₦airaland Forum

Perfection description of a backward & primitive country.

Kazikazi:
Tanzania is not Kenya.We don't worship white people.we have our traditions and way of life different with yours.Just allow us to be us!
We don't allow prostitution.many of them have been arrested,the authorities have visited many lodges to enforce the law.Begging is illegal.many beggars have been taken off the street.Same sex relationship is illegal,many have been arrested for doing that.It is illegal for a married person to deny ur partner his/her sex,you can b taken to court.
Single mothers: mmmh, You will be forced to come with your partner when visiting government clinics.

Ease of doing business - what Nigeria can learn from Kenya.

Kenya is now just behind Rwanda and Mauritus in the Ease of Doing business in Africa

https://www.pulse.ng/bi/strategy/world-banks-ease-of-business-nigeria-ghana-learn-from-kenya-id9055465.html
Nigeria and Ghana are the still within the three-digit ranking rate on the World Bank's Ease Of Doing Business report but with a lot of lessons to learn from Kenya's reforms.

Africa's largest economy has been ranked 146 among other countries where entrepreneurs and small and medium enterprises can thrive, a drop from 145 it ranked last year.

Ghana, on the other hand, moves six places up to 114 with improvement attributed mainly its single window system in the Port while Kenya jumps 19 positions from 80th last year to 61 this year, out of 190 countries.

Fifa latest ranking -Football - Nigeria is ranked No 44 - Kenya is ranked no 105. At an average ranking of 50 - Nigeria is totally crap in football - and can never hope to win world cup..just like Kenya.

Kenya is rank top globally in athletics (1), Rugby Football and many other sports.Kenya is the undisputed Africa SPORTING NATION - and global sporting nation - that dominate marathon running in cities all over the world including Lagos.

If you mean VAT reforms that have been ongoing - then no effect - if you mean taxation of transactions - I see minimal effect - the biggest impact we shall see if from removal or lowering of interest capping for deposits - now banks will be able to mobilize more deposits and their spread (profit) will increase.Financial markets - if you mean NSE - I don't see coming out of the woods soon - unless gov start selling off some of it's parastals through IPOS and bring in new investors. Foreign investor will have to come back big time but they can't with IMF scare mongering about Kshs being over-valued and debt concerns - all are baseless unfounded propaganda.

Excess reserves - mean stronger Kshs. It been CBK policy to devalue Kshs to 100shs and it reached that sweat pot about 3yrs ago - and I don't see that changing - CBK will defend kshs at 100shs to a dollar for some time.

Yobeezy:
Please my fellow Kenyans assist me to address these questions.

TayserMahiri,Jonraid,Jay254,Kur17,Kenyanstar,Nairobiwalker,gallivant,rvp2018,mtisTheQubit and others whom I might not have mentioned.

1.Effects of the new tax laws on the performance of financial institutions in Kenya.

2.Effect of the new tax laws on the financial markets in Kenya.

3.Benefits that CBK accrues by having excess reserves.

No way any Nigeria city can beat any kenya city - liveable when you don't have stable electricity - you must be kidding me

forgiveness:
Nairobi was counted among the 140 most livable cities. Meaning, it was not considered for human beings to live hence Lagos is far better than Nairobi.

Why Tanzania is poor. Very weak property rights.

Under the Land Act of 1999, all land in Tanzania belongs to the state. Procedures for obtaining a lease or certificate of occupancy can be complex and lengthy, both for citizens and foreign investors

In Kenya our land tenure is Freehold - except of foreigners who own leases.Whoever hold the titledeed of the land is the ABSOLUTE AND CONCLUSIVE OWNER of that land - and if gov want to exercise Eminent Domain - then it has to adequately compensate - or prepare for a lengthy court process.

Now how do you develop when TZ gov can decide to evict whole villages and give the land to Qataris for hunting game. This same nonsense is replicated in Ethiopia. Gov substitute your prime property in Adis for similar land in interior . Gov want to build road or dam - it just evict people and dump them somewhere else.


As you're sloganeering wrongly about Kenyattas or whites owning land in kenya - you don't realize that our gov is busy issuing millions and millions of title deed to kenyans - that secure their property rights - and which they can use to borrow or leverage in banks.

You will NEVER CATCH UP with kenya.

