent anybody from questioning their stats.

tlann:
this tanzanian guy hawezi tubeba ufala hapa tanzania has been growing at faster rate than kenya for 10 years at least 7% a year which i doubt and it has never overtaken kenya which grows at least 5.5 % the gap keeps on widening and you are saying that you are better than us in what exactly tell us
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:59am On Nov 12, 2018
It called cooked data - which is why the gap keep widening - kenya as of today has GDP of 90B (9 trillion kshs) - Tanzania is struggling to get to 55B - the gap is not closing!
tlann:
this tanzanian guy hawezi tubeba ufala hapa tanzania has been growing at faster rate than kenya for 10 years at least 7% a year which i doubt and it has never overtaken kenya which grows at least 5.5 % the gap keeps on widening and you are saying that you are better than us in what exactly tell us
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:58am On Nov 12, 2018
Just check number of tourist they receive - and compare with Kenya, South Africa, Zim, Zambia, Uganda, name them - and see how cooked their data are - they claim to make 2 times more from the same tourist we get!!!!!!!!!!
Jonraid:
The World Bank gave them a warning,Tanzanians now want to be known as cookers of data!https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-worldbank/tanzania-law-punishing-critics-of-statistics-deeply-concerning-world-bank-idUSKCN1MD17P

I can't trust whatever this Kazikazi fella brings as statistics!
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:52am On Nov 12, 2018
Your figures are dodgy - they don't correlate with number of tourist you receive. South Africa receives 10m tourists - they make 8.8B from them. Kenya receives about 1M - we make about 1B dollars. Tanzania receive normally less than 1M - and claim to make 2.5B of them. The profile of the tourist you receive is the same that we and south africa receives - they should spend roughly 1000 dollars - not 2,500 dollars!!!. That I tell you is Nigeria style data cooking. I do hope this kind of cooking doesn't extend to your GDP figures.
Kazikazi:
Since you are stubborn, I will repost the numbers.
FYI mount Kilimanjaro have been voted the best tourist attraction in Africa for 4 years in a row.What else is valuable than having the best tourist attraction?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:50am On Nov 12, 2018
TZ figures are doggy - for a long time they claim to make from the same set of tourist - twice the dollars we make. I think that just a case of cooked figures. Kenya has always almost received more tourist than TZ except during Alshabab terror.
Jonraid:
This isn't the true statistics.We didn't rake that much in 2017 but we made 1.2 billion US dollars in 2017, 2017 was the year that we had a long electioneering period which stifled businesses and our economic growth!https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kenya-global-hotel-brands/2560-4590066-8vruf0z/index.html

I cannot trust the data you've gotten from this site! So this is failure of an attempt from you!
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:48am On Nov 12, 2018
You do your research again..and when you're ready we can discuss railways network..in route & track terms if you fancy that. Kenya has a functional meter gauge railway that rans from Mombasa to Kampala - with kenya section about 1,000kms. That railways has branches - Athi river to Magadi is roughly 150km of functional rail. There is kisumu section that is also functional. We also have about 600kms of railway all way to Nanyuki & Nyahururu that is disused..and a section to TZ border of Taveta is not functional. The is light rail network in Nairobi city that is functional.Our SGR is greenfield...that is brand new rail....running parrallel to old functional rail. Yours is an upgrade of the existing MGR.

Kazikazi:
Stop lying.Your SGR is 470 km long.
Where do you get 2778 km?
The distance btn Mombasa and Ugandan border is less than 1000kms,Where else do you have a railway? Pwaaaa...
Look for some fools from kibera to lie to.mxm
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018:
Your total rail network is 2,600kms (narrow gauge) - with only 950km Tazara network functional. A gift from Chinese people for wrecking your economy by teaching you Ujamaa. The SGR is an up-grade of the existing narrow/meter-gauge rail...not a greenfield..so generally your total network is stuck at 2,600 save for few sections..give and take 3,000kms after completion of SGR - if it ever come to it - considering your lethargy and brokeness.

Kenya Narrow gauge network is 2,778ksm - and our greenfield SGR is 485Km completed (NBO-Mombasa) & 150Kms (80% completion) to be ready early next year - we will soon add another 250kms to Kisumu from Naivasha - and then another 150kms to Malaba.

So in total our railway network is soon going to be 5,000kms - double yours - and our country is half your size. Your only greenfield SGR is small section from Isaka to Rwanda border I think.

We won't add LAPSET proposed network - which would add another 2,000 plus kms to our railway network when it get implemented. Your railway network for near future will be stuck at 3,000kms..ours will be slowly climing to 10,000kms. South Africa has about 22,000kms (route network) - which is our target somewhere in 2030.

Kazikazi:
Let's start from railways. Our railway network is far ahead of you.Here is our current network. Show me yours.Don't bring artificial renders of dead lappset.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:06am On Nov 12, 2018
Oracle Nairobi is a regional office that serves more than 20 countries - Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Rwanda, Burundi, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Angola, Malawi and Swaziland. Others are Madagascar, Re-Union, Seychelles and Mauritius.

Nairobi has established itself as HQ of multinationals interested in Africa - hence the pipeline of Grade A offices.

Jonraid:
Never knew Oracle had an office in Nairobi.That's a top global ICT company.We already have IBM,Cisco and others who have invested in us.Things couldn't get any better for our ICT! We are Africa's Silicon Savannah!
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:01am On Nov 12, 2018
When you're running on empty, what do you expect? They are scrapping the bottom of the barrel knowing very well that Kenya is so far ahead of them. Its like us trying to compete with South Africa - it simply not possible for Kenya to compare itself with South Africa now - with a straight face. We still need at least 15yrs to take on South Africa...but if we continue making progress...we can do it in 10yrs.
Jonraid:
But this is the discussion that our competitors won't want us to discuss.They'll just bring up Kibera ,news of Kenyatta owning 80% of the land in Kenya and how our economy is run by whites and Indians.This is all bullshit for someone to believe about Kenya.It is funny considering that is the best approach they can shape their arguments about Kenya! They don't have anything else to bring to the table!
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:51am On Nov 12, 2018
African countries ranked most innovative; rankings per innovation indicator
1(best)-137(worst)

https://www.tralac.org/images/Discussions/Viljoen_GCI_Fig_1_October_2017.jpg
For African countries Kenya (ranked 37th) and South Africa (39th) outperformed the rest of Arica. Kenya shows the highest incidence of available scientists and engineers, while South Africa fares best in the areas of the application for patents, company spending on research and development and quality scientific research institutions.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:49am On Nov 12, 2018
Tanzania will look for one obscure report or two that shows them ahead of Kenya in anything and ran away with that. Kenya ranking in whatever sector are solid.

Here are some few example: Investment.
Africa Investment Index - Kenya improve from no 15 in Africa to no 9.
http://quantumglobalgroup.com/commodities_cat/africa-investment-index-2018/
South Africa RMB: Kenya is consistently on top 10..

And we are not talking of investment in natural resource extraction like you'd find in typical africa country but high end stuff.

When it come to infrastructure...there is simply no comparison btw us & nigeria & TZ.

tlann:
they keep yapping and bluffing here tanzania is better than kenya with no facts they shout kibera and starving kenyans we have kibera and all our shortcomings but we beat both nigeria and tanzania in quality of life so what is the point nigeria and tanzania dont beat kenya in anything that is why they have join hands to bring kenya down with lies rumours and witchcraft ati tanzania has better infrastructure than kenya kuanzia lini

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