So you start by saying many indices based on empirical evidence that clearly show Kenya is miles ahead are cooked and then go ahead to quote the few that somehow has the laggard TZ showing some promise.

TZ economy is only growing thanks to minning. Kenya is more food secure than TZ - and the only parts of kenya with food insecurity are the semi-arid and arid northern kenya - you generally have arable land - and all you do is farm maize & beans - and you're more malnourished than many arid and semi arid countries!!!

Now talking of Land. This is probably why you are poor. Kenya land is OWNED by kenyans. Tanzania land is owned by GOVERNMENT OF TANZANIA. Ours is freehold - yours is leasehold. You have very weak property rights that discourage investment because gov can decide to take away your land any day. Kenyattas and whites don't own even 1% of Kenya land - arable or not arable - so quit being dramatic. Kenya is 518 SqKms.


As for your economy growing - you're now at 55B dollars - kenya is well into 90B dollars. I am pretty sure you'll never catch up. The gap is not narrowing - it's increasing.

Kazikazi:
Most of your so called indexes are cooked data.Just think about food security,You have a huge populace which goes to bed hungry..who's a lagard then? Tanzania's economy grows faster than Kenya..who's a lagard then? Tanzania leads in inclusive economy not Kenya..who's a lagard then? Tanzania spent money and sweated to end tribalism..mind u it didn't just happen.Kenyan still are killing each other due to tribalism.who's primitive? Tanzanians own land,but Kenyans surrender their fertile land to few politicians and whites,they are growing coffee and flowers while your people are starving.whos a dullard here? Kenya has more slum dwellers than Tanzania.who's laggard here? Kenyatta family owns 20% of Kenyans arable land which is enough to settle more than 20 millions poor kenyans,but most of you kiberans don't bother.who's a laggard here? Construction of Tanzania's speed railway network is almost reaching Rwanda but your Kenyan old school stuff is going nowhere! Chinese cheated Kenyans! Who's a dullard here?

Maybe this can explain why TZ is uniquely poor.

QUORA -
Robert McCann, Walrus Pelt Examiner at WtfGmbH Et Cie
Answered Mar 31, 2017


Just to add my two cents. Tanzania has numerous natural resources and a remarkably cohesive population by African standards. It hasn’t had any wars (or even rumours of wars) for instance and it really should be much wealthier. However it laboured under a form of authoritarian communism for a long time under Julius Nyerere and while this is no more, there is a legacy that lingers.

There is a deep cultural suspicion for individual ambition. I don’t mean ostentation. Tanzania is fine with prominent displays of wealth. It is the process of acquiring the wealth that is frowned upon. Also more prosaically access to the means of generating wealth tends to be limited to those who are already wealthy. Buying real property (land and buildings) is very difficult and extraordinarily expensive. Access to credit is very limited. Most importantly as mentioned before educational opportunities are scarce relative to the population.

The laggards TZ can never WIN and has it ever won against kenya in anything - even high school games. Kenya generally is in top 1-5 of any serious index of progress in sub-sahara africa - while Tanzania is always in bottom 5 of any such index - this despite TZ being twice kenya, having four times arable land, lot more people, lots of minerals & natural gas, united & stable one-party system, name it.

TZ will always remain a country of lazy, dull, un-imaginative people mired by poverty, witchcraft and petty jealousy against Kenya. While by default Kenya is a progressive nation (with likes of Ghana, Rwanda, South Africa, Mauritus, Botswana & Namibia) - Tanzania is always almost with likes of Nigeria, DRC & Ethiopia(not anymore) - as Africa laggards - nation though incredibly blessed with natural resources remain retrogressive.

But while Nigeria have plethora of reasonable excuses why they are backwater - military dictatorship,civil war, religious & tribal conflict - the same case can explain Ethiopia backwardness - DRC has it's never ending bush wars - what reasonable EXCUSE does TANZANIA have?

WHY IS TANZANIA SUCH A POOR AND RETROGRESSIVE COUNTRY? Kindly explain to us - it's not war, it not dictatorship, it not tribal or religious conflict!

The answer every kenyan who has interracted with TZ is simple. TZ are LAZY witchcraft loving primitive people who would rather gossip than work.

According to their gov - 71% of TZ can be described as Lazy.

http://www.tzbusinessnews.com/71-of-tanzanians-lazy/
Recent research conducted by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) has found 71% of Tanzanians spend most of their time doing unproductive activity adding no value to their lives and the nation.

The Minister for Policy, Parliamentary Affairs, Labour, Employment and Youth in the Prime Minister’s Office, Ms. Jenista Mhagama announced the findings when launching the research report in Dar es Salaam on Thursday, 14 April 2016.

Kazikazi:
I think Kenya is almost a winner in this battle.I am waiting for Tanzania vs Kenya. The whole Africa will know why the headquarters of East Africa is in Arusha Tanzania not Kenya.

Kenya of course pursue it's self-interest. It not in our interest to army rebels of any nature - because nothing stop other countries from similarly arming rebels against us. Apertheid was never won through armed conflict. It was ended with cold war. Countries like TZ for example contributed to cold war by aligning with China and Rusia - we remained friendly to both Russia and Western world - and of course to British/Commonwealth because it made sense - self-interest wise.

boostdom:
I am not Kenyan, in case you were wondering.

My question to him was a rope-a-dope. I wanted him to clarify, in his opinion, if the supposed non-aligned movement by Kenya was altruistic or just opportunistic.

There are many ways to support a cause - kenya supported anti-apertheid in many ways - but refuse to host armed ANC rebels - and that is true for South Africa or close home in East Africa - we hosted refugees, provide safe havens for their leadership and their families - but simply draw the line when it come to the extend such assistance can be extended.For a long time kenya modeled himself - as Africa swiss - with strict non-interference in internal affairs of a soverign country except through UN or AU - and I hope we remain the same -- going to Somali and getting stuck there sound to me like a mistake already - thankfully the invasion was re-hatted into AMISON force.

sasol:
Its a fact that Kenya have been a puppet of Whites since time memorial. They didn't care for the suffering of their African brothers.Just imagine the atrocities the white minority placed to the blacks in south Africa.But Kenya choose to fold their hands.The non aligned movement wasn't designed to make nations passive during during genocides or any autocratic rule like the apartheid.The non aligned notion was supported by countries like cuba,India,Zambia,Tanzania and so forth.but these nation weren't passive on apartheid.
So if I may ask,which non aligned movement did Kenya belong to?Its shockingly autrageous for kenyans to even mentioning it,considering the behavior portrayed by your leadership during apartheid south Africa.

Define actively helping. Did kenya send armed forces or arms or allowed SWAPO to have rebel camp in Kenya. 1964 - Jomo kenyatta had more serious issues to deal with - than think about Namibia some thousand miles away.

TayserMahiri:
You are the one trivializing the issue with politically correct narratives. KEnya was actively helping Namibia as early as 1964 during the SWAPO days before quickly realizing how little Southern African nations were willing to go into an armed struggle and from then on decided to let people do their thing in their own preferred style.

I think you're trivializing Kenya non-interference policy. Kenya had the same policy for Zimbwabwe, Namibia, and South Africa - still under white minority rule - like it's had for Uganda or Ethiopia or Sudan - that had their own internal issues. You could come to Nairobi live or work - but gov was NEVER going to finance or host rebels - Yes weapons could be allowed to pass Kenya border - to Rwanda or Sudan or Uganda - but that as as much as it went.

Tanzania and Ethiopia had exact opposite ideology - and supported rebels & causes all over the map - and eventually found themselves entangled in a messy affair in uganda.

Kenya non-interference policy was the reason why we largely avoided conflict traps that many African countries soon found themselves entangled in all over Africa - and that policy ought to be upheld.

TayserMahiri:
When you come from a country where you used armed insurrection and war to gain independence you would find it hard to understand what help South Africans needed when they werent already actively fighting. The last person you would convince that SA needed significant help was Jomo Kenyatta. Kenyans simply assumed South Africans werent the warring types and would proceed on with their peaceful marches like the rest of the peaceful march movements across Africa (like Tanzania) till they got independence, which actually happened, though of course very late. Thats not to say we never helped the South Africans in their times of need. The Kenyan govt was made up of left leaning anti-apartheid ministers like Dr Munyua Waiyaki and right leaning nutjobs who believed in people helping themselves first before being helped like Charles Njonjo. Needless to say, the left leaning types were a minority who couldnt convince the majority what was there to help when South Africans werent even in the bush fighting in the first place. In the apartheid days, all Kenyan passports had a stamp that allowed holders to visit every country in the world except South Africa. We always had a coldish relationship with SA right from apartheid days until very recently.

Every country has it's own issues. Why should we make your Apertheid our issue. We had our own white minority colonial rule. We dealt with it. Some countries have way more serious issues than Apertheid. Somali have a serious clan issue that has decimated their country the last 30yrs.

sasol:
Don't mention south African past history of apartheid if you couldn't join us.Zambians helped so as Tanzania's under Mwalimu Nyerere.we thank them.We will remain bonded and support the country like Tanzania for the sacrifices made for thina.umuntu ngu....

Actually Kenya will overtake South Africa - not only within you lifetime - but in one generation - if the current status quo hold. South Africa has found itself in the classic middle-class trap - and if that wasn't bad enough - it has serious unresolved racial issues - land/mining/inequality - that if not handled carefully might see the repeat of Zimbwabwe.

As we speak now - Kenya GDP is about 90B (89.5B) while South Africa is around (377B)- Kenya is growing at an average of 6% - South Africa are now doing something close to 0-1% (they'd be happy not have a recession) - and I don't see those dynamics changing soon.

If we look back a generation ago (15yrs) -2013 - South Africa GDP was 175B - and Kenya was 16B. In those 15yrs Kenya has grown roughly around 6% - and it's GDP has grown 6 times!!!!!!! South Africa has about doubled.

Now project into the future...15yrs from now...Kenya GDP will be 550B...with South Africa around 750B. That is the realistic case scenarios based on the last 15yrs for both countries.

The worst case scenario is South Africa continues to mismanage it'r racial matrix - and it exploded Zimbwabwe style - and that is already happening - when land reforms are yet to start.

sasol:
It will take almost 40 years for poor nations like Kenya to reach were South Africa is today provided we sit in our laps doing nothing.

You should have helped yourself first. After end of Apertheid - the white Boers companies simply overrun Tanzania and now you're the slaves of the Boers. When they tried Kenya - they "found" it a hard nut to crack - because we really never blocked boers from coming here and doing their bizness.

Help yourselves first. Now you host the 3rd largest poor people - 20M plus - in Africa - after Nigeria & DRC - and nobody is helping you.

Our foreign policy has remained non-aligned. We are too poor to shoulder responsibilities that likes of US, UK, China and such countries ought to take individually - but we will support UN, AU and such multilateral agencies.

We oppose Apartheid - and that is the far we could do - the same way we refuse to get into Uganda or Sudan or Somali or Ethiopia - or even Tanzania - we simply refuse to host rebels or assist any group militarily outside the UN/AU.

Kazikazi:
What you are saying is the ANC was just the rebels? So Tanzania didn't suffer at all because of hosting ANC and PAC? Didn't we spend our little resources we had for helping the people whom the world and you Kenyans abandoned in their time of need? Now you just want to sound wise?

Nairobi was to position itself as Yuan exchange & settlement center - but Chinese are still also capitve to the dollar.

mtisTheQubit:
There was a segment on al-Arabia (Saudi KBC) calling US’s bluff. It was a shocker

How did Tanzania suffer Apartheid? How does hosting South Africa rebels make you suffer? Kenya opposed apartheid and that is far we could help South Africans. Kenya long made a choice - to always remain non-aligned arbiter- whatever the conflict - be it in Uganda or Sudan or Ethiopia or TZ or Somalia or even further south or north or west.

Don't ever expect Kenya to host rebels of any country however lofty their fights. We will oppose Apertheid, Isreal occupation of Palestine, conflicts in other countries - but kenyan soils will never ground to plan or launch attacks of any country.I think Ocalan the Turkish Kurdish leader discovered that too late - when Kenya handed his arse to the Turkey.

If ANC or whoever requested Kenya to host it's military wing - the answer will still be a BIG NO. If they want peace-keepers or want to hold peace conferences or want to be hosted as un-armed refugees we will be there - and Nairob will be ready to host both the parties. In Nairobi - they will meet, dine and live together - as long as they are not armed.

In Kenya - China and US will both find a friend. North Korea and South Korea will be happy to have their embassies down here. Palestine will dine with Isrealis. The Boers will meet their ANC counterparts here and have their brai.

Our proud foreign policy simply refuses to box itself to other people conflicts - be they cold war - Russia versus US - or China versus US now - or Nigeria versus Cameroon or Biafra or Rwanda or name any - we have no INTEREST. We are proud members of The Non-Aligned Movement.

Kazikazi:
I am glad that you mentioned Zambia and Tanzania.We have suffered together trying to end the apartheid when other nations like Kenya just looked like zombies.A friend in need is a friend indeed.I rest my case.

It will be a gradual process but I see the Yuan eventually getting a huge slice of the forex reserves. Right now dollars is down to about 62% of the forex basket - and Yuan is barely 1% - it really upto Chinese to start allowing for more tradeable yuan - and they will get a slice.

But what exactly is this all about?

mtisTheQubit:
Fact 1: the US main export is the dollar

Fact 2: The Russians have said they are in process of de-dollarizing their economy i.e. cutting all ties to the U.S dollar. (By the end of this year) coz of weapomization of sanctions by the U.S

Fact 3: China is dumping their U.S treasuries as we speak..

Fact 4: The Saudis have threaten to dump their U.S treasuries as a result of Jamal Khashoggi saga. Even threaten to have a new PetrolYuan instead of Petrodollar

Fact 5: Things are about to take a drastic turn in world affairs. Am hoping Africa will not remain nugatory as usual

You nailed it. That was a low blow. Winnie Mandela remains a true heroine of South Africa - the same way Mandela is a hero.

Lionessza6:
The bolded is an understatement .

What husband did she cheat on ?. You mean the dude who was spared death sentence and was given life in prison without the possibility of parole ? Would he have waited for her ?. What use was he to her and her children?. Mandela was not sentenced to 27 years , he was to die in prison , so she had no man to cheat on. She was a young woman with needs. Was it not her that kept his name alive , holding rallies, press conferences etc ?. This is when his own comrades had forgotten about him. So yes she was damn loyal , not only to him but her country. She never left Soweto to live amongst the rich and famous , she died living with the people she loved and served . If that is not loyalty , I don't know what is.

Who would she be without the Mandela name? She would be Nomzamo Winnie Zanyiwe Madikizela . Did the books you read also tell you that she was a medical social worker ? Did they also tell you that Mandela was a broke lawyer with no regular salary , she fed him and his children with her salary ? .I bet those details were conveniently forgotten by the so called authors . Yes , she was hardworking, she fed other community members with her money , she built clinics for them , she bailed them out from jail etc.

Burning what people? Did your author provide proof of these so called murders she committed? What were the names of the " victims " ? . If she did commit these acts she was accused of , who would blame her ?. There are people who deserved necklacing then just like now. It sounds cold , but it's the truth. Not one damn person who was at the forefront of the South African struggle came out with clean hands , forget the fairytales you read from the west , where certain individuals are painted as saints while others like her the wicked witches . Did other comrades not assassinate others in those camps in Zambia and Tanzania ? Why is she the main target of Western hatred ?. That is because she never conformed. White people around the world hate her guts , not because they feel for the people she " killed " , no , it's because she never changed her stance, she stayed true to what she was till her death, that is why they need to tarnish her name, she still haunts them from the grave. Her name, Castro, Ghaddafi , Mugabe will always give the those with weak DNA nightmares, from Washington, to Jerusalem and London . Mention her name they will turn pink with anger and start singing " evil" . They hate what they can't control. When you are always targeted you surround yourself with people who will have your back , that's what she did with the so called gangs you are talking about.

Mombasa-Malaba is more than 1000kms. I think building a railway is not an end to itself - it should make transport faster and cheaper - and in Kenya's operational section - it's already doing that - and we are on the 8th year projection in year 1- running more than 8 cargo trains - doing two trips each - and 4 passenger trains - at about half the cost. We are also seeing similar benefit in Mombasa port - which surely now only trails Durbain in efficiency.

forgiveness:
If Nigeria is able to build 1402 km( four thousand four hundred and two kilometres) standard gauge railway from Lagos to Calabar with just $12b, which is about 3 times the length of Nairobi - Malabar, why should Kenya use $8b to build ordinary 490 km standard gauge railway from Nairobi to Malabar?

Nigeria's 1402 km is three × 490km of Kenya's standard gauge railway yet it is just $2b lesser.

Who is building at a lower cost? Use your brain and answer the question.


Is Kenya's Mombasa- Malabar completed? See hypocrite. You built Mombasa-Nairobi and now you're doing Nairobi- Navash. Is that not partial too? Hypocrite.

Kenya is still building in segments. D Same way Nigeria is too. Though one segment has been completed like Kenya did with Nairobi-Mombasa, and the other segment will be operational in December.

Meanwhile, we have completed the Itakpe - Ajaokuta- Warri section. You are here boasting about Kenya.

For your information, Abuja is 6m plus if the metropolitan is included.

Can you please list the aspects? Don't just open ya mouth anyhow without giving verifiable facts.

Let me try to make some sense out of this rant. Kenya SGR is outright success. Close to Kenya - you got Ethiopia to compare us with - Ethiopia built a electrified (albeit 2nd class rail) but their trains are stalling mid-way and they are still doing one train from Adis to Djibouti. Kenya we are well onto the 12-14 trains (both passengers) - each doing a round trip. In one year - our SGR has already reached 5yrs projections.

thebosstrevor:
Nothing in Kenya was built by Kenyans even the SGR was built by the Chinese, who drives the SGR- Chinese, lol!

The hype of the SGR in Kenya is just too much, something not built by the Kenyans and cost almost $3.6 billion, which the govt is regretting is till today. even the technology was not given to Kenyans,no single Kenyan engineers worked on the project,The Chinese still maintain the system, it is funny that some of the Chinese after training the Kenyans and giving them uniform told the trainees that, "now you can wear those clothes and not be a monkey again" the Kenyans couldn't do anything.

The sgr for Kenyans is awesome but for most developed countries, it is old school, hahahaa

The Kenyans also have inferiority complex before the chines, whites and sometimes Indians, they can lick their butt and in Kenya, an uneducated white man can rule 1000 educated black Kenyans and they will be alright and smiling.

the only interesting thing about Kenya is that they have a developing tourist industry than Nigeria anyway that is where they get their revenue for to fund their national budget other than that the country is just another shithole in Donald trump voice.

All those pictures of Kenya being beautiful with nice skylines are just pictures worked on by professional with good photographing and photoshop skills to attract tourist. with that editing skill, you can turn Kibera into a paradise. anybody that knows Kibera in Nairobi knows that Kibera is the largest slum in Nairobi and the largest urban slum in Africa. pls, even in Nigeria we dont have slums in our capital city.

Absa Africa Financial Markets Index - Kenya overtake South Africa in "access to foreign exchange" and 3rd overally behind South Africa & Bostwana. Nigeria is fifth. Tanzania don't worry about them - they are always almost in the last category in any serious positive index or first in any negative index.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/capital/4259442-4818054-12uv6dd/index.html

LNG to sell to who? Uganda . You see if it wasn't for your short-sight all-consuming hatred against Kenya - you'd be making money from selling your LNG to Kenya...but never mind...we will simply skip you and import directly from Mozambique.

Kazikazi:
Mind you; Ethiopia and Tanzania are the fastest growing economies in East africa.FYI once we complete our gas LNG plant;Tanzania will be growing at about 15% per annum.we wil be like singapore.swallow that.

Nyerere destroyed Tanzania economy by adopting socialism; the same way Mao of China did or Haile Selasie & Megistu did. In his wake he left a completely bankrupt country he really had no option but step down.If he didn't he would have been kicked out like Haile Selasie.

Kenyatta opted for free-enterprise - and gave kenya a solid foundation it now has. Nyerere also largely contributed to collapse of EAC by his wars with Amin & Kenyatta.

But yes he did discourage tribalism and united Tanzania. We are yet to see how far united they are - because like your country Ethiopia - there is really no democracy there.

So sorry I really don't see how Nyerere succeeded where
1) He did not set the country on a democratic foundation - CCM the ruling party - still ran the show in TZ and opposition really has no chance in hell of ever beating CCM social/economic machine.

2) He destroyed the nascent TZ economy.Subsequently TZ leaders have tried to correct the disastrous economic policies with measured success.

Kenyan leaders are not heavy on ideologies ; but more on common-sensical approach that advance our interest.

ednited:
Where do you get that from? I have heard many people talk about Julius Nyrere, none of them complained on his leadership. He was known for unity. . . He is one of the African leader who had the same vision with Emperor Haileselassie and Jomo Kenyatta

KQ owns nearly half of your Precision Air - with 9 planes - and wholly own Jambo Jet - which now fly as far as Uganda Entebbee - another 7 plans - your dead on arrival airline has 4 planes - and will not make any profit this century. Airline industry is not for jokers. KQ is crawling back to profitability - and will be soaring again soon.

Kazikazi:
Dont bring false information here.Most of ur planes are under a lease.You dont have 40 planes.This was discussed here in previous pages.FYI Kenya airways is a loss making scheme.So in real sense you dont have an airline per se.Proud for nothing.kenya suprisses me; You got leased planes..brought them to kenya..then ooops, they r making a loss! ...then u brags.Again u got a loaned SGR,built in kenya..then ooops, its making a loss...then u brags! That is ur modus operandi.A bunch of fools

Most importantly he is responsible for the misguided Ujamaa policy that makes Tanzania one of poorest countries in the world and largely responsible for the collapse of East Africa. Nyerere legacy lives on...and Tanzania remain dull, laggard, lazy and primitive.

Kazikazi:
Mmmh..He was a man of intergrity.He hated tribalism and corruption to the core..He stepped down voluntarily.He was the son of a chief..and when in power he abolished chiefdoms in Tanzania.He was a catholic.Got his education in Makerere university and later on He got masters in Uk..He was a teacher..etc.etc

Only in your dreams.

Kazikazi:
Tanzania.Dar es salaam is the largest city in East africa.

Nominal GDP(In USD) is the "only" accurate way to compare economies otherwise how can you give equal weight to Danganyika horrible good and services with Kenya. For example how can you compare your horrible educaton with Kenya? PPP is only useful for comparing year-on-year growth for stuff like poverty estimation!

Kazikazi:
Mr kiberan;a country's economy is not measured on GDP alone.Do u know Tanzanias PPP is 176bn while kenya is 175? Do u know a GDP is not giving a more accurate picture of a nation's economy? A GDP is an old way of measuring an economy.a PPP is much more accurate.Thats why we are ahead of you.FYI kenya has oil, soda ash;coal;geothermal,alot of youthful population;etc.these are resouces.Stop pretending as if u have no resources.

I really pity you Danganyikas - in your life time I don't see you coming close to Kenya. In 2005 - you were really close - you economy was 17B - Kenya was 19B - but alas! in 2018 - Kenya economy is nearly 90B - and yours is 55B - nearly half of Kenya --- the gap is not reducing - it's widening. Kenya have made very many smart decisions that are now starting to bring in the dividends irrespective of whatever happens - our long term investment in high quality education, family planning, investment in infrastructure and governance are starting to pay off in a way that it's impossible for Tanzania to ever catch up.

Kenya economy in 2022/2023 (about 4yrs from now) - will be about 150B dollars - I bet above Angola & Morroco. We will be competing with 4 nations then - Algeria,Nigeria,South Africa & Egypt. And all this we will do without MINERALS or OIL

Tanzania economy then will be struggling to hit where kenya right now is 80-90B (half of Kenya economy then) - despite all the coal, natural gas, diamonds and gold!!!!!!!!

Simply put Kenya is on a different level!!!!!!!! right now in sub-sahara kenya really compete with South Africa & Nigeria (only because of Oil & it's population) but long term the big boys in SSA will be South Africa & Kenya.

Kazikazi:
Just ask yourself why do u have flying toilets while Tz dont have? With the so called skills and capital why do u have the highest unemployed youth in east africa? With your so called skills but SGR is being built by china! Friend: know this..kenya is overrated.there is nothing to show for your so called skills.Your a third world nation;starving and with millions of poor,extreme poor people.You hear me kiberan?

Poor Ethiopia already 2-nil. The goalkeeper is MIA.

Kur17:
Kenya vs Ethiopia

As Safaricom ranked Best Company to work in Africa - as World Bank - describes Kenya as Africa best in human capital outcomes
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/10/14/world-bank-ranks-kenya-as-africas-best-on-human-capital-outcomes_c1834524